Jul 28, 2021 11:01 AM
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Shaodyn
"I never thought my Europeans would have to leave Britain forever," sobs man who proudly voted for Europeans Leaving Britain Forever.
TheHorseShesElbowDeepIn
The idiot tax can be surprisingly high.
catrov
The E.U. delayed as long as possible before they took irreversible steps, to give Britain a chance to come to its senses.
admiralawesome4213
US here. I'm laughing at all the rich folk in the Hamptons freaking out cuz no one wants to work for nothing/be treated like crap by a 1/2
buncha rich Karen's who think they're better, and cant get Visa workers cuz covid travel is limiting. time to learn the word no Karen! :^)
OrC23
aww, did someone get addicted to foreign labor?
TheSmallTennisRaquetUsedToStunFlies
Source? Would love to send to a mate
https://mobile.twitter.com/bylinetv/status/1418213425260294156
ADegenFromUpcountry
'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs man who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.
Turbolibros
somethingsomethingwittyhere
Gary Oldman screaming EVERYONE.gif
phuzz00
v
Contundo
there you go
PizzaStation
Well, well, well... If it isn't the consequences of my own actions.
gigawalrus
Oh no, if only literally everyone hadn’t told you this shit would happen.
ScottishRoss
No no it's just Project Fear. Fucking dumbasses.
CaptainHyperbole
He’s a fucking adult. H should have taken the time to look into what brexit would do.
jessiewesson
Lorry drivers haven't left lol
Deepfriedsoldier
This^ There are a ton of drivers around. Companies are refusing to pay them a fair wage so the old change career and the young dont sign up.
OmenJones
torp
"So you say that I should have thought that leaving EU meant cancelling every benefit i had from EU ? Who could see that coming ?"
robsprocket
Did Brexit cause Covid now? Maybe they left because clubs have been closed for almost a year? Pay a better wage employees will come...simple
Seethreepeeoh
And his latex sex arses are stuck in Calais
SergiousMaximus
French border agents are "inspecting" them while taking bets on which dingy is going to make it across the Channel.
ThanosTheGreat
Dingy. Now there’s a word I hadn’t heard in a long time.
NomDeImguerre
Because the border inspection on the UK side severely underestimated and was woefully underprepared for Brexit, and still is. EU's fine, tho
CaptainMCMLVIII
Tough tits.
phridoo
WhatUpDog3000
Can't he get a do-over?
mikeymikec
One of my customers acted similarly: they had EU customers, yet voted Brexit without thinking for a second about the consequences.
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
Friend's employer has stopped shipping to the UK because the profit isn't worth the hassle with customs for them.
dasklaus
I only ship within the EU, too. Many small web shops do. I don't want to figure this shit out for one or two customers a year.
InsanityCrab
Voted for the "We will kick you in the dick daily" guys and is surprised his willy is sore. It was meant for other willys! The bus said!
StontiumJaguar
Yeah but now the NHS is funded right? …right guys? Guys?
<leave.eu has left the chat>
duoplicity
LaBix
Almost as though being in the EU was a requisite of having a .EU domain name. Who knew?
apelofmyeye
Farages money dad and massive cunt bubble.
TouretteBadger
Cunt bubble. Isn't that just a queef?
SpoilsburyToastMan
Not quite: it's a queef when "the decorators are in", while a cheesy cunt bubble is a queef after a creampie.
Curii
On lorries: you mean that companies are now having to pay their lorry drivers a cecent wage, instead of suppressing by hiring EE drivers?
DespiseEveryone
Same with the bar staff. He is just upset he has to pay higher wages now.
Exactly! Funny thing is when it's said in the US it's fine and upstanding, when it's the UK it's seen as a negative.
mormacil
Only part of the issue, the other issue is the number of drivers available and how they can deliver less with longer wait times at borders.
I know Manchester should be behind a border, but I don't think there is actually one... yet.
There borders, just not hard borders. Still a lot of paperwork between the EU and the UK at the moment. Waiting times for that cut into 1/2
the shift hours of drivers. These days making sure they can't drive another trip once it clears. 2/2
But if the shipment is coming from abroad then it wouldn't be UK driver carrying it...
tirohtar
*Rant time*- the UK was always going to Brexit sooner or later since noone in the UK ever really wanted to accept what the EU is 1/?
The EU is not just a free trade zone. Or a defense union. Or a free movement area. It's all those things and more. 2/?
It's a first step towards forming a "United States of Europe". That was what it was designed for by its founders. That is still what 3/?
Many of us in the "core" nations (Germany, France, Italy, BeNeLux) still hope for, even though our politicians have given up it seems. 4/?
howmanyusernamesdoineedtotry
The 1973 vote to join the EU was sold as only closer economic ties. Exactly why de Gaulle said Non, twice I believe.
I was a federalist but UK will not be rejoining EU for at least another 20 years. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
The UK entered purely to get benefits, and to sabotage any progress towards democratization and further unification. They never had 5/?
Any of their major parties stand for the ideal of EU unification - even the anti-Brexit campaigners mostly focused on the benefits. And 6/?
ilovethisdog
This is beautiful .... "the bus"
PapaUbu
Brit here, and this is just perfect ?
whhy
Rest in power
AnonOmis1000
What was the actual conversation about?
MrNopengoal
Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDiB4rtp1qw
I think he tried to wash dishes in the ocean
JustAFlamingoInDisguise
He was told to bury something and then dig them up later as they were needed but the tide was in or something right?
I speak Spanish, I have no ifuckendea what he's saying
Basically he can't get minimum wage staff anymore, because the only ppl who'd do it we're Eastern Europeans. So pay them more.
Plus importing eg Belgian lager, or French wine is more expensive, and the economy's fucked so everyone has less money to spend.
bippityboppitybuttsex
it is almost like his business model cannot survive in the free market. Weird.
SinfulSerpent
This. He just wants migrant workers he can exploit with starvation wages. Now instead of paying a living wage, he'll blame Brexit.
MonsieurBon
Living wage is the minimum wage. UK has a decent living wage. You don't get to choose lower than the minimum wage????
Not forgetting he's clearly as thick as 2 short planks. Imagine voting for less EU immigrants while employing EU immigrants.
I've zero sympathy.
mathmosis
If only someone could have warned him, before he voted...
Pseudomenos
Wasn't "what is the EU?" the most frequent google search the day after the Brexit vote?
DeeDoubleYu
I'm from the UK, the smugness of the people who voted for Brexit after the vote is burned into my memory. It's rare for there to be an
Argument about it now, whenever it comes up they're silent. And I passive aggressively raise my eyebrows and go check on the nice bee in
The garden, I dunno where his hive is but he's very busy.
Raxiel
"But that was just project fear!"
uououououo
"We'll never have shortages!" - Some idiot to me who lives in a part of the UK that had shortages before Brexit due to simple bad weather...
Good thing is that I'm barely affected by this, though. I'm used to buying 3 months or so of supplies. Just in case.
Youhavinagiraffe
To be fair it was very hard to even find any real information about Brexit before the vote. Cameron prevented the civil service...
...from publishing or conducting economic analysis because he thought that would make it seem more feasible. He assumed that people would...
...default to fear of the unknown and vote against change. And all the stuff by independent economists was buried under propaganda and...
...promises from people who weren't in government and would have no responsibility to follow through or repurcussions for failing
ProfessorVanDiggenSagg
I don't know, maybe if there were some key things you could google before you vote.
LyraTheLycan
Pretty hilarious, but Brexit wasn't finalized until February 2020. We had four years to change our minds
The graph displays the date of the referendum. The fact that those 4 years went down the gutter without at least some amendment makes it sad
Never seen the analytics by region before. Scotland continues to be the least disappointing part of the UK, I guess.
Yofwals
Not saying Scotland isn't great but you realize Scotland is included in that analytic along with the rest of the uk right?
Aye, I do. Hence 'Least disappointing'. Still disappointed they're even so high.
Fair enough
Antisha
I am curious how British feel about Brexit, on average. Anyone?
I can honestly say I've not had any second thoughts. It is and was a Fucking stupid idea sold on lies.
escalinci
A lot of people who voted remain strongly believe because it was voted for it needed to be done. But a deluge of illegal ads gets forgotten.
Hengabecka
I don't know a single person socially or professionally who thinks it's a good idea. So there must be a lot of stupid fuckers out there.
PhobianDarkmoon
All of my friends and acquaintances voted Remain, but I work in a skilled sector and went to University so not all that representative.
You're asking a bunch of American nuts who only post about their country collapsing. Then they know UK politics.
I haven't met any leavers, but I'm in London & in a social work programme so my circle tends to be more... open-minded
baltec1
Many of us are getting multiple pay rises, the first in a decade.
steelinsea
Lol why would anyone admit on imgur to thinking to thinking Brexit was a good idea? You just get dog piled.
JamJarre
It's the same any time I advocate the health benefits of punching myself in the nuts. People can't handle the truth
There's an underlying tension about it now, I voted remain and when it comes up the leave voters are silent. They know it was a mistake.
Dravit
The problem is it's hard to tell as it all happened in the midst of an unprecedented pandemic which would've had a significant effect anyway
We'll only really know how it plays out down the line, the pandemic's in the rear-view and other alliances come to the fore.
Food industry here. Shit had already hit the fan before C19. I'm sure others in other industries probably have similar stories
FantaBanta
Demographics were pretty clear; old and ill-educated were skewed toward leave, young and better-educated towards remain. Suspect still true.
Got it in one.
Same as Americans feel about Trump, 1/3 hate it, 1/3 love it, 1/3 doesn't give a shit
TheArrestingAbhorrentArrantAbominableAlliterator
Which means 2/3 are dumb...
As I said, same as Americans
TheMagnificentSpud
I voted Leave and am happy with it. Remainers will always, always hate it because they represent an elite who - for once - didn't win.
CiaraQuinn
The elite, lol.
PaleAsFuck
So you are ok with having to pay more for stuff that are imported into the country? And not as easily travel to other countries.
SuperUpvote
So what is it about brown people that you don't like?
LarvaLamp
When did "elite" come to mean "regular people"?
Regular people - forgotten working class people - generally voted leave. Big banks/corporations wanted us to remain
NogtheNog
Do you honestly look at the fucks that sold Brexit - Dominic Cummings, Gove, BoJo, Rees-Mogg et al and not see the "Elite"?
When JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs - the same sorts of companies Imgur *hate* tell you to Remain, surely they're the voice of the elite?
No one would argue that Goldman Sachs are champions of the working class. I'm saying normal people v "elite" doesn't map to leave v remain
Either way round - people on both sides of the debate cover a massive spectrum of socio-economic backgrounds
I guess what I'm saying is that the 'elite', if you define it by big banks, celebrities, most tories etc, all backed remain. It was a 1/
EpilatorAlligatorBothReduceGrowth
It depends where they live and what they do. Some still persists in a fantasy about sovereignty while gulping “I didn’t want YOU to feel
/2 unwelcome”, while they frown at the brown skinned person next door. I live in the south and it is super frustrating how many upper-middle
/3 class live in this insane Tory selfish bubble of “we’ll be fine, we have a deal with Australia where work migrants now can be up to 35”
/4 cause it just doesn’t occur to them that for the majority of the population it’s a loss of options. Fuck you, got mine, from a privileged
/5 place.
Most polls show a fairly even split, tilted more towards Remain now I think. The problem is that it's become a totemic issue
It shifted that way long before the end, that's why they refused to have a second referendum, they knew it wouldn't go the way they wanted
Less about the actual facts and more about seeing "your side" win. It's fine that businesses are suffering and shelves are empty
So long as it makes the Remoaners unhappy. The people who voted for this are being disproportionately affected by it and yet they love it
amandajohnson78365
Sounds like American MAGA
Sonicschilidogs
Conservatism is the same everywhere
Remain tracked young and educated though so online you'll be hard pressed to find many Leavers. But they exist in their millions still
The government has done a good job using C19 as an excuse to cover Brexit damage and also in weaving it into the standard "anti-woke" story
giraffinator
At least he realises and admits it was not a good idea. Many still have their head in the sand
SP4RT4N360
Nah, many know full well it’s been a fucking disaster, they’re just too stubborn to ever admit they were wrong, they’ll die on that hill.
BrotherEstapol
Yeah, that's them having their heads in the sand...
Nah, head in the sand implies they can’t see what’s happening, they can see it, they simply don’t care. They hold their stubborn heads high.
NoNameFred
As I've been downvoted for saying before: it's because they didn't get a vote in '92, so have always grumbled about being forced INTO the EU
SirenBrick
They were also majority vote and veto holders. Nothing could get through without UK approval, which somehow annoyed the Torries?
They didn't stop to look at all of the options this time because they spent almost 30 years complaining about not getting a choice last time
Nobody forced them to do anything. They joined the EEC in 1973, and the electorate approved renegotiated conditions in a 1975 referendum
One of the promises for the 1975 referendum was that the EEC wouldn't become a "European Union" without another vote. In 1992, there wasn't.
So, yeah. They got a moment of "we only voted for the last thing, because we were assured that this thing wouldn't happen without asking us"
Thing is it suffered from scope creep into something that wasn't ever asked for or voted on. I think what the EU WAS was good, but what it's
becoming is not. There will be short-term pain but empires come and go - the countries carry on and adapt.
The 1975 question was simple: “Should the UK stay in the Common Market?” Who promised that there would be another referendum? The Tories?
It was widely accepted at the time that the vote would be politically binding on all future Westminster Parliaments.
Shaodyn
"I never thought my Europeans would have to leave Britain forever," sobs man who proudly voted for Europeans Leaving Britain Forever.
TheHorseShesElbowDeepIn
The idiot tax can be surprisingly high.
catrov
The E.U. delayed as long as possible before they took irreversible steps, to give Britain a chance to come to its senses.
admiralawesome4213
US here. I'm laughing at all the rich folk in the Hamptons freaking out cuz no one wants to work for nothing/be treated like crap by a 1/2
admiralawesome4213
buncha rich Karen's who think they're better, and cant get Visa workers cuz covid travel is limiting. time to learn the word no Karen! :^)
OrC23
aww, did someone get addicted to foreign labor?
TheSmallTennisRaquetUsedToStunFlies
Source? Would love to send to a mate
TheSmallTennisRaquetUsedToStunFlies
https://mobile.twitter.com/bylinetv/status/1418213425260294156
ADegenFromUpcountry
'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs man who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.
Turbolibros
somethingsomethingwittyhere
Gary Oldman screaming EVERYONE.gif
phuzz00
Contundo
PizzaStation
Well, well, well... If it isn't the consequences of my own actions.
gigawalrus
Oh no, if only literally everyone hadn’t told you this shit would happen.
ScottishRoss
No no it's just Project Fear. Fucking dumbasses.
CaptainHyperbole
He’s a fucking adult. H should have taken the time to look into what brexit would do.
jessiewesson
Lorry drivers haven't left lol
Deepfriedsoldier
This^ There are a ton of drivers around. Companies are refusing to pay them a fair wage so the old change career and the young dont sign up.
OmenJones
torp
"So you say that I should have thought that leaving EU meant cancelling every benefit i had from EU ? Who could see that coming ?"
robsprocket
Did Brexit cause Covid now? Maybe they left because clubs have been closed for almost a year? Pay a better wage employees will come...simple
Seethreepeeoh
And his latex sex arses are stuck in Calais
SergiousMaximus
French border agents are "inspecting" them while taking bets on which dingy is going to make it across the Channel.
ThanosTheGreat
Dingy. Now there’s a word I hadn’t heard in a long time.
NomDeImguerre
Because the border inspection on the UK side severely underestimated and was woefully underprepared for Brexit, and still is. EU's fine, tho
CaptainMCMLVIII
Tough tits.
phridoo
WhatUpDog3000
Can't he get a do-over?
mikeymikec
One of my customers acted similarly: they had EU customers, yet voted Brexit without thinking for a second about the consequences.
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
Friend's employer has stopped shipping to the UK because the profit isn't worth the hassle with customs for them.
dasklaus
I only ship within the EU, too. Many small web shops do. I don't want to figure this shit out for one or two customers a year.
InsanityCrab
Voted for the "We will kick you in the dick daily" guys and is surprised his willy is sore. It was meant for other willys! The bus said!
StontiumJaguar
Yeah but now the NHS is funded right? …right guys? Guys?
mikeymikec
<leave.eu has left the chat>
duoplicity
LaBix
Almost as though being in the EU was a requisite of having a .EU domain name. Who knew?
apelofmyeye
Farages money dad and massive cunt bubble.
TouretteBadger
Cunt bubble. Isn't that just a queef?
SpoilsburyToastMan
Not quite: it's a queef when "the decorators are in", while a cheesy cunt bubble is a queef after a creampie.
Curii
On lorries: you mean that companies are now having to pay their lorry drivers a cecent wage, instead of suppressing by hiring EE drivers?
DespiseEveryone
Same with the bar staff. He is just upset he has to pay higher wages now.
Curii
Exactly! Funny thing is when it's said in the US it's fine and upstanding, when it's the UK it's seen as a negative.
mormacil
Only part of the issue, the other issue is the number of drivers available and how they can deliver less with longer wait times at borders.
Curii
I know Manchester should be behind a border, but I don't think there is actually one... yet.
mormacil
There borders, just not hard borders. Still a lot of paperwork between the EU and the UK at the moment. Waiting times for that cut into 1/2
mormacil
the shift hours of drivers. These days making sure they can't drive another trip once it clears. 2/2
Curii
But if the shipment is coming from abroad then it wouldn't be UK driver carrying it...
tirohtar
*Rant time*- the UK was always going to Brexit sooner or later since noone in the UK ever really wanted to accept what the EU is 1/?
tirohtar
The EU is not just a free trade zone. Or a defense union. Or a free movement area. It's all those things and more. 2/?
tirohtar
It's a first step towards forming a "United States of Europe". That was what it was designed for by its founders. That is still what 3/?
tirohtar
Many of us in the "core" nations (Germany, France, Italy, BeNeLux) still hope for, even though our politicians have given up it seems. 4/?
howmanyusernamesdoineedtotry
The 1973 vote to join the EU was sold as only closer economic ties. Exactly why de Gaulle said Non, twice I believe.
howmanyusernamesdoineedtotry
I was a federalist but UK will not be rejoining EU for at least another 20 years. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
tirohtar
The UK entered purely to get benefits, and to sabotage any progress towards democratization and further unification. They never had 5/?
tirohtar
Any of their major parties stand for the ideal of EU unification - even the anti-Brexit campaigners mostly focused on the benefits. And 6/?
duoplicity
ilovethisdog
Seethreepeeoh
This is beautiful .... "the bus"
PapaUbu
Brit here, and this is just perfect ?
whhy
Rest in power
AnonOmis1000
What was the actual conversation about?
MrNopengoal
Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDiB4rtp1qw
whhy
I think he tried to wash dishes in the ocean
JustAFlamingoInDisguise
He was told to bury something and then dig them up later as they were needed but the tide was in or something right?
whhy
I speak Spanish, I have no ifuckendea what he's saying
TheSmallTennisRaquetUsedToStunFlies
Basically he can't get minimum wage staff anymore, because the only ppl who'd do it we're Eastern Europeans. So pay them more.
phuzz00
Plus importing eg Belgian lager, or French wine is more expensive, and the economy's fucked so everyone has less money to spend.
bippityboppitybuttsex
it is almost like his business model cannot survive in the free market. Weird.
SinfulSerpent
This. He just wants migrant workers he can exploit with starvation wages. Now instead of paying a living wage, he'll blame Brexit.
MonsieurBon
Living wage is the minimum wage. UK has a decent living wage. You don't get to choose lower than the minimum wage????
TheSmallTennisRaquetUsedToStunFlies
Not forgetting he's clearly as thick as 2 short planks. Imagine voting for less EU immigrants while employing EU immigrants.
TheSmallTennisRaquetUsedToStunFlies
I've zero sympathy.
mathmosis
If only someone could have warned him, before he voted...
Pseudomenos
Wasn't "what is the EU?" the most frequent google search the day after the Brexit vote?
DeeDoubleYu
I'm from the UK, the smugness of the people who voted for Brexit after the vote is burned into my memory. It's rare for there to be an
DeeDoubleYu
Argument about it now, whenever it comes up they're silent. And I passive aggressively raise my eyebrows and go check on the nice bee in
DeeDoubleYu
The garden, I dunno where his hive is but he's very busy.
Raxiel
"But that was just project fear!"
uououououo
"We'll never have shortages!" - Some idiot to me who lives in a part of the UK that had shortages before Brexit due to simple bad weather...
uououououo
Good thing is that I'm barely affected by this, though. I'm used to buying 3 months or so of supplies. Just in case.
Youhavinagiraffe
To be fair it was very hard to even find any real information about Brexit before the vote. Cameron prevented the civil service...
Youhavinagiraffe
...from publishing or conducting economic analysis because he thought that would make it seem more feasible. He assumed that people would...
Youhavinagiraffe
...default to fear of the unknown and vote against change. And all the stuff by independent economists was buried under propaganda and...
Youhavinagiraffe
...promises from people who weren't in government and would have no responsibility to follow through or repurcussions for failing
ProfessorVanDiggenSagg
I don't know, maybe if there were some key things you could google before you vote.
LyraTheLycan
Pretty hilarious, but Brexit wasn't finalized until February 2020. We had four years to change our minds
ProfessorVanDiggenSagg
The graph displays the date of the referendum. The fact that those 4 years went down the gutter without at least some amendment makes it sad
uououououo
Never seen the analytics by region before. Scotland continues to be the least disappointing part of the UK, I guess.
Yofwals
Not saying Scotland isn't great but you realize Scotland is included in that analytic along with the rest of the uk right?
uououououo
Aye, I do. Hence 'Least disappointing'. Still disappointed they're even so high.
Yofwals
Fair enough
Antisha
I am curious how British feel about Brexit, on average. Anyone?
Raxiel
I can honestly say I've not had any second thoughts. It is and was a Fucking stupid idea sold on lies.
escalinci
A lot of people who voted remain strongly believe because it was voted for it needed to be done. But a deluge of illegal ads gets forgotten.
Hengabecka
I don't know a single person socially or professionally who thinks it's a good idea. So there must be a lot of stupid fuckers out there.
PhobianDarkmoon
All of my friends and acquaintances voted Remain, but I work in a skilled sector and went to University so not all that representative.
MonsieurBon
You're asking a bunch of American nuts who only post about their country collapsing. Then they know UK politics.
phridoo
I haven't met any leavers, but I'm in London & in a social work programme so my circle tends to be more... open-minded
baltec1
Many of us are getting multiple pay rises, the first in a decade.
steelinsea
Lol why would anyone admit on imgur to thinking to thinking Brexit was a good idea? You just get dog piled.
JamJarre
It's the same any time I advocate the health benefits of punching myself in the nuts. People can't handle the truth
DeeDoubleYu
There's an underlying tension about it now, I voted remain and when it comes up the leave voters are silent. They know it was a mistake.
Dravit
The problem is it's hard to tell as it all happened in the midst of an unprecedented pandemic which would've had a significant effect anyway
Dravit
We'll only really know how it plays out down the line, the pandemic's in the rear-view and other alliances come to the fore.
JamJarre
Food industry here. Shit had already hit the fan before C19. I'm sure others in other industries probably have similar stories
FantaBanta
Demographics were pretty clear; old and ill-educated were skewed toward leave, young and better-educated towards remain. Suspect still true.
ADegenFromUpcountry
Got it in one.
mormacil
Same as Americans feel about Trump, 1/3 hate it, 1/3 love it, 1/3 doesn't give a shit
TheArrestingAbhorrentArrantAbominableAlliterator
Which means 2/3 are dumb...
mormacil
As I said, same as Americans
TheMagnificentSpud
I voted Leave and am happy with it. Remainers will always, always hate it because they represent an elite who - for once - didn't win.
CiaraQuinn
The elite, lol.
PaleAsFuck
So you are ok with having to pay more for stuff that are imported into the country? And not as easily travel to other countries.
SuperUpvote
So what is it about brown people that you don't like?
LarvaLamp
When did "elite" come to mean "regular people"?
TheMagnificentSpud
Regular people - forgotten working class people - generally voted leave. Big banks/corporations wanted us to remain
NogtheNog
Do you honestly look at the fucks that sold Brexit - Dominic Cummings, Gove, BoJo, Rees-Mogg et al and not see the "Elite"?
TheMagnificentSpud
When JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs - the same sorts of companies Imgur *hate* tell you to Remain, surely they're the voice of the elite?
NogtheNog
No one would argue that Goldman Sachs are champions of the working class. I'm saying normal people v "elite" doesn't map to leave v remain
NogtheNog
Either way round - people on both sides of the debate cover a massive spectrum of socio-economic backgrounds
TheMagnificentSpud
I guess what I'm saying is that the 'elite', if you define it by big banks, celebrities, most tories etc, all backed remain. It was a 1/
EpilatorAlligatorBothReduceGrowth
It depends where they live and what they do. Some still persists in a fantasy about sovereignty while gulping “I didn’t want YOU to feel
EpilatorAlligatorBothReduceGrowth
/2 unwelcome”, while they frown at the brown skinned person next door. I live in the south and it is super frustrating how many upper-middle
EpilatorAlligatorBothReduceGrowth
/3 class live in this insane Tory selfish bubble of “we’ll be fine, we have a deal with Australia where work migrants now can be up to 35”
EpilatorAlligatorBothReduceGrowth
/4 cause it just doesn’t occur to them that for the majority of the population it’s a loss of options. Fuck you, got mine, from a privileged
EpilatorAlligatorBothReduceGrowth
/5 place.
JamJarre
Most polls show a fairly even split, tilted more towards Remain now I think. The problem is that it's become a totemic issue
Raxiel
It shifted that way long before the end, that's why they refused to have a second referendum, they knew it wouldn't go the way they wanted
JamJarre
Less about the actual facts and more about seeing "your side" win. It's fine that businesses are suffering and shelves are empty
JamJarre
So long as it makes the Remoaners unhappy. The people who voted for this are being disproportionately affected by it and yet they love it
amandajohnson78365
Sounds like American MAGA
Sonicschilidogs
Conservatism is the same everywhere
JamJarre
Remain tracked young and educated though so online you'll be hard pressed to find many Leavers. But they exist in their millions still
JamJarre
The government has done a good job using C19 as an excuse to cover Brexit damage and also in weaving it into the standard "anti-woke" story
giraffinator
At least he realises and admits it was not a good idea. Many still have their head in the sand
SP4RT4N360
Nah, many know full well it’s been a fucking disaster, they’re just too stubborn to ever admit they were wrong, they’ll die on that hill.
BrotherEstapol
Yeah, that's them having their heads in the sand...
SP4RT4N360
Nah, head in the sand implies they can’t see what’s happening, they can see it, they simply don’t care. They hold their stubborn heads high.
NoNameFred
As I've been downvoted for saying before: it's because they didn't get a vote in '92, so have always grumbled about being forced INTO the EU
SirenBrick
They were also majority vote and veto holders. Nothing could get through without UK approval, which somehow annoyed the Torries?
NoNameFred
They didn't stop to look at all of the options this time because they spent almost 30 years complaining about not getting a choice last time
ADegenFromUpcountry
Nobody forced them to do anything. They joined the EEC in 1973, and the electorate approved renegotiated conditions in a 1975 referendum
NoNameFred
One of the promises for the 1975 referendum was that the EEC wouldn't become a "European Union" without another vote. In 1992, there wasn't.
NoNameFred
So, yeah. They got a moment of "we only voted for the last thing, because we were assured that this thing wouldn't happen without asking us"
Dravit
Thing is it suffered from scope creep into something that wasn't ever asked for or voted on. I think what the EU WAS was good, but what it's
Dravit
becoming is not. There will be short-term pain but empires come and go - the countries carry on and adapt.
ADegenFromUpcountry
The 1975 question was simple: “Should the UK stay in the Common Market?” Who promised that there would be another referendum? The Tories?
ADegenFromUpcountry
It was widely accepted at the time that the vote would be politically binding on all future Westminster Parliaments.