John Cleese

Jul 11, 2017 9:54 PM

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WHITE TEXT HERE BLACK TEXT HERE WHERE A POINT IS MADE ORANGE TEXT HERE WHERE ANOTHER POINT IS MADE(thanks hip-looking buzzfeed style!)

9 years ago | Likes 37 Dislikes 7

Ironic that the quote about being offensive is so poorly decorated that it, itself, has become offensive to some. (Myself included!)

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Reminds me of Bill Bailey, when he got told to not mention Nazi gold during a gig for a swiss bank. Guess what he did? Yeah, pretty much.

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

The whole routine with opening a bank account is glorious

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You can actually be offended without wanting to deny the person“s right to offend you. Just saying.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

He's right and I agree. But also lots of fuckholes use this argument to justify their hate speech. So, there's that.

9 years ago | Likes 41 Dislikes 13

They have the right to be hateful jackasses, and everyone else has the right to criticize their bullshit and avoid them.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The people warning him about university campuses are blowing it out of proportion. The problem is not on every campus.

9 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 9

But it's responsible for actual riots on a few of them.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

If you say something just to offend people, you're and asshole

9 years ago | Likes 37 Dislikes 20

i disagree. i have no control over how you choose to react. if you choose to get offended, it's because you choose to get offended

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 8

You're and asshole

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 8

Just to be clear: John Cleese is very much on the left and is very very classy, unlike many randos who are going to use this argument

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

All comedy is critical yes but good comedy "punches up" while bad/lazy comedy "punches down"

9 years ago | Likes 42 Dislikes 24

Good comedy doesn't give a shit and just punches everything.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I think sometimes people confuse "not wanting your feelings hurt" with "not wanting racist/sexist/etc. comments directed at them"

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 11

Or maybe they do and you're the one that cant tell the difference? Clearly that is not what Cleese is talking about, youre making a strawman

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 6

Mmm no i don't think so. The "snowflake" and "safe space" comments are directed at people who aren't just sensitive, they're tired of 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

truly offensive comments while having the hear the far-right complain that everything's "too PC these days" 2/2

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The world is too pc these days, and Im definitely not right wing. I just hate all the race/sex baiting used in order to justify shitty -

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

opinions. Sure the far right will say the same thing but they're not wrong, even if they are racist. fuck the regressive left

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It's funny how you so rarely see a woman or a POC defending that. Maybe it's easy to say you shouldn't get offended when it's not about you.

9 years ago | Likes 66 Dislikes 41

Ten bucks says MayraV is at least white, if not male, and guaranteed upper middle class

9 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 9

While I wouldn't QUITE agree with your first statement, your second statement, I think a lot of people should learn from

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 6

Out of the people I know, the most vocal about hating pc culture are women, because they know they cant be labeled, and people will listen.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

TIL I have a penis.

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 4

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9 years ago (deleted Mar 2, 2020 7:52 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

And what consequences do you find fair? Getting someone fired? Taking their livelihood? Stalking and violent threats?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I have seen plenty of both woman and POC defend that. What's actually funny is how people like you discount any datapoint -- women and POC

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 6

who disagree with you -- and then claim based on your erasure of their existence that they therefore do not exist.

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 4

Dont forget that when a woman says these things theyre "doing it for attention" and when a black man says it "uncle tom". Theres no winning

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

"They" -- whoever they are -- are fast to claim women/POC will lie about anything, that rapes, abuse, violence will be lied about, when it

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

does not suit their narrative. It's quite incredible.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

God bless John cleese. May his work make us laugh for years to come!

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Next time somebody feels unconfortable at a gay person im going to show them this

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 6

It's aimed more at those who try to censor with the excuse of offense than at people who are set in their traditionalist ways.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

"Don't you dare to challenge my beliefs with your gay agenda", sounds about the same

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There are still people who believe in the "gay agenda"? How myopic, mainstream "lgbt culture" was co-opted by cultural Marxists years ago!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Do you realise this piece would promote that uncomfortable someone to not hold back on being a dickbag to that gay person?

9 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 6

Yes, I thought that was the joke of the gallery; it's so general it applies to everything and nothing at the same time

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

None of Monty Python is controversial because they even told us Brian isn't the messiah he's a very naughty boy!

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

Oooohhhh no he isn't!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I'd like to register a complaint about this parrot, wot I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.

9 years ago | Likes 139 Dislikes 3

This parrot is no more, he has ceased to be

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

He is pushing up the daisies

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

E's shuffled off this mortal coil, and gone to join the bleedin' choir invisible! THIS is an EX-PARROT!

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

How dare you! I'm offended!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

he's just pin'in for the feeyorrrds

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Buddy of mine is a comedian who makes jokes about his suicidal thoughts. Which apparently makes him a horrible person

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 6

And keep in mind, just because someone disagrees with you they're not an idiot or a bad person

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 2

That's hate speech! and I am offended. /s

9 years ago | Likes 50 Dislikes 29

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9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 5

I get it

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

9 years ago | Likes 55 Dislikes 6

Sauce?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

The fugitive.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

There is also a line between not being pc and being an outright hatemonger. People seem to be forgetting that lately.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Okay, but you know when else it's hard to relax and be spontaneous? When you're around someone who randomly says racist or sexist shit.

9 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 17

PC isn't people trying to spoil your fun, it's people complaining that their own fun is being spoiled already.

9 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 14

No, PC is an ideological framework being imposed on people. Its in the name.

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 14

Political correctness can be imposed, but nothing in the same suggests that it has to be

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 4

Fact is that it is being imposed, much of it on the government's dollar.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

*name, not same

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

Bit pedantic?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 10

I just don't understand your last comment, nothing in the name "political correctness" suggests it is imposed

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

No, his argument was fundamental. "Political correctness" has nothing to do with "imposing" anything.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Always upvote John Cleese.

9 years ago | Likes 230 Dislikes 19

You mean R?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I found his show Fawlty Towers on Netflix recently. Such a good watch!

9 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

The best!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Im glad I'm not the only one whose discovered this gem of a show while scrolling through Netflix.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Doot

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I think it can tip the scale either way. Having a sense of humor and knowing when something is a joke is a good thing. Using that idea

9 years ago | Likes 46 Dislikes 8

To say whatever the fuck you want is dick. And sometimes you deserve to be called one.

9 years ago | Likes 47 Dislikes 10

Agreed. Jokes can be as offensive as you like, but they still have to be funny

9 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 4

To be fair, you're not living in 1984, you're living in Brave New World.

9 years ago | Likes 259 Dislikes 16

Idiocracy is the prophecy being fulfilled! Remember that Donald Trump is a WWE Hall of Fame http://www.wwe.com/superstars/donald-trump

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm surprised we don't have Feelies yet, they'd be wildly popular

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Feelie spinners.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Yeah, netflix and porn binging are the Feelies and the meds people take to mute senses are the Soma.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Could be worse... could have been War of the Worlds

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

to the right, to the left

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

we will fight to the death

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

SAO Abridged got me hooked on that song :)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Made me think of Clockwise!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Come now! It's a hybrid of Huxley AND Orwell.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

I have just started reading that book! ????

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

I thought this was Animal Farm.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

A Brave New World in 1984. Current temperature : 451° Farenheit

9 years ago | Likes 66 Dislikes 0

I'd say more Fahrenheit 451 than BNW

9 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 2

... huh. Yeah, you're right.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

And you're totally on the nose, because Fahrenheit 451 is about the natural outcome of voluntary censorship as a result of PC/special intere

9 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 2

They do both contain a shit ton of drugs and big screens

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Honestly, we're in some sort of strange hybrid that few people imagined

9 years ago | Likes 105 Dislikes 1

Everything is doublespeak and fake news and "speech is violence" but we're too content with iPhones and Marvel movies to care.

9 years ago | Likes 51 Dislikes 0

And Big Brother is def watching.

9 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 0

Except the government didn't do all of it, we did a lot of it to ourselves.

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Reminds me of Fahrenheit 451, where it's not that there's oppression or a dictatorship, but the population just doesn't care at all.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Brave New 84

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Mighty Number 9

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I want my damn Soma then

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Ambien, Oxy, Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft...

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

A gram is better than a damn.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Get some back ache and get prescribed some Oxycodone

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Remember kids, he's talking about COMEDY.

9 years ago | Likes 152 Dislikes 21

There's a huge difference between what I'd say on stage as an entertainer and what I'd say to a person on the street.

9 years ago | Likes 71 Dislikes 6

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9 years ago (deleted Jul 12, 2017 2:22 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Comedy is contextual

9 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 2

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9 years ago (deleted Jul 15, 2017 5:16 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

You're a special kind of stupid.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He literally just specified it's okay to be offensive and use humor, but it's not cool to go and be an offensive dick.

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 4

Yes it is.What is offensive is 100% subjective. Or should we ban same-sex couples because bigots are disgusted by it?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 6

You'll upvote John Cleese but downvote people with similar opinions. I don't get Imgur lol

9 years ago | Likes 32 Dislikes 14

It's not the opinions themselves we're upvoting/downvoting, it's whether or not people are being dicks about them.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 5

His opinion is very popular on imgur. "My right to be racist/homophobic/a jerk" is common. I support free speech but you rarely...

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

...hear anyone with anything nice or meaningful to say talking it up. Comedians like him are as close as you get. Usually it's just dicks.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

He's been in a movie=>actor=>liberal=>okay

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 21

instant labelling and tribalism

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 17

Context is important though. If someone uses a racist or homophobic slur, for example, you have every right to be offended. 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 62 Dislikes 12

you can choose to be offended by whatever you want.

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 9

Minorities sometimes use slurs themselves in an endearment sort of way (like the n-word is okay between blacks), so, is that wrong too?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 6

you have the right to be offended by whatever you want.they have the right to say whatever bigoted drivel comes out of their brain. freedom.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

Sure, but you call them a racist, they're still a racist. You silence them, they're still a racist. You let the speak and maybe they 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 4

will over time come to see the errors in logic that don't add up on their end. Asking them to speak will usually be more useful than silence

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

I hope more people think like this. If you want to change people's ideas you have to listen to them first, not agree, but just listen.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Sadly, I don't think this will be the case. We're entering a pwnage and outrage culture which is counter to this. Oh well already at 0 votes

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Being "anti PC culture" does not give you an excuse to be a douche without repercussions.

9 years ago | Likes 43 Dislikes 8

I think the point is that you have a right to be offended, but not to expect that nobody should say anything that offends you

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

"political correctness" and "tact" are two separate things. Tact is enforced socially, not politically.

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 3

What sort of punishment would you suggest for someone who has been found guilty of racist/homophobic speech?

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 4

I *hope* other people express disapproval, but absolutely no legal retribution.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Well, if they're being racist in my venue, I'm going to remove them from my venue. That's a pretty fair punishment for being an asshole.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

What if I'm jokingly calling my friend a faggot?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

If your friend is ok with it then I guess? When I was younger I kept company with people who might say that. Now I do better.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Like

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 3

If you're in public, I'd advise you don't do it too loud. In private, it is up to your friend whether or not they take offense.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"Don't mention the war!"

9 years ago | Likes 1491 Dislikes 9

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9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

We have meat here in zee building!!!

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

Are we meeting here to eat meat? ;)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

2 World Wars, 1 World Cup

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

Do dah, do dah...

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

"Que?"

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^don't mind him, he's from Barcelona

9 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

"I'm sorry, when you said 'prawn' I thought you said 'war!'l

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

We welcome your war, your wall, you all...

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Do you fuck with the war?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

thank you for this

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

HUH! WAR! What is it good for?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Absolutely nothin'...

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Say it again.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

WAR! HUH! Good god! . . . What is it good for?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Good God, you all.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

EVERYONE WAS ON VACATION!!!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

There is no war in Ba Sing Se.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Unless you brought it with you

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That trigger never changes.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

The one in Syria?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Wait which one... I thought we were at war with Eurasia, not Eastasia!

9 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 5

Whoosh

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 8

We have always been at war with Eastasia.

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

Chocolate rations have increased!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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But we didn't start it. Yes you did! You invaded Poland!

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"poland started it by refusing to carve out large portion of their costal lands and give it up for germany" - germans

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"Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to." - Polish Marshal Rydz-Smigly August 6th, 1939

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

It was a war that in many ways started due to ww1 deals. sadly enough.. so many dead..

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Reported by the daily mail back then. Quite interesting that somehow ppl also forget the presecution of germans in poland/germany after ww1.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

For those who don“t know this is 2nd hand of state in poland and issued a month before invasion of poland began.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

9 years ago | Likes 82 Dislikes 2

Is that a Alto Wine?

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiasco_(bottle) Pretty much, same bottle design.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

"That's a bingo!"

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 1

B-I-N-G-O , B-I-N-G-O , B-I-N-G-O...

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

"You'll be shot for this!"

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

from Germany, Friend from England showed this Show and this exact Episode to me recently, I love it so much!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Which show is it?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Fawlty Towers. Watch it. It's one of the greatest british comedy shows ever made.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

One of the most british british comedy shows ever made

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The sign changed in every episode though. My favorite- "Farty Towels"

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My favourite: Watery Fowls

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I think comedians need to stop being so sensitive about people thinking they're offensive.

9 years ago | Likes 80 Dislikes 30

sounds good till they try to get you shut down or shut up. Just because they are wrong doesn't offer enough protection from them.

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 13

I've seen way more people bitching about the triggered phenomenon than actually being as sensitive as portrayed here

9 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 12

>/too sensitive about thoughts/ Fair enough. Are they also too sensitive when its demands, shutdowns, smear campaigns, bald-faced slander?

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

Well they have to say something . Didn't people try to label Daniel tosh as pro-rape because he made an overly sarcastic remark?

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 6

Yeah but CherryEmpress doesnt see the point, mainly because they're part of the pc problem most likely.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 7

Oh, yeah, how unfair. ā€œWouldn’t it be funny if that girl got raped by, like, five guys right now? Like right now?ā€

9 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 7

You know you can say things without seriously meaning them, right? Like jokes? Also, she was a heckler - it was supposed to hurt her.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

That was his "overly sarcastic remark", about a person who had heckled him.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 5

Tosh's humor is crude. If you went to his show it's pretty obvious he would never condone rape. I get humor is subjective and that lady 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

didn't find his remark funny. But idk how you conclude he's pro-rape.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It's fair to be labeled as a racist if you say racist things, it's fair to be labeled as pro rape if you say pro rape things

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Well, to be fair, he and the audience member had different recollections of what he'd said. His wasn't as aggressive.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

So he politely said ā€œWouldn’t it be funny if that girl got raped by, like, five guys right now? Like right now?ā€, then

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

No, it was something like "that girl was probably raped by five guys or something", which is far less threatening (though shitty and dumb).

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The "offended" are making big noise. "man spreading" and "man splaining" are real world examples of repercussions to their inanity.Comedians

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 8

Just happen to get a huge backlash from it because of the nature of their job. Anthony Jeselnik lost his show and contract over it.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 7

I think commenters need to stop being sensitive about comedians being sensitive about people thinking they're offensive.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

One should also keep in mind, don't be a dick.

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That's fine, cuz dick's fuck assholes

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Sometimes someone needs to be a dick. Be that guy. Say what needs to be said. Voice a differing (or dissenting) opinion.

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 5

There's a difference between being pointlessly malicious and stating facts or opinions that people might not agree with.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There's a difference between feeling offended and being the target of malicious behavior, too.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Voice a different opinion, but don't be a dick in doing so. No one's going to take you seriously if you're actively trying to be offensive.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My point is just saying something different is sometimes (often) perceived as being a dick, due to the homogeneous nature of most groups

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My point is just saying something different is sometimes (often) perceived as being a dick, due to the homogeneous nature of most groups

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

See also: "Punching Down"

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Exactly. When you keep running into people who are "too sensitive" the odds are they aren't "sensitive" at all; you're just being a dick.

9 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 10

And if you keep running into people who you label "dicks" it may be that you're just too sensitive.

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To be fair, there are a lot of dicks in the world and some folks are gonna have the misfortune of living in a high dick density area.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

but everyone has the freedom to be a dick. Im sure some people get pissed at me kissing my bf. But not gonna stop because they get offended

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

And they have the freedom to call you out on it. Point is, they don't have to deal with your shit just because of your "freedom".

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's time and place. People have the right to live free of harassment, but frank conversations should be frank as well

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 4

Amen!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Its worth noting that harassment is ongoing bad behaviour by one person to another. Lots of people sending a single disagreement is not.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

To be fair, lots of people continually giving one person shit is also harassment.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Well yeah, its multiple instances of harassment.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

No, you can totally be a dick. That's the point of comedy, he says.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 3

Being a dick on the Internet has given me upvotes in the past.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

Because why? You sound like the bigus dickus?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

You can be a dick, just don't go shoving it down people's throats.

9 years ago | Likes 67 Dislikes 4

*without consent

9 years ago | Likes 39 Dislikes 1

Niiiiice

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

be a dick. fling your words however you want. just understand that same freedom applies to the many people who will not like you. that is

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

the freedom i stand for.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

"But I'll defend your right to say it" isn't conditional. What you DON'T is impose. That goes for occupying platforms/channels you don't own

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Should we allow ISIS preachers to have platforms? Should someone be allowed to talk about how we should round up and deport Jews? No limit?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

We don't decide who allows them. We respond to who does. Advertisers in particular crucify them. But twitter youtube et are privately owned.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah, a lot of people use this argument as license to be a dick. Reminder that emotional responses are more or less involuntary and that 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 50 Dislikes 19

if you abuse someone and they get pissed and tell you to not do that they're not "losing control of their emotions" and you're an asshole.

9 years ago | Likes 43 Dislikes 16

Emotional responses are more or less involuntary but any self-aware individual will tell you that what you do w them is completely voluntary

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 3

Of course, but that doesn't mean that it's not alright to ask someone to not be a complete arse.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

True. I'm just saying that someone's initial reaction to abuse isn't their fault and no one should feel guilty just for feeling something.

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 7

sometimes it's just a fine line. i've stepped over it even with close friends.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

As a dick, I'm offended

9 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 1

You seem more like a Bicarbonate Ostylezene Benzoate to me

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

The censorship of the left is no better than the censorship of the right.

9 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 19

You are right. And this should apply to both equally. Christians offended by gays are no better than getting offended about planet of the -

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

apes somehow being racist.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Wait, what?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This guy on twitter who is a voice for blm criticized the movie saying it was racist, and 1 ape wearing a blue vest was clearly meant to be-

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Him. Because he also wears blue vests I guess? Idk look it up if you're interested. Pretty dumb

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Right or Left, this is sound advice.

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Yeah, but right now, it's mostly the left.

9 years ago | Likes 37 Dislikes 18

It's pretty much only ever been the right.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Also, look at the journalists who regularly get death threats from Trump supporters upset that they critique Trump?

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 5

Or the guy that was threatened to be doxed by CNN for making a fucking meme.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I think it's just newer on the left, and the things they cry about are newer and therefore stranger. Microaggression v. "War on Christmas"

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 4

There's also various belief in a war-on-religion. Article with related facts; http://goo.gl/JqDDB5

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Except the left has institutional power.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 5

A majority of the big blowouts you see are the students trying to get administrators, the power, fired for not conceeding to thier bullshit.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

LOL. As if. Remember when conservatives threw a shitstorm because a d-level athlete didn't stand for the anthem?

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 15

Don't forget conservatives throwing a shitstorm because a black man got elected President. Twice.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 9

This post is about speech. Conservatives opposed Obama's policies, not his speech. Don't be daft.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

They opposed literally everything about him, including his speech some of the time.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

It is, but in the past the right got offended so much. Christians getting offended when god is on tv, or in a movie etc.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 13

We don't get offended about that... :/ that would be the Muslims who get super pissed when their prophet is portrayed.

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 2

Well youre simply wrong. In the past the right wing were the ones constantly getting triggered. That's just fact

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Also bringing muslims into it have nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I'm talking about americans

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

I feel pretty offended you didn't mention up or down!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The world is not divided into right and left.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 7

The developed world leans mostly left. The US has an unusually large pocket of right.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

The world is not divided into right and left.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 4

I'm offended.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

there is no right or left.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 40

Are you also a flat earther?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

i tried to say: forget sides. what john cleese says is good for everyone to think. why does it have to be in right or left?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well then what is it?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

i tried to say: forget sides. what john cleese says is good for everyone to think. why does it have to be in right or left?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

But also notice, it's not advising to just go around being an asshole.

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True story. Its called having respect. Alas, some people can't see past their own noses and take things like this post literally.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

In other words, you have the right to free speech, so does the everyone have right to call you an asshole for it

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There is a gap between saying "you are an asshole, I wont give you money" and "this person should be silenced by the government or violence"

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There is a difference in criticism and pure insult. "This steak is so rare that it goes moo" and "Learn to cook f-ing retard"

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

There's a difference between being called an asshole and being told you are not allowed to say something.

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Asshole = Offended you or not PC correct enough? I don't know I agree you guys are on message with him.

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What I mean is free speech is a sword that cuts both ways. If someone offends you you don't have the right to curtail his right is saying(1)

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But have the right to offend him back.(2)

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

This. I'll admit I make asshole jokes, but I do it with my friends, not with strangers.

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Everybody is my friend.

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It's wholly unobjectionable. What's objectionable is when people use this argument to deflect criticism, which is so ironic it hurts.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Gotta look both ways before crossing the street

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Right and left, this is sound advice

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This, too, is sound advice. Also when at a railroad crossing.

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No im entitled and have the right of way - lady in black that was jay walking that i almost ran over last week at night

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This happened to me the other night. I was shaking the rest of the way home at the thought of almost killing someone

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Not your fault someone was being stupid. Just leave a darwin award at their funeral and move on.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Victim blaming!!

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Heh. Poe's law.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I literally could not see her until she was like 50 feet in front of me. At least jay walk in front of a street light so i could see you.

9 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 3

Or, you know, WEAR BRIGHT CLOTHES

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

If you suggest I should lock my door when I leave home, you may as well be Hitler.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

Lets be honest, this is referring to the left (though I am right wing, I loathe the backwards, bigoted, scientifically illiterate right)

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Economist here. There really isn't much to defend about the right though. Supply side economics has been entirely debunked with the advent

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Of big data. There might be some social reasons to support the right but I'm not seeing them.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

The funny thing is you might be called a Racist Nazi Homophobe for what was, a decade ago, a very left opinion.

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You think the 90s were "a decade ago"? Which very left opinions are you thinking?

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Highly debatable.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 9

Okay, firstly anything is highly debatable. But out of interest sake what are you suggesting are debatable?

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Most people would not have called leftists nazis in the 2000s, especially considering that the cold war had just ended in like the 80s-90s.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

I'm not saying that though. I'm saying holding views which were liberal in the '90s are now considered Alt-right views. Because of 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

"Okay, firstly anything is highly debatable." No it's not.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Oh really? Ever seen flat earthers go on about the world not being round? That's a debate my friend. Whether their POV sucks is irrelevant.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Good advice, but not nearly as prevalent as he believes. We had Stephen Lynch perform at my school for God's sakes

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 6

Meanwhile, Milo's Dangerous Faggot tour happened and had problems with people trying to shut it down.

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I can't IMAGINE why the guy who says gay people shouldn't have rights got shut down

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 7

Don't think you know who Milo is.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Never said that you liar.

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Some of his opinions are noxious and I am suspicious of whether he means them or just wants to provoke. But either way he has rights.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

As do people who can choose to deny him a speaking venue

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Because he's a pedo and his tour has a literal slur in it? Didn't he also call for the death of Middle Easterners after the orlando shooting

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No. If he's a pedo, then George Takei is a super pedo.

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Man complains about gay guy using gay slur against himself; Man is a member of community that uses same slur as a term of endearment.

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Because he's a shock jock who took his act on the road and openly espouses obviously evil viewpoints because it pisses people off.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 8

The point is he was met with "Shut It Down" instead of people just letting it be or peacefully protesting outside.

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So? Not everyone deserves a venue. Should ISIS and KKK preachers be allowed to give lectures too?

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There were peaceful protests for 'shut it down'. Then some dickholes ruined it. Then the college security staff canceled for safety reasons.

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On the professional provacateur, spot on. On the "obviously evil", you clearly never actually listened to what he had to say.

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Also, there's that tiny issue with him literally defending pedophilia and talking about wanting to fuck a kid. He's scum.

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Oh, and he works for Breitbart. No one with any form of journalistic credibility works there.

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He defends the Catholic church for its pedophilia and tried to start a witchunt against a brown journalist because he misunderstood her

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Yes I have. And I sorely wish I hadn't.

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