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Feb 21, 2017 5:57 AM
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FutureHylian
As much as i disagree wit GameTheories video, most if not all these facts are total bullshit
Bardoctor
quecuntu
I just came straight to the comments to say it's all bullshit...was not disappointed.
varvaSasen
Absolute bullshit
BayazTheBenevolent
Alternative Feudal Facts
SergeantSalsa
How is it possible that every word having "ie" in it has the letters in wrong order?
ThereAreSomeWhoCallMeeeTim
Ecxept.
6angel
What exactly is "nearly 95% of casualties" ?? Is is 94%? Or 80%? Or maybe even 12%?
Inkliest
Hoplites generally took fewer casualties in the fight than when they retreated, but that was another time. Somehow this person is stating
Inkliest
that sides take little casualties AND battles were one sided massacres.
captainhindsightguy
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/3uqvuq/this_imgur_post_makes_a_lot_of_surprising_claims/ you should all read this.
PookyButt
The idea of a knight walking through a hail of arrows is awesome, I don't want to know if it's false I want to like in my world
Earan
I've heard the experiences of French Knights in Agincourt and Crecy be described as like "Walking through a hail of tennis balls being 1/2
Earan
launched at you. Or like paintball". Stopping the charge and killing horses but not people. 2/2
Attaroo
Oh look. People upvoting ignorance. Again.
Dedeurmetdebaard
Posting a potato at the end of a long post is a 9gag tradition. Just be aware of what you're upvoting people.
AuroraNora33
So annoying how all the images are stitched together. Makes zooming on mobile absolute hell
sbury
Saracen arrows can't pierce steel beams
owlest
I think most arrows cant pierce steel beams
JoeInJapan
Load of nonsense. These are not true.
Alozar
Originally this was posted seriously. I wonder if it's reposted as a joke yet.
trumpypumpyinyourrumpy
I cant read these awesome facts
criablelurst
Should have stayed in school.
Yzarul
Another fact: Grammar was not widely taught in the Middle Ages
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
You'd think that was still the case
itsnotthatbad21
moricai
Did you know a lot of these are bullshit?
GapingAnalCavity
People can't differentiate between the Francs and Normans. tsk tsk tsk.
rockdoctor
Ecxept #1
rockdoctor
Shit, forgot which one had that typo, meant #3. Chain mail is cool as shit, though.
TheFallenTwo
Yeah unfortunately it struggles to do anything against arrows though
KckUNjUbR6GMwpnD
Anyone interested in this stuff should watch Lindybeige's YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQZqbGME5HY
Magicannon
This. Informative, entertaining, and in more layman's terms. I wouldn't call him an expert, but at least it feels like he invites discussion
xheroth
Lindybeige is the shit
JesseSlayer
Just don't ask him about spandaus...
GodOfTheBumbleBees
Eh, he has good stuff but also quite a bit of bullshit.
aplatypusisjustaduckbeaver
If chain was as good as you claim, why was plate invented? It came after after all.
Earan
The popularity of plate vs mail was at least partially due to plague casualties making unskilled labour more expensive IIRC
aplatypusisjustaduckbeaver
Okay no that just seems wrong. Shaping steel plates is not easier than making shirts of small rings. Less time consuming maybe.
aplatypusisjustaduckbeaver
But a full set of plate will take a dedicated blacksmith months to produce and requires shaping, fitting and reshaping to allow max mobility
aplatypusisjustaduckbeaver
If 95% of casualties happen in a route, what caused the route? Generally people don't run until they're losing.
aplatypusisjustaduckbeaver
If a bow was as inaccurate as you say, why is used for hunting from pre-history til even now?
aplatypusisjustaduckbeaver
A war bow is 100+lbs of force, you're telling me that people could pull it back multiple times a second to match machine gun fire? 1/2
aplatypusisjustaduckbeaver
Also you JUST said a bow was a terrible personal weapon and inaccurate so how one arrow worth more than a spear? 2/2
aplatypusisjustaduckbeaver
Archers had the biggest back muscles maybe but spears, shields, etc are NOT light and you had to be able to run while carrying them.
MrBananaBeak
Fully half of these are absolute bullshit. "Fire like a machine gun" the fuck does that even mean?
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
*mods skyrim for an 800RPM bow*
deathloop
Katanas can cut thru tanks and now the English Longbow was a machinegun. Now we know. 0_0
MrBananaBeak
WINGS SHARP LIKE KATANA
thedeedsmaster
This. is a joke post
LSAH
These are Alternative facts... Many do not appear to be well researched at all.
itallworksout
DrMooses
It's called drop shadow!
Bardoctor
Zlimeshili
more interesting than the post
iliketrains1990
Bodkin arrow heads were designed to penetrate plate and mail. So the first one is bollocks. Just sayin.
iwannatrytobeinapolyrelationship
Chain mail was literally shit against arrows. In fact it was shit against anything that pierced
Inkliest
Iirc, they even tried hammering the rings flat or wore silk to add extra protection, because chain mail itself wasn't enough.
AgentOrangeJuice
Which is why you wear plate over mail. That's the point of plate.
PerXX
No, they weren't. Though the shape might suggest that, almost all bodkin heads found are made of soft, weak iron, and would bend at impact..
PerXX
..with any decent armour. They were made in that shape, because it was the easiest shape to mass produce.
CyborgScribe
Hmmm. I read they COULD puncture mail and were rare, not mass produced, compared to broadheads which saw everyday hunting use so were common
PerXX
Almost all arrowheads made with enough care to use quality stelel were Broadheads.
iliketrains1990
Battle of crecy. French armoured cavalry were cut down by English longbows and Boykin arrowheads.
PerXX
Was the Longbow effective? Yes. Would it reliably pierce armour? no. Even at Crecy and Agincourt, the Longbows most famous victories we're..
PerXX
.. still talking 2-300 arrows fired pr casualty, if we (very generously) assume that 70% of casualties were caused by arrow fire.
PerXX
That's assuming that Melee, terrain and execution of prisoners only combined to 30% of casualties.. in Agincourt, execution of prisoners
Jackjak
"bows are used en masse because they're bad." *scrolls* "BOWS ARE AMAZING."
GadenKerensky
Last I heard, it was because it took a long time to train a bowman to be accurate, and they didn't always have that time. Hence Volleys.
deathloop
Have you ever shot a bow? It's not that hard.
Dontrespectmahauthoritah
Try hitting a small moving target from few hundred meters and you'll understand why volleys were a thing.
deathloop
You incorrectly presume that I don't already know that.
NotSari
not just that but you'd have all the shit conditions of a battlefield, adrenaline goin through you possibly and more factors too
Jackjak
Bowmen were well paid and trained from a young age. they were highly skilled.
noiretbleu
Are you trying to support going back to fiefdoms?
JammyKins
It's the only logical conclusion at this point.
deathloop
Why would you post this garbage?
noiretbleu
lol, we basically live in the modern version of that. I hope you're mostly joking cause otherwise you're a massive colossal sack of shit.
liFaustoil
great internet insult. I'd like to personally love to see you use a similar thought process to sully someone's name in the future. 6/?
liFaustoil
Across with that little extra punch that might just rattle a few more bones. You could stop there, but this is the internet so let's 3/?
liFaustoil
"Massive-colossal" is a bit redundant as an insult. Try diversifying by building the statement around a core insult. I'll use "cunt" 1/?
liFaustoil
You cock sucking bastard fuck
liFaustoil
Now add to the base cunt and you can manufacture a slightly more impactful insult with the term "massive cunt". This gets the point 2/?
liFaustoil
find a balance between over exertion and a lifeless empty mockery. Since I doubt you personally know this person let's go a more non 4/?
noiretbleu
you were a bit longwinded but I take your comments to heart. I'll insult better in the future. I promise. :-)
SlyFinkley
That was a bit of a journey and i got this far. +1
liFaustoil
serious route. Nugget fits the bill for me giving us the insult "massive cunt nugget". Both abrasive and impersonal this makes for a 5/?
SuperNintendoChalrmers
Pixels were also much more rare in the Middle Ages.
ucandcantunc
I just scrolled down to see all the pixel jokes
SatansLeftNipple
That is a well known historical fact.
Blewmeister
If you're on mobile save it and then read it in your photos. It's a weird glitch.
FutureHylian
Reposted so much even the watermark is unreadable
RealCaptChicken
captainhindsightguy
Oh this one is back. Have to slap a big *CITATION NEEDED* on this shit.
EccentricNimoy
It's from funsubstance.com it's gotta be real! /s
huanthewolfhound
The Crusader knights walking through a storm of Saracen arrows just seemed off.
drbrisket
I honestly thought it was a joke after the chainmail being impervious thing.
HellaPictureSeeing
(Ei...) instead of 'i.e.' Or maybe I missed something during English class.
HellaPictureSeeing
Er perhaps Ye old 'English class m' neckbeardin lady
TwoVhsCopiesOfGoodfellas
Like the first one "impervious" LOL good luck blocking literally any weapon with chain mail,broken bones galore. Don't need to cut to subdue
EvenSpeedwagon
Thick cloth can turn a sword. You would get a bruise but thats far better than a deep gash in your arm.
EngineerZero
You'd think someone would finally fix the spelling and historical mistakes.
WhatzitTooya
Yeah, by deleting it.
MrPink1
These are alternate facts
hank2247
RatsLiveOnNoEvilStar
Well, it's a good thing a lot are hard to read given the white text on gray-scale images.
Aquilarden
The first one is literally the opposite of the truth. Chain mail was vulnerable to arrows in particular... That's why you wore plate over it
rmiGod
Chainmail was used for a long period of time actually. The answer depends on "when".
Nyoibo83
Maille also does diddly squat against and sort of bludgeoning attack, like a hammer, or even an axe
manystripes
If you're wearing plate over it, what benefit does the chain mail have?
CyborgScribe
Layers are good. Gambeson, chain, plate. Probably pretty warm.
ZeFapmeister
It stops slashing cuts so it would be good at stopping a swing from a sword But not as useful against being stabbed via a lunge or something
xthetenth
Plate joints don't have perfect coverage. Eventually there'd be undergarments with chain just at the joints.
realnowhereman23
I've heard it worked well against slashing attacks. There was a show on the old (read good) history channel about chain mail.
rmiGod
it covers the weak spots in the armour
IsACouchASeat
same reason kevlar vests have metal inserts. The kevlar/chain is good, but is awesome with a bit of help.
InADayOrSo
Kevlar vests have additional armor plates because high powered rifles can blast through them like T-shirts otherwise.
TheFlyingTripleSpinningAtomicScrotumVaporizer
Chainmail actually does quite well against arrows, but isn't "impervious", especially if the arrow is specialized against armor.
Nearlyburly
Actually, due to non standard manufacturing of mail, arrows and bows, there is a huge variance in conditions. Not to mention the definition
Nearlyburly
of what works. If the arrow pricks the skin behind the mail, does that count? How about if it went in only 1/8 inch? At what point is the
Nearlyburly
the mail not working? Even an inch usually isn't lethal, so did the armor work? or is that enough damage to say the arrow penetrated?
michealikruhara0110
Seriously guys, these are not real. These are guesses some jackass presented as fact and now it keeps getting reposted.
PastaPriest
Most of them don't even mention a specific time period.
ekzeko
High and early middle ages usually suffice the geographic area is almost more relevant at times.
1dogsfordays1
Kins, Jammy. Feudal Facts. Retrieved from Imgur on February 21, 2017 at www.imgur.com.
JammyKins
I suppose I should have named it Futile Facts. :)
blackguard89
AS someone who's interested in history. Some of them are true, but others....HAHAHAA FUCKNO!
owlest
which ones are not true?
blackguard89
machine gun longbowmen. I dare anyone to try that with a english longbow. Should be hilarious to watch tho. Also the 95% routing.
owlest
ok that one is obviously retarded
blackguard89
Also somone already posted it to reddit for historians and they explained more in detail
BeRad117
Why do people do this? It's not hard to research these things and then create an image macro. Is advertising "FUNsubstance" more important?
dysonswarm
Or funstance if you will
SecSantaThrowAway
I mean, some of them have some backing, but only a minority, and not even a lot of backing.
PatrikLilja
And many are complete lies.
SecSantaThrowAway
This is also true
OneNutBandit
Especially the one that claims Longview could be firedd like a machine gun. Just no. They had upwards of 100 pound draw weights. Not 1/2
OneNutBandit
firing that like a machine gun. 2/2
OneNutBandit
Longbows*
captainhindsightguy
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/3uqvuq/this_imgur_post_makes_a_lot_of_surprising_claims/
METAAAAAAAAAL
http://imgur.com/7gKWI2z.gif
Paasimus
Some of those debunking claims are pretty ridiculous, like the maille debunk. butted maille never existed before modern replicas.
BasisPoints
I just spent the past hour reading that thread, and the multitude of links therein - thanks for the fascinating material!!
Paasimus
a bunch of these original claims match historical data, like practically no greatswords before 1500's.
Paasimus
Even spears couldn't pierce mail everytime, let alone arrows with a cutting tip. This is why bodkins were invented.
Mavgurian
Should have made this its own comment so we could push it up there.
captainhindsightguy
I have, just figured more people will see it here instead of the deep void of "newest comments"
aethoneagle
This is great
Paasimus
authentic mail was riveted and because the links were sturdy, it required a lot of force to penetrate mail armor.
Letdafunbegin6
Thanks
GwenAintCis
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TheRealJuggernaut
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Paasimus
a bunch of these original claims match historical data, like practically no greatswords before 1500's.
sheanar
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Paasimus
So imma slap *CITATION NEEDED* to those debunking claims too. Make no mistake, some of this posts claims need citations too, but...
Paasimus
So imma slap *CITATION NEEDED* to those debunking claims too. Make no mistake, some of this posts claims need citations too, but...
captainhindsightguy
Hey I hear you. You should check out ThegnThrand. They do a good test with mail. I would link it but my comments keep disappearing
Paasimus
Looked at the channel, pretty amateur stuff, but they seem thorough and fairly critical. This is good advice you have given.
DrMooses
Most of this is bullshit. You can usually tell when someone uses 95% for an unknown figure.
illegalacorn
Well the routing is like the one true thing in this post, soooooo
DapprBadgr
While a lot of losses did occur during routs, 95 percent is not an accurate figure
DrMooses
Possibly, but there's no way you could accurately determine statistics for this.
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
I think "most" rather than 95% would have covered it without looking like nonsense.
tallwkward
Two standard deviations
DrMooses
I'd like to see the math and source of the data. 95% of the time, two sigma is used erroneously.
tallwkward
Did some study in data analysis, it's scary how easy it is for people to make a statistic what they want by changing the population or range
DrMooses
I'm a recent PhD graduate in sciences and I can't tell you enough horror stories about supposedly "good science" that is actually fabricated
tallwkward
It's terrible, some countries based there health policies off research where the scientist cut out countries that didn't fit his hypothesis