I used it yesterday because I couldn’t think of a word and it was driving me crazy. The word was “hubris” but I had structured my sentence so it needed to be an adverb, which is why my brain was refusing to serve up the right word.
I add "-ai" to almost every search I make on any search engine. I forget occasionally, but remember most of the time. I'd like to think I'm helping in some way...but I don't know if it actually disables ai for the search, or just disables me seeing the results that were generated anyway.
I know some people don't like AI, but let me tell you, if you're not even looking at what it's capable of, you're probably going to be sorry at some point in the future. Just saying...
I genuinely hate AI. However, it is exceptionally good at advanced mathematics. Take a snip of the problem, and paste into image search. Google provides a step by step on how to solve. My calc 3 professor has been utterly useless all semester. If I didn't have that tool I'd be failing.
that's kinda hard to believe, unless you have a totally different issue going on, but it's an app just like any other downloaded drink any app store or accessed from it's website like any existing service out there.
I mean its been incredible in giving me recipes for dinner using ingredients I have on hand and then keeps a log for next time. Its been the best cook book ive ever had. It also finds me the lowest price on an item im shopping for in seconds. Saving me a crap ton of time researching that. It even found an item I was looking for in a local yeard sale. Most people dont know how to use it to yield the best answers. Ask it broad, non specific questions and thats the kind of answer you're gonna get
My wife’s family heirloom figurine was broken in an accident, it had no markings Google identified it as Italian 18c and found the only one for sale on Etsy
Thats great. Exactly. AI is just a better search engine. You can give it a TON of detail. The more the better. And it sifts the info for you, I stead of you having to review pages of search results.
I have. I admit, it was fun for a bit but I am, alas, cursed with critical thinking skills and it began to feel really really off. Have you ever seen a film called The Stuff? In a weird way it reminded me of that. I stopped using it because it felt too friendly. I couldn’t do anything wrong and although I thought I was learning, something was missing. I wasn’t being corrected. I’ve gone back to other means to search and learn. It’s worrying it’s so popular.
Oh these days ChatGPT is not friendly. It will argue with you till you're blue in the face. Always trying to correct you, and it refuses, flat out refuses to take corrections, even with proof. Try this, it's hilarious. Tell it Charlie Kirk was shot in the neck. Then when it denies it, tell it to look it up on the internet. After it acknowledges that you were right, tell it Charlie Kirk was shot in the neck again. Sit back and facepalm yourself into a stupor.
It's just a tool, a spell check, a fancy search engine. it spits back whatever you put in, and does correct you if you claim something outrageous. It's bad when you start having full conversations with it
People use it wrong. Its essentially a better Google. The more specific you are in your question (where you want it to look, how you want the answer presented etc.) The better and more accurate results you get. Which is awesome. Its been a big time and money saver for me.
you don't use AI to think for you. You use AI to come up with the most obvious solutions you've overlooked because you're human. It's basically a more sophisticated google.
I have found that the answers are only as good as the question being asked of it. You have to tell it where you want it to source the information from, and give it specific parameters. Its amazingly useful for mundane things. Found me the best interest rate to open a hysa in seconds. When I shopping for something I can source the store with the lowest price in seconds. I ask it for dinner recipes using ingredients I have-and then it remembers them for next time. I've saved lots of time and $
See? Perfect example. Im not asking chatgpt to give me a recipe. I ask it to give me highly rated recipes from cook books and food websites using the ingredients it knows I have. I tell it to link the source recipe too, which it always does.
If it is giving you idiot answers, you are asking your question like an idiot.
I have yet to have it give me one that is made up. Not once. I go to the source for the recipe. I always ask it to give me the links.
How would it matter if it gave you a made up source for a science paper or court case? Again, it would only matter if you are an idiot and dont check the source which takes 2 seconds. You can use your brain and not use the made up shit. Just like any tool, you need to use it correctly inirder dor it to perform correctly.
I once had to use Google AI to figure out why Google was ignoring my search parameters. At one point, Google was removing uncommon or specific answers because the were not common or generic enough. This issue has mostly been fixed, but it was pissing me off when it was still an issue.
Fault me for it? But I do use it to do a "settle a bar bet" kinda, nobody even really cares who such and such an actors name is, kinda thing. Like stuff that I'm pretty sure I'm right about, and if AI tells me the wrong thing, I'm not really committing this to memory and nobody actually has money on this
But that's just the thing, you cannot be a 100% certain that it's accurate about even basic shit like actors' names and such. If you trust yourself more than the LLM, why even pay attention to its output in the first place? Are you just looking for a "yes man" at that point? Like, if you think it's wrong, you'll ignore it, but if you think it's right, you go "Yup! That tracks!"? What if you're both wrong?
If you know some guy named Mikkelsen was in Hannibal and want to know his first name, you google "mikkelsen hannibal" and Mads will show up even without AI overview. Y'know, the way it did before Google started hoisting that shit upon its users. It's unnecessary and it actively harms the websites it's pulling its training data from.
Depends on the browser, but in essence you add a custom search engine, have it use the address "https://www.google.com/search?udm=web&q=%s" and make it default. It will do the search with that when you type it in the address bar.
Chrome: Settings -> Search engine -> Manage search engines and site search -> Site search -> Add. Once it's added, click the ... button and select "Make default"
Firefox: Settings -> Search -> Search Shortcuts -> Add. Then select it from the pulldown menu at the top.
if Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/udm14/ There's another way of doing this yourself, but there's something in about:config you have to change in order to let you modify existing search engines or add your own. It adds &udm=14 to the Google search string, which (for now anyway) turns off their AI summary thing. Or use DuckDuckGo. :)
don't need an add-on, don't need to touch about:config. Just add an entry in the settings->search, then once you have it added at the top of that page you can make it the default. Also, firefox has a built-in AI kill switch, make sure to toggle that.
Good. Something must have changed, the last time I tried doing custom search engine stuff in Firefox, which was to add &udm=14 of course, it had been locked down, and only an about:config setting changed unlocked the ability to add/change search engines. 🤷♂️
I agree TENTATIVELY... There are however several issues. The first is that the level of LLM you can run locally in a home right now is no where near powerful enough to do the kinds of things the commercially run LLMs are capable of. The second is that they still require very expensive systems. The third is that the commercially run LLMs require too much power and too much cooling. What LLMs are basically doing at the moment is using brute force to run 2080's tech in the 2020s
The fourth, is that at current, LLM tech is being used in alarming ways that violate common sense. Like there was a doll that used an online LLM and ended up resulting in a log of everything the child said being stored on a company's servers, as if remote surveillance were ok. Hence my earlier focus on LOCALLY run LLMs which don't violate the user's privacy.
The fifth final, and (to me at least) most important caveat is that not only are LLMs insufficient to adequately replace most of the human labor companies are trying to use it to replace, but our economic system is not where it needs to be to handle the displaced workers.
Really LLMs are best for automation tasks that we didn't already use humans for.
A response to nuance that isn't just an emotionally reactive knee jerk that collapses the nuance from a breakdown of what the problem is into the most adversarial possible interpretation?
I tried it once to get some prompts for some writing I wanted to do. I was amazed at how well it worked. AI always gets negatively attacked and I can see why but it has really good uses too, once it develops a reliable oversight system I suppose.
Its only as good as the user. When people tell me it gave obvious wrong or stupid answers then I assume you asked it a stupid question. Its a big time and money saver for me. Its also been awesome at finding things in seconds (with links) that would take me an hour. Another thing its been super helpful with is organization. I tell it to format information, make charts, check lists etc.
Congrats, you got prompts off of stolen material. I don't understand how you can be comfortable doing something creative with literal guidance from a purely pattern-based theft bot.
a Google search steals clicks and revenue from actual website that have the content by showing you the content in the search so you don't have to click the link. This is just more blatant theft, I don't use Google myself but it seems people don't care about stolen material
Or, the creators get credited, while we get rid of fucking capitalism so people can work together and improve on each other without the oldest story telling traditions of the human race being considered "theft"
I hate it as well, but it brings some quality of life to folks that use it. Its not revolutionary, just the next step to google. You don't have to search in 5 places how to bake a cake, you just ask in the same chat the same details.
YES! I use it to cook and bake and oh my lord has it been awesome. Its also how I shopping for things, it finds me the best prices instantly-no spending an hour shopping 50 different store websites or trying to wade through google results. My favorite thing it has done was I gave it my kids school lunch calendar and what he liked. I asked for a calendar with pack vs. Buy days and make a menu for pack days. It has an inventory of my pantry. Spit out a beautiful calendar in seconds.
Only if you are a moron when asking it to do something. Its only as good as the user. For example, I dont ask it "give me recipes for dinner with the following ingredients.." i ask it "I have the following ingredients. Find me highly rated dinner recipes sourcing only dining/food websites and authored by real chefs. Include the source for each recipe suggestion". I get instant and reputable results. Weve had some great dinners lately.
rainbowsandunicorns575
Same!
Hexidimentional
Not a gold star lesbian, but i'm a gold star ai hater
DildoMussolini
That "draft with copilot" icon in Word that chases your cursor around... Whoever invented that should be tortured in Hell for eternity.
WhatTheFrench
I used it yesterday because I couldn’t think of a word and it was driving me crazy. The word was “hubris” but I had structured my sentence so it needed to be an adverb, which is why my brain was refusing to serve up the right word.
Bertfisch
I someone could jerk me of I'd do the next guy. We can even make a circle or something
jridley
Same, and I also seek out "disable AI suggestions" type options to check.
Becker37
Congrats on having real human connection.
Unibu
I opened it, saw how shit it is and never used it since.
cuddleskunk
I add "-ai" to almost every search I make on any search engine. I forget occasionally, but remember most of the time. I'd like to think I'm helping in some way...but I don't know if it actually disables ai for the search, or just disables me seeing the results that were generated anyway.
InboxMeYourHDGIFs
I've used it once just to see for myself if it's as bad as I'd heard. I heard correctly.
jlist
I know some people don't like AI, but let me tell you, if you're not even looking at what it's capable of, you're probably going to be sorry at some point in the future. Just saying...
FacelessAce
I don't even know how to get to Chat GPT. Is it a website? Is it an app? I don't know, and I hope I never will.
TrippyTurtle69
I genuinely hate AI. However, it is exceptionally good at advanced mathematics. Take a snip of the problem, and paste into image search. Google provides a step by step on how to solve. My calc 3 professor has been utterly useless all semester. If I didn't have that tool I'd be failing.
LeifHietala
Same. Don't even know how, not interested in finding out. I rely on actual intelligence.
RedgrintGrumble
Cataleast
I opened it once to check if the basic UI has sort of clear disclaimer regarding the fact that it often spouts utter nonsense.
leviaton
Honestly, it's better to try, make your own opinion on if it's bad or not, rather than bandwagon.
Poppypoppoppop
l m a o
BenderRodriguz1010
Same. Never will either. Fuck AI with a rake.
Arcygenical
Some of them will let you do that.
BenderRodriguz1010
Still no
Samthetrue
@BotDrawA draw a bender unit from Futurama making love to a rake
DancesWithHippos
Thank you for my trophy!
TheMoonBnuuy
IGetAllMyFactsFromHere
"actually"? so you've gotten others to do your murder for you? noice!
BeaverOnFire
Ah man, another star I can't use.
NachoPete
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ZHk2aGg0Y2E2bDFpMHd1empjOGw4NmJvd3psd3UyaGU5OGM2YzhiMSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/unFLKoAV3TkXe/200w.webp
Linkboy9
Kyen155
Arcygenical
*Never been convicted of any crimes*
CheHuyVOchkoPososiMolochko
“Convicted”
Ghlargh
"Never been convicted of any of my crimes"
TheMoonBnuuy
ignotoCiResto
we thank for your services, pay you with an upvote and steal your work. See ya!
LordHosk
I don't even know how I would get Chat GPT and I don't care to know.
If I want to get answers wrong 50% of the time I can just guess myself.
Harmil
https://chatgpt.com/ There you go. You're welcome.
GroteB
Yeah... Fuck that.
Aetherblade
Got a pretty hard opinion on something you never used then?
The701
Harmil
Funny enough, you use vastly more water per request.
B99Reactions
that's kinda hard to believe, unless you have a totally different issue going on, but it's an app just like any other downloaded drink any app store or accessed from it's website like any existing service out there.
JohnnySilverballs
Never have, never will.
yallmfsneedjesus
I mean its been incredible in giving me recipes for dinner using ingredients I have on hand and then keeps a log for next time. Its been the best cook book ive ever had. It also finds me the lowest price on an item im shopping for in seconds. Saving me a crap ton of time researching that. It even found an item I was looking for in a local yeard sale.
Most people dont know how to use it to yield the best answers. Ask it broad, non specific questions and thats the kind of answer you're gonna get
EricPisch
My wife’s family heirloom figurine was broken in an accident, it had no markings Google identified it as Italian 18c and found the only one for sale on Etsy
yallmfsneedjesus
Thats great. Exactly. AI is just a better search engine. You can give it a TON of detail. The more the better. And it sifts the info for you, I stead of you having to review pages of search results.
HoldingAccount
I remember people saying this about the interent in the late 90s.
mrgusset
I have. I admit, it was fun for a bit but I am, alas, cursed with critical thinking skills and it began to feel really really off. Have you ever seen a film called The Stuff? In a weird way it reminded me of that. I stopped using it because it felt too friendly. I couldn’t do anything wrong and although I thought I was learning, something was missing. I wasn’t being corrected. I’ve gone back to other means to search and learn. It’s worrying it’s so popular.
TheMoonBnuuy
Oh these days ChatGPT is not friendly. It will argue with you till you're blue in the face. Always trying to correct you, and it refuses, flat out refuses to take corrections, even with proof.
Try this, it's hilarious.
Tell it Charlie Kirk was shot in the neck.
Then when it denies it, tell it to look it up on the internet.
After it acknowledges that you were right, tell it Charlie Kirk was shot in the neck again. Sit back and facepalm yourself into a stupor.
B99Reactions
It's just a tool, a spell check, a fancy search engine. it spits back whatever you put in, and does correct you if you claim something outrageous. It's bad when you start having full conversations with it
IHateTransphobes
It fabricates confident nonsense. Fact checking takes as long as real research.
yallmfsneedjesus
People use it wrong. Its essentially a better Google. The more specific you are in your question (where you want it to look, how you want the answer presented etc.) The better and more accurate results you get. Which is awesome. Its been a big time and money saver for me.
IHateTransphobes
It's a bad JPEG of the internet.
eetsumkaus
you don't use AI to think for you. You use AI to come up with the most obvious solutions you've overlooked because you're human. It's basically a more sophisticated google.
somnif
Back in 2023 my coworker convinced me to try and let it 'help' me find a new apartment. Not a single place it suggested actually existed.
yallmfsneedjesus
I have found that the answers are only as good as the question being asked of it. You have to tell it where you want it to source the information from, and give it specific parameters. Its amazingly useful for mundane things. Found me the best interest rate to open a hysa in seconds. When I shopping for something I can source the store with the lowest price in seconds. I ask it for dinner recipes using ingredients I have-and then it remembers them for next time. I've saved lots of time and $
IHateTransphobes
Don't let it know you have glue.
yallmfsneedjesus
See? Perfect example. Im not asking chatgpt to give me a recipe. I ask it to give me highly rated recipes from cook books and food websites using the ingredients it knows I have. I tell it to link the source recipe too, which it always does.
If it is giving you idiot answers, you are asking your question like an idiot.
IHateTransphobes
Sometimes those sources are made up. That doesn't matter for a recipe, but it matters a great deal for science papers and court cases.
yallmfsneedjesus
I have yet to have it give me one that is made up. Not once. I go to the source for the recipe. I always ask it to give me the links.
How would it matter if it gave you a made up source for a science paper or court case? Again, it would only matter if you are an idiot and dont check the source which takes 2 seconds. You can use your brain and not use the made up shit. Just like any tool, you need to use it correctly inirder dor it to perform correctly.
GravyEducation
Ah but you probably still have been assaulted by Googles AI overview at the top of the search results. None of us can dodge it all
deaththeunholy
Add “-ai” to your searches to turn it off
NeverTrustThisNewInternetThingy
Use duck duck go instead ? It is humanly possible to not use google;)
Travelcedric
I stopped using Google
youreathing
Edit the search settings in your browser to use {google:baseURL}search?q=%s&udm=14
AK90
Your first mistake was using Google. I dropped Google years ago
IHateTransphobes
udm=14 FTW.
Cataleast
I added custom default search parametres to avoid that very thing. Haven't seen the AI overview thing in over a year :)
RXJ235231
I once had to use Google AI to figure out why Google was ignoring my search parameters. At one point, Google was removing uncommon or specific answers because the were not common or generic enough. This issue has mostly been fixed, but it was pissing me off when it was still an issue.
GravyEducation
Fault me for it? But I do use it to do a "settle a bar bet" kinda, nobody even really cares who such and such an actors name is, kinda thing. Like stuff that I'm pretty sure I'm right about, and if AI tells me the wrong thing, I'm not really committing this to memory and nobody actually has money on this
Cataleast
But that's just the thing, you cannot be a 100% certain that it's accurate about even basic shit like actors' names and such. If you trust yourself more than the LLM, why even pay attention to its output in the first place? Are you just looking for a "yes man" at that point? Like, if you think it's wrong, you'll ignore it, but if you think it's right, you go "Yup! That tracks!"? What if you're both wrong?
GravyEducation
Sometimes you get high and forget which Mikkelsen is which and it doesn't actually matter
Cataleast
If you know some guy named Mikkelsen was in Hannibal and want to know his first name, you google "mikkelsen hannibal" and Mads will show up even without AI overview. Y'know, the way it did before Google started hoisting that shit upon its users. It's unnecessary and it actively harms the websites it's pulling its training data from.
HairyChairstepper
How does one achieve this?
youreathing
In Brave, edit the search engine settings to use {google:baseURL}search?q=%s&udm=14
Cataleast
Depends on the browser, but in essence you add a custom search engine, have it use the address "https://www.google.com/search?udm=web&q=%s" and make it default. It will do the search with that when you type it in the address bar.
Chrome: Settings -> Search engine -> Manage search engines and site search -> Site search -> Add. Once it's added, click the ... button and select "Make default"
Firefox: Settings -> Search -> Search Shortcuts -> Add. Then select it from the pulldown menu at the top.
Sensiblyinteresting
If you put the word "Fuck" in every question you Google the ai over view doesn't work
iamthemurray
They can't block every cussword!
The701
if Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/udm14/ There's another way of doing this yourself, but there's something in about:config you have to change in order to let you modify existing search engines or add your own. It adds &udm=14 to the Google search string, which (for now anyway) turns off their AI summary thing. Or use DuckDuckGo. :)
JimmieRustlin
don't need an add-on, don't need to touch about:config. Just add an entry in the settings->search, then once you have it added at the top of that page you can make it the default. Also, firefox has a built-in AI kill switch, make sure to toggle that.
The701
Good. Something must have changed, the last time I tried doing custom search engine stuff in Firefox, which was to add &udm=14 of course, it had been locked down, and only an about:config setting changed unlocked the ability to add/change search engines. 🤷♂️
TheFullLength
To pretend LLM are completely lacking in value is myopic.
As with everything, it's a tool. It's useful for some things, not for others. You wouldn't use a hammer to paint a door.
Hexidimentional
No hammer or screwdriver has ever made 8gb of ram cost 500$
TheMoonBnuuy
I agree TENTATIVELY...
There are however several issues.
The first is that the level of LLM you can run locally in a home right now is no where near powerful enough to do the kinds of things the commercially run LLMs are capable of.
The second is that they still require very expensive systems.
The third is that the commercially run LLMs require too much power and too much cooling. What LLMs are basically doing at the moment is using brute force to run 2080's tech in the 2020s
TheMoonBnuuy
The fourth, is that at current, LLM tech is being used in alarming ways that violate common sense. Like there was a doll that used an online LLM and ended up resulting in a log of everything the child said being stored on a company's servers, as if remote surveillance were ok. Hence my earlier focus on LOCALLY run LLMs which don't violate the user's privacy.
TheMoonBnuuy
The fifth final, and (to me at least) most important caveat is that not only are LLMs insufficient to adequately replace most of the human labor companies are trying to use it to replace, but our economic system is not where it needs to be to handle the displaced workers.
Really LLMs are best for automation tasks that we didn't already use humans for.
TheFullLength
A rational approach to a topic of nuance?
This isn't imgur!
TheMoonBnuuy
A response to nuance that isn't just an emotionally reactive knee jerk that collapses the nuance from a breakdown of what the problem is into the most adversarial possible interpretation?
This isn't imgur!
Twinklepot
I tried it once to get some prompts for some writing I wanted to do. I was amazed at how well it worked. AI always gets negatively attacked and I can see why but it has really good uses too, once it develops a reliable oversight system I suppose.
yallmfsneedjesus
Its only as good as the user. When people tell me it gave obvious wrong or stupid answers then I assume you asked it a stupid question. Its a big time and money saver for me. Its also been awesome at finding things in seconds (with links) that would take me an hour. Another thing its been super helpful with is organization. I tell it to format information, make charts, check lists etc.
Twinklepot
I think this is the first time I've seen positive comments about AI. Delighted to hear it. Used properly it could have many uses.
ChloePrice
Congrats, you got prompts off of stolen material. I don't understand how you can be comfortable doing something creative with literal guidance from a purely pattern-based theft bot.
B99Reactions
a Google search steals clicks and revenue from actual website that have the content by showing you the content in the search so you don't have to click the link. This is just more blatant theft, I don't use Google myself but it seems people don't care about stolen material
michiyl
If the creators of the content that was used to train the algorithm are financially compensated, maybe.
jasondeslin
Or, the creators get credited, while we get rid of fucking capitalism so people can work together and improve on each other without the oldest story telling traditions of the human race being considered "theft"
Magpiebones
There's storytelling and then there's plagiarism.
jasondeslin
Reread the part where I said credit you capitalist brainwashed fuckstick.
We were literally doing it before we had written language. Calling it criminal is insane. Technology can let us do it ethically.
Twinklepot
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1bnoxNTBna2dvazB1bGJ5Z3huem1iNXhhcHBtaWJieGFlMW9zdmdjcyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/6jprwZ2Ir7kYM/200w.webp
Magpiebones
Sorry but as a graphic artist I can't pay my rent or buy food with "we credited you" message.
CrikShore
I hate AI hype, but at this point you are being left behind. And don't kid yourself, you've used AI just by searching on google.
Cataleast
I don't see how I'm "being left behind" by refusing to offload my skillset to some black box solution.
CrikShore
I hate it as well, but it brings some quality of life to folks that use it. Its not revolutionary, just the next step to google. You don't have to search in 5 places how to bake a cake, you just ask in the same chat the same details.
yallmfsneedjesus
YES! I use it to cook and bake and oh my lord has it been awesome. Its also how I shopping for things, it finds me the best prices instantly-no spending an hour shopping 50 different store websites or trying to wade through google results. My favorite thing it has done was I gave it my kids school lunch calendar and what he liked. I asked for a calendar with pack vs. Buy days and make a menu for pack days. It has an inventory of my pantry. Spit out a beautiful calendar in seconds.
CrikShore
Cool. Yeah, its a tool. Because of the hype people think its super complex, but its just a tool.
yallmfsneedjesus
Yea i think thats the key. People are relying on it for waaay too much and they also dont give it enough detail to get accurate results.
GIHunter6
Left behind? Bro the people using AI are being lied to or having to go back and rewrite everything AI hallucinated at them. Get real.
yallmfsneedjesus
AI can be used for more than just writing s paper or prompt my guy.
GIHunter6
And it's equally as shit at all of them
yallmfsneedjesus
Only if you are a moron when asking it to do something. Its only as good as the user. For example, I dont ask it "give me recipes for dinner with the following ingredients.." i ask it "I have the following ingredients. Find me highly rated dinner recipes sourcing only dining/food websites and authored by real chefs. Include the source for each recipe suggestion". I get instant and reputable results. Weve had some great dinners lately.