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ThatBobbyG
I can’t wait to see how they abuse this. /s
shawnemack
Why can’t people have large parties? Is it a Covid thing?
marthafarquar
TheN8
Step 1 - Have kids. Step 2 - Dress kids in skin-coloured underwear. Step 3 - sue the police for possessing child pornography when they fly overhead.
Merdock
swc0806
Then let’s start drone recording all police interactions.
ICannotSanctionURBuffoonery
Jesus wtf? Way to go police state
wetAnimal
How about they deal with real crime and not what people do on their yard.
Leonon
Get a hawk.
killernat
i feel like using cheap suicide FPV drones with netting or fine wire to knock the drones out of the sky would be the easiest way to deal with this Orwellian bs without being caught
chaosundivided
what was that, civil disobedience using high voltage microwave oven transformers?
nik282000
A microwave oven does not get you an EMP, at best you can build a really shitty HERF gun of very limited range and a call from the FCC.
Ayecantread
Couldn't that possibly be tuned to the frequencies used to control the drone? Kinda how telsa coils play music, except with radiation. I guess that's how radios work in the first place, so now I got reading to do...
PerpetuityPhoto
Go ask pirate radio broadcasters in the 90s how messing with the FCC goes. Some of them might even be getting out of jail by now.
CheeseIsNaturesFudge
Up there with the IRS
SCHRAMB0
"ITS HERF OR NOTHING!"
thedarkcanuck
The fellas at the freaking FCC
DonaldJDuck
welcome to the world of tomorrow
Hemelsblauw
But why? What do they think to find?
FelonyRaptor
Black folks doing BBQ in their own yard totally without anyone shooting them?
darkestkale
People they can use civil forfeiture on
SimSimSimsalabim
Not the hero you deserve, but the hero you need.
Cranbananarama
There it is. Sometimes, you gotta get medieval on them.
SimSimSimsalabim
Marsellus Wallace approves.
Khanamana324
Time to start harassing city and police leadership everywhere they go with our own drones then, see how these little fuckers like being surveilled 24/7.
Pyrokneticbeavr
Ranged weapons are for cowards, get a drone of your own and put a knife on it.
MapleSyrupMafia
A drone with a net and you can grab as many as you want. Then do like Ukraine and reflash the drones with your own software. It's free real estate.
a2s2020
I see you've played knifey droney before
GermanSausagesAreTheWurst
bottle rockets with fishing line
Pyrokneticbeavr
I actually just had a better idea, put a bear trap on it.
CrispyNougat
I'm sure it will be used on whites and people of color equally.
NotTheDevilYouKnow
More proof we live in a police state~
vissago
herf cannon!
LetThemEatPie
A high powered water gun would also be fun, and legal on its own
ErectileFunction
FYI, the last time I checked (a few years ago), it was highly illegal to mess with aircraft like everyone is suggesting. Be sure to check local laws to know what you're getting into.
Kateness
Sometimes it's not about whether something is legal or not...
Eldibs
Is it illegal to use machine-learning to identify nearby drones in flight and control a high-powered light to blind them when they get close?
crodrigues
FYI You can train wild birds to befriend drones using their very friendly metal covered claws on their blades and it's totally not illegal!
18booma
It's only illegal if they catch you.
G0MeatCube
FTP
gesel
It is, though you may be permitted to trigger a mfg's "please go home" request if enabled. I'd be curious if intentionally dazzling the cameras (e.g. laser light source) would be construed as illegal interference given the camera is not part of normal flight control and there's no pilot to blind - anyone have any case law or experience?
ReturnWinchester
The problem with that is the drone will see exactly where the laser originated from.
Danceswithcanines
Ah but lasers can bounce many times off of multiple mirrors
tesseract4d2
I don't think that's the answer. Even if it doesn't blind the pilot, it makes it impossible to navigate the aircraft and causes a flying hazard for bystanders. We do need to figure out anti-drone stuff though. I like nets.
gesel
Yah, that's a possibility if the drone is FPV and the operator is relying on visibility to fly. In absence of some clear ruling that it isn't FAA "interference," you'd have to assume it is and so also illegal. So too sending FCC compliant ISM data intended to confuse the drone even if within FCC rules. Difficult to deal with in the US. The operator may be at fault, but you can't do anything about it yourself.
errrikblack
Fuck the police. This is just a bit of civil disobedience.
Orzufancylad
You own the airspace above your property up to 1k feet. The cops can't fly a drone there without a warrant.
TheBlueMuppet
1) You do not, its to the top of your structures plus a "reasonable amount of space", which is on the order of 20ft or so. 2) This is not a land ownership issue, its an FAA airspace issue, and they control the airspace down to the grass. Maximum allowed altitude in approved airspace for drones is 400ft above the terrain and buildings count as terrain.
TheBlueMuppet
Naturally, if Slaw Enforcement want to spy on your backyard party, they'll either get exemptions, or not get punished if they don't.
Skrumblecakes
This is not correct. Airspace at all heights is FAA controlled. Nobody owns airspace above their property.
Orzufancylad
Ok, so I will be over later to build over your house using supports from the next-door property.
Skrumblecakes
....you don't understand how "airspace" works versus building codes and zoning laws, do you?
Orzufancylad
No, I love your definition! There are a TON of buildings in NYC that would love to hire you so they don't have to buy airspace anymore!!
tinydog
But they can fly adjacent to your property, presumably.
totaleclipseofdescartes
Any citations for that you’d be kind enough to share? All I’ve found was California v. Ciraolo, which affirmed an unwarranted surveillance at 1k ft without ruling out lower elevations as unlawful. NYC does not have a law preventing police drone surveillance (though I wish they did), only requiring them to disclose aspects of it usage. Sauce: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/nyregion/nypd-police-surveillance-technology-vote.html
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
It's also not too smart to mess with broken microwaves or whatever.
bolobass
It's wicked smaht
rkingesd365
I've done that, not entirely fun.
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
But a little?
rkingesd365
Screwing around with stuff you know is potentially dangerous has some level of fun, yeah.
EccentricNimoy
People have lost fingers using the transformers or whatever it is in there, as a wood burning tool.. messy stuff
dudehiemer
Last time I checked, it was also against FAA regulations to fly a drone outside of the operators line of sight. Not, that that stops anyone, and I've not looked up that law in several years.
clarkWhogotsanity
Also within a certain distance of the airport as well
TetraNordeh
This requirement can have exemptions, such as if you're flying under a COA. I help with research flights, and we can fly within airport zones, but we have to monitor air traffic control communications and yield to all other aircraft.
TetraNordeh
Redoing this comment for clarity. Most commercial/organizational drone flights fall under Part 107, which does require line of sight to be maintained. However, you can apply for waivers (COA) to fly without line of sight, at night, above 400 ft, within airport zones, etc. I help with research flights that have a COA - while we do have a company policy to maintain line of sight, we aren't legally required to.
PerpetuityPhoto
You also wouldn't really need non-LOS flying to spot a back yard event. You can see a drone pretty high up, especially when you know what you're looking for, and zoom lenses mean they don't really need to get all that close in.
TetraNordeh
Very true. Though tbh, I really don't expect cops to follow laws/policies that protect the public. I wouldn't be surprised if they were flying without COA or even Part 107 certification.
putcleverusernamehere
100%
Snooj
Laws are for people who get caught.
override367
Which is why you should order drones out of state from multiple sources over years before you start your campaign of anyonymously using drones to destroy police drones
Elkku
on paper, it's illegal (in most cases) to spy innocent people on their own property too..
PerpetuityPhoto
Any space visible from any public or publicly accessible space is not considered a Private space in terms of expectations of privacy, legally speaking. So for the same reason that a nosey neighbor can look into your back yard, yeah, sorry, no.
RobberBaronsBad
Really, I've been peeping on people this whole time and getting in trouble and you're telling me all I needed to do was get a drone? You really saved my skin, brother. One more offense and I'd be going to jail for life for my third strike. Lol people have a reasonable expectation of privacy in their backyard, especially if it's fenced in or otherwise obscured.
PerpetuityPhoto
Tell me you have no idea how the law works withou telling me you get the damn idea.
RobberBaronsBad
Right back at you buddy. https://www.insideprivacy.com/united-states/us-court-reasonable-expectation-of-privacy-exists-in-rural-front-yard/
Asadsadsadclown
Except we are talking about walled in areas only visible from above. Expectation of privacy does not end in your own home just because you have a window, an area of obscuring construction like a fence or garden wall should have the expectation of privacy. These seemingly obvious protections are being eroded at an alarming rate by the famously corrupt NYPD.
PerpetuityPhoto
Funny you mention that... because you're wrong. Expectation of privacy legally DOES end if you have a window. Close your window blinds. If someone can see into your window from the sidewalk, you have no expectation of privacy in that circumstance whatsoever. As for your yard... Imagine you live next to an apartment building. The second floor can see straight into your yard. Do you still think you have an expectation of privacy then? Hint: The answer is No. You don't.
PerpetuityPhoto
Rule of thumb for the reasonable expectation of privacy is thus: Can you see it from a public or publicly accessible space, and is it Not a bathroom, private club, or paid entry venue like a concert. If the answer to those questions is Yes, then you have no legal expectation of privacy whatsoever.
TK421isAFK
It's actually not in most cases. Your back yard is not considered "private".
Bend3
Ehhhh, that's not entirely true. It depends on the "expectation of privacy". If your backyard has a chainlink fence and an alley going along it? no expectation. Do you have a 6 foot privacy fence? Reasonable expectation of privacy. laws on this can vary beyond that obviously and state laws may tweak those expectations.
JeremyPeevin
It makes sense but it's still stupid. You should honestly reasonably expect SOME privacy in your back frigging yard regardless of whether or not you can afford a privacy fence.
Bend3
Some yes. All depends if you can defend the reasoning in court.
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orivalx
Don't forget a judge will have to convict you still. And a jury will have to find you guilty. And 99.9% of the time at least one of that group of people will be a decent human being that says nah fam this dumb as fuck.
TK421isAFK
You wanna cite a single case where that's actually happened?
gesel
A quick search engine check provides an unsympathetic validation, after skipping through the more prurient results https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/police-registered-sex-offender-arrested-caught-naked-in-window-as-school-buses-went-by/
CthulhuIsRisen
Sounds like people need to start constantly flying drones around the police leaderships' homes. Maybe privacy concerns will be taken more seriously when the shoe is on the other foot.
Ryyyyyyyan
Check out any of those First Amendment Audit channels on youtube. Some of them are legitimately doing nothing but filming a police department and just get attacked.
Fishamil
This.
HsuDoNihm
Hypocrisy is not new to the blue. Just because they don't like it being done to them will not stop them from doing it to us.
EchoReaper
It's actually illegal. You can only observe other's homes from public spaces + perspectives. Using a drone violates that. I'd have to imagine it's illegal for law enforcement as well unless they have a warrant
ThePastmaster
"Yeah, but you have no law enforcement interests in your surveillance so your is illegal."
MasterMookie
Who reports crime more often than police do? Like real crime not just "Hey I saw you driving so I'm gonna pin this crime on you and you can't really fight against it." (Get a dashcam that also records your speed, super good investment)
ThePastmaster
Fortunately, I live in a country with a sensible police establishment.
Iputthebestinbestiality
Can't you site laws for forming militias, and use that as a reason to keep an eye out on things and certain people?
ThePastmaster
NotALawyer.jaypeg. No idea.
RandAIFlagg
We need to strap a gun to the drone cause that only works with guns
Iputthebestinbestiality
Doit.jpeg 😆
bourbonandbaddecisions
Gathering footage for a news article on how elected officials afford large properties.
UnluckyLunkhead
If it was that easy why are drones being used so widely in Ukraine?
JohnThatcher
Because a drone costs less to replace than a soldier.
UnluckyLunkhead
Yes, but a drone destroyer is cheap. Apparently.
JohnThatcher
Good ones aren't. They're also large, heavy, and (unless you start getting into the vehicle mounted lasers and guided munitions) *only* work on drones.
zanaria
If the backyard is fenced in, wouldn't they need a warrant?
mesogiria
Not any more than they would have needed one to fly around in a helicopter and look down at the city, I don't think.
ChloeRed
I suspect not, as they aren't entering the property, and the drone footage would give them the probable cause needed to either get a 1/
ChloeRed
warrant, or to not need one. 2/2
zanaria
That sounds a lot like the excuses that police use to illegally search vehicles after pulling them over for a busted taillight...
ChloeRed
Well, they are the same people, so...
lurkyouallnightlong
Remember the TV series, ‘Robot Wars’ where teams made robots to kill opposing team’s robots? Hear me out… live feed ‘Drone Wars’
Provos
Freeze som dead pigeons and fire the from a potato gun at the drone. Looks like an accident then.
MacklinBurtMacklinFBI
I like you
J32X19B1
Except, they will have a video of you firing a dead pigeon at their drone.
a2s2020
Train pigeons to flock over your property. The price of freedom is eternal pigeon crap over everything
Provos
Train crows or ravens to attack the drone.
a2s2020
Peregrine Falcons. The drone would not know what hit it
Orzufancylad
You can just use a slingshot or a laser pointer.
forResearchPurposesOnly
As long as your slingshot can erase the surveillance footage
cryborg
Shotgun?? /s
meloncauly
To this Australian, a shotgun honestly seems like the most legal American solution to this problem...
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
Never use a shotgun sarcastically. Or do, I ain't your daddy.
neilwatkinsfromaccounting
In Australia they came up with some ridiculous amount of gaol time for shining a laser pointer at an aircraft. The police can get people pretty easily for it too
a2s2020
How do they find the person pointing? (The pointerer? The laserer?)
neilwatkinsfromaccounting
FLIR
a2s2020
So the police have to catch them in the act, keep eyes on them, and direct someone on the ground to them? Makes sense if the laserer is, as well as being dumb enough to point a laser at a helicopter, dumb enough to keep doing it
neilwatkinsfromaccounting
Sort of yeah, they don’t have to keep doing it. There’s footage of people doing it and then going inside. If you flee the location yeah it would make it more difficult for them
dudehiemer
Remember Roe vs Wade? Well, while it protected abortion, it wasn't about abortion. Sure, an abortion case put it in place, but the case was about privacy. Guess what Constitutional Right was stripped away from everyone in the USA? The right to privacy.
hewhocontrolsthespice
I wanted to stop by and say, I know you're correct.
Samantha4u
Can you elaborate on this more?
drinkthederpentine
Completely incorrect
GeeBrainWhatDoYouWantToDoTonight
I can’t find anything to back this up. Roe Vs Wade is specifically about a woman’s right to abortion being protected by the 14th amendment. So just because they reversed roe vs wade doesn’t mean the 14th amendment doesn’t exists anymore.
override367
the precedent of Roe can be applied to lots of medical privacy, drones don't really come in, but Texas could pass a law mandating you install a Monsanto Agribond chip inside you or something
GeeBrainWhatDoYouWantToDoTonight
The 14th amendment summarized: No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
DarkDuskBlade
The case hinges on interpreting that amendment as a right to privacy. When they struck down Roe v Wade, they basically said no US citizen has a right to privacy. Thomas basically said as much when talking about it: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/24/roe-v-wade-supreme-court-justice-thomas-says-gay-rights-rulings-open-to-be-tossed.html
justadude41123
With all the latitude being afforded to trump and his cronies, vs the Jan 6th peasants. The 14th amendment consistently is shown to be somewhat of a gentle suggestion
ICameHereToBitchAtYou
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duga_radar I'm not saying to put up a directional radar array to crash police drones, I'm just letting you know it's possible. Especially since shooting the drone out of the air can get you arrested or at least fined for destruction of police property, whereas it's their own damn fault if they fly around where you're doing amateur radar things on your own damn property.
BobHubert
Ok I was leaning towards the shotgun approach granted I don’t live in New York. I mean all they are is skeet ok hard mode
koops
let your kids run around half naked in the backyard with the sprinkler on. drones and their operators are now guilty of making child porn.
attylloyd
Can someone post an easy DIY guide, targeted to the technologically challenged? i’d like a free drone. or, er, my friend would
GermanSausagesAreTheWurst
Bottle rockets with fishing line
Isthe4thtimethecharm
In Oklahoma, they passed a law that if a drone is over your property, you can shoot it. Of course, in the city that still presents a problem.
RhamnusiaThePaladin
I would just use camo net and say it's to block the sun.
CorgiRage
I fly drones for an engineering and survey company. I already get angry people yelling at me when I'm flying and don't really want to start worrying about shit like this.
bourbonandbaddecisions
For science.
20MB13
Or according to Sexycyborg. A Blu-ray laser lense and the right diode can actually start stuff on fire.
Tsugumi2me
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Admithetruth
just a battery a cheap 1w vtx and set up to cycle channels...
WallowsInMud
Drones are under faa jurisdiction, so it would be a federal charge to shoot them down as well
PerpetuityPhoto
Good way to get bagged and tagged by the FCC REAL damn quick. If the goal is not to have the cops invade your privacy, doing things that give them warrants to do is, to coin a phrase, "Actually quite dumb".
Tarmaccian
Yeah… Don’t do this. You’ll be disrupting air traffic by using an unlicensed high-power transmitter. The FAA and FCC are two of the three scariest federal entities to have hunting for you.
cardinal29
Knock, knock! Who's there!? The Feds! Whoops, there goes your whole door frame. . .
unluckyandbored
Having any TLA on your ass is bad.
cyounghmfce
I don't have any home grown Duga radar at home, is store bought fine?
BigDaddysMeatWagon
Everyone is saying the permits are the big thing, but also modern drones don't crash when jammed, they return to their home location. It would likely just annoy them.
Maverickaura
Is far easier and far less illegal to build your own radio jammer circuit. They aren't illegal to own, are a fairly common curiosity project for people fucking around with electricity, and are super small and easy to dismantle after use. They are easy to track down if anyone is looking for it though, and standard "don't fuck with electricity if you don't know what you're doing stupid" rules apply. But it would only take a short blip to disrupt a drone.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
seems like it would be easier to get a 300l lumin light and burn out the things camera sensors.
Maverickaura
Well then it becomes obvious it was a targeted attack on the drone. It would need to be looking your way for that to work as well, so they'd know where it came from. The jammer can be played off as an accident if they do find you and you don't even really need to be outside to use it. It's all about that plausible deniability
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
maybe I just wanted a really good look at it -.-
Maverickaura
(Note, they are hella illegal to OPERATE for extended periods of time, which is why I mentioned they are super easy to track. But generally short 10-15 second tests aren't somthing the fcc is gonna breath down your neck over unless you're doing it super often.)
JamesInTasmania
Duga radar sized may require a few permits!
ProjectDA
release the air daemon script!
HedonistBeard
Good call. Better just shoot it down. Less hassle that way.
GermanSausagesAreTheWurst
bottle rockets with fishing line
ConfessionsofMeandpornfavorites
I would rather have an EMP. Oh, God. I would feel invincible, nearly. And everything in the house must be shielded or fudge.
JamesInTasmania
A pressure washer with diesel in it, and a mapp gas torch would be more fun if you can get 'em close enough!
LTareyouserious
Hans, get ze flammenwerfen