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Reposting for awareness from Australia.
This s**t is f**ked up here as well.
Apr 29, 2016 11:38 AM
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This s**t is f**ked up here as well.
drnathaniel
This would be awesome.. If politicians were barred from any other income or gifts for life.
Moonadon
I imagine getting the people who made those rules in the first place to change them isnt going to be easy
jackbos
The few US politicians who aren't already millionaires rely on that salary. Cut it, and you'll *only* have the millionaires left.
ddmmyyyy
So get into politics, kids.
flythedirector
450.000 for life...then if they live like 40 years would be 11.250 a year?
SwashbucklingForJustice
God forbid we compensate people with incredibly important jobs at a reasonable level to attract top talent.
leodavinci1
No problem w paying people what they're worth… but debatable politicians are worth that much. Also, they don't deserve a life pension.
BribeGuntails
What if people didn't become politicians for the money but, instead, became politicians for it's what they'd do best at?
HerbieRobinson
MrChurch
And how many retired house speakers are there? Like 8? Not gonna make a difference.
Justabuckeye
This goes back to the ole "you vote them in" argument.
BilboT34Baggins
What is this, Australian politics on IMGUR?? YYAAAAAYYYYY!
l33t1c4r1u5
Because soldiers and congressman have the same level of responsibility...
rossy167
Both sit around all day doing fuck all?
l33t1c4r1u5
Congressman try to get themselves raises.
DragonLost
Iif you pay them less, they will be more inclined to sell the future to the highest bidder, what we need is to block other sources of income
dontmagpie
Bullshit and made up numbers *yawn
whiskeytangofoxtrot1
The average soldier makes 60k
Kibroman
last year when I was stationed in Germany, I was pulling in over 4k a month, as a single e-5
jdizzle69
As an elisted personel i dont even make 22,000 a year.
UserrMaatIenpw
Not at all to argue that enlisted don't make enough, but does your enlistment cover all housing food medical etc?
kevinanthony
a politicians job requires more talent than a soldiers, therefore they get paid more. ta-da!
CrazyCatLad
I mean making sure the generator on an aircraft carrier might require more talent than thinking gay people are icky.
kevinanthony
well you know what i mean. a soldier vs. a law school graduate
jackbos
"Pensioner" is a term used by British people, not Americans. So fuck off and concentrate on your own country's politics.
whatismyusernamedude
this is australian
jackbos
Oh. Well. Okay. Now I look dumb. I'll take my downvotes like a man.
whiskeytangofoxtrot1
Does this take into account the recent changes in pay because it looks like it does not
sabaxter
This isn't facebook.
Treblaine
Why isn't it compared with the salary of an officer? A general is the highest military rank, compare to highest political position.
Cryeing
Because a retired 4 star, equivalent to a PM roughly, with 40 years in gets 237,000$ Comparing junior enlisted to thePM is false equivalency
OneDayIllBeRelevant
A SITTING US president makes $400k a year, and most presidents donate all of it. Frankly, not much for having near-infinite responsibility.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
And after they're done being president they'll get close to that just for a speaking fee. Like for giving a 30 minute speech.
AFineDayForScience
They don't do it for the money. They do it for the
AliBarber
This picture is older than the Internet. I'm guessing you found it on Facebook
Insomnia297
Back when it was an actual book?
SpeakingAsTheDevilsAdvocate
Also soldiers definitely make more than 40k on average
Avrafrost
This post is like my dick. It tends to pop up every now and then for no reason but I normally don't share it.
odraencoded
But do you pass it on?
KyoshiroTasya
Pass what on, the HIV?
despozblehero
Myspace.
GR3453m0nk3y
Alright, but how many people belong to each of those categories? I did the math once. If we paid every congressperson minimum wage, we (1/2)
GR3453m0nk3y
(2/2) would be able to give every soldier and every veteran a $0.04 raise in salary.
Anonsy
A politician is better educated and more useful individually compared to your average soldier or pensioner.
Arguile
Yea. Idk what most of the 18 year olds out of highschool that are aimless and uneducated deserve huge salaries on top of socialist benefits.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
Better educated sure. But useful is relative. Hard to convince me that most of the US Congress has been useful for the last decade or 2.
leodavinci1
Try the the last ten decades.
CrazyCatLad
Better educated doesn't exactly mean they are useful and/or good politicians.
Anonsy
Decades of experience is what justifies the high paycheck
CrazyCatLad
The point still stands that decades of XP still doesn't mean they're useful or excel at what they do for the common good-you see that right?
Anonsy
If they were useless, you wouldn't have a country to live in.
CrazyCatLad
Oh praise them for not selling our country to the highest bidder. Yay!
theurlfieldmustbelessthan63characterslongbitch
I'd have to argue on the idea that they are better educated...Some of these folks seem like they got into power through blow jobs alone.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
Funny how that happens when you are in cbarge of setting your own benifits and wages. At least in the US thats how it goes.
Zaranthan
This is where my mind always goes. If I voted on my own salary, I'm not sure I could resist the temptation either. (1/2)
Zaranthan
(2/2) That said, politicians don't make their money from their paychecks. They make their living off kickbacks.
RomanianPharmD
To be fair, they vote for salary for next term, so they might not even get it and voters can see if you voted to raise it
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
To be fair, there is typically an 80% incombancy win rate. Moot point.
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TheJudgeHasItBackwards
If so, why do they keep increasing their own salaries? It looks bad, so if it was really meaning less they wouldn't do it.
qaaaaa
Congresspeople do not vote on the salary for their own term. They can only raise it for future terms.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
With an 80ish percent incumbency win rate, this is a moot point
GreaterDog
YEA WOW THE TOP POSITION IN THE COUNTRY PAYS BETTER THAN A SOLDIER, WHO KNEW
GreaterDog
Upvoting all of you because I agree that 400k pension is ridiculous, same with US president, since you virtually HAVE to be rich to get it.
sammmuel
LOL! GET YOUR PITCHFORKS! :D
Cryeing
4 Star American Generals with decades of experience can retire with 200k+retirement salaries,comparing the lowest employee to the highest...
Mimsey
4-Star Generals bust ass harder than possibly any other high political rank in the US. Slightly more meritocratic in the service.
Cryeing
Becoming President or PM is also difficult. My point is simple, you can't compare the lowliest employees of an org to the highest of another
Mimsey
As we can tell with Emperor Trump, money is more important in politics than it is in the military.
LetumComplexo
In my eyes you can but only for 1 reason. If your lowest employees are working full time and not being payed a living wage.
IAmArthurKingOfTheBritains
Paying better is not the issue. It's that for life part. You can get voted in, suck at it, leave and get 400k a year forever
pyroscoped
Cough tony abbott cough
twofishtails
So out of the ordinary! Australia must be terribly special.............
TheMemeForge
After leaving it, 400k per year while retired
RaymondGarraty
It is not the fact that the job pays better, but that each political position pays for life, regardless of if/when they leave work.
ellert0
Said top positions are only as valuable as the people in them. Many of whom are worth shit. Unproductive liars getting in on social ties.
icyanddicey
Is retired prime minister a position?
Eggbutts
How dare you! I've been a professional retired prime minister all my life!
DaneBrass
So if you lowered their salaries, you'd be able to pay 40,000 soldiers/pensioners about $20 more per year. Solid logic right there.
arachnoides
And also remove incentives for the best and most capable people to take the important jobs.
jesmonster
Obviously not. It is still a good idea to think about where our values lie and how we distribute money.
LearningOnImgur
And I believe in the army alone there are 300,000. So yeah...neat
Akonkaguya1029
yeah thats the same about in america... good luck changing shit
topoandfriends
spain is more or less the same but 1/4 for the oensioners
UntitledUnmasteredDeluxe
the thing is these people literally never stop working.
th031695
Actually the president gets paid less than the prime minister of Australia. By 50k.
rubbarz
Thats actually almost exactly the same
LilSis061016
Right! If only they weren't in charge of deciding their own salaries and benefits...
ExperimentAlpha
THIS is the problem!
echonite
Fun fact, that is the reason they can't lower their pay, because they cant alter their pay, up or down.
lexifornow
Actually... Our congressman makes peanuts compared to their investment portfolio
maciaspinha
Hahaha look at the ones they get here in mexico, your politics look like wanna be/amateurs parasites next to this ones...
therearenone
Actually, it's not. http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs-publish.cfm?pid=%270E%2C*PLC8%22%40%20%20%0A
Gleipner
Basically the same in Sweden. But check out Norway their system on this particular matter is great
OneBabyOneHamburgerBun
Would absolutely love to hear how Norway is doing it.
Gleipner
See my reply to bannaner
OneBabyOneHamburgerBun
thank you!
Mulan404Assassin
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Gleipner
See my reply to bannaner
Bannaner5
How is it done there?
Gleipner
Well, I don't know the details right now. But their retired politicians and prime minister basically don't get a parachute or money 1/2
Gleipner
What they have done is considered part of their civic duty and is expected of them without getting special treatment when it comes to money.
Omez
Not entirely true. top positions have 2-4 times average salary, parliament 1,5 times or so, normal got a little above average
Omez
Also they can get afterpay for up to 1 year to reschool or find new job, and a small benefit to their pension.but still way better than most
dixie18402
Well... Not with that attitude!
SmellyPotatoMan
Well, we tried and then Hillary bought the delegates. It doesn't matter.
Hashtagusername
Or any attitude. Need money to fight money.
chaseNC
Not necessarily. You can fight big money with votes. Place reps in a position that they can initiate sweeping changes in banking law.
chaseNC
For instance, they need to bring back Glass Steagall. Allowing commercial and investment banks to merge was a huge blunder.
Hashtagusername
Isn't this election enough testament that without money your voice will go almost unnoticed, I don't disagree with you but how the fuck.
kdm36
Maybe get off ingur and go in the streets, maybe then you will change something, I know that's a uncomfortable truth...
t4thfavor
Ew, this is a civilized country, you can't just "go in the streets"...
kdm36
That's rich, making fun of a typo...
t4thfavor
I can't help it, some uf us are just not civilised enough to let it pas.
Mayhaveshatmyself
Everybody thinks whining and posting on the internet will change anything. We have to act in the outernet people.
Akonkaguya1029
I saw LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD. I think the internet almost won there.
chaseNC
Just because people post opinions doesn't mean they are deluded into believing their posts are all that's required to initiate change.
Mayhaveshatmyself
Should have worded that better, what I mean is a lot of people (at least in my city) feel/act that way.
MrTay
Except if you had a career in the military you are making quite a nice pension. If you full colonel or above I know you make serious money.
BecauseIwasInverted
Current yearly pay in military for me isn't that impressive.
MrTay
Ya, I was more talking about benefits and pension.
BecauseIwasInverted
Well you only have wait a mere 35 years for full retirement benifits
ItsOkayItsOfficial
My mother retired at 06 and still has to work. They've been depreciating the percent of active pay to retirement for more than a decade.
MorgothsORing
50% of your salary and insurance for life j think
MrTay
So people seem to be confused. I'm not saying you have to be full colonel to make a living. I just know you have great retirement if you are
Smartcart
HAHA you're acting like making full bird is a walk in the park
MrTay
Defiantly not if you read my other comments just that military can be a good job for those who make a career.
Monkofthepast
assuming you make it to pension. many people don't, or in my case can't. BUT, I don't disagree that with a good head, you can do just ok.
MrTay
And that's completely ok. I probably wouldn't make it far in the military, but have in my field.
MrTay
Ya, it's like any career. Not everyone is going to make it same with any industry. Just because you show up doesn't make you ceo in 20 years
teninchhero
If you make full colonel. Yeah, that's pretty simple
rubbarz
My dad 24 years in the marines makes around $3300 thats with 100% disability as well. The new VA they built in FL is really good tho.
rubbarz
(A month)
Iamlordofspuds
Yeah but enlisted up to e6 makes enough to still qualify for food stamps
virulentspam
That's only factoring base pay. There's a lot more entitlements soldiers get based on location, duty, etc.
Treblaine
http://www.militaryfactory.com/military_pay_scale.asp I've heard plenty of people say they went for the military as it paid them MORE.
Treblaine
Not to mention a history of distinguished military service opens up other areas like law enforcement, security and arms industry.
MrTay
Very very true, my only point was the military is great If you spend 20-30 years in it.
Doridan
Because quite a bit of the money is non-taxable and therefore doesn't count as "real" income in most circumstances
Iamlordofspuds
When you are deployed
teninchhero
This is bullshit. Let's not forget the room, board, food and medical. It ain't CEO money but let's not act like its shitty money
animecrazystyle
Actually no. Depending on where you are, it still is shitty money. While better than a lot, it's still not great. Just cuz the shit has
Manorexia
Yeah there is a lot of in-kind benefits that are not accounted for. So yes on paper they don't make a lot but it is decent with benefits
animecrazystyle
Corn in it doesn't make it any less shitty
gablestout
Plus housing allowance, plus food allowance, plus free medical/dental, free pension. As a married E-7, I made a pretax equivalent of $100k
Iamlordofspuds
Married also make quite a bit more than single
gablestout
A single E-6 with only 8 years would clear an equivalent of about $75k living off base, or $47k with free board on base
CFeels
These numbers leave out all sorts of statistics and information. Taxes, population, additional income, etc.
BrisketandBeans
Plus soldiers are young and at the beginning of their careers, those others with high salaries are at the ends
BrisketandBeans
And what is a pensioner? That's pretty vague
CFeels
You also have politicians getting a pension that they worked for, granted some don't work much or there's too much gridlock in congress. 1/?
CFeels
Regardless its like working as a CEO and getting your retirement money. Sure there are employees that you could give the money to, but 2/?
CFeels
You earned it by leading a company and making decisions. It becomes rewaed for your work untill you're gone. Stick to the American dream 3/?
CFeels
Of "work for your earnings." Yes, there may be those that get a silver spoon, but that goes to show you how you can benefit your 4/?
CFeels
Future descendants by working hard and making an estate. You can even use that money to benefit others trying to work as hard as you. 5/?
CFeels
Don't expect to get a whole bunch of steps up a latter because the guy on the roof fell off. You're still on the ladder.