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Sep 21, 2016 11:25 AM
DachshundsArePeopleToo
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WolfgangxZ
Reporters actually think they can change the world when in reality they are making it worse. I put em with politicians on my shit list.
elahrairah
Am I the only one who doesn't care what the cop looks like? It's a cop killing a civilian every time.
shbecky93
Any excuse to get a free tv
Icantthinkofanythingbecauseimboredatwork
Protesters are on the street with the signs Exploiters are looting Walmart. Try not to mix the two.
ostrig
The media created that story and then people took advantage of it.
TestAccount321
But naturally on imgur land, anything concerning black people is ignored unless it can be diluted into ONE specific point to complain about
Jazzycox
According to family he had a book not a gun....like the person who shot at officer with a sandwhich last year.
ANewBearANewWay
Can't wait to see an old school photo of them on tv too.
tusig1243
So you're saying the media is manipulating the truth via fear campaigns in order to stimulate hatred and distrust in society? Fuckin shocker
happylegsbrown
America is fucked up. So, disgustingly fucked up. I have nothing to suggest to fix it. Everyone needs to respect everyone.
kasaku
Because the police would never lie and plant a gun on someone they murdered.
kasaku
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/cops-turn-body-cams-killing-man-then-plant-gun-and-drugs-him
HeyDontBeADick
Do you actually want to understand why this happens, or is this just complaining about how people don't do what you think they should?
erischilde
Some people seem not to understand the concept of "institutional racism".
Kc43
Meaning cops, no matter their race, are racist because they are part of the policing institution?
captainfluff
I'm pretty sure it is because he was unarmed. Police brutality is an actual problem.
MaSu10
It is worldwide I'd say, Some cops are good, some are bad, most like the power trip they are on, thats where all this shit comes from
JBSmoove
Problem is that instead of holding the bad ones accountable, they give them paid leave off and defend them, instead of prosecuting the bad.
FreyaNicci
Or just flat out deny that there are bad cops.
AnalSexInTheWoodsDontMakeBabies
Just happened 5 minutes from me last night. Charlotte nc
Jet3444
I go to school there and campus felt different today. There was a peaceful protest at the Union today around noon.
AnalSexInTheWoodsDontMakeBabies
union was peaceful, but we had clowns chasing people with knives and somebody chasing people down with their car
Jet3444
God some people are stupid....
AnalSexInTheWoodsDontMakeBabies
btw im a sophomore at uncc too
cheetah098
RideTheTiger
I-85 last night
Jet3444
Campus felt really weird today while waking around. Might have just been me.
demolitionlover09
You go to UNCC?
Jet3444
I do! Do you?
demolitionlover09
Nah, my gf did though. She was the one that told me about the incident.
inbadtaste
Maybe because he was sitting in his car waiting for his kids to get out of school?
inbadtaste
Or are you talking about the guy who got shot in the back for "reaching into a window" that was closed?
inbadtaste
Or are you just being a race baiting troll?
JalapenYoBizness
They were chanting "We're out like the Taliban!"
KimmieGibbler
And threatening the police officers non stop with physical violence and death.... very peaceful protest indeed
Jet3444
Throwing rocks and water bottles, destroyed police cruisers, hurt 12+ officers, stopped I-85, lit a fire on I-85, and looted Walmart.
BannedAgainWTFthatWasntNSFW
NLM
40envelopes
If it don't push a liberal agenda you won't even hear about it most times .
HeyDontBeADick
Terence Cutcher validated a liberal agenda - not a peep on here.
BlueStringsAttached
Because they are protesting the police in general. There's an argument police are too quick to gun with black suspects no matter the officer
earlywormy
Looting and rioting isn't protesting.
BlueStringsAttached
I responded to the protesting statement. I wrote protesting.
Thenameideserved
woa woa woa, how did you copy paste me from before i wrote it?
BlueStringsAttached
Um, Imgur updated its app so I can ESP other users now.
ThisIsFrigglish
Just not an argument supported by the statistics of officer-involved shootings.
thegreatheed
And because people will ask for the source, here is one.
thegreatheed
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/study_police_are_no_more_likely_to_shoot_at_blacks_than_whites_but_blacks_g/
ArcaneConjecture
This is study relies on data provided by...lol...the cops. Who have every incentive to lie, and face *no penalty* for not lying.
kasaku
That study is terribly flawed, the methodology is shit and it's done by an economist, not trustworthy at all.
MississippiGirl
????
ltsDizzyD
Yeah even back cops think that way... intersting. I wonder what that says about black people
BlueStringsAttached
That people misperceive them as dangerous? Are you implying something else there, Captain?
Schmedes
Most violent crimes against people are committed by their own race. It happens with whites, blacks, everyone.
Nobody7713
It's because decades of media and social conditioning have trained us, rightly or wrongly, to be instinctively more suspicious of black folk
ltsDizzyD
The media doesn't make black people fear black people.
bamcockseverywhere
Shoot/don't shoot studies ftw
mbus
I think you are misunderstanding the argument here. It's not about individual bigotry so much as our cultural response to these killings...
mbus
This includes lack of repercussions for police as well as racist policing policies such as "stop & frisk" that lead to a (2/3)
mbus
disproportionate number of black people being stopped relative to the percent of crimes committed. (3/3)
RussianMoofinsStoleMyName
Or they could not report race at all so it doesn't eclipse what happened.
BattloidKouji
Why does the race of the officer matter?
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BattloidKouji
I agree that race *shouldn't* matter in anything, but statistics show that sadly it does matter, and we can't just ignore it and pretend (1)
BattloidKouji
it doesn't exist. as long as there is imbalance against one race, you have to talk about race to even just acknowledge the problem, let (2)
BattloidKouji
alone fix it. (3)
HeyDontBeADick
People think that racism means black people against white people, so a black officer killing a black man isn't racism. It's dumb.
hayllyn
(it can still be racism- racism is systemic and someone can be racist against their own race-- especially if they're a member of a group 1/
hayllyn
that benefits from racism or turns a blind eye on the realities of racial prejudice-- such as the police in many cases do. Not that the 2/
hayllyn
police are MORE racist than the rest of us, they just have more power than the rest of us, and more scrutiny.)
HeyDontBeADick
Agreed
hayllyn
p.s. this was an addition to @HeyDontBeADick's comment, not refuting it. I think HeyDontBeADick made a good point.
RickySpanishhhhh
I live in Milwaukee. The riots are over, and it was about 60+ years of oppression and segregation, not one shooting. Go ahead and downvote..
raidleadergutts
It's despicable how these statists & racists are desperately trying to water it down to one shooting.
sicilanblue52
The race of the cop doesn't matter. It's that cops are killing unarmed people. Period
silentheaven
i read that he had a gun in the car. why would you reach into a car when 3 cops have a gun on you? you get to the ground and listen.
washismycopilot
I've had cops pull guns on me, throw me to the ground, and shout. It was terrifying and I couldn't even tell what they were shouting.
thegreatheed
So did you reach for your gun?
washismycopilot
Not with an officer on my back.
thegreatheed
That's probably why they didn't shoot you.
Goochami
your mistaking the Charlotte NC shooting with the Tulsa OK shooting
silentheaven
yep i did
Goochami
you are correct though. listen and comply especially knowing that they are shooting everyone
silentheaven
hell yea, dont care if im innocent. id rather be put in cuffs than a body bag. live to fight another day
raidleadergutts
Was that statement made by police? If so, it's not trustworthy.
silentheaven
after going back it was another person i had read about. he didnt have a gun. but still, why would you try and get into your car??
WangFire
Maybe he had car trouble? The cops had 0 reason to have a gun out.
silentheaven
I agree with that 100%, however with their guns already out my ass would be on the ground. not trying to get in my car.
itmightbeamemorableday
Recent study showed black police are 3.3 times more likely to fire their weapons in the line of duty. Is that study racist? Hmmm....
shedooooooooo
Black civilians are also more likely to shoot at police, and at people in general despite being 13% of the pop. I wonder why cops are bias?
BattloidKouji
Did it control for location, or was it just national? I doubt the ratio of white to black officers is the same in all departments (1)
NotFarEnough
Right on, good to know we have people here w/ statistical competency and critical thinking abilities
BattloidKouji
and it's possible that black officers are more likely to work in high crime areas, thereby leading them to have to discharge their weapon(2)
BattloidKouji
more often. I'd have to see the study to know for sure though. (3)
HeyDontBeADick
Thanks for engaging in actual analysis
MississippiGirl
My exact thoughts
fuck123456789
I love how imgur ignored Terence crutcher cuz it didn't play into the all blacks are bad
HamboneHFY
You must have been visiting a different Imgur to me because Crutcher was all over the FP...
SpaceZeus
I just want to know how the situation escalated to where they had guns drawn from a guys car being broke down
fuck123456789
He was EWB, existing while black
Nobody7713
Seriously. Because there was absolutely no feasible justification for that shooting at all. (Not being sarcastic, just so you know)
ProbablyDrunkAgain
If I believed the media, I'd probably think the same. Need to see the police investigation first before I pass judgement.
ProbablyDrunkAgain
You know, due diligence and all that shit rather than jumping on the bandwagon.
Nobody7713
I'm mostly going off my impression after watching the video from the helicopter more than anything.
silentheaven
from the video it looked like he was trying to get into his car. you just dont do that if guns are drawn on you and theyre yelling dont move
staticshock25
How was he going to get inside with his hands on top of the car and the windows up? I guess he was going to open the door with his kneecaps.
silentheaven
his hands were up as he was approaching his car
silentheaven
his hands werent up at that point. look up the helicopter video
Nobody7713
To me it looked more like he was leaning up against the side of the car. And it's definitely not a justification to open fire on him.
silentheaven
its hard to say for sure, but my problem with him is that he wasnt listening to the cops telling him to stop moving. only takes seconds 1/2
silentheaven
2/2 to grab a gun and open fire on the cops.
washismycopilot
I actually was wondering if Terence Crutcher would be on FP today. There is such a disconnect between civilian and police behavior.
fuck123456789
The cops had no fucking reason to be aggressive, other than idiotic fear of black men
milpitAsian
Am I the only one here who watched the video?Verbal commands to stop, kept walking to car,reached into car and was then shot/tased. Simple.
Chopsworth
Yeah, I'm confused why everyone keeps saying the opposite.
fuck123456789
He did not reach in
FuneralsWithCake
He couldn't have reached in. The Windows are closed. His hands are up. Genuinely perplexed as to why you're trying to justify murder.
fuck123456789
Because cops can do no wrong
JimNeverHasASecondCupOfCoffeeAtHome
Imgur says all blacks are bad? I think you might be building something up in your mind.
CanduReactor
Did the police release a statement about that one. I watched the videos and still have no idea about why they shot him.
bamcockseverywhere
"HE'S A N....not very nice man." - Tulsa cop, probably
raidleadergutts
Because they're cops and they can get away with cold blooded murder is the simplest explanation. They don't care for peoples lives at all.
fuck123456789
They say he was reaching inside the car they also said that the window was up
youdontwantthesecards
Watch the press conference from the day of and then the (days later) video they released of the incident. Insane.
fivefrozenfishfingers
Are they contradictory?
iyamgurting
A good reason to loot as any, I suppose amirite?
fuck123456789
How about you go fuck a mountain
CanduReactor
Hey now, that's not a very nice thing to call his mom.
Stumpyz
The statement went completely against the video, and even the chief said there was no weapon on him. Senseless killing.
kantorr
That's incorrect. CNN and the chief reported that a weapon was recovered from the scene.
Stumpyz
I'll include a source after, but literally EVERY news source quoted him as saying there was NO weapon. Check yourself with other sources.
Stumpyz
http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/tulsa-police-chief-chuck-jordan-describes-events-up-to-the-fatal-officer-involved-shooting-sept-16
EverydayIdleness
They're rioting and looting because they have a flimsy excuse and they get free stuff. Is this even a question?
thebiggestblackestdick
It isn't about Rodney King, in this fucked up situation with these fucked up police, its about coming up, and staying on top ,and screaming
thebiggestblackestdick
1-8-7 on a motherfucking cop
moaner
Truest comment ever. Peeps don't actually give a fuk they are using it as an excuse to be shits
NerfHerderTurdBurglar
It is a question. You can tell because they put a question mark at the end instead of a period.
rabaal
Pretty much the same reason they vote democrat every election.
ballsmcnadfrop
Yep party platform is riotdaywednesday.
iddrinkherbathwater
Okay kids, that's enough. Don't you have some schoolwork to do?
rabaal
Nah. I helped my kid do hers already. In a home that I own. With money I earned. From labor I did.
ANewBearANewWay
You didn't build that house! You didn't earn that money! You took it from the community! Whitey devil!
iddrinkherbathwater
Earn money? Nobody does that anymore.
CantStopTheRock
People wonder why we have such a negative view of certain people. Dont get me wrong, if this were whit trash they'd be doing the same
HighlySexualLobster
https://youtu.be/D8MZwMzs9rA Thats why the canucks are considered a terrorist organization, and Canadians can't immigrate to the US
offendineveryway
It's not an excuse flimsy or otherwise
fartmcsparklepants
Happened, its an excuse..nothing more. (2)
iddrinkherbathwater
Not an excuse, but it is an opportunity for those willing to steal to do so and get away with it.
Nineteenletterslong
Sorry that your comment is misunderstood in a sea of people who are certain that they are right and that is all that matters.
fartmcsparklepants
How is it not? Seriously, they are literally lighting things on fore and looting buisnesses that had absolutly nothing to do with what (1)
DrDave94
I think maybe he (or she) was saying that their actions were inexcusable, not that they are OK or anything like that
fartmcsparklepants
Ah see that makes sense, thanks for clearing that up...think i read it wrong
strugglecuddles
The narrative that it is about two different races and not about a lack of police accountability in use of force against minorities is false
LearnSomething
Before even checking to see if they had the right person. Police in the country have WAY too much power.
LearnSomething
It's definitely not about race. My very white, blonde, blue eyed boyfriend was dragged out of his car and had a gun put to his head because1
revcleo
The US police are out of control with all people, but they fuck up with black people and native americans proportionally more than others.
LearnSomething
This recent land dispute.
LearnSomething
No you just don't hear about it unless they're black. The media is race baiting. We never even heard about it with native Americans until 1
revcleo
Maybe you need to actually listen to people instead of the media? There's been the autistic guy, and the teen recently tased to death.
LearnSomething
He and his car matched the description of a guy they were looking for. He's never been arrested, has no record, but they put a gun on him2
JimNeverHasASecondCupOfCoffeeAtHome
Correct. Speaks to training/inability to perform in high pressure situations, regardless of who they're shooting. There's the problem imo.
runciterassociates
The problem occurs when people, after being stopped by police, brandish weapons, and/or don't follow instructions and kneel with hands up.
LearnSomething
Training, I think, is the big issue. As a veteran, these guys are all fucked up on so many levels.
revcleo
Doesn't the US have: If you're too unstable to be a soldier, join the force, if you're too unstable for that, be a prison guard?
Liquidbullets
Not really. In fact a high % of both cops and correctional officers were military
revcleo
dishonourable discharges? That would explain your prison abuse rate.
kantorr
It is 100% about race baiting. When was the last time you saw a white guy make natl news? 50% of police shootings are white.
NotFarEnough
Many want all extrajudicial police killings to be addressed. But generally there's less fear of police from whites, so less outrage
NotFarEnough
We haven't seen a white guy make the news because there isn't a long-standing underlying tension between whites and police/authorities
HighlySexualLobster
Is that number adjusted to account for the difference in population size?
ArcaneConjecture
No, because that would imply @kantorr understood basic statistics.
HighlySexualLobster
Im no hangman, i just sell people rope.
BattloidKouji
Point of interest I found while researching this. This police department got body cams a year ago, but in 3 of the 4 most recent (1)
boxproject
People working within institutions such as a police force don't see the race of their members : . the race of the officer is irrelevant
BattloidKouji
more accurately, the race is "blue" not black or white or hispanic.
boxproject
Yes.
DeadSeaSalty
There's a simple explanation. Plain clothes undercovers were serving a warrant, they don't wear body cams b/c of their undercoverness.
spiderqueendemon
Button-style body cameras are quite subtle and can be had for surprisingly cheap. Do they not watch 'Leverage'?
Areyouin44
Exactly
BattloidKouji
shootings, the body cams were off. I swear I'm not a tin-foil hat kind of guy, but that seems fairly fishy to me. Either way, what's the (2)
BattloidKouji
point of body cams if they don't work 3/4 of the time? Kind of a waste of money. (3)
bamcockseverywhere
That's not tinfoil. Body cams have a funny habit of running out of juice before some shit goes down.
fuckusingimguronaphoneitsucks
Like the case where the cop kicked the man he ran over and later stated that "I thought my dashcam was broken"
aflyingtrout
Scottish cop here. I have a body cam fucker falls off, fails to record, accidentally records me having a slash all the time
aflyingtrout
Sometimes it works however and has covered my arse amazingly and looked shit hot in court
BattloidKouji
Huh, thanks for the insight, gives me a different perspective on them.
kasaku
They also increase deaths: http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2016/08/12/study-links-police-bodycams-to-increase-in-shooting-deaths/
Areyouin44
I work for that department and can say that the nastiest calls happen the fastest and its hard to turn the camera on in a fight 1/2
Areyouin44
2/2 I have had times where someone got the drop on me because I was messing with the camera trying to turn it on
ShowMeYourButtonhole
The cams should always be on and streaming to the cloud. Cops should not have the ability to decide and should be penalized for tampering.
nclu
Good info. Sounds like the cams should be more like the dash-cam that records on a loop until you hit "save".
BattloidKouji
thanks for the info. I was unaware of this. seems like the tech has a long way to go.