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Loadie25
I toured around many a general in KAF, they didn't want to leave their nice accommodations, but were more than happy to get a 30 day medal.
CandidGamera
Hey now, don't spread lies. These brave soldiers are getting their purple hearts and posthumous medals, so everybody wins.
JeagerAB343
Y'all do know that all, and I mean all officers start at Lt rank then work their way up. This kind of bullshit is only for the uninformed.
gruessner358
Say what you will, the people on the side are still saluting those who are injured. If someone sacrifices for you, don't ignore it.
ChicksDigTrucks
It's the chain I go get and beat you with till you realize who's in ruttin' command here.
welluhwhatdoyouwantmetosay
Shit runs downhill. Medals run uphill.
HatredandVitriol
Reading anarchist trying to organize on reddit is the most hilarious thing.
AnonymousBach
They sent forth men to battle, But no such men return; And home, to claim their welcome, Come ashes in an urn
Onlyhereforthelaughs
Was hoping this would be a touching piece. The new soldiers saluting the generals, and then the generals saluting the wounded/dead.
negriro
never change
Nullspeak
this is the chain of pretty much all of america
ItsBelvie
Depends who you fight for, was either WW1 or 2 where the British lost about 80 generals to frontline combat
Tikityler
Patton actually was out in front on occasion ahead of his troops because he thought they were too slow so he forced them to catch up to him.
wouldrecommend watching Lindybeige's video on it https://youtu.be/GrauBQf7FpI
iamwang
So you’d send the generals into combat?
gionathano
Fuck war and weapons!
lawideas
r/im14andthisisdeep
ReallyGoodBee
I can't imagine how this shit made the front page. It's so ridiculously heavy-handed.
FatherHulk
r/regurgitatingclichedphrases
r/youhaveagoodpoint but r/imnotveryoriginal
foxfire1112
This would be the subreddit of all of imgur
bjorklund
Comic by someone that likely never served.
Dreadric
This could be applied in workplaces aswell
GeneralArtek
The chain of command exists for a reason though: the higher ranks are supposed to be the strategists. You dont want your genius general dead
While I agree with the sentiment and am anti-war in general. War isn't as simple as the old telling the young to die, every nation needs 1/2
defense and soldiers for protection. The old and experienced are usually in no condition to fight and lead those who are able as best 2/3
they can. There hasn't been a draft in the US since the 70's and soldiers freely join the military knowing the realities of war. 3/4
It is a necessary evil for the young and strong to fight and die to protect the weak and the innocent. 4/4
apercent
Impkying field officers do nothing
Cereaza
Those are not field officers.
ProbablyDrunkAgain
The field officers are in the caskets
jameretief
Company grade, most likely. More LT's die than any other grade of officer, followed closely by CPT.
Is it because there are more LT's than any other grade of officer, followed by CPT? Perhaps the types of jobs they do.
PKallday
They're most commonly the lowest ranking officer, excluding cadets. Often platoon commanders of ~30 men in the field.
Captains are usually the second in charge for a company (three platoons), behind majors.
Imhereforthelurking
Would that be due to inexperience meeting command responsibilities?
The CPT won't quit when the enemy is strong about his men. He directs them, yet in the heat of the moment he also defends them.
When the 18y/o PVT you put on point gets gut-shot and the medic gets hit, it was likely the LT would get up and try to get them.
Officers are not perfect. They can be self-serving pricks. Just like everyone else. You apparently have no military experience or class.
I don't get how he's out of sync either. LT's are the lowest rank officers. They have the least experience.
No personal military experience. It was a genuine question. When LTs are described as privates with degrees consistently, I had questions.
A2DY79
This looks like the kind of cartoon that someone who has never served in the military would make. Marine officers were hard chargers.
KamSolastor
Pretty much every commander I’ve had was the kind who’d be right beside us in the shit
Rangermcclure
This isn't about leaders not fighting with lower soldiers, its about how the lower ranks do not get the recognition they deserve.
Generals do not need medals, they are already generals. Obviously they were recognized enough to make it.
shoulkion
They gained 2 people
kibateo
clearly it means the generals died and got replaced by fatter generals
grinner
This was a rescue mission, but also a trap. The hostages have been killed during the confrontation, but the boys brought them back home.
darksniperknight
Damn Fuze.
WasabiLord
-500 Hostage Killed
May The Lord Tachanka guide their souls.
zinvader
hearts and minds
Mechanicbutthole
If you havent been drafted you signed up for this mate. War is no joke. You will get wounded, either physically or mentally. No two ways
rufisium
I think you missed the point of this. At least your comment leads me to believe that.
The point is that there's something wrong with how soldiers are sent out and come back wounded, if at all. But that is what you sign up for.
No man, the soldiers go out and get messed up. Whereas the officers get the awards and are also unscathed.
Ferrumkit
I'll take "Humanitarian Missions" for 500 Alex.
minkuschild
"Im in the military( therefore "better" than you even though killing innocent civilians) you should feel sry for these dumbass obideint dogs
JasonForge
Did I really just read that?
justalerker
I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. Wrong and fuckin' stupid.
5P4C3M4N
therealsalvi
If you don't mind me asking what's you're profession?
He or she doesn't have one probably.
TheBigBastard
Go fuck yourself.
StopAskingMeForAnAccountImgurIWannaLurk
100PercentLatex
I would argue this but you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about
Your 100% right downvoters. The people who dropped bombs on hiro/naga werent given medals at all! Even though, children on fire balh blah
RoboPencil
Your downy is overwhelming
TheGhostMinx
Japan started it when they bombed Pearl Harbor when we weren’t even in the war
MajorasFall
Wut? Roosevelt did everything short of declaring war to instigate conflict. Severed all trade with Japan, funneled millions 1/2
SanSilv
The Japs were slaughtering Chinese civilians left and right, was he wrong notnto cut ties?
Of dollars into the Russian and British war machines, and publicly denounced the Axis powers.
Or do yiu think that the like tens of millions of Chinese that the Japanese killed didn't die?
Unverified
I was in the military, I never killed anyone.
ThisCommentWillGetMeBannedAgain
I think the more relevant question is whether you entered the military knowing that you could get killed/injured, and chose to do it anyway?
The same way you enter a motor vehicle knowing you could get killed/injured? Yes.
Driving a motor vehicle is pretty much a requirement. Unless you live in a city where stuff is within walking distance.
the classic "I have no experience in this subject but I still have shit to talk"
Cheomesh
Yep - this isn't the 1940s anymore. Everyone knows what they're getting themselves in for, these days.
DrSlapAlot
That's simply not true. It's fun to say etc but go into a recruiters office at 17 and listen to their speeches and watch the over glorified
Wat movies we have and tell me that there aren't young men who want to be heroes etc that have no idea that war is a pointless and ugly
Thing that takes your friends, best years, blah blah. Alot of these kids have no idea what signing up for that shit means other than money
And maybe a free education.
murphyslaw101
Regardless someone has to do that job..for some it is a way out others are just proud to serve what county doesn't have a standing military?
Brocktooon
That's a shitty attitude.
Can choose to do so. Don't volunteer for a job you're not willing to do. It's grown up stuff.
It's the truth though, there's a reason we have combat arms MOS's. Those who either aren't skilled enough to do desk work or want that
Volunteers. All of you - volunteers.
sdakfsdfkjh
JEFFERSOOOOOOOOOOOON AIRPLAAAAAAAAAAAANE
KevinBaconsToasterOven
This artist definitely served in the military.
You definitely didn't, and neither did the artist.
Well. Unless it's an artist from a non-US country, or a 40-50 year old picture. But if it's something recent, then it's bullshit.
Annon350
If you want to find the private I know where he is
PigsCanJump
You can tell which one has gonorrhea?
WhatsUnderMyKilt
Yeah, he's with the Sgt. trying to find the lost Lt.
unfrzn
he is hanging on the old barbed wire..
Somebody got it
misterwit
Unpopular opinion: If you joined the military expecting to walk away unharmed with tons of medals (1/2)
you're probably air force. (2/2)
No, you're delusional.
tzahtman
Some officers are in the field, some aren't. I mean look at Lt. Dan he was with his men in the field.
Piscivore
By he's not outstanding.
Mrbrown512
Idk by the end he was standing
Jameszombob
Parts of him still are...
cultist234
SPQAAE
Get down..Shut Up!
ensensu
I hope those parts grew up into LT. Dan clones.
finstad4
JoshOfTheDeep
That was a joke, but it hurt...bad
IronicContradiction
I can tell you most officers are in the field. Officer up to captain are in the field, and that constitutes the majority of officers
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
In the navy, virtually everyone is at sea.
n8stuffNthings
Except the shoremates.
azazelthegoat
LT. DAN AYCE CREAM!
BitchButcher
Colonel O'Neill is also always in the first line.
badtickletouch
BUT LT DAN YOU AINT GOT NO LEGS!
UglyHorribleGrouchyOldMan
That's the difference between Company, Field, and General officers as well as the term Staff officer.
NUCLEARMOOSEES
But now he aint got no legs
CoinsareBinaryDice
CGOs vs FGOs
m1k3tv
That movie proves it i guess.
copingcabana
in the end, he didn't have a leg to stand on.
Jeanes223
The break down is company grade, field grade, and general officers. LT. Dan was a company grade officer. Band of Brother shows the 1/2
Transition of Weahters from a company grade to a field grade. There is interaction between him and General officers. Helps to understand.
RLupine
I still think that the ones who send ppl to fight should be fighting along side them
Paperclipfarm
Commissioned officers generally do for the first few years if its a combat unit.
And when all your commanders and officers dies who will lead your troops? Besides, every general has been through this already. Its dumb to
Your capable men on the frontlines becuase of some feelings. Believe it or not, dying is part of the job as a soldier.
MrMagoobar
Generals used to have the highest rates of death because they would lead the charge
EADimgur
Then armies realized sending your best educated and most experienced in the art of Tactics and Strategies to the front line wasn't the best.
MySpiritAnimalIsTheUnpopularOpinionPuffin
The ones sending them did fight. They worked their way up to their position by being smart and surviving. Loss of life is NOT the intent.
He got deferments for bone spurs.
GeorgeHWBushsGhost
But you can't serve if you have that????
"If".
Well does he? None of us have access to his medical records so we can't necessarily call it into question.
GenGeorgePatton
Maybe he should realise them then, since he is so fond of calling for other to do so.
HiddenSanity
If he had bone spurs then, how well do you think he'd be walking now at his age/weight?
rando84
Barring noncombat specialties (medical, legal, engineering, etc.), most generals start out as infantry platoon leaders or a similar role (1
in a different combat unit. Air Force generals are almost always pilots early on. Navy CO's serve on the same ships as their subordinates (2
Yeah, that's a great idea. So like, that 60 year old veteran who knows exactly how to command should die because he can't run fast.
it's hilarious that you're getting downvoted for saying that
Jeutnarg
Almost every war in history, the officer corps has a higher casualty %, especially at the lowest level. Civil War was especially brutal 1/?
on officers, even at the general level. Gettysburg saw massive casualties for general officers. Generals stopped being casualties only once-
wars became so large-scale that you physically couldn't lead from the front lines. And even then, only the highest officers were that safe
Commanders are those who fought and survived.
Since this is a democracy - off you go then.
dondeestaelsanitario
Does the CEO of a car company work on the assembly line?
whatsisname
Working the assembly line generally doesn't get you killed or maimed, and has extensive laws to ensure it stays that way.
8gigsofshark
> Assuming companies don't get away with blatant safety violations day in and day out
benderbendingbanannapants
Does the CEO need to know how it works, and what happens when a finger gets stuck in the belt?
toastedspikes
Of course.
KarlRoyGabriel
They ought to be able to at the very least. They should be able to and be so damned good at it that it'd be a waste to put them there.
BuddhaTJ
Do they? No. Should they? Yes. Maybe not full time but at least understand the struggles and frustrations of each and every job.
2graves
A good leader knows and understands every job and role in their organization
ikagawa
Eh, not necessarily. A good leader can also recognize their ignorance/shortcomings and hire the right person to alleviate the fault.
I'd agree with that. Good for the CEO to appreciate the hard workers....or find efficiencies.
TheGreatGreens
Part of the idea behind that one show Undercover Boss if I understand it correctly.
So you're saying someone who earned the right for their position doesn't deserve it? That they built a company that gave hundreds or
thousands of people jobs, they are just some rich asshole? Fuck off with that entitled bullshit right there.
Keairan
Many times CEOs don't remember the difficulties of being a peon, or never knew. For example, all the jobs where it would be easy to (1)
Or just inherited it from daddy, who got it from his daddy who built the company.
Even then, running a company is easy. Running a company well is very difficult.
So it's their fault being born. Got it.
bettertunga
the concept is honorable but we kinda need ensure those people stay alive
You don't know anything about the modern military. Marine officers are right there in the thick of it.
This is dumb and not realistic at al
krinklemane
What's the point of the commander dies?
Ekibwurm
perhaps the point is that if it wasnt good enough to survive, it wasnt good enough to lead.
AxelYamanaka
Don't need to be an MMA champ to win chess
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Artillery was the biggest killer in ww2, Korea, and Vietnam. Skill doesn't matter quite as much as it used too.
JakefromStateFarmTx
That’s the hard part about enlisted service, mission accomplishment has to be more important than the man from time to time
SnoBored
Or got hit by a stray bullet. It can be the best plan possible and people still die. Thats a reality of war. The questioning should be on
Those who started the war in the first place. Thats why retired generals should not serve in political roles. Keep the two areas separate
Exempting positions like Minister of Defence which the experience is valuable for.
Thats retarded
you guys are too serious and missing the joke
Lemme hit you with that Erwin Rommel. Good boy Rommel
Leading from the front meant that his command post moved with his unit. He wasn't in the trenches or fighting his tank or whatever
[deleted]
Im nearly certain they have not
IdeletedmyoldaccountandIneedanewonetoupvotethings
There's not a single officer at the field grade level that hasn't already put in 10+ years with the troops. That's how promotions work.
As in every thread on Imgur about the military, there's a bunch've know nothing civilian dumbasses who have a dated view of the culture.
I dare anyone to tell General Mattis he hasn't done enough time to earn his rank.
This x10000000
Integretas
This
Loadie25
I toured around many a general in KAF, they didn't want to leave their nice accommodations, but were more than happy to get a 30 day medal.
CandidGamera
Hey now, don't spread lies. These brave soldiers are getting their purple hearts and posthumous medals, so everybody wins.
JeagerAB343
Y'all do know that all, and I mean all officers start at Lt rank then work their way up. This kind of bullshit is only for the uninformed.
gruessner358
Say what you will, the people on the side are still saluting those who are injured. If someone sacrifices for you, don't ignore it.
ChicksDigTrucks
It's the chain I go get and beat you with till you realize who's in ruttin' command here.
welluhwhatdoyouwantmetosay
Shit runs downhill. Medals run uphill.
HatredandVitriol
Reading anarchist trying to organize on reddit is the most hilarious thing.
AnonymousBach
They sent forth men to battle, But no such men return; And home, to claim their welcome, Come ashes in an urn
Onlyhereforthelaughs
Was hoping this would be a touching piece. The new soldiers saluting the generals, and then the generals saluting the wounded/dead.
negriro
never change
Nullspeak
this is the chain of pretty much all of america
ItsBelvie
Depends who you fight for, was either WW1 or 2 where the British lost about 80 generals to frontline combat
Tikityler
Patton actually was out in front on occasion ahead of his troops because he thought they were too slow so he forced them to catch up to him.
ItsBelvie
wouldrecommend watching Lindybeige's video on it https://youtu.be/GrauBQf7FpI
iamwang
So you’d send the generals into combat?
gionathano
Fuck war and weapons!
lawideas
r/im14andthisisdeep
ReallyGoodBee
I can't imagine how this shit made the front page. It's so ridiculously heavy-handed.
FatherHulk
r/regurgitatingclichedphrases
lawideas
r/youhaveagoodpoint but r/imnotveryoriginal
foxfire1112
This would be the subreddit of all of imgur
bjorklund
Comic by someone that likely never served.
Dreadric
This could be applied in workplaces aswell
GeneralArtek
The chain of command exists for a reason though: the higher ranks are supposed to be the strategists. You dont want your genius general dead
FatherHulk
While I agree with the sentiment and am anti-war in general. War isn't as simple as the old telling the young to die, every nation needs 1/2
FatherHulk
defense and soldiers for protection. The old and experienced are usually in no condition to fight and lead those who are able as best 2/3
FatherHulk
they can. There hasn't been a draft in the US since the 70's and soldiers freely join the military knowing the realities of war. 3/4
FatherHulk
It is a necessary evil for the young and strong to fight and die to protect the weak and the innocent. 4/4
apercent
Impkying field officers do nothing
Cereaza
Those are not field officers.
ProbablyDrunkAgain
The field officers are in the caskets
jameretief
Company grade, most likely. More LT's die than any other grade of officer, followed closely by CPT.
Cereaza
Is it because there are more LT's than any other grade of officer, followed by CPT? Perhaps the types of jobs they do.
PKallday
They're most commonly the lowest ranking officer, excluding cadets. Often platoon commanders of ~30 men in the field.
PKallday
Captains are usually the second in charge for a company (three platoons), behind majors.
Imhereforthelurking
Would that be due to inexperience meeting command responsibilities?
jameretief
The CPT won't quit when the enemy is strong about his men. He directs them, yet in the heat of the moment he also defends them.
jameretief
When the 18y/o PVT you put on point gets gut-shot and the medic gets hit, it was likely the LT would get up and try to get them.
jameretief
Officers are not perfect. They can be self-serving pricks. Just like everyone else. You apparently have no military experience or class.
Cereaza
I don't get how he's out of sync either. LT's are the lowest rank officers. They have the least experience.
Imhereforthelurking
No personal military experience. It was a genuine question. When LTs are described as privates with degrees consistently, I had questions.
A2DY79
This looks like the kind of cartoon that someone who has never served in the military would make. Marine officers were hard chargers.
KamSolastor
Pretty much every commander I’ve had was the kind who’d be right beside us in the shit
Rangermcclure
This isn't about leaders not fighting with lower soldiers, its about how the lower ranks do not get the recognition they deserve.
Rangermcclure
Generals do not need medals, they are already generals. Obviously they were recognized enough to make it.
shoulkion
They gained 2 people
kibateo
clearly it means the generals died and got replaced by fatter generals
grinner
This was a rescue mission, but also a trap. The hostages have been killed during the confrontation, but the boys brought them back home.
darksniperknight
Damn Fuze.
WasabiLord
-500 Hostage Killed
darksniperknight
May The Lord Tachanka guide their souls.
zinvader
hearts and minds
Mechanicbutthole
If you havent been drafted you signed up for this mate. War is no joke. You will get wounded, either physically or mentally. No two ways
rufisium
I think you missed the point of this. At least your comment leads me to believe that.
CandidGamera
The point is that there's something wrong with how soldiers are sent out and come back wounded, if at all. But that is what you sign up for.
rufisium
No man, the soldiers go out and get messed up. Whereas the officers get the awards and are also unscathed.
Ferrumkit
I'll take "Humanitarian Missions" for 500 Alex.
minkuschild
"Im in the military( therefore "better" than you even though killing innocent civilians) you should feel sry for these dumbass obideint dogs
JasonForge
Did I really just read that?
justalerker
I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. Wrong and fuckin' stupid.
5P4C3M4N
therealsalvi
If you don't mind me asking what's you're profession?
JeagerAB343
He or she doesn't have one probably.
TheBigBastard
Go fuck yourself.
StopAskingMeForAnAccountImgurIWannaLurk
100PercentLatex
I would argue this but you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about
minkuschild
Your 100% right downvoters. The people who dropped bombs on hiro/naga werent given medals at all! Even though, children on fire balh blah
RoboPencil
Your downy is overwhelming
TheGhostMinx
5P4C3M4N
Japan started it when they bombed Pearl Harbor when we weren’t even in the war
MajorasFall
Wut? Roosevelt did everything short of declaring war to instigate conflict. Severed all trade with Japan, funneled millions 1/2
SanSilv
The Japs were slaughtering Chinese civilians left and right, was he wrong notnto cut ties?
MajorasFall
Of dollars into the Russian and British war machines, and publicly denounced the Axis powers.
SanSilv
Or do yiu think that the like tens of millions of Chinese that the Japanese killed didn't die?
Unverified
I was in the military, I never killed anyone.
ThisCommentWillGetMeBannedAgain
I think the more relevant question is whether you entered the military knowing that you could get killed/injured, and chose to do it anyway?
Unverified
The same way you enter a motor vehicle knowing you could get killed/injured? Yes.
ThisCommentWillGetMeBannedAgain
Driving a motor vehicle is pretty much a requirement. Unless you live in a city where stuff is within walking distance.
StopAskingMeForAnAccountImgurIWannaLurk
Cheomesh
Yep - this isn't the 1940s anymore. Everyone knows what they're getting themselves in for, these days.
DrSlapAlot
That's simply not true. It's fun to say etc but go into a recruiters office at 17 and listen to their speeches and watch the over glorified
DrSlapAlot
Wat movies we have and tell me that there aren't young men who want to be heroes etc that have no idea that war is a pointless and ugly
DrSlapAlot
Thing that takes your friends, best years, blah blah. Alot of these kids have no idea what signing up for that shit means other than money
DrSlapAlot
And maybe a free education.
murphyslaw101
Regardless someone has to do that job..for some it is a way out others are just proud to serve what county doesn't have a standing military?
Brocktooon
That's a shitty attitude.
JeagerAB343
Can choose to do so. Don't volunteer for a job you're not willing to do. It's grown up stuff.
JeagerAB343
It's the truth though, there's a reason we have combat arms MOS's. Those who either aren't skilled enough to do desk work or want that
Cheomesh
Volunteers. All of you - volunteers.
sdakfsdfkjh
JEFFERSOOOOOOOOOOOON AIRPLAAAAAAAAAAAANE
KevinBaconsToasterOven
This artist definitely served in the military.
A2DY79
You definitely didn't, and neither did the artist.
A2DY79
Well. Unless it's an artist from a non-US country, or a 40-50 year old picture. But if it's something recent, then it's bullshit.
Annon350
If you want to find the private I know where he is
PigsCanJump
You can tell which one has gonorrhea?
WhatsUnderMyKilt
Yeah, he's with the Sgt. trying to find the lost Lt.
unfrzn
he is hanging on the old barbed wire..
Annon350
Somebody got it
misterwit
Unpopular opinion: If you joined the military expecting to walk away unharmed with tons of medals (1/2)
misterwit
you're probably air force. (2/2)
ProbablyDrunkAgain
No, you're delusional.
tzahtman
Some officers are in the field, some aren't. I mean look at Lt. Dan he was with his men in the field.
Piscivore
By he's not outstanding.
Mrbrown512
Idk by the end he was standing
Jameszombob
Parts of him still are...
cultist234
SPQAAE
Get down..Shut Up!
ensensu
I hope those parts grew up into LT. Dan clones.
finstad4
JoshOfTheDeep
That was a joke, but it hurt...bad
IronicContradiction
I can tell you most officers are in the field. Officer up to captain are in the field, and that constitutes the majority of officers
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
In the navy, virtually everyone is at sea.
n8stuffNthings
Except the shoremates.
azazelthegoat
LT. DAN AYCE CREAM!
BitchButcher
Colonel O'Neill is also always in the first line.
badtickletouch
BUT LT DAN YOU AINT GOT NO LEGS!
UglyHorribleGrouchyOldMan
That's the difference between Company, Field, and General officers as well as the term Staff officer.
NUCLEARMOOSEES
But now he aint got no legs
CoinsareBinaryDice
CGOs vs FGOs
m1k3tv
That movie proves it i guess.
copingcabana
in the end, he didn't have a leg to stand on.
Jeanes223
The break down is company grade, field grade, and general officers. LT. Dan was a company grade officer. Band of Brother shows the 1/2
Jeanes223
Transition of Weahters from a company grade to a field grade. There is interaction between him and General officers. Helps to understand.
RLupine
I still think that the ones who send ppl to fight should be fighting along side them
Paperclipfarm
Commissioned officers generally do for the first few years if its a combat unit.
Mechanicbutthole
And when all your commanders and officers dies who will lead your troops? Besides, every general has been through this already. Its dumb to
Mechanicbutthole
Your capable men on the frontlines becuase of some feelings. Believe it or not, dying is part of the job as a soldier.
MrMagoobar
Generals used to have the highest rates of death because they would lead the charge
EADimgur
Then armies realized sending your best educated and most experienced in the art of Tactics and Strategies to the front line wasn't the best.
MySpiritAnimalIsTheUnpopularOpinionPuffin
The ones sending them did fight. They worked their way up to their position by being smart and surviving. Loss of life is NOT the intent.
Piscivore
He got deferments for bone spurs.
GeorgeHWBushsGhost
But you can't serve if you have that????
Piscivore
"If".
GeorgeHWBushsGhost
Well does he? None of us have access to his medical records so we can't necessarily call it into question.
GenGeorgePatton
Maybe he should realise them then, since he is so fond of calling for other to do so.
HiddenSanity
If he had bone spurs then, how well do you think he'd be walking now at his age/weight?
rando84
Barring noncombat specialties (medical, legal, engineering, etc.), most generals start out as infantry platoon leaders or a similar role (1
rando84
in a different combat unit. Air Force generals are almost always pilots early on. Navy CO's serve on the same ships as their subordinates (2
lawideas
Yeah, that's a great idea. So like, that 60 year old veteran who knows exactly how to command should die because he can't run fast.
foxfire1112
it's hilarious that you're getting downvoted for saying that
Jeutnarg
Almost every war in history, the officer corps has a higher casualty %, especially at the lowest level. Civil War was especially brutal 1/?
Jeutnarg
on officers, even at the general level. Gettysburg saw massive casualties for general officers. Generals stopped being casualties only once-
Jeutnarg
wars became so large-scale that you physically couldn't lead from the front lines. And even then, only the highest officers were that safe
FatherHulk
Commanders are those who fought and survived.
CandidGamera
Since this is a democracy - off you go then.
dondeestaelsanitario
Does the CEO of a car company work on the assembly line?
whatsisname
Working the assembly line generally doesn't get you killed or maimed, and has extensive laws to ensure it stays that way.
8gigsofshark
> Assuming companies don't get away with blatant safety violations day in and day out
benderbendingbanannapants
Does the CEO need to know how it works, and what happens when a finger gets stuck in the belt?
toastedspikes
Of course.
KarlRoyGabriel
They ought to be able to at the very least. They should be able to and be so damned good at it that it'd be a waste to put them there.
BuddhaTJ
Do they? No. Should they? Yes. Maybe not full time but at least understand the struggles and frustrations of each and every job.
2graves
A good leader knows and understands every job and role in their organization
ikagawa
Eh, not necessarily. A good leader can also recognize their ignorance/shortcomings and hire the right person to alleviate the fault.
dondeestaelsanitario
I'd agree with that. Good for the CEO to appreciate the hard workers....or find efficiencies.
TheGreatGreens
Part of the idea behind that one show Undercover Boss if I understand it correctly.
MySpiritAnimalIsTheUnpopularOpinionPuffin
So you're saying someone who earned the right for their position doesn't deserve it? That they built a company that gave hundreds or
MySpiritAnimalIsTheUnpopularOpinionPuffin
thousands of people jobs, they are just some rich asshole? Fuck off with that entitled bullshit right there.
Keairan
Many times CEOs don't remember the difficulties of being a peon, or never knew. For example, all the jobs where it would be easy to (1)
Piscivore
Or just inherited it from daddy, who got it from his daddy who built the company.
GeorgeHWBushsGhost
Even then, running a company is easy. Running a company well is very difficult.
MySpiritAnimalIsTheUnpopularOpinionPuffin
So it's their fault being born. Got it.
bettertunga
the concept is honorable but we kinda need ensure those people stay alive
A2DY79
You don't know anything about the modern military. Marine officers are right there in the thick of it.
foxfire1112
This is dumb and not realistic at al
krinklemane
What's the point of the commander dies?
Ekibwurm
perhaps the point is that if it wasnt good enough to survive, it wasnt good enough to lead.
AxelYamanaka
Don't need to be an MMA champ to win chess
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Artillery was the biggest killer in ww2, Korea, and Vietnam. Skill doesn't matter quite as much as it used too.
JakefromStateFarmTx
That’s the hard part about enlisted service, mission accomplishment has to be more important than the man from time to time
SnoBored
Or got hit by a stray bullet. It can be the best plan possible and people still die. Thats a reality of war. The questioning should be on
SnoBored
Those who started the war in the first place. Thats why retired generals should not serve in political roles. Keep the two areas separate
SnoBored
Exempting positions like Minister of Defence which the experience is valuable for.
Mechanicbutthole
Thats retarded
Ekibwurm
you guys are too serious and missing the joke
RoboPencil
Lemme hit you with that Erwin Rommel. Good boy Rommel
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Leading from the front meant that his command post moved with his unit. He wasn't in the trenches or fighting his tank or whatever
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foxfire1112
Im nearly certain they have not
IdeletedmyoldaccountandIneedanewonetoupvotethings
There's not a single officer at the field grade level that hasn't already put in 10+ years with the troops. That's how promotions work.
A2DY79
As in every thread on Imgur about the military, there's a bunch've know nothing civilian dumbasses who have a dated view of the culture.
misterwit
I dare anyone to tell General Mattis he hasn't done enough time to earn his rank.
foxfire1112
This x10000000
Integretas
This