Current Repub party allows a stark contrast between their Trump focused shit and someone actually focused on his constituency. And doing it effectively. Not just talk and that "in two weeks" bullshit.
“You’re job is to sow hate and destruction like jingling keys so these fucking geezers buy gold coins and mortgage their paid off house for predatory loans on commercial breaks”
President would be a waste for him anyways, as the executive does not rule and write laws (with the exception of this one who is trying and only allowed by the purposeful destruction of our system). I would rather see him as a congressional leader that inspires his party to do what is right.
Nah, there are aspects of socialism which are good, there are times where socialism should be applied, and there are times where free markets and capitalism are better. Excludable, rivalrous goods are generally best in a free market - people aren't really benefited if, say, furniture-making is socialized.
And there's a trail from Senator McCarthy's Red Scare tactics to Roy Cohen the self hating gay who was McCarthy's chief counsel as well as mentor to the Marigold Menace.
Its funny, they literally spent more than what thry would have lost with socialism. Its all for control. They hate the poor and want people to stay poor and miserable because its the only way they get off.
understand that with all of these progressive candidates running. the dems and pedos arent scared about their policies failing and destroying the country, they are scared that the policies will actually work and improve the live of people and they will become too popular. when that happens, their gravy train starts coming off the tracks.
Who the fuck's downvoting this?? It's a picture with some text overlaid, stolen from a literal satire post that is tagged "satire," which has been cropped. Don't be MAGA, embracing everything b/c of emotion with no logic, folks.
Holy shit, look at all these comments asking for source. 🥹 You gorgeous, gorgeous people. You give me hope that we can overcome vile misinformation and its purveyors. THANK YOU
Because they hear 'Socialism' and have a Reagan-esque meltdown about shit they misunderstand due to decades-long brainwashing and misinformation FROM FOX NEWS ! !
It's fake. As a community, we gotta stop upvoting this kind of shit. You can tell at a glance it's at best unverifiable garbage and straight up circle jerking propaganda at worst.
Ask yourself, who's reporting this? Who are the sources? When did this happen? If absolutely none of these questions are answered in the post, down vote it. Simple as that.
This is why I took a break from imgur... I don't think there's a need to exaggerate or lie to make Fox/Trump/Republicans look ridiculous... yet it always gets so much clout on here.
Democratic Socialism is just the way to do things now. The happiest countries in the world are following this model. You still have your free enterprise and private business ownership, but then you tax them to pay for social programs, food security, and housing for all.
And if they don't want to pay taxes on profits, they can just put it back into the business, and actually pay their employees better. Best kind of tax avoidance.
But the socialist democratic trans commies are going to force sex change surgeries on your children every single day. Monday you will have a son, Tuesday you will have a daughter, and on Wednesday you'll have a son again! They're going to pay for all of these surgeries by redirecting funds from school supplies thus forcing the teachers to buy their own chalk and pencils. /S
Thats Social Democracy, not Democratic Socialism. While their aims are very similar, their end goals are vastly different. Social Democracy seeks to change the capitalist system to be more humane through the use of government, regulations, and public safety nets where Democratic Socialism ultimate seeks to move to a post capitalistic society.
Please tell that to our shit ass right wing government in Finland that's trying to privatize everything and cut all social securities and give the biggest corporations the biggest tax cuts while raising taxes for the poor.
That sounds more like another good reason why rent control is ALSO required (and exists as far as i know in some form in most social democratic countries already).
100% agree. I agree with a lot of anarchist/leftist ideas too but when they talk about how we need to "burn it all down" "destroy capitalism" or whatever that always seems like a non-solution... what system will we build after we burn it all down? Some sort of democratic socialism seems the best idea to me, and maybe we should just start building that system, right now, incrementally, as much as possible, without the mass suffering and death that a total collapse/revolution would cause??
The thing that has constantly baffled me about the American push against tax funded healthcare is that it would "cost thousands of jobs in the private health industry."
But like... private healthcare still exists in countries with public healthcare. It's just forced to compete with the functionally free alternative that everyone has access to, so it can't just decide to charge you $3,000 for a checkup and two paracetomol.
Its what we did when they think of Make America Great Again, thats whats so fucking stupid about it all. That era they think of when they the boomers were young, was a product of democratic socialism after FDR'S New Deal after the Robber Baron's did the same shit in the 20's. They just assumed it was the racism of that time, lol.
A large part of the western world was thinking that since Reagan. I remember being a child learning about how you live and treat each other. I never wanted to be a cowboy ever since.
Well, most of western world has been dependent on the USA since WWII. And the states knew it and forced their propaganda upon them. Even the ones who knew better couldn't speak out openly without being sanctioned by the mightiest nation of the world. And they still have to lick their boots until they become fully independent.
Nah, full on socialism is the way to do things. Social equity and social advancement is better than maintaining capitalism. Democratic socialism is better than nothing, absolutely for sure, 100%. It should only be used as a desperate lily pad to sit on before immediately moving to full socialism. If it doesn't, then it will be regulatorily captured and undermined by capitalism.
Can't call yourself a leftist without AKTUALLYing other leftists. Come one guys, where's the communists and tankies and anarchists to try to start an argument and undermine progress? People are starting to naturally agree with economically progressive principles, and there are some incredibly successful, charismatic, and decent politicians.
I've worked hard to get to where I am. I like the current social hierarchy and having more than others as a reward for my efforts. We are not all equal. We never were.
Your last post was talking about how some of your friends started acting like they were part a caste system after becoming wealthy. Are you a bot trying to start shit?
Socialism isn't about equality of outcome, it is about equity. Everyone's still different, everyone's issues are just taken care of by a collective effort, and billionaires disappear naturally because no single person is ever allowed to kill thousands to amass a fortune from their work.
You mean the history of america sabotaging any small communist country it could so monopolies.. I mean "unfettered free market capitalism" would look better in comparison? That history?
What happened to all those New Deal programs that brought us out of the great depression? Bet I know better than you. Oh yeah! All of them were infiltrated and subverted, then outright destroyed. Where's all the worker protections? What about the minimum wage FDR advocated for that it should be a wage of decent living? How about that top marginal tax rate of 90% but an effective one of over 50%? Oh yeah. All fucking gone. Because of the capitalists.
Okay, so in your socialist model, is it just the government deciding what does and doesn't get made? Are all businesses owned by the government? Can you earn money by selling art you make?
Wow, they just asked a pretty simple question. If you're so confident that full on Socialism is better than Democratic Socialism you'd think you'd be able to answer a super, SUPER simple question like that at least.
If they even gave the slightest, most marginal shit, they wouldn't have lied that government decides what doesn't get made, or that you might not be able to make money from art. They're not curious about socialism, that is the most transparent straw man of communism imaginable. They are not smart enough to have this conversation.
I'm not telling someone what socialism is, I'm asking how *they* define it. Without a definition, there's no reasonable way to talk about things. I certainly have definitions I use, but that doesn't really matter if I'm interested in what @idiotsonfire thinks - only their definition matters, hence asking those questions.
You mean, the actual definition of socialism? That is the workers owning the means of production, ergo the natural cessation to the existence of gigarich owner caste billionaires? The social contract extending to ensure that everyone's healthcare is taken care of and the social safety net vastly expands so nobody that goes bankrupt loses their home and dies on the street? Fuck you, class traitor.
UnattendedDeviant
Current Repub party allows a stark contrast between their Trump focused shit and someone actually focused on his constituency. And doing it effectively. Not just talk and that "in two weeks" bullshit.
wecouldbehappywithoutcapitalism
“You’re job is to sow hate and destruction like jingling keys so these fucking geezers buy gold coins and mortgage their paid off house for predatory loans on commercial breaks”
Ryyyyyyyan
This is the real reason both the Republicans and establishment Democrats didn't want Mamdani to win. Cause they knew his policies would work.
justheretocommentonce
Hahaha! Go ZM!
MartianWeasel
I wonder if he'll run for prez?
MartianWeasel
Never mind. I just looked it up. Hes not eligible to run.
LittleAzie
President would be a waste for him anyways, as the executive does not rule and write laws (with the exception of this one who is trying and only allowed by the purposeful destruction of our system). I would rather see him as a congressional leader that inspires his party to do what is right.
beaubrent
According to....
liquidriddle
They cropped the bit that states it's satire
mjperk
Got a source for this claim @OP? I am a bit skeptical.
loma45
As you should be, it's satire: /gallery/PoJQL2t/comment/2502284371
mjperk
Thanks! I guess the literalness of my ASD is kicking in this morning. I was not detecting satire lol.
ShadeMeadowsArt
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1dHNkYTA1eXE4ZW9tOGYybWZrMHUzaTRoMDY3MGt5eno5azB0YTg4eSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/ZmTq8rL5vVZdu/200w.webp
Nukls
i mean,
who doesn't
want a politician
to actually do the job
arikelrecords2000
Not everyone has the same idea of what a politicians job is
The GOP (and many others) for instance, think their job is to make as much money as they can
Corporation owners feel a Pols. Job is to make them money and remove any risk from failure for them specifically
Racists and Xeni0hobes think its Pols job to protect the 'right' people, or at least hurt the 'bad' ones
cusbuster
I read that comment in Christopher Walkens' voice.
PostMoThoin
Reading a haiku
Shiznit007
Sauce?
thedeliberatemyth
Love to hear it, but is there any sauce on this slice of pizzohran pie?
ChazzK
"Socialism is that thing where everyone likes everything about it on a conceptual level, until they hear the name."
pgdave
Nah, there are aspects of socialism which are good, there are times where socialism should be applied, and there are times where free markets and capitalism are better. Excludable, rivalrous goods are generally best in a free market - people aren't really benefited if, say, furniture-making is socialized.
khora
source: trust me
DecapodianSaysWoopWoopWoopWoop
Makes you wonder how much money went into marketing to make the word “socialism” have such negative connotations.
innagaddavidababy
The question still needs to be answered. WHO makes financial decisions?
LicensedAdHominem
Literal trillions in current money, very possibly also in old money. Red Scare was bigger than people think.
1stDrunkJoe
And there's a trail from Senator McCarthy's Red Scare tactics to Roy Cohen the self hating gay who was McCarthy's chief counsel as well as mentor to the Marigold Menace.
pandemicmodedad
Its funny, they literally spent more than what thry would have lost with socialism. Its all for control. They hate the poor and want people to stay poor and miserable because its the only way they get off.
LicensedAdHominem
They spent people's money to prevent the system from eating them and their money.
areyouelonmusk
Source please
SaltyInternetPirate
What? You don't trust Charles Xavier?
loma45
It's satire: /gallery/PoJQL2t/comment/2502284371
Default87
understand that with all of these progressive candidates running. the dems and pedos arent scared about their policies failing and destroying the country, they are scared that the policies will actually work and improve the live of people and they will become too popular. when that happens, their gravy train starts coming off the tracks.
uncleputts
Love the story and probably not true anyone said it out loud.
blueipDriver
Listen I love Zohran and really hate Fox. But do you have a source on this?
AndroidSoul
While it's nice to imagine, please remember that this is not true.
Feralkyn
Who the fuck's downvoting this?? It's a picture with some text overlaid, stolen from a literal satire post that is tagged "satire," which has been cropped. Don't be MAGA, embracing everything b/c of emotion with no logic, folks.
16745
What is not true? Which part?
AndroidSoul
The whole thing. This is a source-free social media post and not actual information. Look it up
AndroidSoul
bourbonandbaddecisions
Got into an argument with my brother in law over the fact I voted for democratic socialist during the recent primaries.
McUUID
Holy shit, look at all these comments asking for source. 🥹 You gorgeous, gorgeous people. You give me hope that we can overcome vile misinformation and its purveyors. THANK YOU
Iblamemyparentstoo
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-meltdown-accidentally-makes-172844943.html
softsuit
Stop! It's to good.
MaverickTitan
Ahahahahahahahahahahabahahah!!!
Useyourhead165
I wonder how anyone can work fox news at this point
idiotsonfire
They have no morality, they like hurting people, and they're willing to accept being paid to lie through their teeth and get people killed.
NothingPrince
Money
Quizz25S
"advised". They were told to stop straight up
Feralkyn
Any source that isn't a random image with text overlaid..?
loma45
It's satire: /gallery/PoJQL2t/comment/2502284371
mygodhasabiggerdick
Because they hear 'Socialism' and have a Reagan-esque meltdown about shit they misunderstand due to decades-long brainwashing and misinformation FROM FOX NEWS ! !
See also : https://youtu.be/AYrlDlrLDSQ?si=jhrpBurfHrqMKD6J
Turkeyburst
Source?
Arbitrarynamehere
It's fake. As a community, we gotta stop upvoting this kind of shit. You can tell at a glance it's at best unverifiable garbage and straight up circle jerking propaganda at worst.
Ask yourself, who's reporting this? Who are the sources? When did this happen? If absolutely none of these questions are answered in the post, down vote it. Simple as that.
Iblamemyparentstoo
It's not that false

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-meltdown-accidentally-makes-172844943.html
Arbitrarynamehere
It doesn't matter. The OP is presenting it as an actual breaking news story when it isn't.
McUUID
Lies are rot, I'm with you. Downvoting post. Downvoting anti-truth-promoting comments.
AndroidSoul
Satirical social media post
drjaves
This is why I took a break from imgur... I don't think there's a need to exaggerate or lie to make Fox/Trump/Republicans look ridiculous... yet it always gets so much clout on here.
9z2nf02h
You can make sure your post will go viral by putting the word VIRAL on it
Felderburg
It worked, sort of. It's on most viral here.
canigifinpaint
Democratic Socialism is just the way to do things now. The happiest countries in the world are following this model. You still have your free enterprise and private business ownership, but then you tax them to pay for social programs, food security, and housing for all.
PorneliusHubertII
And if they don't want to pay taxes on profits, they can just put it back into the business, and actually pay their employees better. Best kind of tax avoidance.
Pelican3
Change the name from socialism to neo-capitalism.
BeaverOnFire
But the socialist democratic trans commies are going to force sex change surgeries on your children every single day. Monday you will have a son, Tuesday you will have a daughter, and on Wednesday you'll have a son again! They're going to pay for all of these surgeries by redirecting funds from school supplies thus forcing the teachers to buy their own chalk and pencils. /S
YouRadicalizedMe
Yes sir
IhopeUgetwhatUvoted4
That's what it was like back before Regan.
SpamYarBlockers
“But if you tax them they’ll take the jerrrbbs away to punish us! We mustn’t upset daddy Business!”
Iftheyredeadtheyrejusthookers
Thats Social Democracy, not Democratic Socialism. While their aims are very similar, their end goals are vastly different. Social Democracy seeks to change the capitalist system to be more humane through the use of government, regulations, and public safety nets where Democratic Socialism ultimate seeks to move to a post capitalistic society.
BananaForScaIe
"You can get rich, but you're dragging all of us up with ya!" is a very certain attitude and I love it.
FelonyRaptor
Please tell that to our shit ass right wing government in Finland that's trying to privatize everything and cut all social securities and give the biggest corporations the biggest tax cuts while raising taxes for the poor.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
Yeah still waiting for UBI tough. IMO the only way forward with mote and more automatisation in the current systems.
canigifinpaint
UBI without Rent Control means rents just go up by w/e the UBI is.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
That sounds more like another good reason why rent control is ALSO required (and exists as far as i know in some form in most social democratic countries already).
MacTually
What would be smart is if it wasn't discussed as if we were all braindead brainwashed morons.
Social and communal systems can exist along inside and beside capitalist systems.
People shouldn't profit from the negative things in life.
It has always made me sick the idea of the funeral director hates business being slow and his life is worse each day when someone doesn't die.
Why would society set up a person to really be a villain?
Rhythmaster
100% agree. I agree with a lot of anarchist/leftist ideas too but when they talk about how we need to "burn it all down" "destroy capitalism" or whatever that always seems like a non-solution... what system will we build after we burn it all down? Some sort of democratic socialism seems the best idea to me, and maybe we should just start building that system, right now, incrementally, as much as possible, without the mass suffering and death that a total collapse/revolution would cause??
Rogahar
The thing that has constantly baffled me about the American push against tax funded healthcare is that it would "cost thousands of jobs in the private health industry."
But like... private healthcare still exists in countries with public healthcare. It's just forced to compete with the functionally free alternative that everyone has access to, so it can't just decide to charge you $3,000 for a checkup and two paracetomol.
AndroidSoul
RooGryphon
Who watchs fox for news that's like watching WWE for wrestling and think its a real fight
Dimension09
For entertainment only? Is it real or not
TChallaVanDam
Not. “#SatireNews” at the bottom. You should include that in this post, @op.
BHPaperstacks
Its what we did when they think of Make America Great Again, thats whats so fucking stupid about it all. That era they think of when they the boomers were young, was a product of democratic socialism after FDR'S New Deal after the Robber Baron's did the same shit in the 20's. They just assumed it was the racism of that time, lol.
usingYourMomAsAHat
Its impressive actually that american propaganda has managed to frame democratic socialism as something bad.
dcjunkee
Democratic Socialism --> Socialism --> Communism --> EVIL (the usual US train of thought)
michiyl
Propaganda by those who want to have way more than anyone else can reach far and wide
FelonyRaptor
Even more amazing is that people in democratic socialist countries are actually believing that shit too.
tychog99
Well, when most of your popular media comes from america, it carries the american message, and boy us it pervasive
FelonyRaptor
That's a part of it, probably.
DukeofKMS
A large part of the western world was thinking that since Reagan. I remember being a child learning about how you live and treat each other. I never wanted to be a cowboy ever since.
Dybidude5
Well, most of western world has been dependent on the USA since WWII. And the states knew it and forced their propaganda upon them.
Even the ones who knew better couldn't speak out openly without being sanctioned by the mightiest nation of the world.
And they still have to lick their boots until they become fully independent.
DukeofKMS
Deepened in what? Defence. When did the US defend Europe? Never. You are dependent on us for your global reach
Valleyofwaves
Now, now... That wasn't cheap! Several papers and TV Stations had to be required and it still took decades
BorkSamson
Be a shame if it all, was for nothing. And we did it anyways, wouldnt it?
idiotsonfire
Nah, full on socialism is the way to do things. Social equity and social advancement is better than maintaining capitalism. Democratic socialism is better than nothing, absolutely for sure, 100%. It should only be used as a desperate lily pad to sit on before immediately moving to full socialism. If it doesn't, then it will be regulatorily captured and undermined by capitalism.
GroverKerr
Can't call yourself a leftist without AKTUALLYing other leftists. Come one guys, where's the communists and tankies and anarchists to try to start an argument and undermine progress? People are starting to naturally agree with economically progressive principles, and there are some incredibly successful, charismatic, and decent politicians.
You need to start self-sabotaging harder!
DirtyDusty
I've worked hard to get to where I am. I like the current social hierarchy and having more than others as a reward for my efforts. We are not all equal. We never were.
GroverKerr
Your last post was talking about how some of your friends started acting like they were part a caste system after becoming wealthy. Are you a bot trying to start shit?
idiotsonfire
Socialism isn't about equality of outcome, it is about equity. Everyone's still different, everyone's issues are just taken care of by a collective effort, and billionaires disappear naturally because no single person is ever allowed to kill thousands to amass a fortune from their work.
pgdave
Who decides what is and isn't an issue to take care of?
innagaddavidababy
Horseshit. Study your history.
paintbullits
You mean the history of america sabotaging any small communist country it could so monopolies.. I mean "unfettered free market capitalism" would look better in comparison? That history?
idiotsonfire
What happened to all those New Deal programs that brought us out of the great depression? Bet I know better than you. Oh yeah! All of them were infiltrated and subverted, then outright destroyed. Where's all the worker protections? What about the minimum wage FDR advocated for that it should be a wage of decent living? How about that top marginal tax rate of 90% but an effective one of over 50%? Oh yeah. All fucking gone. Because of the capitalists.
pgdave
Okay, so in your socialist model, is it just the government deciding what does and doesn't get made? Are all businesses owned by the government? Can you earn money by selling art you make?
idiotsonfire
Holy fucking shit you're stupid.
canigifinpaint
Wow, they just asked a pretty simple question. If you're so confident that full on Socialism is better than Democratic Socialism you'd think you'd be able to answer a super, SUPER simple question like that at least.
idiotsonfire
If they even gave the slightest, most marginal shit, they wouldn't have lied that government decides what doesn't get made, or that you might not be able to make money from art. They're not curious about socialism, that is the most transparent straw man of communism imaginable. They are not smart enough to have this conversation.
aQuantumofAnarchy
"Socialism is the government doing stuff" is one of the useful capitalist myths to prevent socialism from coming about.
pgdave
I'm not telling someone what socialism is, I'm asking how *they* define it. Without a definition, there's no reasonable way to talk about things. I certainly have definitions I use, but that doesn't really matter if I'm interested in what @idiotsonfire thinks - only their definition matters, hence asking those questions.
idiotsonfire
You mean, the actual definition of socialism? That is the workers owning the means of production, ergo the natural cessation to the existence of gigarich owner caste billionaires? The social contract extending to ensure that everyone's healthcare is taken care of and the social safety net vastly expands so nobody that goes bankrupt loses their home and dies on the street? Fuck you, class traitor.