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braaaiiiiinnnnsss
FlyingGiantElk
Sun Tzu had a great point about knowing the enemy and yourself, regarding victory. Besides what is spying if not listening to the enemy?
ThailandExpress
ternst31337
This is what the greatest generation looks like.. and I love it!
activeracer28
The OG Antifa mob.
desolatorx
Is this a good idea? I mean with covid and all... or was this from the time of tranquility pre 2020?
wantondisregard
2017, frankly I'm surprised so many of them are alive considering it's 73 years since the war ended
ThatShipleyBoy
This was last September. I was in Bletchley Park then and there were all these people reunited and being interviewed. Amazing to see
butts4hats
It’s weird to see local news on imgur
brucom
Cryptonomicon
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
Also credit to the Polish codebreakers.Marian Rejewski being one.Unsung heroes, their team got more than 50% of the way there before Turing.
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
I had a Polish girlfriend from Poznan, where their codebreakers worked. She found it unfair that Turing got 100% more praise than Rejewski.
meepmerp
So many women! :)
geraint616
Men were busy
HerrBisch
My grandma casually dropped the fact that she worked at Bletchley Park last year. This generation is fucking kickass.
SirenBrick
So many researchers are looking for survivors who worked there to interview. So many details lost to time.
geraint616
They were sworn to silence. There were people married, who didnt realise that their partner worked at Bletchley
Cyberpope67
"The Greatest Generation"
RocknRollerColaWars
“You might be wondering why we brought you all here? Well, the Nazis are back.”
Luthierfer
Ummm... HELP!
lilmookieesquire
Sometimes I feel like when we focus on Nazis we ignore the fascism in our own backyard. The sympathizers in the US never really got culled.
welluhwhatdoyouwantmetosay
They got so many women volunteers, that they chose them based on their legs.
Cyberpope67
& tits -- let's be honest.
Affray
Regardless of intent or beliefs it's always a good idea to listen and understand people. Especially if they're the baddies.
electricwizard
It's called appeasement and history tells us it does not work with Nazis
Cyberpope67
learn & undertand, so you can find & exploit their weaknesses, not to copy them. . nor to appease.
Affray
No it isn't. It's called understanding how and why Nazis do what they do so the rest of us can more effectively stop them forevermore.
SaintFlyer
The Imitation Game is a really good movie that covers the work done at Bletchley Park, definitely worth a watch
whistlebuzz
Important clarification: these people ARE NOT nazis. They are Brits who cracked the code to listen to nazi communications and kick their...
zFUBARz
What are you clarifying it says right there in the post that they gathered the code breakers together.
whistlebuzz
And again, after reading the comments, not just top comments, this needs clarification. Congratulations you understood, many did not.
zFUBARz
I read every comment at the time of my reply (unless I missed a nested one or two.) pretty much just KingRidley seems confused about it.
malakit
Well, yes.
whistlebuzz
The comments (not just too) suggest that is not as clear as I could be
ButterfaceTaintClown
but... just to be CLEAR. they are NOT Nazis?
malakit
Well, yes.
geoffreyfourmyle
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redstaterefugee
BBC had a good TV show called Bletchly Circle about the women solving crime after the war.
AntaNce
Yes. It was very good.
chazzwozzer2
The Enigma code was absolutely bonkers: https://youtu.be/G2_Q9FoD-oQ
schlagfest
Wow .. that is fascinating.Thanks for the link
StatelyRavenOfTheSaintlyDaysOfYore
WristDeepInaBook
absolute mad lad(ies)
RoastedSalted
Always listen to your enemy.
RoastedSalted
Better word: adversary.
4noku
Look at all those women! Heck yeah, grrl power!
in70x
No Alan Turing :-( guy won us the war and gave us computers and they prosecuted him for being gay.. they pardoned him.. like 50 years after
4noku
I respect where you're coming from, but they can't include the deceased in a photo, my man.
in70x
Man it’s 2020 we got photoshop shit..
in70x
Or maybe a statue on the side
Ranb40
In addition he was chemically castrated to avoid prison.
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
Also no Rejewski. The man praised by Turing for getting more than 50% of the way towards cracking the code. The poles were unsung heroes.
Scythl
They really led the way at the very start of the war, having had the most progress at the time, good show all round.
Eiladar
Check out Withold Pilecki. Short version; he got himself sent to Auschwitz _on purpose_ to gather intel, then when he broke out no one
Eiladar
believed him (2 years later) until they eventually saw it themselves; then was executed by the post-war Polish government for treason
Eiladar
because he supported the ousted pre-war government.
in70x
he was fucking dead.. he commuted suicide..
nasukkin
That's the official story, at least...
ACDNGUY
His suicide was a direct result of being persecuted and castrated for being gay. No crime, just barbarianism. He’s a legend and hero to me.
Infinias
Even worse they chemical castrated him and than he committed suicide. Poor soul.
in70x
Indeed they did.
zeradeth
I watched the movie about him with Cumberbatch and ugly cried at the end. So unfair.
in70x
The Imitation Game was a great movie, but they actually portrayed Alan Turing’s personality quite unrealistically. They made him almost like
in70x
Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory but it’s said he was actually quite a lovable, humorous dude. The movie also injected conflict that never
tinyeng
I love to see so many women in this group when there is an under representation of women in STEM. Badasses, all of them.
malakit
This was boring repetitive administrative work. Very much women’s work at the time.
tinyeng
It was considered so, yes. So were the hand calculations done by the "computers" during the Space Race, which were (primarily) women. 1/
tinyeng
As a female engineer, this shows me how the concept of "women aren't good at STEM" is entirely a societal mindset, not fact. /2
JayPapy
My Grandma was involved in the process and I never heard her say it was boring. Even if it was she knew the part she played and I'm proud.
SirenBrick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVet82IUAqQ&ab_channel=Lindybeige great link shows some of the less reported jobs by women in Britan
Wolfshead009
Check out the book Code Girls about the US women codebreakers.
tinyeng
I will, thank you! I've been looking for a good book to read. Cheers for the recommendation :)
geraint616
Tbf, all the men were away fighting the war. Women did most jobs, including running the factories. Did alot for equality in britain
tinyeng
True. WW2 saw an introduction of women in the war but not remotely as many. This does amazing things for breaking gender stereotypes though.
Killerma
The only good Nazi is a defeated Nazi awaiting their sentencing and potential long drop on a short rope.
sqabbit
Short drop and a sudden stop
turkishbutnotnationalist
Same goes for commies. No difference between a Communist and a Nazi. Both killed immeasurable amount of people and manipulated commoners
justarocknroller
This. There's only one way to deal with Nazis and they got it right at nuremberg.
death4665
I'd rather throw them in the showers
AgentBunni
For a nice warm scrub with soap. You know...to rid the world of their filth.
eggman989
I C Wat U Did There
daguq
Then you'd be a Nazi.
eggman989
Sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire ?
wellthisjustgotinteresting
Nazis did it for things that people can't change. You can stop being a Nazi. You can't stop being Romani.
daguq
I agree. But I do not believe in capital punishment. And certainly not one favoured by Nazis.
Problemwoodchuck
NASA: lol V2 goes whooooosh get in Werner, you're taking us to the Moon
AThreeFootTallChocolateMooseWithFudgeEyes
what about the ones recruited from Operation Paperclip?
Theycallmemoist9
It's a nice thought. But then you do some digging and find out hardly any of the men put on trial at Nuremberg were actually punished.
Theycallmemoist9
So seems like we are following the historic trent very accurately
PerpetuityPhoto
To be fair, for all the wrong Hitler did, he Did kill Hitler...
HaveGinWillBabble
Well when you put it like that..!
spoonninja
so you want to kill a good portion of a generation of germans? genocide as a response to genocide, sink to their lvl, yeah!!
Allrighty
Just the Nazis.
Alfa799
And fascists!
Lobuttomize
There's a difference between a Nazi and a neo Nazi
Bukkhockey
Except of course Oscar Schindler and others like him
Turingengine
Unless you hire them to run your space program.
HosniMubark
Oscar Schindler was a Nazi......
AnalSexInTheWoodsDontMakeBabies
I agree! I don't agree with who people are calling nazis nowadays
alchemist12345
yep https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/two-gop-lawmakers-invoke-hitler-hammer-democrats-n987571
PhailRaptor
Long walk off a short pier in cement shoes?
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
A traitor can also be a good Nazi. Like Oscar Schindler.
HosniMubark
That what I’m saying
DropKickHead
Or the soldiers in the Wehrmacht who fought with the US Army at the Battle for Castle Itter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0UwLhziocc
MidnightAtMandS
Call Pierrpoint, we've more Nazis for the gallows!!
Lan098
Who exactly are you talking about here?
DVSBSTrD
Is a *dead* Nazi.
fredsneed
You misspelled dead.
Baron29
A long drop on a rope that's SLIGHTLY shorter, is a real crowd-pleaser too. The old "razzle dazzle", as the executioners call it...
Juicytoast
Back in the war, a lot of nazis were people who thought they were fighting for their rights. Then when it went to where it went, they...
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
No, they weren't. They knew it was for conquest and ethnic supremacy.
AvatarTommyBee
Suuuure .. Bavaria wanted to keep slaves, but those pesky Prussian tried to keep the Union /s
Juicytoast
Kept fighting because they felt like if they surrendered they'd be killed or treated horribly by the Allies.
Juicytoast
So while I'm not defending it, I'm also saying the average joe weren't the ones commiting the atrocities.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Yes, they were.
Problemwoodchuck
The average joes in the wehrmacht were exactly who committed numerous atrocities, especially on the eastern front. It was ugly to the core
Problemwoodchuck
Realistically, the biggest gray area was kids getting swept up in volksturm militias in 1944/45
Ehilgy
I suggest Ordinary Men, by Christopher Browning. The reserve police battalions were heavily involved in mass executions.
wolfteller
The Nuremberg defense is a losing one.
GrosseChung
Lmao this has downvotes
Beardologist
Nazi is a dogwhistle for "'urban"' anti Christian "'terrorists"' by their '"globalist"' masters . /s
catherinemcl1
Wtf are you on about you absolute lemon
BrockEffingSamson
"/s" indicates sarcasm, but I still can't quite parse this joke.
kerms
Perhaps some are from people who don't believe in the death penalty.
Killerma
Snowflakes, what can you do?
LariCheltsy
eggman989
Yeah.. ha... ha. That isn’t funny ?
GamingMule
What can I say, the death penalty is wrong no matter what.
Killerma
I tend to agree with you, however at the time the death penalty was simply expected. If it took place nowadays I'd be against execution.
ArchonIlladrya
If there's irrefutable proof, like the murder/rape on video, kill the mother fucker. Or you know, I'd you enable the murder of 6 million.
arsenilk
I’m also against the death penalty, but I don’t tend to make my stand in anti-nazi Imgur threads.
FourLegsGood
No one is punishing nazis. We just want the problem solved.
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kerms
Then that's combat, not an execution.
ControversialLeftistLesbian
I don't like celebrating death, but Hitler dying was a net positive for the world.
ElephantKid
do we celebrating the dude who killed him?
ControversialLeftistLesbian
The guy who killed him was kinda a racist dick so...
Goldmarble
Disagree. Sometimes, it is better to be rid of the dead weight, than to pay for its continued existence.
GamingMule
The Far right would say the same for those on disability and welfare. Be careful what you wish for.
OmegaZen
a bit different, they're not murdering people or actively being evil.. so that point is dumb.
BewareOfBOB
Same with communists.
CountAiight
Authoritarians*?
WhatTheFunkBro
Lemme guess, BeRnIe is a CoMmIe
BodvarBjarke
Hear! Hear!
3PiecesOfBread
Lol @ butthurt downvotes from idiots who think communism = free stuff utopia
BewareOfBOB
I see lots of downvotes, but I grew up in communism and it's the same. No rights, no freedom. Eastern Europe is proof that communism is sick
3PiecesOfBread
Today’s SJWs think that communism = society stays the same but everything is free and they don’t have to work.
NakisaNadir
If someone understands said group and what they think it must be some using the SJW term claiming to know what they think. Very bright
WhatTheFunkBro
Nobody is asking for shit to be free, its people like you that keep making that baseless assumption
WhatTheFunkBro
Stop calling people sjws for wanting better futures for themselves you fucking hack
3PiecesOfBread
Are you saying you don’t want to be friends?
WhatTheFunkBro
For the last mother fucking time people want better liveable wage and affordable housing, not underpaid and inflating housing prices
purdhapley
They got so good at deciphering the enigma code, they joked nazi generals should just call them for their orders.
tittysprinkler
Funny to think about how potentially close to the truth this joke could have been
dakuan
They were ultra good at their job
georgejimmydoodle
They got so good, they had to refrain from acting on some of what they learned to not be too obvious.
yourlocaleconomicsnerd
That scene in the imitation game is chilling
practicallyperfect
Yup. The elation of breaking enigma turning into horror. So much focus on breaking the code, but it wasn’t the end by a long shot ☹️
yourlocaleconomicsnerd
It isn't depicted in the movie, but the germans made a second code that was even harder, and Turing made arguably the first real computer.
yourlocaleconomicsnerd
To beat it. Something with sone early form of actual processing power. The machine in the movie was an early prototype of that IIRC
DavidBrooker
Mostly the Luftwaffe. The Army used the same system, but with better but inconsistent procedures. They were broken regularly, but with 1/2
DavidBrooker
more effort. The Navy was apparently the only one that wasn't ran by fools, and used both better hardware and consistent good practices. 2/3
TheScotchKraut
Thankfully, the Kriegsmarine got fucking bodied anytime it tried a major action.
JButts
*run
DavidBrooker
They were cracked consistently near the end of the war, but there were large gaps where information was limited (relative to others). 3/3
Sleepy360
The fourth enigma wheel was troublesome until a "short signals" code book was captured.
JuggerGnome
Don’t forget about our Navajo code speakers.
HypersonicHero
You are incorrect. The end of the golden age of U-boats was a direct result of enigma being cracked consistently. No other branch was
DavidBrooker
Do you have information on decrypt volume? The naval Enigma was undoubtedly a more secure cypher and operated with better discipline, 1/2
HypersonicHero
Cracked as often nor to such devastating effect as the navy. They added the fourth wheel which bought them some time but that was cracked
RandomError418
The problem is that the term Nazi is thrown around so wantonly that it's effectively lost its proper meaning.
HaveGinWillBabble
Fascist is a better term.
RandomError418
Also losing its meaning, along with racist, bigot, and more. People are insulted rather than their ideas being dismantled.
infernalcombustionengine
Nazi's were genuinely frightening, those being called nazis now are clowns. There's a stark difference.
ThailandExpress
yeah these poor misunderstood racists get called Nazis all the time. It really hurts their feelings
RandomError418
The confederate flag tends to symbolize southern pride for southerners, as they have no other. But no one cares to talk w/ them about it.
RandomError418
You all call them racists instead of working with them to find a symbol for southern pride that doesn't offend you.
ThailandExpress
by now they should know better, its nothing to be proud of!(born VA lived NC,GA&LA Im a proud southern boy)
ThailandExpress
and everytime I say"Dolly Parton should replace confederate statues I get laughed at
RandomError418
The confederate statues, particularly General Lee and similar, are praised for their good qualities. But today they're demonized.