Union or no union how is breaking the law not an automatic disqualification for the hiring process. When I was a financial broker, we used to joke you could kill someone, but if you got caught stealing a wallet no broker lic. for you.
Unpopular opinion here - labor unions should be as strong as police unions. But if you take that and carry it over to ANY other profession, keeping people who screw up the job seems insane. Airline pilots drinking on the job? No prob, union protection. Restaurant workers not washing their hands? No prob, union protection. Auto workers not tightening bolts to required spec? No prob, union protection. Pharmacists snorting adderall on the job? No prob, union protection.
We all know the answer already, but the question that needs to be asked anyway is: why didn't they get charged with serious crimes for destroying evidence? Destruction of evidence isn't some minor detail, it's a huge problem that undermines that core of proper application of justice.
This is called spoliation of evidence, and if anyone else did it, they WOULD. At very least, the judge could order the jury to assume the missing evidence was damning when making their verdict.
The proper application of justice? These are police officers. The law doesn't apply to them so long as Republicans exist in our government anywhere. Remember "qualified immunity"?
Not nearly as bad as how the cops got the last DA fired because he chose to prosecute a cop who, on his 3rd day, was in a car chase, the guy stopped and started to run away, so the cop opened his window, pulled out this gun and shot the guy in the back. Another cop arrested him. The Police stopped arresting shoplifters and car vandals (I watched them ignore one instance) until the DA got recalled. The new DA dropped charges (and on another cop who was blatantly guilty). I give up on sfpd.
They don't like being called unions and actual unions don't like it. Unions represent you to your boss. Police brotherhoods or associations represent the entire police department to their funding sources like the city
And yet these same fascist cops will vote for anti-union politicians. Police unions and qualified immunity need to be scrapped. the experiment didn't work, it just created a haven for power-hungry sadists, abusers, and want to be vigilantes to thrive.
Republicans frequently put carve outs in their anti-union laws for police and firefighter unions. Wisconsin from a decade ago jumps to mind in particular. Cops don't care because they're actively protected regardless.
Because police "unions" aren't actual unions, we just call them that. Generally they're actually "fraternal orders." Real unions don't allow management to join them.
oh look more evidence of cops being bastards what a fucking shocker. I'm still waiting for a single good cop to come out of the woodwork. as long as shit like this is the standard we can never trust police.
most police "unions" are not unions at all, they're typically more like fraternal organizations or mutual aid societies. If you have management in your union or you cross picket lines of other unions, you're not really in a union.
The state, and or feds, need to step in to prevent an arbitrator and police union from making rehire decisions allowing criminals to wear law enforcement badges again.
"Though Neu was criminally charged by former District Attorney George Gascón in 2016 with 17 criminal counts, these charges were dropped after the Sheriff’s Office allegedly destroyed evidence in the case; in one instance an investigator’s laptop was smashed with a hammer due to a virus." I'm not a computer guy, but I think there might be a better way to deal with a computer virus. Also, there are these things called back-up files...
"Sorry to hear that. Looks like you're admitting you're incompetent, and derelict in your duty. Due to your position of power, you're personally taking the blame for the destruction of that evidence"
AZRAELSBLADE
monet108
Union or no union how is breaking the law not an automatic disqualification for the hiring process. When I was a financial broker, we used to joke you could kill someone, but if you got caught stealing a wallet no broker lic. for you.
yifin
He's being rehired cuz he wasn't convicted of a crime. The lack of conviction is due to the evidence against him being "lost"
lighterfox
You know what, given that it's America I'm not the slightest bit surprised
TheAnimalFactsGuy
All cops are bad.
eromitlab
also bastards
Comboverman
He should have to fight the winner.
fractalsphere
Unpopular opinion here - labor unions should be as strong as police unions. But if you take that and carry it over to ANY other profession, keeping people who screw up the job seems insane. Airline pilots drinking on the job? No prob, union protection. Restaurant workers not washing their hands? No prob, union protection. Auto workers not tightening bolts to required spec? No prob, union protection. Pharmacists snorting adderall on the job? No prob, union protection.
StephenDaniels
The airlines don't have to fire pilots for drinking. The FAA just revokes their medical certification. There's a path back; but its arduous.
StephenDaniels
btw that's for drinking and driving. Drinking and flying is another matter.
Interleaver11111111
ACAB
RetrogradeLlama
Cops destroyed the evidence that was needed to convict him: https://missionlocal.org/2024/01/sf-rehire-ex-sheriffs-deputy-fight-club-scandal/
livingonagiantfireball
When you know there is dangerous people in position of power a d nobody does nothing about it legal or not, is when you know your society is doomed
damianpryde
Oops! All Bastards!.jpg
HsuDoNihm
Jail them all. They'll rat each other out.
yourmomscheese
Because, wait for it…. They were all in on it becauseeeeee ACAB
zleeping20101
Can we say SPOLIATION !!!
Geistbar
We all know the answer already, but the question that needs to be asked anyway is: why didn't they get charged with serious crimes for destroying evidence? Destruction of evidence isn't some minor detail, it's a huge problem that undermines that core of proper application of justice.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Somehow the evidence of them destroying the evidence got destroyed......
Boris23
This is called spoliation of evidence, and if anyone else did it, they WOULD. At very least, the judge could order the jury to assume the missing evidence was damning when making their verdict.
Tardis1217
The proper application of justice? These are police officers. The law doesn't apply to them so long as Republicans exist in our government anywhere. Remember "qualified immunity"?
brainmydamage
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LuminoZero
That entire precinct should have been firebombed.
bourbonandbaddecisions
Chain the doors shut first.
relsky
I am not posting this for any specific reason beyond the fact that i like this quote. I am not encouraging anything at all.
Ryebread91
Civilization has entered the chat
thotterpop
aslum
Oh, well I guess this one wasn't a bastard then. /s
Uonnay
The fights won't get organized by themselves...
colderfish
Not nearly as bad as how the cops got the last DA fired because he chose to prosecute a cop who, on his 3rd day, was in a car chase, the guy stopped and started to run away, so the cop opened his window, pulled out this gun and shot the guy in the back. Another cop arrested him. The Police stopped arresting shoplifters and car vandals (I watched them ignore one instance) until the DA got recalled. The new DA dropped charges (and on another cop who was blatantly guilty). I give up on sfpd.
Raecracy123abc
They don't like being called unions and actual unions don't like it. Unions represent you to your boss. Police brotherhoods or associations represent the entire police department to their funding sources like the city
Maverickaura
oh cool. which precinct, specifically? just asking so we know which ones not to -redacted-
HenchMenInc
ROUND 2! FIGHT!
SpiteLip
And yet these same fascist cops will vote for anti-union politicians. Police unions and qualified immunity need to be scrapped. the experiment didn't work, it just created a haven for power-hungry sadists, abusers, and want to be vigilantes to thrive.
eromitlab
The anti-union politicians make sure to protect cop unions. Got to keep the shock troops rolling around in mud and feeling superior to civilians.
Geistbar
Republicans frequently put carve outs in their anti-union laws for police and firefighter unions. Wisconsin from a decade ago jumps to mind in particular. Cops don't care because they're actively protected regardless.
Illithidbane
So the experiment DID work as intended. It protected the sadists and abusers. That was the point, right?
heartlessninja6
I only have three-fifths of an opinion in this.
IPoisonedDorcasMutton
Because police "unions" aren't actual unions, we just call them that. Generally they're actually "fraternal orders." Real unions don't allow management to join them.
backrideup9
Those same anti union politicians use them as private security and give them a license to kill. Why wouldn't they vote that way?
arrogantengineer
No public employees should have unions including teachers.
dojustice
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Masinx
SlickWithaLimerick
Son you've got a brain so smooth, intelligent thoughts just slide right off.
Gayforbae
Bhargo
oh look more evidence of cops being bastards what a fucking shocker. I'm still waiting for a single good cop to come out of the woodwork. as long as shit like this is the standard we can never trust police.
BadPunsAplenty
Spite Club
thebigby
Arcblaire
I wish the unions I was a part of had half as much power as police unions.
Raecracy123abc
union is only a union when you're repersented to your boss, not the entire department to the funding source that a lobbyist orgnizations
eromitlab
Give police the same toothless union that Kroger employees have. Make those motherfuckers unhappy and unprotected from the whims of the higher ups.
flarflarf
most police "unions" are not unions at all, they're typically more like fraternal organizations or mutual aid societies. If you have management in your union or you cross picket lines of other unions, you're not really in a union.
ontarioOT
Closer to the mafia, imo.
expectnothingstillletdown
Considering that police are essentially a street gang, an apt comparison.
flarflarf
"mutual aid societies" are typically how the mafia presented their financial activities to the law, yes.
MapleSyrupMafia
As a union worker, cops SHOULD NOT have any protection... You "fuck up"? You get twice the sentence of a civilian for the same crime.
AyatollahBahloni
What the actual fuck...
nothingunused
All of them? Every single one? ...yep.
AlmightyElephant
Guys, when watching Django Unchained you weren't supposed to find Monsieur Candy to be an aspirational goal
DocWino
“Fight club” is joined. Thats gladiator school.
Bloodsense
Sounds like it's time to fire the entire force.
JackingMeHoff
The state, and or feds, need to step in to prevent an arbitrator and police union from making rehire decisions allowing criminals to wear law enforcement badges again.
memeseeks
That sounds about right.
GTimgur
Any organisation can become corrupt.
Hyzenthlay021
"Though Neu was criminally charged by former District Attorney George Gascón in 2016 with 17 criminal counts, these charges were dropped after the Sheriff’s Office allegedly destroyed evidence in the case; in one instance an investigator’s laptop was smashed with a hammer due to a virus." I'm not a computer guy, but I think there might be a better way to deal with a computer virus. Also, there are these things called back-up files...
PolitiCat
Anyone involved with this coverup should get the business end of the hammer to the face
TorvicEsSanta
It's possible that a virus could corrupt backups if they were improperly secured, but impossible that a hammer is going to fix that issue.
mrthewhitee
I would wager all I have that there never was a virus and no one backed up the incriminating evidence.
TorvicEsSanta
I also believe this wholeheartedly
Ivalicenyan
When a computer comes down with the sickness, you have to put it down 😞
Bhargo
how this doesnt lead to whoever destroyed the laptop being charged with destruction of evidence is a fucking mystery
atomfixes101
I’m not a cop, but destruction of evidence is a crime you can easily charge people with. Why are we allowing them to do this?
MrRandom314159
As long as the hard drive is intact, then it's possible. Just say you'll take it with you and you can extract it and see what's recoverable.
StephenDaniels
The rules of evidence for getting to keep your job as a cop vs being convicted of a crime shouldn't be the same.
SecondSince
Destroying evidence should be an automatic 20 year sentence!
flyingwahini
Lose your license to carry a gun, and no pensions for bad cops.
mrthewhitee
"Oops, security footage disappeared, and we don't know who smashed the laptop. Guess we'll never figure it out..."
bp920091
"Sorry to hear that. Looks like you're admitting you're incompetent, and derelict in your duty. Due to your position of power, you're personally taking the blame for the destruction of that evidence"