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Full article
http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/20/i-was-falsely-accused-of-rape-victim-centered-investigations-are-a-travesty-of-justice/
one of many such cases
mccar7hy
While there are worse things, lying about being raped has to be the most pathetic thing someone could do
CharlieDarkDude
One of the main (Former) proponents of using the polygraph has come out and said it's a subjective piece of garbage. Don't ever get near one
CharlieDarkDude
Hell, it's been common knowledge for years that they don't work.
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
This is awful. Using a knowingly false accusation as a power play to hurt someone is also hurtful to actual victims 1/2
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
who already find it difficult to be believed when it DID happen. 2/2
BigisDickis
Am I being charged? Am I being detained. That is all you should ever say until you get a lawyer.
BojackTheHorsemanDontActLikeYouDontKnow
Steven Tyler was falsely accused of Rap after his 'Walk this way' remix with RUN-DMC
kryptography
False accusations of all kinds are terrible. Rape is also terrible. We need to address both aggressively.
leekyfaucet
Now imagine the devastation of a similar technique being used on someone who had actually recently been traumatically raped.
popejubal
Just like if you're accused of ANY crime - never talk to the police without your lawyer. Never.
mmurrbles
Watch like one detective movie and you will realize that when your being interrogated they are not on your side.
GodEmperorOfImgur
Oh, god, actually reading that article the "start by believing" group sounds absolutely insane. Like, utterly insane .
totallynotasockpuppet
If you find yourself in an interrogation that starts with a confrontation, it's probably the Reid technique, and they think you're guilty.
NocturnalDaedra
Riley Reid technique?
BRM15EOL
Can you explain the Reid technique? Just curious
HalfmoonHex
I don't buy this story. Sounds more like propaganda against that group it mentions at the end. Why did he even know about them?
PhiIIipJFry
Payed for a polygraph at his own expense? I feel like his lawyer would have saved him some money and told him they're not admissible
EricEss
Not admissible for *prosecution.* Defense can absolutely use them.
noneed4
Your legal system is totally fucked.
popejubal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
frustratedwheelofcheese
That's why I always have to witnesses and a notearized form of consent when I do the nasty. It's super awkward for every party there
Beleg7
What really stands out to me here is how similar the way this guy was treated sounds to black lives matter accounts of police treatment.
SeanBeanDiesAlot
There was 0 physical evidence, a gap of a year, and not even a specific day outlined? How the hell were charges brought? The guy should sue!
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DrKriegersClone
It's incredibly difficult to do that, because the system operates on a premise that it would scare off reporting of real assaults.
SeanBeanDiesAlot
I'm thinking of gross negligence on the part of the police department. Something as simple as a date of offense is generally required
DrKriegersClone
Normally yes, but they rationalize that would deter traumatized people from coming forward much later.
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
Even generally speaking, what is happening on colleges these days is pretty messed up. Administrators everywhere need to be fired.
SomethingOffensive
College campuses need to just be a part of the city's police department. Want to reduce tuition costs? Start there.
BrownieInc
As someone who was on the receiving end of being falsely accused, you have no idea.
RobertEmmet
I heard that!
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LemonFanta
But if they turned rape reports over to actual police, then they woild have to admit how many rapes are happening and lose donors.
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
Yes this is the common sense obvious approach that should be done.
CommanderWilliamTRiker
Yep. College has become a haven for the entitled.
Worm4real
'one of many' citation please
Carlox
Not just at college.
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Mimsey
College is particularly bad because they often have tribunals for this made of students and faculty. [1]
Mimsey
The issue being the tribunal is often Gender Studies students and the Title IX coordinator for the school, who are ideologically biased. [2]
Mimsey
The accused don't get a lawyer, don't get to cross-examine their accuser, sometimes aren't even told WHO is accusing them, etc. [3]
Mimsey
Not to mention the standard for guilt is "preponderance of the evidence", so a 50.01% chance = Guilty in the hearings. [4]
gregorclegane
This is why the only thing you ever say is Lawyer, Lawyer, Lawyer.
RedVelvetPoop
BEFORE I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE AN ATTORNEY. (them) you sure? YES, I WILL EXERCISE MY RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT. Practice that shit
BluBoxx
@OP false accusations are terrible. They are also vanishingly rare (<1%). Meanwhile only 3 % of actual rapists actually see jail time.
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
THIS. *nod nod*
homerinchinatown
someone else's comment stated it well: 'less common, but not less serious'...
PlankTableGo
Most false accusations do not make it as far as court (fortunately)- however this also means that the actual rate is not as rare as <1%.
BluBoxx
It actually does. The 1% rate is calculated by dividing false accusations from total reported rape, not total rapes committed. Only 1/
BluBoxx
Claim value (with surveys they can quantify precision (+\-) and the numbers are still below 1% when total rape is accounted for 4/4
BluBoxx
Below 1%. Just as a point of clarity, different studies alternatively use survey rather than arrest data to get the number of false rape 3/
BluBoxx
34% of rapes are reported, meaning out of all rapes, even accounting for the issues you mention, the rate of false accusations is well 2/
PhiIIipJFry
There's no way you can that 97% of your 'actual rapists' weren't falsely accused that is a ridiculous statement
Mimsey
You've posted this exact thing, verbatim, at least 3 times in these comments, and been told off for it repeatedly. Adjust your position.
BluBoxx
Being told off by people who's world views reality clashes with isn't the same as being incorrect. My father was accused of raping a child 1
BluBoxx
Never was he made to feel outcast or vilified, and he continues to work as a teacher today and a still a respected member of our community 3
BluBoxx
Over a thousand times more likely to be raped ourselves than to be falsely accused, and we have a greater chance to die in a plane crash 6/
BluBoxx
Add on top the extreme rarity of false accusations of rape (most of which are by children not adult women) and the extremely low rate 4/
BluBoxx
Of jailing actual rapists really makes this a virtual non issue. Are there a hand full of exceptions? Absolutely. But as a man we're 5/
BluBoxx
Or from lightening than to be falsely convicted of rape.... 7/7
BluBoxx
He's a teacher (still is), he was investigated, found innocent and never missed a beat. It really sucked during the investigation but 2/
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BluBoxx
@OP For some reason IMGUR keeps auto-deleting posted links. See the comment chain below this for citations
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BluBoxx
They were direct links, see the post below the one in reply to this chain for the links
BluBoxx
So you downvote me before reading a citation I will provide? Real classy @OP
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TheOneTrueCheesecake
lol, irony. Accused assumed guilty by default
TheFlyingSheep
Because you have yet to supply one
BluBoxx
3% jail rate bjs(dot)gov/content/pub/pdf/cv14(dot)pdf *replace (dot) with period. Sorry I posted all these as links but IMGUR auto-deleted
BluBoxx
1% false accusation rate cps(dot)gov(dot)uk/publications/research/perverting_course_of_justice_march_2013(dot)pdf *replace (dot) with period
PhiIIipJFry
This article sure goes on about polygraphs a lot, considering they are completely inadmissible and only really used to incite confessions.
EricEss
Inadmissible for *prosecution.* The defense can absolutely use them.
PhiIIipJFry
Considering it's sponsored content and they seem to think polygraphs are legal procedure I severely doubt it's authenticity.
Spoogan
Too bad legally speaking the results of a polygraph are not permissible in court due to them being only ~40% accurate.
soupisforwinners
Never ever ever speak to any form of law agency without an attorney present. I cannot stress this enough. I was a victim to cops lies.
ImFuckingBlind
Story time?
soupisforwinners
/a/tX0k7
ThisFrickenGuy
*Does not apply to traffic stops. YOU MUST TALK TO THEM.*
BigBadBillyBoy
You could remain completely silent, it's within your rights. It would not make the situation easier, I'll bet.
ThisFrickenGuy
Well to a degree. You don't have to give a statement, but you do have to provide ID and usually you are required to answer basic (1/?)
ThisFrickenGuy
identification questions. Beyond that, if he asks "Do you know why I stopped you" I suppose you could remain silent, but at that point (2/?)
ThisFrickenGuy
you're basically giving up hope of being let off with a warning. *Bonus video from my own town* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kAGByZvCoc
zenoshogun
That will start to become a hassle when you retain a lawyer on every international trip to talk to the border patrol for you.
carolinaguuurl
Or for every speeding ticket lol. Seriously, folks, only ask for a lawyer if they they thing you did smth criminal.
AngryVelvetUnicorn
So was I.
turtburgs
What happened?
soupisforwinners
/a/tX0k7
BoomButton
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Tabcrazy1924
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soupisforwinners
Holy moly. Alright, I'll throw together a post tonight. I've got a couple of stories dealing with being lied to by the law.
soupisforwinners
Here it is /a/tX0k7
GoodJobDaddy
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GooseBolton21
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Junglebear
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giveitarestalready
Most estimates I've seen put "actual rape" at 50-100x the prevalance of "false accusation rape", yet Imgur cares 10000x more abt the latter.
Convulsive
Show me on the doll where your father touched you...
Mimsey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone%27s_formulation Better that 10 guilty go free than one innocent be punished.
Mimsey
Society ALWAYS cares more about miscarriages of justice that see innocents charged or convicted. Don't act like rape is special here.
theJon0tron
are you serious? Imgur goes nuts over rapists like brock turner. There were like 50 posts about him on the frontpage in one week
Kierbear2g
Oh please, imgur is absolutely convinced that false accusations of rape are significantly more prevalent than actual rape.
bootninja
better that 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man be unjustly punished.
bootninja
not sure why i got downvoted, since that quote is the basis for our legal system.
ZVanderberg
Imgur is full of MRA neckbeards.
Anabur
Until he was proven innocent, 80% of you would've gladly tried to ruin his life
DrFreakBerg
Or stand outside his house because he is an easy target and a judge let him off. God the net is full of stupid people
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Sublime1981
Look at the Patrick Kane case. Chicago media dragged him through the coals. Then the alleged victims house of cards collapsed. 1/?
Sublime1981
There was no evidence they ever had sexual contact let alone him raping her. None of the media that made a villain out of him, ever 2/?
Sublime1981
wrote retracting statements or apologized for their rush to judgement.
DontTalkToMeOrMyWaifuEverAgain
One of my greatest fears is being accused of rape when I know I didn't do it. I am always wait for evidence when it comes to these things
Kierbear2g
I don't fear that at all, because it's so astonishingly rare that as a dude, I'm more likely to be raped than falsely accused.
IWATCHDEATH
This is how the court of public opinion works for most crimes
howaboutthisonethen
The court of imgur too. This community is disgusting.
Anabur
The issue is that if you'd commented "Let's wait to see what they find," you'd have been accused of defending a rapist. Rape culture, etc.
Sublime1981
I want to ask the question "what is your ideal sequence of events" following a rape accusation. Just to see what these people want.
Sublime1981
Do they want an accusation to just be treated as guilt? She said he did it, case closed? Seems they think investigation is victim blaming
HateThePlayerAndTheGame
I would have sued the State of Virginia as a response - $60k in lawyer fees just to prove that your ex had second thoughts? Fuck that
EricEss
Would not fly. If there is enough PC for a Magistrate to issue a warrant, the state is covered. You realize if they didn't arrest 1/2
MichaelGenovese
That 60k number doesn't seem realistic to me at all for a semester's worth of legal work.
mountainofpuppies
How is it legal to charge someone lawyer fees if they've been falsely accused???
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AllottaFagina
You can get a public defender for free i believe but depending on your county they pay be shit.
Wimpymind
In denmark a few years back, we had a debate about how to classify the US, and how to handle visas etc, as it was suggested, seriously, that
Wimpymind
the US justice system was based on "money makes right". Makes you wonder when first world countries start thinking you are corrupt. Or it
Wimpymind
SHOULD make you think.
Mimsey
And imagine the guys that can't afford a lawyer. There was one scandal in which 4 or 5 black guys on a college football team got accused.[1]
Mimsey
None of them could afford attorneys. They all grew up poor. It was DNA evidence linked to the chick's boyfriend that cleared them. [2]
carolinaguuurl
An attorney will be provided, free of charge.
DickCheneytheDefilerBanned
Sometimes you get a real shifty one
carolinaguuurl
Can request another on from the judge.
DickCheneytheDefilerBanned
sometimes all you get is shitty ones. Public defenders have a reputation of being well meaning lawyers that had their souls crushed long ago
dgabbless
and he will spend an average of 4 minutes on you and the other hundred people he is representing.
metaspy
People who falsely accuse rape should be sentenced with the same punishment they would have dolled out on an innocent person
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metaspy
shazam! nice find
Velexis
As long as it can be proved that the accusation was malicious, and not just wrong. So no "I think it might be him, but I'm not sure"
metaspy
specifically i am talking about situations like OP went thru. There is no question the ex was intentionally making a false accusation
Mistercristo
*doled, and I completely agree.
Xkalnar
Falsiflying a police report is already a crime. If you could prove it was malicious you could probably sue for defamation of character too.
gebsmith1
Unfortunately there is a widespread precedent where the justice department doesn't press charges even if there is evidence the accuser lied.
Xkalnar
People just don't press charges / counter-sue in these situations. Maybe if they did this shit wouldn't happen as often...
blueluck
They do, you just don't hear about it. For one thing, it takes a long time, so the cases aren't news anymore. Also, gag order clauses. (1/2)
blueluck
Also, malicious false accusations are uncommon, and rarely make it all the way to legal action. (2/2)
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arednecksquirel
Fuck it they can vilify me, I'll take them to court for enough to not have to deal with the public ever again
gamblingpoet
So, 3 months?
metaspy
humorous! average sentence for convicted rapists was 9.8 years, while the actual time served was 5.4 years
fairybug
I totally agree. However, there should be an addendum for mistaken identification. Like if it was dark/you didn't see the attacker's face.1
fairybug
If it was an honest accident, then the victim shouldn't suffer more for that. 2/2
AliElkie
Problems arise when it becomes "he said/she said". When the accused is found innocent due to lack of evidence, is the accuser instantly(1/?)
AliElkie
charged with lying? You couldn't prove that the accused was guilty but that doesn't always mean you proved they were innocent. And even(2/?)
AliElkie
if you did prove they were innocent, that doesn't mean the accuser wasn't raped, it could just be mistaken identity. It gets really (3/4)
AliElkie
complicated legally, which is part of why I think this isn't part of the law (4/4)
Zarkai
Feel the need say that I'm not making an argument against you here.The legal system where I'm from has a 3rd verdict for what you described.
Zarkai
Other comments were suggesting it'd have to be proven to be malicious so I imagine it'd go to judging the mens rea as in many other cases.
HungLikeTheVirginMary
Fuck that. How do you propose figuring out for certain that they were falsely accusing someone. If we knew that we wouldn't need courts.
NachomanDandyCabbage
Agreed, even if the accused is cleared of all charges no one can get rid of that stigma that ruins their life.
kasaku
Being cleared of charges isn't proving the victim to be a liar though, it just means they lacked proof they were telling the truth.
BourbonBuck
So what do you want though? The person being branded for life because of accusation. We've moved past the Scarlet Letter
kasaku
They're not being branded for life. And are you not aware of libel law?