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Lycanthian
Remember when Gene Simmons tried to claim he invented it and the entire rock community turned on him? Fuck KISS
BenBateman
RJD is one of the best vocalists in all of Metal
Honeypotsniffer
One of the greatest voices in the history of metal. Man was he great!
BeckyGaladriel
Ronnie James Dio was a rock god. That's all anyone really needs to know!
TheRealGeorgeMcfly
poppinfresh92
Damu
kahooki
HotelFourSix
BIGboyhotdog
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AFistfulOfDollHairs
Ow! My eyes!
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WeAreOctopi
I think his grandmother was confused. It’s the malocchio in Italy, or means you’re cuckolded
shamanbaptist
It depends: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_horns
shamanbaptist
My Italian Grandmother wore these to protect from the evil eye: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71Ap53fAmQL._AC_UL1500_.jpg
eyemastervideo5
It's all fiction anyway
N0MamesGuey
The MS 13 gang adopted it as their main hand sign. Documentary on the founders states they were fans of the band
jlriosJumper
Really, I don't think I've ever seen a picture of them doing that hand sign.
N0MamesGuey
Here in SF in the 90’s 20th St and mission was their turf. Gang injunctions quickly got them arrested and deported. (1/2)
N0MamesGuey
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/12/20/you-feel-that-the-devil-is-helping-you-ms-13s-satanic-history/
fredhoffman1968
RJD 4 LIFE
Sekai
zorlonjones
georgeforsythe6911
Well does it?
DigYourselfBaby
len0k
??
vectorsigma211187
Holllyyyyy diver
heretohavefun22
So the perfect song for that would be "Shout at the Devil" right?
quzar
Jinx Dawson, lead singer of metal band Coven, is usually credited for popularizing this. She was doing it at live shows a few years before >
quzar
> Black Sabbath formed. Her parents were into esoteric practices and she learned the sign as a secret gesture from them.
Tourangeau1
I watched him do that way back in the day! On the black and blue tour!
Peelpeel
And the upside-down cross was used to show respect towards jesus dying on the cross
POGassultraboot
Wasn’t that how St Peter was crucified?
GreatPhoenix
Correct, it's actually called Saint Peter's cross
DeviousWay
Some believe it wasn’t even a cross, but an X.
dehny87
St Andrew was supposedly crucified on a X
DeviousWay
Oops, my mistake!
Asteroidrules
Yup, as a result that cross is known as the cross of Saint Peter, and is the symbol of The Pope.
Peelpeel
Correct he didn't want to die the same way jesus did
coalminersknuckle
I always suspected he meant just didn’t want to be crucified but they were like “oh ok. Watch us flip this mofo like a coin”
Peelpeel
Or an australian wanted it the other way
valekseye
And the swastika was originally a sign of love. Some things change. Immutably.
RedKale
Some random old dude who stopped me and offered tea while I was cycling in Vietnam had it tattooed on his hand.
darkdragonempress
Not love but good fortune. We should all be angry the nazi’s perverted it.
Sauroctonus
Saying it can't be changed back feels like letting the Nazis keep it.
Ricdesan
One of the top 10 greatest metal voices of all time. Was blessed to see him a handful of times when I was a kid!
jlriosJumper
Saw him in the Last In Line tour in Houston Texas
Ricdesan
You too got to see him at his best. My only regret NOT seeing him with the rest of Black Sabbath as I pick those albums over Ozzys always
jlriosJumper
Man that Heaven and Hell album is f****** badass
Ricdesan
Still gives me chills.
mrbadxampl
I'm more offended that the Texas Longhorns fans have stolen it
Dragonfury5
Well it makes more sense to me. At least you can see a relative symbolism
WilliamKeith
W. flashed the sign as the Longhorn Band passed his stand at the Inaugural. Things had to be explained to the international audience. %^)
barf1189
Why? Are they particularly horrible people?
inkpod
They're worse than Texans
SimonTheGodOfHairdoos
As a Texan, can confirm.
BedBugDude
Dio is Italian for God so he flashes the devil horns to say he fucked your wife. ~ excerpt from Teddy Roosevelt's Diary
botnus
Really it likely means that somewhere down his paternal line was an orphan as this was a common name given to foundlings.
RocinanteBelongsToMars
Always trust the internet.
ElToro1971
As far asI remember Dio was of greek origins
grovberg
I’ve seen him tell this story on television (VH1) for what it’s worth, so Dio believes it to be true. Gene Simmons also claims it.
grovberg
But Gene says a lot of things.
coalminersknuckle
Racealistic
OHh iTs a bAsebalL
Iaimtomisbehave
That Teddy, such a corker!
FuriousBakedPotato
I feel like this is a reference to something...
JhericFury
That's why I prefer my bands to have unambiguously demonic symbols, don't want you sneaking Jesus in the back door.
W4RG4ZM
Hell yes.
Nuttsy
Would it make you feel better if I it apparently exists in that capacity across most of the Mediterranean, as well as Hinduism?
Digimontana
That's what priests are for.
DingusMcGhee
I heard it was cause of his lost finger tip due to work accident meaning he has to hold the pick like that. I’m probably wrong and no sauce
Schmaron
You’re thinking of Toni Iommi. RJD was a vocalist
DingusMcGhee
You are right sir and I now realise it and feel pretty dumb
Schmaron
Right church, wrong pew. Lol. Because Dio took over lead vocals when Ozzy went solo. Keep on rockin’ brother! ??
Nuraalek
Ozzy was kicked out of Sabbath for being too into drugs, and this from a band that was permanently high in the 70s.
DigYourselfBaby
Don't feel bad! Everybody does it. :)
PrincePiggo
linuxfailer
i've seen this before. this means nothing to greeks. just that you are a metalhead.
Sauroctonus
What about Italy? Isn't that where Dio's granny was from?
Pacoyol
I’m from Mexico and this means Heavy Metal more than you have been cheated, true story!!
koflan
"real" men, real "style"
AodhanVeIshtar
Brazilians will take it as offensive in the cursing context, but are(heavily) receptive to it's positive rock symbology
Peelpeel
In america it's holding up the peace sign behind someone's head
dancingspaceflower
I've only ever seen that used as bunny ears when taking a picture
aschoo
In Italy too
zorlonjones
I'm going to need more of these. Like all of them. Please.
JayH8
Same... Must be a website somewhere?
IanHowe
If you live somewhere where cuckoldry is so prevalent that it has its own gesture, you might want to explore other options giggity
TheBlueMuppet
One in the pink, and also one in the stink.
BasicAuth
I'm Greek, this is nonsense.
Xenarion
Huh, never heard of that in France...
Patient00
Nonsense
davegregorovitch
spiderman be cuckin nations
CouldNotFindAWittyUsername
In Spain, also as a childish prank in group photos (someone puts it at the back of your head so you appear to have horns). But for metal too
DarksteelPenguin
The association of horns with "being cheated on" is common in France, but I never heard of someone signaling it this way.
INeedMoreGifMeMoreJustOneMore
Also in Spain. Handsign must be performed against your forehead
hkcpapi
Because it's not, at least not since a long time ago.
MagicAndDuctTape
?
CassandraCat
That's so specific
TheGTeck
As a french, that's either bullshit or very old. Never saw this associated to anything except metalheads here.
Xenarion
Or it's regional.
HardTimeKillinFoulNews
Ok then, as a Mediterranean French, we don't do that either.
Lehoop
Neither in the North East
TheDudzzly
Exactement. What a load of BS.
GieopJoze
100% BS for France.
Gitsnik
« Ce qu’il a dit »
jesuisgur
As a french, I remember it being used to imply cuckoldry, but not by pointing it at the person, but by putting it behind your own head and ½
jesuisgur
looking it at the person (usually behind his back). 2/2
EdoubleLIOdoubleT
There has got to be someone else wondering if "as a French" is correct
sammmuel
I'm French and live in Brazil. Not a thing in Brazil neither...wtf
TheGTeck
Je peux aussi répondre en français mais moins de gens vont me comprendre.
designjunkie
tu n'as pas tort
Lehoop
C'est pas faux
therewk
Ah ? Qu'est-ce que tu n'as pas compris ? :)
EdoubleLIOdoubleT
Je vous remercie.... I don't speak French at all, but thanks to the internet I was able to effortlessly understand you.. the internet 1/2
EdoubleLIOdoubleT
2/2 is truly an amazing tool... Honestly... It's an absolute fucking marvel when used correctly
MexicanHandOff
5/6 of those countries are REALLY into metal... I'd be willing to bet that gesture isn't offensive in those places.
Scrotality
Now I got curious. Which one is the 1/6?
MexicanHandOff
I don't hear much of Greek people being into metal. I could be very wrong though.
BasicAuth
I can confirm that Greeks are not that into metal, especially older generations.
Nuraalek
IMO, the best modern thrash band is Greek though - Suicidal Angels
siberianhufky
Mexico being the exception? Brazil is definitely top
MexicanHandOff
Mexico loves metal. I was thinking Greece.
siberianhufky
There’s a few Greek metal bands around, none of major note. Has a few festivals. Let’s be honest though, all countries should like metal
CouldNotFindAWittyUsername
It is in Spain. But we use it for both. Very frequent in rock/metal concerts, but also when expressing someone has cheated, because 1/2
CouldNotFindAWittyUsername
the phrase we use for "cheating" is "poner los cuernos", which literally means "putting horns" 2/2
vlej
just don't do it in southern italy
FunnyThingsHappening6677
It means the other is "cornuto" (corno=horn), means he was cheated on
Dragongirl7256
hahahshahaHA ON MY SCHOOL ITALY TRIP A DUDE DID THAT TO A TRUCKER HE FOLLOWED OUR BUS FOR LIKE 30 MINUTES
snikpmupgnihsamseht
Why not?
kurgs
I feel like there’s an episode of The Golden Girls where Sophia does this to a neighbor who won’t move his tree that fell on their property.
squirrelkng
Beat me too it
alphanius
Or Spain
Taunismausi
Or Spain, only if you want to insult someone telling his/her partner is cheating
JollyJokzr
That sounds oddly specific, although I can see why you'd want to be out of speaking distance
gucchan13
I mean, it's more contextual.... If done towards someone it's bad, if pointing down is usually to throw away your bad luck.
vlej
that's a scongiuro and is distinctly different the way you do it and point it, as you mention
gucchan13
Beh ci siamo capiti :)
WeAreOctopi
Malocchio it’s the evil eye. I think he got that backwards.
IAmTheEarlyEvening
Dio began using it because his Nona used it for giving the evil eye AND protection against it. Source- Metal: A Headbanger's Journey
vlej
it can be, historically, used to refer to evil eye. in more modern use it's often used to mean a spell put on you to your detriment.
palmo
It literally translates to evil or bad eye, which is a spell or hex the it's placed on you to your determinant.
vlej
it has a complex origination, it was born as a term referred to malice placed using just the yes, looking at someone, then evolved
devilshire52
Explain
Zaruzen
Don't use devil horn sign in southern Italy
bigrockcandymountain
cornuto, the horned pig. means your wife is cheating on you. weird insult but meh
nppraxis
It's essentially the Italian middle finger. It means "sei cornuto" which basically means "you are a cuckold". Source: am southern Italian
Iatesomecoffeecups
Never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line
Mostlydeadpool
Because they take the evil eye VERY seriously there.
angryscreechingnoise
"that just means you're a beta cuck." - mephiles the hedgehog (sonic 2006)
JOKERZwild86
Their version of the shocker , two in the pews
imophalblue
Cuckolds horns. Your wife is cheating on you.
GhostofCain
With the devil?
IPlayWithFire
Does it still mean "your wife is cheating" if I point this sign at a woman? Or a kid? Or some man i know isnt married?. Context matters
imsam77
Short version....you're putting a curse on the person you're doing this to.
n0th1n
Dio based it specifically on the guard against that curse he learned (which is what the post is about). The curse and defense look similar.
imsam77
Malocchio i think is the name
CatatonicCowMoo
I keep pronouncing that like pinocchio in my head and I can't stop giggling.
vlej
they are, in fact, pronounced in a very similar manner bar for the first sillable or so
Scrotality
That sounds metal as fuck.
imsam77
So appropriate!
vlej
various reasons. historically, in some areas, some people see it as associated to malocchio and similar magical superstitions (jinx/curse)
lucachris
Maloccio is the evil eye that was mentioned in the original post. MAL= bad/evil, OCCHIO= eye. 1/2
lucachris
The offense comes when it is perceived that you are, sort of, redirecting it towards someone else.
beoluves
Ye Olde Go To Horny Jail
vlej
but more to the point and more universally, horns in italy when directed to someone mean "sei cornuto" (you are horny as in have horns)
meglatron
I thought it was an indication that the person's wife was having an affair, or something like that.
n0th1n
That's why Dio would raise it not at people typically, but in front of them. Hold one way to give, one way to block.
vlej
which is essentially an accusation of being married or engaged to a cheating spouse. Horns are what you get when you get cheated on.
lietotheelderly
I like it better as a curse to make someone hornier. Particularly at time when it's inconvenient to be super horned up
belortik
So it's a hand sign to call someone a cuck?
donutsauce
Til observe others next time I'm at a concert abroad...
Madv1lla1n
Mess with the Bull...
idontcareifthesundontshine
Can confirm as am married to a southern Italian, this is why they prefer the thumb and pinky hand shaky gesture. Useful as you can also
s1983kett
Same in German: der gehörnte Ehemann - the horned husband. Means. His wife cheated on him.
tubbyst
Cuckold
HumphreyDumfrey
Horn gestures have been fairly universally used to denote a cuckold (even in Othello) - A cuckold would grow horns only others could see.
DarksteelPenguin
Funny, the same expression exist in France.
AbortableToaster
I know they're Italian words n all, but they sound like an order from starbucks put together
vlej
I could see some guy walking in a starbucks asking for a Malocchio Cornuto Venti