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Some perpetual motion machines and why they don't work
since as early as the 8th Century we have descriptions of 'continuously moving wheels' and other forms being experimented with. It is an aspect of science that has fascinated for centuries and it was only with the understanding of the laws of thermodynamics that we know that such machines wouldn't work, and why. All machines leech energy, and many of these are defeated by friction or equilibrium. A pure form of perpetual motion would not rely on gravity either, but as you can see, even with the assistance of gravity, none of these are successful.
I thought you'd enjoy seeing them as concepts. All the video clips are run by hidden motors.
Self flowing flask. Robert Boyle 1627-1691
Concept: the flask relies on capillary action - the means by which a tree is able to suck water upwards against gravity, - it requires a very specific size of tube to flask ratio, so that the volume of the tube is less than the volume of the flask, and the pressure from the water in the flask pushes the water in the tube up and over into the top of the flask.
Why it doesn't work: as Aristotle says, "water seeks its own level" - liquids seek equilibrium, the water would find a point where both sides contained the same pressure and stop. In reality all that would happen would be that the water would form a droplet at the top of the tube, but it wouldn't create sufficient pressure to break the surface tension and start to pour. What about a siphon? Well a siphon depends on having its output lower than its input whereas in this design the output is above the input of the tube, so using it as a siphon wouldn't work either.
1829 perpetual railway
Concept: the rail sections diverge, making the gap between them wider at the end than at the beginning, they also slant slightly uphill. A weighted wheel made from cones will climb up the slope - due to its centre of mass getting lower and lower as it rolls forward - drop to the next and continue.
Why it doesn't work: while the cones appear to be moving uphill, because the centre of the wheel is getting lower as the wheel moves forward it is in fact moving downhill, which would result in the cone requiring a lower and lower track level in order to keep moving forward, in much the same way as an ordinary wheel moves downhill. Hence this is moving downhill not uphill and will stop when it can no longer do so.
overbalanced wheel Villard de Honnecourt 1225-1250
Concept: the weights drop down as they overbalance, dragging the wheel with them. Variations on this idea go back as far as the 8th Century in India and Arabia.
Why it doesn't work: if you notice, when each hammer drops, it actually jerks the wheel backwards a fraction, meaning large amounts of kinetic energy is being lost in thermal energy and friction. Self evidently the motion could not be continued indefinitely as a result of how much is lost.
Edward Somerset, Marquis of Worcester 1601-1667 and Jacob Leupold
Concept: the weights in the rim will roll down their paths resulting in them being further away from the centre of the wheel than the balls on the other -upward- side, dragging the wheel around by their weight as they fall down.
Why it doesn't work: like the other overbalanced wheels, its aim is in fact its undoing. It's true that the further the weights are from the centre of rotational axis the greater the 'gravitational torque' is - the drag in a rotating direction on the wheel, caused by gravity on the falling balls - BUT the moment of inertia required to rotate the wheel increases with distance as well. No matter the distance of the balls from the centre, the mass needed is always proportional to the square of the radius, so as the distance from the centre gets bigger the force required to make it move also grows, meaning there is no net gain in moving the weights.
F G Woodward 1900s
Concept: the large wheel is heavier than the 2 rollers, and almost all of its weight is off-centre, to the left, forcing it to roll downwards, potentially indefinitely.
Why it doesn't work: without outside force the wheel would not begin to turn. Basically if a wheel can move equally well in either direction, you can be sure it isn't going to move in either direction on its own, it will just sit at rest. Even when initiated by an outside force, like a hand in this case, friction would eventually slow the wheel to a stop.
disclaimer: I am not a physicist, so my explanations on how these work and don't work will be a little basic, if anyone wants to add extra or more accurate information, I will happily edit in the interest of accuracy, and credit of course. Appreciation to @timgurnaregretthis for help with some of the more difficult concepts!
captainlishang
forgot one
mikeatike
disclaimer: I am not a physicist, and neither is anyone that claims these things work.
HouseOfEvil
These would all work if OP had just looped the gifs.
imgurnaregretthis
Your explanations are great actually!
SlipperyJsGlisteningThighs
Lisa! In this house we obey the rules of Thermodynamics!!
ThePrintingPress
...and this perpetual motion machine she made today is a Joke! It just keeps going faster and faster!
KosherKill
#6 creates a perpetual engine in Besiege
Relsus
Homer Simpson: "In this house, we OBEY the laws of thermodynamics!"
goldensky
Just have a human occasionally fix it. Burn calories for free energy. Goodness knows we don't need all these calories.
Dontcaredeadinside
Right? I mean, near perpetual is fine too, just give it a nudge!
TheVanderManCan
Always upvote science.
ObiWannaCannoli
And booty. But mostly science.
Rumo2me
Aren't they really the same?
wildweekendbitch
On this site they are.
mxjxs91
Are we all going to ignore that the one wheel in #4 just vanished into thin air. How they do dat!?
NicCageTheScienceMage
Barmn
Thinking about it now, that is definitely meant to evoke GLaDOS camera eyes watching you across the text chambers. Graphic design is so cool
Barmn
Aperture Science actually gets its name and logo from camera lens http://images.camerasteps.com/uploads/2014/12/camerasteps-aperture-62.jpg
NicCageTheScienceMage
http://imgur.com/Npch8v0
hypostatic
I mean, the problem with "perpetual motion" is basically friction and/or gravity. (1)
hypostatic
You could even make a PPM, but you couldn't get more energy out of the system than you put in initially
HelpaBrotherOut
I actually don't even think its possible to make a ppm..
fasdaffas
Given inherent losses of any physical process, a PMM must overcome those on top of propelling itself. Thus outputting more than input.
catsbikespizza
TL;DR Law of conservation of energy is why perpetual motion is impossible
malcore1976
I don't want to force this, but enjoy your up-vote for science
chowmaster
As I am not a physicist either, I thoroughly enjoyed these.
iamireland
I remember a few years ago I was apparently bored enough to argue with all the morons on YouTube who thought these were real.
mikeatike
I am sure a few will show up in the comments on imgur.
CorneliusCornwall
The self flowing flask may not work but is neat to watch
RelevantForOnce
whynaugthpie
Physics on imgur is It my birthday
Solkanarmy
TLDR: none of them work because of physics.
Dismang
this one works explain that!
xXxHELLxXxYEAHxXx
haha laughed my ass off!
IncapableOfGuile
Anyone got this gif in better quality?
Dismang
I post the highest quality gif I can find within 20 seconds the video is better tho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk3xBhqcjqY
TeraGX
I expected this for the cat tax.
gameskilledvideostar
That poor cat. It's gonna be so dizzy.
gotdatfireanddemroids
Perpetual motion requires energy input to start and using any of these to do work would remove energy, eventually stopping the motion.
TheOneCalledKarl
Thank you! This is a good work storing machine what has few opposing forces.
gotdatfireanddemroids
http://imgur.com/DiuBWkh
PerKenDoro
Still friction, not perpetual.
eggmuffin
Exactly. A machine like this functions like a battery, not a generator. It just stores kinetic energy instead of electricity. It's useless.
Ovarv
Actually a battery storing kinetic energy is very useful, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel
drphaust
Wouldn't these machines still have useful applications? Even if they need a small amount of nrg to start and eventually stop.
IJUSTMADETHEVOICEINYOURHEADYELL
NOT REALLY, YOU'LL NEVER GET MORE ENERGY OUT OF THEM THAN YOU PUT IN. THEY SOMETIMES MAKE COOL DESK ITEMS THOUGH.
jmartkdr
Maybe if you needed a slow-turning wheel that doesn't push anything, like a kaleidoscope thingie.
iamireland
I think you've missed the point. Perpetual motion doesn't require anything, it doesn't exist.
gotdatfireanddemroids
I haven't missed anything. I understand that it does not exist. I should have put that "perpetual motion" in quotes.
LordNoodles
Needs more magnets.
LysergicFarriswheel
A magnet that is pushed by magnets that its surrounded by in a large circle encapsullated in copper will produce power. 0 friction on magnet
Rand0mP3rs0n
as the magnet passes through the copper the electricity generated will form a magnetic field which opposes its movement.
Rand0mP3rs0n
( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu7O63gPkTw )
NovemberIndiaCharlieKilo
That last one seems like it would work, at least for a while, if magnets were used to eliminate friction. Why aren't we funding this!?
Jodybug
Why don't you get on that, and be rich and famous?
NovemberIndiaCharlieKilo
Too stupid :(
silnocus
I think you're missing the point.
NovemberIndiaCharlieKilo
No I totally get entropy. But a lack of friction would extend the motion of this machine.
silnocus
The point being that funding it would be pointless. Even eliminating friction from the rollers, you'd still have friction from the air, 1/2
silnocus
and that's ignoring the fact that this machine doesn't even move unless you put energy into it to begin with. Energy in < energy out, so 2/3
NovemberIndiaCharlieKilo
I was kidding about funding it. But honestly someone might make money selling it as a novelty product. It doesn't have to change the world.
zombiesphere
They don't work? Looks like they worked to me.
hupatabunga
illusion, dont be fooled
madsin
You missed a line in the intro. They're all run by hidden motors. No one has invented a device like this that actually works.
hupatabunga
the right answer is: physics has proven it is impossible, until we can bend space time and gravity...
silnocus
Haven't you seen Interstellar? WAKE UP SHEEPLE
zombiesphere
Oh shit..
madsin
every one of those systems would produce friction, which is always a lose of energy.
Mintipony
Why not lube up
madsin
That only reduces friction, or makes things slide in easier if you catch my drift. giggity.
MaladaptedMedic
lube will decrease friction... but never to 0. There will always be friction, so they would all eventually stop
whyteraven74
The self-flowing flask would eventually be stopped by evaporation if left in open air.
Diezen
ENTROPY
whyteraven74
Yeah the actual problem, I was just pointing out that IF it did work, well evaporation would eventually stop it.
EpicBigWhale
Seal up scale it massively put a mill style wheel in the flow turning a generator free power
mikeatike
No.
EpicBigWhale
Yes.
mikeatike
Maybe.
EpicBigWhale
Yes.
CoolHandTim
I think the upvotes on this will self-perpetuate, ultimately proving you wrong.
WhimsicalCalamari
They will appear to, but over time, they will taper off until approaching and ultimately reaching 0, just like a perpetual motion machine.
sangatster
Not sure what is more fascinating about this comment, the philosophy or the science
afewgoodjewfros
Eventually the post will move so far into the archives that the amount of people to see and upvote would decrease to infinitesimally small.
NipplesInAJar
"All natural and technological processes proceed in such a way that the availability of the remaining energy decreases."
Iamgurian
Actually does energy ever decrease? Or does it simply change form into heat energy, and dissipate away, becoming unusable?
OkNowKith
Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transfered.
sabaxter
Why perpetual motion doesn't work: Friction.
LetsGetThisOverWith
If we could create a frictionless substance than I feel these may work.
gardell
Except if you find a glitch in the matrix
ThousandEyesCEO
Which is funny because we've been trying to make these things work just for friction to create energy.
GeeEm
When perpetual motion does work: Fiction.
sweetbeatdown
Agreed. Lets move onto that Free Energy floating around.
vowofloudness
Entropy.
AvatarYangchen
one of these but with magnets somehow? in a vacuum perhaps?
AvatarYangchen
and sufficiently far away from gravity
wavesofvibrations
which is a result of gravity, is it not?
TheMaskedPharmacist
No, friction is its own thing. Gravity provides the contact force necessary for things to rub together (as in every high school example) 1/
TheMaskedPharmacist
But friction is ignored in most intro physics systems, e.g. fluid dynamics, flight, etc. 2/2
jmartkdr
No, just two things coming into contact with each other while at least one is moving.
TheMaskedPharmacist
Also static friction where both objects are motionless.
112864
needs more WD40
iwanttoaggressivelysqueezeteemo
I think these would all be excellent designs if you are operating in a frictionless system.
The5lacker
So is literally anything else spinning.
InCaseOfStairsUseFire
Agreed. But we need friction more than we don't need it.
Mergul
Yes, some of them would potentially spin forever. There would still be no way to extract work from them without them stopping.
Nyther53
Or if they were spherical chickens in a vacuum.
Jamele
http://imgur.com/up0aUBR There is a working piece in Heureka (Finnish science center). How it generates energy is kept well hidden. 1/2
methylorange42
Reminds me of this clock, which works on day/night temperature difference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverly_Clock
Jamele
Though it hasn't been approved as THE perpetual machine because they keep it well oiled (it isn't self sustainable). 2/2
IncapableOfGuile
Why don't they just use the energy it creates to have it lube itself?
gracielefreebush
It puts the lotion on its skin...
Jensaw101
Even if a perpetual motion machine was possible, it wouldn't generate energy. It would only preserve it's input energy indefinitely.
WorldsSmallestMegaDick
Its simple just create a microverse http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2015/08/screen_shot_2015-08-31_at_7.11.57_am.png
StandardDeviant
God, you don't know the first thing about car repair
Aelinsaar
Miniverse.
IronAngel2k3
TONY STARK BUILT THIS IN A CAVE WITH SCRAPS
Thishouldestroyou
"simple"
trapazoid
make sure the ramp goes down nice and slow
MichiTheCat
Peace in the universe for you.
Houstonruss
Fuck you.
Maerada
If you ever want to patent a perpetual motion machine in the US, you must first show them a working prototype.
MikeBigJohnson
The closest anyone has ever come is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlx2PgESXhs
bornin1992
And doesn't it have to be running for at least 2 years to be considered?
soupisforwinners
Atmos clocks are as close to perpetual motion as you can get.
TetraCyberCat
And how long is it supposed to work before a patent is granted? a few months? Idk how long these pseudo-pmm's actually work.
norill
forever
TetraCyberCat
I used to imagine perpetual motion machines when i was a kid. all illusions shattered when i took thermodynamics class. :(
DocVolt
don't worry my friend. some idiots still believes it and try to sell it for epic science oil company hides from us
tripozornike
You don't need a working prototype anymore. They got rid of that awhile ago. *source: google that shit.
Rotmaster
Its cuz a real one would turn modern physics completely upside down, and would no doubt be the greatest invention past and future
fasdaffas
That's why they won't allow it, man. They're trying to keep the little guy down!
Rotmaster
That's because it's one of 2 technologies that's scientifically forbidden the other being precognition
Kilvari
Precognition is scientifically probable, just highly doubtful. If you could know the exact position of every atom in the universe you (1/2)
Kilvari
(2/2) could theoretically know every future event that will happen.
Rotmaster
Precognition violates causality in Michio Kaku's book physics of the impossible he clearly states precognition is impossible because of it
patotheduck
They threw me out when I showed them my design. Luckily I was wearing my prototype suit of a cat on my back & buttered toast on my chest.
nesurame
I get that reference
Tblaster00
You must be very dizzy.
sangatster
Advice from experience?
InternalServerError
I believe it's actually a rule that was added because of tons of quacks patenting devices that didn't work.
sangatster
Must date back to when filing them was affordable. Last I heard it cost $10K.
nation543
OP says they don't work but the gifs show that they do clearly work. i am confuse
AbhorrentCasserole
The GIFS are too short, and some of the machines are too inefficient to be true perpetual motion machines.
MoveAlongNothingtoSeeHere
Key word here being perpetual. GIFs are just a few seconds long, all will eventually stop due to the reasons provided, usually friction.
nation543
ah, that makes sense. thanks for explaining, rather than downvoting because "OP SAID SO!"
itsamazing
I'm sorry if that was not sufficiently clear.
nation543
heh, i was just confused. i was like, "but... but it does work. are my eyes broken?" O.O
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someoneyay
bwahaha. only works indoor, with lights on.
Sm9yCg
Well, in light of day it would appear to work.
Papercookies
This looks legit... I think... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU5JvO1opkk
Jumpfart
So...it was powered by solar energy, not itself?
eisbaerBorealis
I'm guessing he was claiming that the light from the lamp would power the solar panel, powering itself.
Mindereak
He think he meant that the light produced by the lamp was powering the lamp when "absorbed" by the solar panel attached to it.
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FredTwo
It's not exactly difficult though
MasterAsh
The light for the solar panel is supposed to be provided by the light not the sun)
ifthisismylastchancetosayitrosetyleri
I had a friend tell me he was working on a phone app that would overheat a phone just enough for it to charge itself from the heat. Yeah.
waynebradybitch
2) to charge the battery through heat the current LiON batteries would get damaged from the heat and would not last nearly as long.
waynebradybitch
1) there is an app with the sole purpose of heating the phone but i have no idea why someone would do that. also, even if it were possible
waynebradybitch
3) 2 layers of failure.
fasdaffas
Or that charging isn't 100% efficient. Or that discharging isn't 100% efficient. Or that heat to electricity conversion 2/3
fasdaffas
Is that aside from the fact that energy wasted in heating the phone would never be recovered in charging? 1/3
fasdaffas
isn't 100% efficient. Or that a lot of heat would simply escape. Just making sure... 3/3
ifthisismylastchancetosayitrosetyleri
Yes.
Mallear
(1/2) So, the issue here isn't immediately apparent, but it does exist. You CAN have a bulb that puts out enough light to power itself using
cjackc
No No solar panel is even close to 100% efficient plus any heat is other energy wasted.
Mallear
Read the rest. My whole point was that it's not efficient, that energy is lost, and that it's not truly a closed system.
IFavoriteRandomUserSubPosts
(2/2) assorted Dickbutt pictures taken from the front page.
Mallear
I mean, you're probably right.
Mallear
(2/3) a solar panel. The problem is that the light is coming from overheating the filament, and that bulbs eventually wear out. The energy
Mallear
(3/3) it takes to make a new bulb exceeds the energy generated by the bulb/solar panel combo, and thus this is not a perpetual machine.
Mallear
Note: Had this submitted as an idea where I work. Someone made a closed box, solar panels on the inside walls, fluorescent bulbs in (1/2)
LordScamingham
Did it by chance only work during the day?
CarlTheLlamaBoy
Probably has a large battery. Still useless though
jrblast
They sell those for like 5 bucks as garden lights.
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amishcannoli
I love and hate people like that. Especially when you're intelligent enough to call them on their bullshit.
goste
I imagine the solar panel was to generate power to keep the light on to keep the pv cells generating to power the light to... ad infinitum
slappy11
Is that possible?
merlinious0
Correction: it is not possible to maintain brightness. You can power a bulb briefly.
merlinious0
Nope.
ManuelSkir
No. A light wastes energy as heat while producing light, even if it didn't, a photo voltaic maxes out @ 41% efficiency for the best (1/2)