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Feb 11, 2019 10:02 AM
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Funny.
Mumalot
OR y'know, we could live in a nation where you DONT need to be famous to afford healthcare.
uncletouchysbasement
Sure a 2 year old said "father take my money, get the medical treatment you sorely need"
DefundIsraelTheGenocidalNation
What was his monetization model?
PrestoGC
justkidneying
That's... not.. how kidney transplants work.
NapkinBob
Success kid? You mean "sandcastle kid"?
Nobascotia
If that kid could talk I'm sure he'd want to spend the money on candy not kidney
laneymg
Hey, Do you think you could take a photo of that ad to send to me? I’d really appreciate it!!!
lupinypupper
This has to be 5 - 10 years old by now, right?
laneymg
The photo is 13 years old now, taken in 2006, and the boy is 12 until September. ?
Joeharm
Why would he need to fund his Dad’s kidney transplant? Doesn’t the health system take care of that?
Droppedmywispa
Is everyone on here sick ?
pennyeater
sick of the status quo. yes.
ZlaZena
Thanks to tax paid health care my kids wont have to make a meme to keep me alive.
glassware
Yet in every other modern country nobody had to raise money for medical care
ivegottwolegs
Source?
ArtOfKarolMichalec
Why would you need a source, an image of said kid at the age when he was a kid surely is enough
St3WasHere
From 2015: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/dad-success-kid-undergoes-successful-kidney-transplant/story?id=33159971
iamyourfathersbrothersnephewscousinsformerroommate
stronomer
Friend of mine is a cancer survivor, has diabetis and a new kidney, and now two cochlea implants. Didn't need famous kid: not the USA.
BORGALOOGIE
With one hospital visit my bill is for over a month of my net income. Also, might be old and gray before escaping student loans. Hooray!
laneymg
Right with you, having to play the “healthcare or food/rent/etc”, routine too. It’s so wrong to damn those already damned with poor health.
BORGALOOGIE
Life of Brian...
?noredirect
agermanguy
Yeah we have healthcare for that
ImgurPlz
You must live outside the US.
mattmmcgriff10
“Healthcare” in the US isn’t “awful” by any means. In fact it is stellar. “Health Insurance” is the issue.
IsaacNuetron
There is the bit about the distribution of the fabulous healthcare.It's weak in preventative care to mitigate problems in some demographics
skylin05
Healthcare is great if you can afford it. Many people can't. I know if something was wrong with me right now I'd probably either have to-
skylin05
ask my parents for help or hope it doesn't kill me.
Registeredfordeuce
Of course it is , gotta spend billions and billions on military equipment while we are not fighting wars
WelcomeToMagrathea
I believe you mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_aLESDql1U
omh2
So terrible irony, the costs US healthcare system is coming up on double the costs of the US military, over $1T/year. It also cost more tax
omh2
money than any other developed countries healthcare system, and then costs an extra $2000/capita of private money on top of that
dave7tom7
American number one! Other countries I'll keep the socialized medicine.
MNPhatts
You had the perfect opportunity to use the meme.
IsaacNuetron
For the all the fathers in need, but without fame, it sucks not having universal health care.
laneymg
Totally completely agree.
fireinbloom
For half your paycheck in taxes you too can have "free healthcare."
ArniePye
Don’t get sick ever
WrongUn
Wow....
mooooM0000
*healthcare. Nothing's free. Just a little more fair in some parts than others.
fireinbloom
I accept that. That's a very valid argument. My US family of 4 receives "free" healthcare, however. Fed budget for support is very high.
IsaacNuetron
Do comparative tax rates/medical expenses as a percentage of income in nations with/out universal systems and then we'll talk.
Redshirt101
37% in Denmark so no
jmpaten
Yeah, except no. The amount of money spent on Medicare, Medicaid, employer insurance programs + other subsidies is enough to pay for M4All.
fireinbloom
Cool math. How does it add up?
jmpaten
https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/blahous-costs-medicare-mercatus-working-paper-v1_1.pdf (Page 18)
jmpaten
It should be noted that this study was put out by Mercatus, a hyper-conservative group that sought to disprove M4All, as can be seen.
RedIronCrown
US already pays more per capita for healthcare than most universal healthcare nations.
fireinbloom
Have to factor in quality of healthcare also though. But I agree with your statement.
RedIronCrown
Quality in the US is not significantly better than in the rest of the developed world. It's baffling that the US can't make this work.
fireinbloom
Gotcha. A few people provided excellent sources for this. Here...
omh2
Every developed country in the world except the US has some form of free healthcare, and all of them spend less tax money on healthcare
fireinbloom
We do have "free" healthcare, just not universal. Look at our federal budget for Medicaid.
omh2
You are being intentionally dense all over these comments. A program that covers barely 20% of the population isn't a free healthcare system
fireinbloom
Not intentional. Just ignorant I guess. Thanks for your patience. Do you know if CHIP is included in Medicaid budget?
icantbelieveurnotbutter
Not true you have been fed a lie. In Canada the lowest 40% dont effectively pay any income tax.
fireinbloom
Canadian model is different from Scandinavian that everyone references. And if I had $1 for every Canuck that came to US for health care.
icantbelieveurnotbutter
That also doesnt happen in significant numbers but keep swallowing the BS you are getting fed.
icantbelieveurnotbutter
http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/phantoms-in-the-snow/
omh2
That's true most places, income tax only taxes those who are moderately well off, an even larger portion doesn't pay in the US
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Countries with high tax are giving their citizens a lot more than just healthcare. But look at Canada - we pay less income tax than /1
fireinbloom
I understand that. What is the quality of healthcare? Waiting times?
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)30994-2/fulltext#fig1 See figure 3 for a summary. Most of western /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
europe, ANZ, Canada, and Japan all come out ahead of the US. All pay less per capita than the US for healthcare. /2
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Americans *and* get healthcare. UK too. https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/05/03/income-taxes-canada-lower-us-oecd_a_23426460/ /2
ASquare
They’d are much smaller countries. Us is fucking huge. This should be done at state level were people have common goals.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Every single time, size is brought up as an excuse. But with no valid argument behind it, just "it's big" and that's it. Germany has over /1
fireinbloom
US citizens actually get a lot of free healthcare. Look at our federal budget. My 4-member family gets all "free" healthcare.
MrCorky
1/ Well the big difference with universal Healthcare isn't that it's free. The biggest difference is that there is no cap on how much
MrCorky
2/ Healthcare you can use (like with most insurance you have a maximum you can use it) And if you are insured by your job and lose it
MrCorky
3/ you can still get healthcare. But the biggest and most important difference is that because it is universal Healthcare the government
MrCorky
4/ government chooses the prices for medecin. Insulin for example cost 130$ per vial but the same brand and amount costs 35$ here in Sweden
twozerooz
Actually, our taxes here in Canada are similar to yours AND we have a lot more services than just healthcare. When you consider how inflated
twozerooz
Your medical and insurance costs are, your combined taxes+health costs are FAR higher than what we pay for the same service.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Yep, Canadian here, was offered a job in the US for more money but with the extra healthcare cost it didn't make financial sense.
fireinbloom
That is true. But what about quality of healthcare? Waiting times? I lived in NY and we constantly had Canadians coming over for healthcare.
twozerooz
For specialized services, perhaps. Canada is a lot smaller. Besides that, the level of service is the same, and wait times can be longer for
Nordenfeldt
From Breitbart’s mouth to your ears right?
fireinbloom
Excuse us that are literate, Mr. "I want free shit, but I can't read or do math." Your laziness prevents an intelligent discussion.
Nordenfeldt
No, you are just full of shit. You never even looked it up, let alone ‘did math’, just regurgitated alt-right lies.
Nordenfeldt
But hey mr ‘idOmAtH’, prove me wrong. Tell us all: what does the US spend per capita on health care, compared to Canada or Germany?
fireinbloom
70 million covered by Medicaid and CHIP, 9 million by VA healthcare. Not universal. Deeply flawed healthcare system. But it's something...
Sarcasticandgenerallynotfunny
Want to know why their taxes are higher? When the British takes raised ours we fought a war over it. They just got on their knees
fireinbloom
"Live free or die."
omh2
The UK has lower income taxes than the US, and healthcare, and a mostly working social welfare system
fireinbloom
The UK is a disaster nanny state. Sorry for being so blunt.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Canada's taxes are about the same as yours and we get healthcare with it. Who's on their knees now?
Sarcasticandgenerallynotfunny
Still you, great health care exist it’s just not free to every because that would cost too much and so many people wouldn’t use it1/2
Sarcasticandgenerallynotfunny
2/2 health care through work so taxes stay low
fireinbloom
People don't realize how much "free" healthcare the US has, so I make it a point to say something here and I get shit on.
fireinbloom
We get a lot of free healthcare and income support. Plus taxes back. The gov actually pays me to have a family. Don't believe these ninnies.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I don't have to believe them. I just look at the actual data.
Xen300
You ask almost any Brit if their national health is worth the tax they pay for it, they'll tell you it is. Try it.
fireinbloom
If it comes with giving the government that much control of my life... thank you, but no thank you.
Sarcasticandgenerallynotfunny
I promise you I have better health care and pay less taxes then you.
Xen300
Firstly, I don't live in the UK; secondly, you have no idea how good my healthcare is; thirdly, I *like* paying my taxes.
stingerau
And the best thing is the story fits the meme.
WelcomeToMagrathea
Makes you wonder huh
ChuckLeePriest
Now that is a success
Bartacomus
How does a meme make money? Wtf
ImgurPlz
I think this is a joke...
GotDamnLochnessMonster
You're a joke, don't mess with my delusions.
MitchBeaucannon
Nope. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Success_Kid#GoFundMe_campaign
mooooM0000
What I thought too. You just can't tell anymore.
ilovecosmetics
It’s real
thewalkinged
They used his fame to support a go fund me
BrazilianThunderPanda
Merchandise, appearances, endorsements, licensing fees.
mufasa1028
So can they make memes of people, like this one, famous with out their permission? Or do they have to ask to make stuff
Zaayl
Merchandise requires rights, unless nobody owns it at all (public domain) however when its a photo, the person in the photo has rights.
Zaayl
for example, big movie comes out and they make merch, they still have to get the OK from the actors (and pay them) to use their faces on it.
Zaayl
Even a drawing or model of someones face, if based directly on them, requires their permission to be created.
Tropicalmoon
Donations
Garymcd
Feels good to give back, never understood it until I donated to a streamer. Nothing lost nothing gained but if it helps someone then yay
Bartacomus
Did you just quote some Rapper?
Garymcd
Don't think so does this mean I can rap now?
RememberTheC4nt
Selling kidneys
hugemuffin
The dad owns the rights to the picture. If a company wants to use it in an advertisement, they pay the photographer.
laneymg
Correct, any money we’ve made is from licensing my photo to businesses for use in ads & on merch. Last was for Coca Cola, Super Bowl ‘15.
laneymg
Ads & other usage requests happened more in the beginning of the SK meme, ‘09-‘12ish. Now it’s mainly “where are they now” stories. ?✊
pennyeater
popup ads, just like anything else. duh.
jbcars4life
Ads. Ads. Ads. And more ads
Bartacomus
I dont see what HIV has to do with this.. but i relent to your advice.
jbcars4life
Almost made me think I said Aids not ads...
theredacted
I seriously hope you never find out about cash me outside girl. Terrible kid now a millionaire
ZionPhil
Merchdising
WhichIsIt
Merchising
raylit20
Moreicing
Beeekman
Moichendyzing!
Columcille
How does a kidney transplant cost money? No health insurance?
laneymg
Medicare covers transplants for Americans with no health ins, it ends 2 yrs after. The fundraiser was for the anti-rejection meds he’ll ..
laneymg
.. he’ll need to take for the rest of his life, along with many other costs related to his surgery. Dr/Nurses suggested we do the fund.
Columcille
Thanks!
RandywithanI
My 4 year old calls him “that mean baby.” He even makes a little fist.
Tropicalmoon
I'm almost sure the "Success kid" is actually eating sand in the famous picture. Still cute tho
weareready
What does that have to do with anything?
ivegottwolegs
I believe you're correct.
NoLoSeRickPareceFalso
The most kind of correct.
pudf
Eating sand is WINNING! The very definition of it.
pennyeater
he was ruining a sand castle, the original meme was about wrecking stuff but someone cut out the castle and made it wholesome. yay internet
JustAnotherImgurHuman
Ahhh now i see a destructive, thanos-like stance baby.
pennyeater
hahaha that would be an amazing take on it. put the stones on his little fist. make him snap naptime out of existence.
laneymg
Ha! I haven’t heard this one yet. It’s true that Sandcastles was pretty popular & was out about 1 yr before the Success Kid version began.
pennyeater
you have a super cute kid! oh and i hope your husband is doing good.
laneymg
Thanks! Sam is a smart, funny, sweet boy & talented young artist, following after his dad. It’s wild to think that baby will be 13 in Sept.?
laneymg
My husband is doing very well, ty! His xplant was in ‘15. He recovered really nicely & went right back to work tattooing. #SuccessKidney ??
pennyeater
As a parent, I have to say, I just love everything about this whole story. All the best to you in the future!
laneymg
Sandcastles got popular first but it isn’t the original pic. Success Kid meme is the original photo that I took of my baby boy that day.
laneymg
I posted the original photo on Flickr the same day I shot it, in August 2007, when Sam (Success Kid) was 11 mos. Sam is 12 years old now.
laneymg
We have no idea who the crying kid is from the Sandcastles version. Someone else added him in there. It would be fun to know that story. ?✊
laneymg
You’re right, he was putting his fist full of sand to his mouth when I snapped the photo. There’s even a little sand visible on his lips. ✊
faxlite2
Yay. A fluke bit of fame made sure a man didn't die a horrible death. Healthcare in the US is awful.
jshdhdhss2
Or his wife could idk... work and get healthcare? Idk just a thought
MEL357
It's the best money can buy.
LickHerBalloonKnot
But marketing and suing is awesome
PandaLord200
AHEM uk AHEM
OneFinalEffortIsAllThatRemains
Is it wrong for me to think it funny when people refer to the US as a first world country.
wileypdf
Holy fuck, two years later and yes this is still an issue
GarrettStopMotion
Right? China is much better, I love getting them black market kidneys! So much faster when you can just steal them!
GunnersMateFirstClassPhillipAsshole
Like how conservatives "hate socialism" but then contribute to the motorcycle for Jim's leukemia treatments
ghostfacevader
digme
Yo, man.. kidneys don’t grow on trees. They’re harvested from impoverished Nepalese.. and that takes money.
CalgakisPictland
They don't like hearing about fair healthcare or minimum wage statements. They got guns, they take it themselves eventually
doubledoubleanimalstyle
Hurr durr
ManicMDMechanic
Probably wouldn’t did. He would have just needed dialysis which in the US is covered by Medicare for everyone.
Lv01Magikarp
You say it like dialysis is a fine way to live and it works forever, trust me it's not and neither is CKD.
ManicMDMechanic
I didn't say that. I was only saying that dialysis is covered.
TheEmperorsTrueChampion
Doesnt change the fact that the healthcare is awful. A person shouldn't have to decide whether to get pills they need to live or food.
ManicMDMechanic
Pills aren't covered in Canada either. Most people don't know that dialysis is generally covered was my point.
omh2
Canada has low income prescription coverage, general coverage depends on which province you're in, and all our drugs are a fraction the cost
ManicMDMechanic
So does the US. My point is that generally there is a misunderstanding of the US system. It’s broken for sure, but a lot are when you dig.
LoudBirb
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but... the US doesn't have a "medicare for all" system. You have to be 65 or recieving SSDI to get it.
somerandomthrowaway
Hes thinking medicaid, it is covered by medicaid
ManicMDMechanic
No, I meant what I said. After a 1972 law passed by Congress. Medicare.
LoudBirb
That's not quite right. "Medicare for all" means no restrictions on whi can get on Medicare. 1972 made it so that people under 65 could...
tflorio19500
I recently read about the development of a life saving drug (don’t remember what it treated) that cost $80,000 for a single months supply.
Soggybathroomsock
And was bought by the manufacturer when it was sold for $0.03 a pop?
kurrrburrr
come to Canada, you can walk right over, we don’t believe in walls lol
CurseOfTheAbyss
I feel like we should build The Wall and form the Night's Watch.
kurrrburrr
That’s a good idea since we have no Air Force and half our submarines are in west Edmonton mall
bjorklund
Healthcare in the US is amazing. It’s just expensive.
jmpaten
It really isn't. We have some of the worst health outcomes of any developed country on Earth. Largely stemming from poor preventive care.
bjorklund
The majority of poor preventive comes from young adults thinking they don’t need insurance cause nothing will ever happen to them.
jmpaten
When the options are paying rent, eating and paying for insurance, yes... people don’t get insurance.
bjorklund
Overall, we have great healthcare and some of the best Drs in the world. Also the best 5 year cancer survival rate of anyone.
BitchButcher
Well, it's the capitalistic approach and anybody could do it. I mean anybody ... not everybody!
FlatPlutoSociety
Stories about kids with lemonade stands to pay for a parent's insulin are presented as heartwarming stories. It's fucking disgusting.
MoistenedPenguin
It's not disgusting that they do it, just that it's needed. Those stories are still heartwarming in the sense that they are helping in 1/
MoistenedPenguin
In the situation they are stuck with for the time being.
TheCharedLizard
Congratulations you've discovered modern propaganda
gotalkie
Hey! We also have GoFundMe
fireinbloom
You can set aside half your paycheck for "free healthcare" voluntarily, if you like.
GrandPoobahDeDoinkOfAllOfThisAndThat
Dude i can barely make it at the end of every month on what i get after state and federal
Soggybathroomsock
So, you don't have insurance? Genuine question from a spoiled european: What happens if you get a suspicious mole or something?
GrandPoobahDeDoinkOfAllOfThisAndThat
Luckily i haven't had any emergencies or things worth a medical visit. But if i needed it, i'd have to pay out of pocket
Soggybathroomsock
Geez man, stay out of trouble!
omh2
You know the US has higher government (AKA tax) spending on healthcare than any country with "free healthcare" right?
fireinbloom
Look up our federal budget for Medicaid and other income support services. It's staggering.
omh2
That would be my point. Look up the per-capita healthcare expenditure of countries with "free healthcare" All are < 1/2, most are < 1/3rd
fireinbloom
And the award for most helpful and patient goes to @omh2 Thank you for your help today!
whodathunkit
When I lived in Australia the amount taken out of my taxes from earning 18k a year was $454 a year to cover Medicare. I'll take that please.
fireinbloom
That's painful. Especially if you're healthy and don't use healthcare services. I have kids now though and they're constantly getting me...
fireinbloom
... sick. Little germ magnets. Ended up in the ER several times the past 2 years.
whodathunkit
What ? No it's not. It literally covered everything from your doctors visits, to emergencies. It was not painful. I dislocated my ankle and
whodathunkit
it covered everything for me, I was in hospital for 12 hours, I was given pain meds, a wheelchair, and constant checkups, I paid nothing.
Soggybathroomsock
You get to keep the money you pay toward health insurance! You pay about 85% of non-junk insurance cost in taxes. That's a great deal!
spoonageddon
Yep. That's why I can't have brain surgery. We can't afford the premiums in addition to the copays.
romicra88
I wouldn't say this is one of those cases. Transplants have to meet strict requirements for the health of the recipient. Now fuck those that
romicra88
have money to buy their way up the list, but generally it's just tough. That's why people should always be organ donors and live healthy.
jmpaten
What are you talking about? The cost of having surgery and an extended hospital stay is close to $100K without insurance.
romicra88
Right, which is bullshit, but they will still do it. The post would be more accurate to say three fame helped pay the bills
romicra88
Keep in mind I'm not saying the healthcare system is good, but pretty sure it wouldn't just be a monetary thing in this case
Hybris51129
But that wouldn't get nearly as many upvotes as blaming America would.
casbott
YouKnowThatRandomGuyWhoLikesVikingsNamedBerzerkerlord
The bronze health care plans are more expensive than my car payment.
Monkeyscribed
Buy a loot box and you might get FREE SURGERY. Yay.
doubledoubleanimalstyle
But you'll have to claim that surgery as income on your tax return.
IamTheBestAtDonutEating
B-buh-but its a socialist program, which means bad...
GotDamnLochnessMonster
Correct.
SheDevilinaSnuggie
Socialism is bad! Except for roads, parks, police, firefighter, schools, libraries, post office , coast guard.. etc
blurgh
imagine if the idea of libraries would be pitched today
Logwarrior999
Roads, libraries, firefighters etc. aren't Socialist. They existed years before the philosophy of confiscating the means of production
DeusExSpockina
Confiscating the means of production...do you mean.........taxes? ?
BraNamn
He probably means that socialism by defenition is a political and economic theory that advocates communal ownership of the means of producti
SheDevilinaSnuggie
Do we not pool our resources to fund them? Social democracy works just fine and dandy in most countries.
MidasTheAlchemist
But that's not corrupted corporate capitalism where failures get bailed out!
IAlwaysUpvoteSexy
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism. Waoh. It’s like socialism has existed for thousands of years
Aubreycat
Before socialism libraries were funded by charity; so the service was patchy and subject to whim.
z3lfmoord
Uhh schools are terrible
istealthepixelsfromreposts
Unless you want to, you know be anything at all.
z3lfmoord
I mean the American school system is terrible
scich99
schools... ehh, but yes!
GotDamnLochnessMonster
Name a country with a good healthcare system, I'll wait.
CurseOfTheAbyss
Canada.
wallaceericson
As a Canadian, I'll admit our healthcare is not perfect. We do struggle withwait times. But atleast noone goes into debt just trying to live
GotDamnLochnessMonster
No, they just die waiting for surgery.
Soggybathroomsock
Germany, France, UK, Netherlands, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Czech Republic, Slovenia. Now you name one in which market forces worked.
oneveryunimpressedcanadian
Shhhhh, don't let the eagle-fuckers hear you... Logic, reason, and compassion scare the hell out of them.
shankelstoff
nightster07
Last time I checked, 70% of Americans, including conservatives, support medicare for all.
oneveryunimpressedcanadian
Maybe vote in people who will implement that then
nightster07
Easier said than done, corporations hold the real power in this country. Voting is just for show.
oneveryunimpressedcanadian
Sounds like revolution time.
CrimsonReaper1985
Hey red, white and blue boy here and I'm telling you you have no idea how much we need a lot more of those traits in this trainwreck country
ringwood
Find one American who thinks our system is fine. But yea say universal Healthcare and everyone flips a tit
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
Not everyone. I, for one, would love to not have crippling debt due to healthcare at the expense of increasing my taxes only marginally.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Support is increasing. 70% according to Reuters survey:
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/403248-poll-seventy-percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all
ASquare
Yeah America has always been better off privatized since were such a huge land and culture. Still requires personal responsibility tho.
BeMyAntithesis
You said "personal responsibility." Do you want downvotes? Because that's how you get downvotes on this site.
ASquare
LOL. I don’t understand what about my comment was bad. Us is hard to govern so much land different culture races and people.
themajor77
"SCRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEE" as a massive flaming eagle hurdles out of the sky and through your window. "You got any of that free healthcare?"
ObscureYoutubeReference
Mumalot
I like logic, reason, and compassion... I'm also Introverted and lefthanded. I DONT BELONG HERE! SAVE ME & BirdOfPreys scare me --AnAmerican
7thor8thcaw
Wait, are you saying that there are Americans who think our healthcare system works?
TweakerTheBarbarian
It work exactly as intended by those who built it and lobby to maintain it.
Jokesterwild
Yes. A friend of sorts that I met in the gaming world is adamant that it is good and that people just need to get better jobs. solid logic.
Tayderr
Some of us do
Tayderr
But I dont
tommy0877
The ones with the money...
MorrighanWolf
Lot of them die too.
daversomethingsomething
Not for lack of access to healthcare.
skylin05
I'm American and fucking hate the state of this country's healthcare and the state of it in general.
skylin05
I would much rather be in Canada or in Western Europe than in the US.
GotDamnLochnessMonster
Yeah but we have guns, which scare the blood out of socialists.
skylin05
Oh yeah guns totally make up for everything else other developed countries have. Why have healthcare when you can just shoot yourself.
oneveryunimpressedcanadian
That's awesome! Here we have someone dropped on their head as a child in their natural habitat... let's observe!
fireinbloom
Don't know WTF you're taking about. My entire family gets free healthcare in the US. Prescriptions paid for. Look at our federal budget.
FarenDin
you trollin?
fireinbloom
No, I'm not. Look at the federal budget. Look at how much Medicaid gets. Much, if not most of that goes to help families.
omh2
Medicaid helps 66 million people (barely 20% of the population ) for double or more (per-capita) what every other country spends on full UHC
SirOogaBooga
Probably in the military. Service members benefit from universal healthcare. Always confuses me when people in uniform vote against it, too.
fireinbloom
Am veteran. But also family on Medicaid. Would not vote against universal. Was just making a tax statement. +US has a large welfare budget.
upvoteforwhat
It's a benefit of their employment. Not universal healthcare in the sense of being taxpayer funded for the entire population.
exo316
Yeah but their kids lose all coverage at a certain age (i think 21? Probably 21) unless there's special circumstances.
washismycopilot
Could be on the extreme poverty end where we have some socialised medicine or in certain states.
fireinbloom
Am college student, family of 4. Not extreme poverty, but low. Family qualifies for Medicaid, plus am veteran.
relsky
Some of us. But some of us have a relatively good head on our shoulders.
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
Yes. We should convince more of us to vote.
topshelfassistant
Eagle fucker here, our healthcare is the worst, literally unpayable
SpecialAgentCharlesCarmichael
I also fuck eagles and am fully aware of our awful healthcare.
GhostsofRazgriz
Gotta love how pharmaceutical companies are using the Government to extort US citizens.
dailycupofjoe
Yeah. I'm pretty sure I don't know anyone that thinks it was/is good. Just those that disagreed that ACA was the right solution
notinterestednow
The most annoying thing was that it was the Republican idea. It's what Romney did in his state.
itsimpossibletofindausernamethatisnttaken
The ACA was a fucked up mega compromise that gutted the original idea to end the shut down
utur
Maybe if you didn't fuck eagles, you woudn't have to worry about the healthcare. Jesus the cost of stitches...
militar3rd
Healthcare in the US, for the sheer volume involved, is not bad if you're on the middle class spectrum. The lower class however... is fucked
n8wishim
There is no healthcare system in the US. There is a health industry though.
tyrpestdeath
Not necessarily. Lower class has access to medicare in states that have expanded it (not you, Louisiana)
omh2
Even if you ignore the access and cost issues, which are the worst in the developed world. Even just outcomes are mediocre, excluding a
omh2
small number of cancers the US has below avg outcomes for nearly every medical procedure. On the macro scale, has the lowest life expectancy
omh2
of developed countries, and the highest maternal and infant mortality rates. US HC is not good by any metric, especially not for $12k/capita
bluesandwhich
as a Canadian I just had a miscarriage with 3 hospital visits, a D&C, multiple ultrasounds and tests and pelvic exam. Bill = $0
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Sorry for your loss.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
It's still crazy expensive though. Someone on here was telling me they got a plan at a good price, it was $12k/year for the whole family. /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Like, the average Canadian doesn't even pay that much in income tax, let alone just for healthcare. /2
pdxenburg
We pay more for medicare, per person, than you do for your system - and most of us can't even use it
casbott
But having the govt negotiate on your behalf greatly reduces prices, so that you end up paying a lot less than basic health insurance cost
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Yep, I tried to explain that to him too, he didn't get it. Part of your taxes plus your whole healthcare bill are going toward it. While /1