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Sauce: https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-rikers-detainee-death-parents-20210910-334puhpn7bfcncuuyhbxahjl7i-story.html
Sep 14, 2021 2:15 PM
elcee50
123662
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Sauce: https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-rikers-detainee-death-parents-20210910-334puhpn7bfcncuuyhbxahjl7i-story.html
EverNotRelevant
Fuck the carceral state.
Mrd511
holy shit haverhill I know you people
Trustrup
How does a prisoner have any responsibility for making sure he appears before court? That seems highly problematic, on so many levels.
NomadUniverse
There's nothing in this post that says he's black but I thought to myself I bet he is. Sure enough he is. The US is disgusting.
BobAllen2004
Were it my kid, I would consider using my special set of skills to eliminate everything the jailers loved.
circlebreaker
Hypothetically speaking, capturing those involved and subjecting them to scaphism on a livestream might "discourage" this kind of behaviour.
JhericFury
So many of you are naive enough to think this could only happen if there was a conspiracy. This is business as usual, guys.
taurondir
"Systems" work exactly how they are written. If people CAN do this shit, its because the fucking rules are written fucked up to start with.
HashMaster9k
n0n53n53
Again? https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/nyregion/kalief-browder-held-at-rikers-island-for-3-years-without-trial-commits-suicide.html
n0n53n53
sorry for the shitty paywall link more info here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalief_Browder
dankestderp
I don’t understand, the police here are always doing transports to and from courts all over different counties. Is this not illegal as hell?
Corrodias
Yeah? So? What are you (we) gonna do about it?
Filanwizard
Someone in the system wanted this guy dead, Its the job of the jail to take people to their hearings. Also off to rikers for a misdemeanor?
MeatyMouthfeel
To shreds you say?
NirvanaNik
YoSoyMilk
Riker’s is a death camp and has been for a long time.
n0n53n53
Yes, google Kalief Browder
YoSoyMilk
Oh yeah man, I live in New York so I’m very familiar with that one.
chibok
Today Johnson, tomorrow me, after tomorrow you
NonstopRampage
I don't understand how america can be such a violent nation, yet nobody understands that you can't be EVIL like that, without the /1
NonstopRampage
expectation that, after you KILL someone like that, whoever survived them is going to want your HEAD. ESPECIALLY if they can just /2
NonstopRampage
get your name and face off the news, and your address off google. It always astounds me that murderers run rampant there, unchecked.
ZK383
So, he had to pay for the drugs. That would be more than a buck. & He couldn't pay a buck for bail. Something's missing from this story.
NomadUniverse
I think you need to read everything again man, leave your bias at the door this time.
Virus322
It's not that he COULDN'T pay the $1 for bail, it's that the jailers wouldn't LET him pay the $1 for bail.
EnigmaNL
What is with this 1 dollar bail? Surely somebody would be able to get this man a dollar? I don't get it.
captainpizza
Couldnt get out on bail without attending the hearing they wouldnt take him too
EnigmaNL
Couldn't a family member have paid the bail for him?
captainpizza
According to the article they tried, but were not permitted to for similar bs reasons
Purpl3y3s
His families all in Massachusetts & they had to be at the phycical court house in New York to post on his behalf.
DangerousNoodle
This man was a target. $1 bail, all rights denied, OD in prison. Something tells me his family will never know why or get justice either.
DorkJedi
cant pay $1 bail, but can afford to by drugs guards smuggle in. nothing fishy there at all.
blaghart
That's the conspicuous part to me too. $1 bail? In NYC? complete horseshit. This was a targetted plan.
Traja01
Bail is typically set at $1 in a case when a defendant would otherwise get a PR bond but has other holds and so wouldn’t be released anyway.
Traja01
By setting it at $1 (and then not paying it) the inmate accrues earned time credit which he can use against his later sentence if convicted.
Traja01
$1 is also low enough that they can pay it typically without having to wait to see a judge to get a PR bond. It’s a very common thing and
Traja01
any public defender will tell you the same. You should be allowed to post your bond though, that part is weird.
blaghart
That's usually only in instances where a defendant has more than one case against them open at a time. This wasn't one of those times.
Traja01
Yea that’s why I said “but has other holds.” I don’t know the details of this case I’m just explaining why we might see a $1 bond. I’ve
Traja01
never heard of a court setting bail at $1 unless it was requested by the defense attorney. It makes no sense otherwise.
fractalsphere
They'll investigate themselves and discover they did nothing wrong. And blame the victim as usual. Nothing to see here. /s
Burke616
They've already got the words "possible drug overdose" floating around.
Girlie1337
I expect to hear stories about how violent he happened to be on his court dates, so they couldn't take him.
crazyspelling
Yah, he kept behaving aggressively by repeatedly asking "when are we going to leave for my hearing?!"
crazyspelling
Yo I heard he wasn't even a good dude. He was in jail. HARD SLASH S.
zanaria
$1 for bail? And they thought there was no way he could pay it? His family could have gone out and picked up 20 cans off the ground...
Purpl3y3s
They though there was no way he could pay it...as the prison wouldn't transport him to his court hearings...
Purpl3y3s
Not cant afford it, litteraly can't do it.
zanaria
The person being held doesn't have to be the one to post the bail, it could have been a friend or family...
Purpl3y3s
His family tried to pay but the court wouldn't allow them to do so online, it had to be in person, they're all in Massachusetts.
Purpl3y3s
Knowing his life was on the line they might have been able to manage thier responsibilites, take unpaid time off & raid savings/credit cards
statelessnfaithless
Prediction: absolutely nothing will change
memudder109350
How could any decent person live with that on their mind everyday. Over a dollar?!
UmamiMama
Someone find this family an attorney. This is fucked up
Primary1
They held him hostage for a month over a dollar? Wtf how does this shit even happen
Traja01
No. $1 bonds are set when a defendant would normally get a PR bond but has other holds preventing his release. The $1 bond allows him to
Traja01
accrue earned time credits (which you don’t get if you remain in custody on PR). Nothing weird about a $1 bond. Should’ve been allowed to
Traja01
post it though.
Mellayellafella1441
Nothing about this tracks. They wanted this man gone.
JCBalance
Or they just didn't give a shit
HootSloot
Family members worked in the public defender's office. Prisoners not getting picked up for their hearings is typical.
HootSloot
Essentially the bus comes to pick you up to take you to court. COs either doesn't tell you or says you gotta do X before you can leave.
HootSloot
You miss the bus. Try again next month. No one is held accountable.
glenngriffon
no it's a prison. they make profits off having people in the cell. they dont care about getting people, that loses money.
Rodrodington1
No, this is why they call it "the machine." An uncaring system that just runs over people. It's also been called the self licking ice cream.
Rodrodington1
Self licking ice cream because: what's the point of sending drug addicts to prison to die of overdoses? Yet this system goes on w/o flinchin
donkeymoney
Better than doing it in our neighborhoods.
Rodrodington1
Better that 50k/y for their incarceration then release them back into our neighborhoods and make them ineligible for job because of a record
Rodrodington1
Drug use should be funded public health issue, it would be cheaper (which says a lot because health care is expensive).
BeingABotIsRad
You're right! Better that we pay increased taxes to shuttle these people around against their will first.
LeighCosmosVillain
The apathy of the system is pretty intense. It really could have just happened. That’s actually scarier.
charlie2979
Yeah, this isn't a specific unique case, the gaurds didn't want to kill this man. This is how the system is. You'll sit in there waiting for
charlie2979
A date, could be years.
JhericFury
Mate. This is prison. This happens all the time. Fuck prison.
SerenePrincess013
Before someone says "don't do the crime if you can't do the time", let's revisit the institutionalised poverty pandemic in this country.
goodbyeitwasfunwhileitlasted
How did he die of a drug overdose in prison? Shouldn't that be a place where you can't get drugs because, ya know, guards and shit?
massaka123
How cute....
NoRoutesFound
"They can't keep knifes out of prison, and in prison they check in your ass" - Doug Stanhope
GayCanadianJew
Prisons are FULL of drugs. And cigarettes, cellphones, lots of things that aren’t supposed to be in prisons.
Nakahana
Like people who dont need to be there.
69thStPepper
Oh, you sweet summer child...
CommanderDead
He still has milk on his mouth! Drunk off the seed of the poppy
deaththeunholy
How isn't it an automatic case in open court for this guy's family since the prison failed so hard and let drugs in?
crazyspelling
It will be. And the State will settle. But they'll drag it out for a couple of years while the media forgets.
BarryTheCyborg
Every single guard in that jail needs to be investigated and audited
captainhappen
Currently 40% of the NYC corrections employees are either out sick, limited duty, or just flat out not showing up.
captainhappen
It's an extremely unreported story. If 40% of police, fire or ems wasn't at work people would freak out.
PoliticalWanderer
Turns out if you put people used to going around the law to get drugs and people used to going around the law to sell drugs together, and
PoliticalWanderer
especially if they’re supervised by corruptible people, they’re going to find a way to sell drugs.
MrNardtastic
My cousin once told me drugs were easier to get in jail than on the street.
Hendlton
When you concentrate all the drug smugglers, dealer, and users into one place, you can't expect anything better...
goodbyeitwasfunwhileitlasted
You should expect better. If you don't have corrupt guards/employees you'd probably be able to cut down on it a lot.
GenXHippie
Where do you think they get the drugs?
Problemwoodchuck
Drugs get smuggled in by inmates, families & crooked/coerced guards
Burke616
Mostly guards.
apeshigh
Lol, if anyone can get you a score it's the guys in the yard
jayjux
Guards are the ones who bring in the drugs
JohnNeufeld
Guards are how the drugs GET IN.
JohnNeufeld
Source : RCMP Security friend doing investigations with plants at Agassi Mountain Institution
Whydidithavetobebees
Drugs get in and out of prison like nothing. Whether visitors smuggling in or guards I know someone who smoked weed daily in jail
WhistlinDickC
Knew a guy who paid guards to smuggle in weed. Said he made more$ in jail than when he was selling on the outside.
Dgcstr
Sweet summer child
DanaConti5
Guards bring it in for extra money. Drug use is actually more concentrated in prisons.
jimbus340
Drugs were actually cheaper in prison than on the streets. At least in the facility where I was.
Aikikp
Yeah uh no. Contraband is brought in by officers all the time. Money and fear from or of the offenders.i worked with some chickenshit CO's.
Nuclearwaste9
Corruption from the top down.
Phlynch
Once you're in jail their goal is to keep you in jail as long and often as possible. If prison is full of drugs, you're likely to get 1/2
Phlynch
addicted. So when you finally do get out, you're going to have to commit more crimes to feed your addiction, and end up right back in jail.
blarglebrle
*guards are shit
Hendlton
People with drug addiction don't get miraculously cured in prison. And they'll do anything to get their fix.
Dishonored360
Sounds like a few of those guards should trade uniforms
theeKittyWizard
I mean, I recall my sketchy Ex when I was 21, who confided in me that he smoked "boofed cigs" and ate "boofed Xanax" to ease his anxiety so
theeKittyWizard
2/ People who only get sentenced to weekend jail time, literally put stuff in their butts just to have drugs
theeKittyWizard
3/ HE WAS JUST A WEEKENDER! Imagine what you would need to survive in that hellscape
mymustachecallstheshots
You cant be serious? Its a tale as old as, well, prisons. Never watched shawshank redemption? You think that stopped?
TheSpottedZebra
Guards are usually the biggest gang in a prison and they often have a hand in the drug game.
bagoffishstix
Don’t they give ketamine shots to people to calm them down? Maybe there’s more to this story we don’t know.
Cats2cats
Obviously you are not familiar with Rikers.
hovelhopper
Prisoners outnumber guards 20 to 1 I'd guess. Luckily, Prisoners ate known for following the rules.
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mymustachecallstheshots
Yep. Could be someone working kitchen, easy to bring stuff in that way.
TheKoolAidMans
I see you have watched orange is the new black and now are an expert. jk I don't know ur life but that's what I thought of.
mymustachecallstheshots
Nah, never seen the show. My wife was a corrections officer, but at a psych facility. Less contraband, a lot more toilet wine and shivs.
Cats2cats
Or relatives of the dealers.
Mostlydeadpool
the trouble is any system that gets to a certain size gets indifferent. policies become more important than people. the structure becomes >
Mostlydeadpool
> more about following the rules than actually helping people. its a queue, not a helpdesk.
LeighCosmosVillain
You gotta be kidding me with this shit. This is an actual Kafka story.
MikeReese9
Of many here in America.
TAYLORSWlFT
HashMaster9k
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WherePoetryComesToDie
HashMaster9k
At least someone was well read enough to get the joke. Unlike @NapholeonBonafart up there.
MrSaturday
Damn, you don't gotta murder him like that.
HashMaster9k
WherePoetryComesToDie
I admittedly looked at yr profile first, and figured anyone who used the phrase "Faustian bargain maker" would make the joke intentionally.
HashMaster9k
MrCroupAndMrVandemar
Why the fuck is $1 bail a thing in the first goddamn place?
CyborgScribe
So they can refuse to let him pay it and hold him
Traja01
$1 bond is set in cases where the defendant would otherwise get a PR bond but has other holds preventing his release. Setting bail at $1
Traja01
allows him to generate earned time credit which he can apply to his sentence if convicted. You don’t get that credit on PR, so the $1 let’s
Traja01
you earn that time while also generally not holding you in custody if your other holds go away.
MrCroupAndMrVandemar
That is a phenomenal explanation. Thank you.