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Edit: Holy shit FP. Let that be lesson to all you shit posters out there to never give up. If this crap can make it anything can! Send nudes!
May 3, 2017 10:25 AM
Imissthe80sandIwanttogohome
478363
13416
915
Edit: Holy shit FP. Let that be lesson to all you shit posters out there to never give up. If this crap can make it anything can! Send nudes!
MightyTightyWhities
Broke my hand no insurance got released from hospital with a cheap splint and told to follow up with specialist$400!! No money, broken hand.
IStandBravelyAtTheGatesOfUsersubAndSpareYouManyWoesCasual
But but me paying out of my ass for the care I'm deemed worthy of is my patriotic American duty
DarkUranium
Psst, downvoters ... this was sarcasm. I think.
IStandBravelyAtTheGatesOfUsersubAndSpareYouManyWoesCasual
Indeed
ImaginaryMamboNumber5
Not for long mate. These images will disappear once May sells the NHS out to Kaiser Permanente. For the love of God vote to keep the NHS.
woderwoman
I have an autoimmune syndrome, my mum had breast cancer and my sisters appendix exploded...We would be dead without the NHS!
Potenze
I love how those capable of making this happen in the US claim that it would never work. "Oh, okay, but umm it does."
GrassfedChicken
Pretty much. Only reason it wouldn't work is because of the lobbyists being thrown at it.
UmbertoBench
This is probably true. The US needs to get money out of politics before reforms like this can happen.
Potenze
And it might cut into salary of those who make millions a year. Imo, it seems to be insurance corps > govt > the people.
UnknownSquid
You forget about the USA's super-special-snowflake-absolutely-nowhere-remotely-like-it geographic/political/cultural "special situation".
UnknownSquid
(Too big, too small, too divided, too unified, too many cultures, too many whites, too dense, too sparse, etc. Have heard it all.)
IGuessThisWillHaveToDo
People on this site don't seem to understand how universal healthcare works...
UnknownSquid
A stress free blessing for those who receive it, and unfortunate ignorance of a better, fairer, simpler way, for those who don't.
plzwhateverisokforme
Patient group at a country level to pressure and cut cost. This is universale healthcare. Not free, but cheaper.
EvilVicious
2 broken testicles and a bent penis , $500,000 billed to my issurance and i am now able to fuck myself on a daily basis due to high bills.
fatguyinnalittlecoat
I threw my back out two summers ago. Even with insurance, the ambulance and ER visit set me back $600. Still sending $5/month payments.
umedupree
next time, put ice on it then take a hot shower. Repeat as needed. Also use ibuprophen. No need to involve an expensive ambulance or ER!
fatguyinnalittlecoat
When my back goes out, ice and heat won't do anything. I used to be prescribed Percocet but it didn't help so I quit taking it.
Ifuckdonuts
*laughs in european*
ohnoitsbarbo
*Canadian chuckle*
Iprefermypunsintended
Ha.
nxrble
Drunk hits me, over $500k medical for me, I sue for $150k, subrogated by MY insurance. Got $7k and lost my job afterwards. Not ok.
Mercenarity
Family member was broadsided in a parking lot. Much of the arbitration was spent grilling her about her personal life. Didn't make anything.
nxrble
I got that too. I had to ask the judge three times to let me get up and excuse myself outside to punch a tree. All just to cover their asses
MrHailstone
i was diagnosed with depression and got a prescription for 100 antidepressants. Talk with the doc + pills = 5€. Healthcare for the win.
Runzu
The doctors either never believe me or try to give me drugs rather than letting me talk to a mental health specialist. Same when I complain
Runzu
of having severe, consistent pain rather than recommending physical therapy. But I'm also poor af and using medicaid, so they don't care.
ImThePrincessInTheOtherCastle
Thats a big flaw in the system, you should have gotten a time for a therapist, rather than just pills... in the end it's all about money. :/
mkingi
I'm in the exact same boat, man. I feel for you. I use weed illegally to make me too lazy to kill myself.
kevincow
"Congratulations on living in a godless communist hellhole!" - half of all Americans.
ItMightBeTheWine
"Congrats on living in a country that gives a shit!" - the other half of all Americans... ????
paintingagency
"I don't know what an 'affordable mammogram' is, but I ain't paying for no whores to get doctored!" - half of all Americans
GrassfedChicken
Until they get hurt. Then they wish they lived in the godless communist hellhole.
Zokalwe
Nah, they'll just say obamacare drove the prices up.
CaptainJeanLucPicardOfTheFederationStarshipUSSEnterprise
Rent in the UK is hellish indeed!
Czck
Yeah I dont get this. Your country argues against it all the fucking time
Sandyundertones
We're confused by it too.
kevincow
Politicians argue against it because insurance companies give them money. Citizens argue against because they get their "news" from Fox (1)
kevincow
News, which is basically propaganda run by conservative politicians, and very good at getting people to vote against their own interests.(2)
Zokalwe
Don't forget the smartass "Hey, it's not FREE" like we need to be reminded it's paid through taxes. WE KNOW, WE PAY THEM.
Zokalwe
(Well, I don't... I live in 'murica...)
Mithi
"Thank you!", most of Europe, completely un-ironic.
psrobyn
Haha right! USA! USA! USA! *sniff* tries not to cry, cries a lot.
Mjolnyr
In the U.S. here I tore my ACL dirt biking. With insurance still cost me $26k for the surgery. I repeat, WITH INSURANCE $26,000!
MrPewpyPants
Dont you have a out-of-pocket maximum?
topdollar38
Yes All plans are required to in accordance with affordable care act. Even with a high deductible family plan, max owed is $14,300 in a year
Mjolnyr
This was before the ACA. The issue was that you have multiple payable parties. The doctor, surgery center, anesthesiologist, etc... 1/
Mjolnyr
In this case the doctor as in our network but chose a surgery center out of our network. They promised to honor our in network benefits. 2/
topdollar38
Gotchya. I assumed you meant this happened recently. Super shitty. At least ACA was a step in the right direction even if it is flawed.
Mjolnyr
They set up our payment plan for our portion then without notifying us slammed us for a bill of an additional 24k 3//
CrapBaskets
Our government is run by a new retard every four years. The rest of them can't even balance a budget.
mineovermatter
No, it isn't. Your ignorance of Fed gov is sad
MightyGlowCloud
While you do seem to have an extra hefty dose of stupid running things I think your biggest problem is the hilariously rampant corruption.
barberst
Sometimes it's every 8 years
elcee50
They can't even pass ANY budget these days. They just pass continuing resolutions.
Mavgurian
You government is newly elected every four years. Sadly swaying the masses is difficult. But it is possible.
thornlord
You need to be more specific about which country you're from. That could be SO MANY.
mastercodex199
There's only one Donald Trump. Unfortunately, that dude is now our nation's leader.
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mastercodex199
Agreed. I want to believe that people voted for Trump only because they didn't want to vote for Hillary. But, I know that's not true, and th
spudpicker
That doesn't excuse the Republican primary vote. They chose one man to represent them out of a large field of sorta-qualified folks.
windragon
he's not good for america in the short run, but he could be good in the long run as many more people seem to be getting involved in politics
dudeyeadudeuhwhateverdudebro
Huh?
SkiMaskThePlumpGod
pretty much what mark cuban said, trump is political chemotherapy.
PreciousPotato
I wonder if it would generally work better if Presidents could be reelected as often as they dare - might be some motvation to do /1
PreciousPotato
well. And also more of an election quarter year, so they don't waste so much time with campaigning.
GRex2595
We would see the same President until they really fucked up or got bored. People tend to vote the same way from one election to the next.
PreciousPotato
Think so? It might provide some stabilty. Like, in contrast to Hillary, Obama would probably have won against Trump, and would have had /1
PreciousPotato
more time to tune stuff like the ACA. Given how the whole system, not only insurances, work now, it'll take a LOT of years to build up /2
omgwtfhuh
This needs to happen either way. Our election cycle is way too long!
PreciousPotato
Yes. It makes you really tired of politics, and on the actual election, you're just like: I don't care, at least it's over. :P
whatthehell13
There's 535 voting members of congress and 9 supreme justices. Don't forget about them.
plutoinretrograde
Supreme Court justices have absolutely nothing to do with healthcare
BattyWhack
Not necessarily. In Canada healthcare is considered a right based on our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Judges have upheld this.
whatthehell13
They do when a lawsuit comes into their courtroom.
plutoinretrograde
Are you proposing that the Supreme Court impose universal healthcare through a court ruling?
whatthehell13
No. But they can have a significant impact on healthcare depending on the specific points of the lawsuit and their ruling.
Candyman216
Life term for justices should have been removed decades ago
GrilledMelonMan
I disagree, personally. I don't really have a problem with the life terms, but that's just me.
Candyman216
Opinion respected! If our president is limited to a max 8 years it seems reasonable that judges couple cope with 10 year terms.
Candyman216
The basis for my opinion, but again, yours is respected.
seedye
Ugh. "Balanced budget". Let me guess: you don't have a mortgage, car loan, or school debt? You can also legally print money?
seedye
You can set interest rates and devalue your currency? You can borrow in your own currency? Most of the world borrows in your currency?
seedye
You've got a military that could obliterate creditors if they get too uppity? "Balanced budget" usually code for "kick poors, cut taxes".
UmbertoBench
Well said! Balanced budget bullshit is one of the most important issues going around at the moment. You summed it up nicely.
Zokalwe
THANK. YOU. Equating a country to a household is so goddamn simplistic.
Wargamez
2 broken shoulders and a shattered elbow, 9 surgeries. $756,000 billed to my insurance. America!
scvd
What the actual fuck
FluffyPuddles
As a good consumer in the free market, how did you go about selecting your medical service providers after the accident?
Wargamez
I didn't. I was taken to the icu. They couldnt fix my elbow but found a specialist near by and sent me to him.
Avlaen
Home of the Free* *warning freedom dosent involve any protection or healthcare, or privacy.
poopypostapproval
I wonder what in the fuck makes it so expensive to begin with. Like 5k makes sense but six figures? Fuckin how?
Sockers
200 nurse hours*$40/hr, 40 physician hours*$120/hr, add in another 10k for administrative, 5k for utilities, 10k for supplies. Then...
poopypostapproval
Jesus
Wargamez
They charged $25 per day for cable TV...
Heyfong
That amounts to 37.800. I guess the rest is Golf Club fees?
Sockers
realize insurance is only going to pay 1/10 of that, after billing wastes 5 hours negotiating all of those bills.
Sockers
Assuming there was probably 5-10 inpatient days and a few outpatient surgeries with their own pre-op and post-op time
natistar
Also b/c it's through the ER. People with non emergent medical services and without insurance go through the ER so they increase amount due
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
Jesus fucking Christ. I'm so happy I don't live in the US. It's just not something we every worry about.
EngineerZero
And people still think that America is a first world country.
bengalhoel40
Just let the insurance pay what they pay and fuck the rest.
FluffyPuddles
Hey, freedom isn't free! No matter how old you are. We start a lifetime as debt slaves at birth.
CheetoStains
Unless you are privileged
naikou
Fucking healthcare/insurance companies are the worst at price gouging. Hospital Admins should be more hated than lawyers or politicians.
jenniferlawrenceisabear
How is the insurance company price gouging? They're getting the bill!
naikou
Oh trust me, they're very happy that prices are this high. You can charge a lot for insurance if a minor health mishap can bankrupt you.
someprickinvietnam
Union insurance is pretty bomb if you can get in.
btchfaaaaace
That's not how it works.
30Jonseredi
That's exactly how it works. Here we have free healthcare but in some minor cases you have to pay a minor proportion of the costs in order>
btchfaaaaace
I understand how healthcare works my point is hospital admins have no control over pricing. Blame CEO's your broken bones pay their salaries
30Jonseredi
>to avoid unnecessary usage of ambulances and whatever. That way the patient can see total costs and his/her part of the costs and even>
30Jonseredi
>in a country where almost everything is more expensive for some reason the cost of healthcare is many times cheaper than in the US.
civicrocker
OH, Canada, our home and native land....
Zap117
Damaged an eye . Had to make several trips to the hospital for 2-3 months. Got money back from the state for gas costs . Sweden !
alpinej0e
You can get reimbursed travel costs in the UK if you meet certain eligibility criteria (i.e are on benefits).
generationsai
Omg what a dream
knifeskills
Go Sweden!
Zap117
Also those days I was at the hospital that were workdays I got partial pay from work think it's like 80%
batmanbumantics
Welp, looks like I'm moving to Sweden!
Dook97
We have the same here in Czech Republic. For a month. Then you only receieve 60% of your payment.
AndreKroon
Norway would be a better idea pretty sure. While I live in Sweden and its great and all, Norway is richer and from what I gather has even (1
AndreKroon
better everything. (2)
SwitchPup
Waitlists and shoddy healthcare in the UK killed both of my maternal grandparents. It's not all sunshine and rainbows.
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
I feel like there is more to the story. If it was an urgent loss he it would be prioritised. What were they waiting for?
SwitchPup
My g.father had prostate cancer. They said he should probably have it removed, but they decided to "wait and see how it develops." He took a
SwitchPup
turn for the worse while he was sitting on some kind of low-priority waitlist. The way it was explained to me at the time, they had him on a
SwitchPup
list for the surgery but he wasn't considered a high priority case so they were putting it off. When he suddenly got worse, it was too late.
SwitchPup
My g.mother died of complications arising from ulcerative collitis, but that was around 30 years ago. I don't know the details, just that
GrassfedChicken
I heard this too. It might be free but when it takes 6mo+ to get an appointment it's not all that helpful.
lobosrul
Elderly people in the USA depend on gov funds for healthcare too. There are top up plans but pure private insurance is basicly unavailable.
alpinej0e
Sorry for your loss, but a busy NHS is the result of government underfunding and an ageing population which we've failed to prepare for.
Hybris51129
In short sooner or later the system does collapse under its weight either because there is nothing left to get funds from or from shortages.
UmbertoBench
Evidence from all the countries who've had similar healthcare programs for about 80 years would suggest you're wrong.
Hybris51129
Why? Give it another 20 years and the whole thing could cave in. It took 80 years for the Soviets to crumble. (1)
Hybris51129
its understandable that this will take longer since we're not talking about nations that operate at the level of a world superpower (2/2)
SwitchPup
Perhaps. However, the first of these happened about 30 years ago, and the second nearly 10 years ago. The way I look at it, you get what you
SwitchPup
pay for. The good thing about private systems is that you can get the treatment your doctor recommends, when they recommend it -- not the
escalinci
UK has a healthy private healthcare economy as well. You would be paying twice, but public only way to ensure everybody affordable access.
SwitchPup
treatment the government is willing to pay for, when they have the manpower to do it. Yes, you have to pay for it, and yes, many people
sourorphan2112
I find this interesting, i am in the US, my friend is in the UK. Her healthcare is free but we get a lot more options here it seems.
SwitchPup
can't afford it. But something as big and over-arching as the NHS will probably ALWAYS have funding and manpower issues, and that presents
dwheated
Reading what some of you are paying for your broken bodies has made me go outside and kiss my sweet, sweet Canadian soil
Zokalwe
"Canada Man spent night outdoors with lips frozen stuck on the pavement" - the newspapers tomorrow
dwheated
Hahahahah I hope it says woman and also this is our one week of sprummer (spring/summer) so theoretically I should make it back in
AndreKroon
Ah, you didn't make it back in time?
BewareTheCrocigator
RIP dwheated
GrassfedChicken
Sometimes I really want to dress up like a goose and try to claim dual citizenship.
dwheated
Just be a refugee, we'll just let you in the front door, haha
NZSheeps
"What are you doing crossing the border illegally, eh?" / "Sorry" / "Sorry, sir. I didn't realize you were Canadian"
HoldMyWater
...After intense vetting by our intelligence and law enforcement agencies, and not if you're an unaccompanied male (need kids or a woman).
mzmzpants
Living in the states made me do the same. Home now, getting a maple leaf tattoo soon.
dwheated
I'm doing that too!! Amazing, post pictures!!
mzmzpants
agreed & ditto! Its a tad more hygienic then literally kissing the ground, eh?
dwheated
Maybe a little... also welcome home!!
DialgaTheTimeLord
How and how soon can I move to Canada?
ogotai
Wait till the Tories privatise the NHS
Playaaa
To be fair, the tories have been power for many years and the NHS still hasn't been privatised. Not gonna change anytime soon.
derekjohn
That's the plan the Tory party backers are working towards.
omgwtfhuh
Don't let them - you guys have to fight that. Privatise it and you'll get the same shit the US has - it doesn't work!
ComicallyLongUsername
Vote Labour in June.
batmanbumantics
SNP MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!! Theresa May can SUCK MA BOABY!!!
ComicallyLongUsername
Tbh I'd vote SNP if I were north of the Border. Freedom for the Celtic Nations!
Skunge
He'll I'd vote snp if they came south down to us. Come make England "new Scotland"
TheBritfag
And neuter the country? lol
Corrosion
Hey, by voting Labour, at least we have a say in it. The Tories wanna just do it on their own.
givemeyourhate
Lol goodbye military if you vote for comrade corbyn. I quite like my job thank you. Vote Tory for now. labour in 5 years when corbyn gone
Corrosion
The tories blatantly don't care about you or any normal person. I'm not gonna invite someone who punches me in the face to my party.
galsfer06
We also have a socialist healthcare here in Portugal but it's hella Inefficient. And our taxes are stupid high. Some people die waiting (1/2
non5ense
Please. If the doctor diagnoses a deadly disease, you'll be in surgery/treatment in days or in a few weeks. No matter how many thousands €..
non5ense
...they have to spend (even with low taxes vier the years). It only takes a lot of time for "minor" issues.
missnugget
It's not that what you said is wrong, it's not. But most Portuguese people have this weird Concept that everywhere else has it a thousand
missnugget
/2 worse.. and it's just not the case. I'm British Portuguese and in my experience the Portuguese one tops the British one by far.
mikeshinobi
DELET THIS!!!
fissnoc
It's too late! Everyone knows! Hide the bodies!
fluhatinrapper
Is that the name of one of those new age rappers?
galsfer06
(2/2 it's the best system to help everyone but its not flawless. That's why in the USA this should be a statal decision.
YouAreNotARobot
The US is literally the richest country in the world, there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to provide healthcare. The problem is the
YouAreNotARobot
insane amount of money we needlessly spend on our military.
YouAreNotARobot
More than the next 12 countries combined? There is no reason for that.
ColonelCrabs
Statal, love it. But yeah as an American I agree wholeheartedly
galsfer06
xD I'm glad we are on the same boat. Let the people in the different 50 states decide for their own state
galsfer06
Aka 1 state chooses healthcare for everyone and the taxes are higher. Another state chooses free market healthcare and the taxes are lower.
hearthstoneaccount3
healthcare. The very notion it could work is laughable a basic free healthcare and a private healthcare that better is best compromise.
hearthstoneaccount3
free market healthcare can't possibly work due to the fact the buyer simply has no choice and we need to have high barrier of entry on 1/
omgwtfhuh
Our republican party wants state level decisions not federal. It means inequality for people who can't afford to move out of bad states.
blacksteve
As do we libertarians. A perfect system is not a reasonable goal; perfect is the enemy of good.
Corin
I'm not a republican and I want state level decisions because the rest of the country is dragging my state down.
override367
That doesn't make any sense, the larger the risk pool the lowest costs per unit of care, and the US already spends more per citizen on -
override367
healthcare in the form of tax dollars than anywhere else, it's just hugely inefficient because of all the profits made along the way
override367
the healthcare with the lowest overhead in America is medicare, which is the largest healthcare pool in the country but forbidden by law -
override367
to negotiate prescription drug prices and numerous other tactics other country's national health agencies use to keep costs down
ThermoNuke
My rising premiums disagree with you.
override367
private health insurance has no incentive to keep costs down whatsoever
The701
"There's a 35% price increase this year. Our 'competition' is doing the same, and our CFO has a dangerously-persistent erection. "
humptysorthopedic
USA, UK, Can, Aus, Jpn etc has sovrgn national currency. Portugal has Euro, which you don't control or create, must "get" externally
ZomWataar
Yeah, don't bother with hospitals in Southern Europe. Or Eastern Europe.
SellarsW
which is odd considering that life expectancy in Spain and Italy is in both cases in the top ten
spacerated
Eurozone perks mate. Also lifestyle. Americans partake in far riskier behaviors, and most healthcare costs are for preventable diseases
SellarsW
eurozone what? tell me you are not really suggesting that italians and spaniards go to hospitals abroad please
spacerated
And accident related injury that have nothing to do with being unable to treat a problem early on/before it gets worse.
PapaOJ
I don't know how you didn't get downvoted into oblivion, but I love you man.
BeeCups
Meanwhile I got hit by a car yesterday and can't afford to go make sure I'm okay. Thanks USA
lostinukraine
If you got hit BY a car his insurance will cover it. If you got hit driving your car there is a good chance your insurance will cover it
n3ckr0mantic
Yeah here in America they'll reattach the hand but cut your leg off to pay for it
fitlex
It's more like they chop off a toe and tell the insurance company they had to chop off three legs, because they know they're good for it
ahuman1
or make you see a kidney...yeah, i live in These United States too....
ahuman1
*Sell
Chereazi
Why didn't you just NOT break your hand? No health insurance needed then! ;P
Imissthe80sandIwanttogohome
Well, i didnt mean to!
njullpointer
that's no excuse! bleeding the system dry you leech! (sarcasm, my friend, massive sarcasm!)
baldewok
Or you could just die. Also no health insurance needed!
derekjohn
Have you seen the cost of a funeral? Cheaper to spend a month in hospital in the UK.
CritChanceZero
How is this being upvoted? You think people just run around breaking their hands for a giggle?
DarkUranium
You mean you don't?
Imixmywhiskeywithmilk
Chereazi
Sarcasm ;P
CritChanceZero
..You can have your upvote back
imatumorx9
InFin0819
I punched a concrete wall at work to do it last week. It was worth a laugh.
mattsall
I can only imagine how many deaths there would be in the US from people trying to get their money's worth if their healthcare was made free
njullpointer
probably less than the number of deaths there are now from preventable diseases!
SvenGuy
You panzy, here in America you just go broke and live off welfare while everyone complains you do.
FoxGodRecords
*pansy
omgwtfhuh
Only if you live in a state that gives assistance to single, non-disabled people and if you can magically afford to jump through their hoops
chupacabraattack
Or have insurance
blackwidowsideboob
Curious what's decent medical insurance with in the states
StAndrews607
Close to $1000 per month if I wanted something decent through my exchange in the state I live in. I make 35k per year, no subsidies for me.
blackwidowsideboob
Holy shit man that's twice what I pay in income tax per and I make 32
StAndrews607
Yep, I'm a perfectly healthy male age 23. I get insurance through work, costs 37 per check, 1750 deduct. Thankfully I don't really need it.
dinnerbell
The one politicians get
BrownAppShaper
My favorite is how you have to pay to have a baby in the u.s.
Tiriki
I got a bill after the birth of my 2nd, before registering babe. €400 for a hosp birth. Child is covered 1/2
Tiriki
for free with my health insurance until 18 years. 2/2
FuzzyX
That is why the USA scores badly on infant mortality.
MarshallDaemon
No only some of us. My sister in law paid nothing for 3 kids. I paid 6000 for 1.
Tiriki
how does that work?
fluhatinrapper
Different insurances too.
SoundFuture
If you're really poor the state will pay for it. If you're anything but really poor you're out of luck.
batmanbumantics
Doesn't seem very fair. One mans baby shouldn't be worth more than the others. Did both receive the same quality of treatment?
SoundFuture
Both the less expensive and more expensive hospitals have similar success rates in terms of treating illness. Though if you're poor you're/1
Runzu
My medicaid technically covers a lot, but the actual treatment I try to get/ask for gets routinely denied. Especially mental health¯\_(ツ)_/¯
jery007
you mean to KEEP the baby.
fitlex
We had the opposite in Australia - 5k 'baby bonus'. So of course people started popping out kids so they could afford flat screen TVs.
BrownAppShaper
Fuck I could use a new TV...
MrTroysWildRide
Fuck that. When I received the baby bonus (which has reduced from 5k) it went on things for baby. Turns out they're expensive little fuckers
fluhatinrapper
Jesus. It's a trap!
bluesandwhich
And plenty of people in the US still want abortions to be illegal!
Dook97
Wow... Now I´m glad I´m from central Europe.
IStandBravelyAtTheGatesOfUsersubAndSpareYouManyWoesCasual
My son was born not breathing and needed a respirator. When he was 3 mos old my insurance sent me a letter claiming "he did not need 1/2
IStandBravelyAtTheGatesOfUsersubAndSpareYouManyWoesCasual
The respirator" and I owe them 12k as they have chosen to not cover it. I've paid for my same health insurance for 20 years. Thanks guys!
batmanbumantics
That's terrible. I hope they changed their minds and didn't charge you.
IStandBravelyAtTheGatesOfUsersubAndSpareYouManyWoesCasual
Still fighting it
natistar
Ask them to do a peer review with the physician??
thelonepig
That's the fucking thing. I didn't go in the ER asking for an MRI. My doctor said I needed it. My insurance decided they knew better.
BrownAppShaper
That's just what I've heard I'm a snow Mexican so it's all rumors and riff Raff to me eh
plastikman
Only if you're a legal citizen do you pay!
Imissthe80sandIwanttogohome
Tell me you're fucking joking?
ItIsByWillAloneISetMyMindInMotion
We have decent insurance and it will cost probably $500-1500.
itmeanspeaceamongworlds
They even charge you an extra fee if you want to briefly hold your baby before it's taken away after a c-section.
SoundFuture
You only have to pay if you have any money and are a citizen. If you're INCREDIBLY poor or a foreign citizen the state will pay for it.
StAndrews607
So what you're saying is I should pull all cash, renounce American citizenship, apply for citizenship elsewhere and then have a child here?
StAndrews607
*crosses fingers and hopes that works* #stupidamerica
HitlersArtCritic
IIRC Costs 2k to renounce us citizenship, and the IRS checks if you're doing it to avoid taxes.
StAndrews607
Damn lol womp womp.
AwkwardKeming
You don't. Oh. Now I'm more sad.
dandep24
My baby was born with jaundice after I spent 34.5 hours in labor because I had to be induced due to complications. $38000
dandep24
This was last year
dandep24
Oh I do have insurance but my job switched to a high deductible plan right before she was born. I got a bill for around 2k
natistar
That's not really the cost. They put 38k but you can deff cut that price
CatBlaster5000
No, and most jobs don't give paternity leave so mothers typically lose their jobs.
johnsza
thats a horrible lie, I cannot believe enough people believed it for this to have positive points.
CatBlaster5000
It's absolutely true, I've personally seen happen many times, and I know of many other accounts. What makes you think it doesn't?
Vercinger
*maternity. Paternity is for dads.
CatBlaster5000
My bad.
AwkwardKeming
And, like zero jobs give paternity leave. Most I got was the permission to use a couple of vacation days, and that with dirty looks.
JustAnotherPOG
Not legally, they don't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_and_Medical_Leave_Act_of_1993
Thor1229
I was 6 Months pregnant and my "position was eliminated" went back in after I had the baby and there was someone in my position.
CatBlaster5000
See, I keep telling people this. Just because there is a law for something doesn't mean people follow it. And we can't all afford lawyers.
CatBlaster5000
Yeah dude, they know you can't afford a lawyer. The law means nothing to shitty employers.
JustAnotherPOG
If you have a decent case, many lawyers will work on a contingency basis. This is extremely common in personal injury and employment cases.
batmanbumantics
Serious answers please; what happens if you can't afford it? They can't exactly take the baby off you...
ashmenon
They initiate Operation Control-Z.
byteme8bit
You get sent to collections which impacts your credit. Which can impact your job search as some employers are now checking credit scores.
batmanbumantics
Why do employers care about credit scores??
fluhatinrapper
Shows whether or not you are responsible. Or at least that's what they think.
JustAnotherPOG
People with financial problems can be a liability for a business if part of the job entails handling a lot of money or sensitive info.
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AccountancyShanty
I know for sure that banks have started doing this. My wife works for one and had her credit checked. Mine too, in fact, and 1/2
JustAnotherPOG
A credit check is part of every single background check conducted for government security clearances.
InRetrospectIShouldveLearnedToSwimBeforeBecomingaSailor
e.g. If you apply to work with money but can't manage your own. Doesn't exactly paint you in the best light for that particular job.
InRetrospectIShouldveLearnedToSwimBeforeBecomingaSailor
Especially if another candidate shows much more responsibility.
MOKL112
god bless medicare here in australia hahahahahahahahahahaha
RMaybeth
No offense m8 but the price u pay is not just dollars. Wouldnt live in australia Vs good old USA. Everything i want to do is illegal there.
striketwo
Well, after Martin Bryant went nuts and killed 30+ people we actually did something to stop something like that from happening again 1/2
striketwo
Unlike yanks that loose their shit on a daily basis and do nothing to stop it. You do know the rest of the world thinks you're insane right?
RMaybeth
We don't give a shit what you think. When other nations attack you its us that bails you out.
striketwo
70 years ago that may have been the case, but not today. You're leading yourselves down a dark path at the moment. Good luck.
Terminology
This is what we call salt, kids. Diversion & defensive behavior when presented with evidence that someplace else might do something better.
RMaybeth
Nice try. But living in Australia or UK sounds like being in a minimum security prison.You can have my share, sucker.
Terminology
You are not a smart man.
UmbertoBench
Have you ever been to Australia or the UK?
WacknCheese
Or a minimum security prison?
MOKL112
Hahaha
foxisaac
So how about those cuts guys?
DohngSohng
The government should pay Australian inhabitants money just for staying alive
pookieeatworld
That would just result in runaway inflation. I'm fun at parties.
toatalyunkoalafied
They do, it's the unemployment benefit.
TheDrunkenWrench
Nothing is more un-Australian than getting compo you actually deserve.
NickFurryTheSecond
Its called centerlink money lol.
CalvinAndHobbesForReal
This comment is *very* underrated
snomang
A U S, A U S, A U S, A U S
Hugeberries23
OI, OI, OI, OI
CrunchyLookingLeaf
broke my leg. was in surgery 8 hours later= $0.....Stomach pains -> apendix removed 12 hours later = $0
nottheAdmiralAhkbar
I don't believe human life could be possible in Australia without public health care. You know, with all the things that want to kill you
Assfullofbread
You guys don't have free healthcare?
gooberhead
we pretty much do - two babies delivered beautifully, gallbladder out - free. prescription for e.g. antibiotics is maybe $5.
Assfullofbread
Same in Canada
Selkii
Its free-ish
fitlex
Some things are so cheap they're effectively free, some things are very expensive. No way of telling until it's time to pay.
Benruryefri
Honestly it could be better. They are trying to privates the hospitals.
ioncethoughtiwashalfcathalfwitchhalfhuman
How does one private a hospital?
therearenomoreusernamesleft
Ah yes, Australia home of the red white and blue flag.
KoRplussomeletters
Well, you're not wrong.
MoondanceRadio
/\ cutting social commentary. Hopefully it makes some people think.
MOKL112
That and bogans with the southern cross tattooed on them. Lo
Dyslexicbirch
ah yes the southern cross tattoo the im a racist cunt and must let everyone know tat
Threeleggedcow
The irony of a white racist in a black man's country in the middle of Asia is clearly lost on those types.
IamIntoleranceIntolerant
Get it right. It's "SUVVUN KWOSS!!!" you posho, pommy wannabe cock-gobbler. It's the "Baffest 500" car race and I live in Pemriff.
MOKL112
dont worry keint, i'm from blacktown
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
What the fuck, since when is the southern cross racist? Is this a parody of America's southern state flag stuff or what?
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
You know it was designed by the Ballarat gold miners of the Eureka Stockade, right? Are any of you even Australians?
ikealamps
you say that as if bogans are rednecks
IsuckAsthis
Bogans are rednecks without the guns and bibles.
hypnokrote
Bogans are rednecks in khaki
hiroprotagonistdeliverator
I just read the wiki entry on bogans! We call it those types white trash here in the US. Whoa, I know strine!
CheeseBelongsInTheKitten
I reckon that down vote was a triggered American.
TheClayKnight
Or a grammar nazi
DopeyFuckedaPenguinOnceAgain
How did you break it so badly that you had to stay a few nights?
dmoore182
Because the care was free. It takes a few days to get anything done.
Imissthe80sandIwanttogohome
Boxing sparring, caught the top of a guys hip bone and snapped off two knuckles. Japanese surgeon had to pin it all back together.
MadDrDrillBit
well i guess we should ban that activity now
KrondorMocker
Wanking
LongoloidFartExplosion
The true answer.
Imissthe80sandIwanttogohome
Jesus, think you may need to adjust your tecnique there! Practice "gentle" just in case you ever get near a real woman.
ColonelCouch
I don't often have a wank near real women
KrondorMocker
i am a woman....
DidNotInhale
Shes a fucking hero of a woman
fedillan
Thank god for living in a civilized country. What kind of backwards shithole would charge their citizens for healthcare
Phischstaebchen
Trumpistan
NotIrony
I love how some people love to compare the USA to the EU when in reality we are far more similar to China and Russia.
konefsta
In Cyprus salaries up to 19,500 euro have zero tax. More than 19,5k you get taxed 20% for the extra. So if i get 20k i will get taxed on 500
slartibartfastkhashour
Ah-ah-ah, you are cjarged, TAXES. I'm not saying it's not a good idea, but you are very much still literally paying for it.
slartibartfastkhashour
Besides, have you SEEN a lot of our politicians? I'm not sure we don't need to clean house before handing healthcare to them.
Elsuave
People voted Trump, against helthcare!!!! The enjoy dying.
HamsterOnAGoat
Paying for it in taxes is charging your citizens for it
batmanbumantics
True, but it's better paying a little towards a whole nation receiving health care than "every-man-for-himself" and STILL paying thousands
batmanbumantics
*tens of thousands, according to some of these comments, which is insanity!
ForgotMyOtherAcct
Which America already does. We are top five in taxes, way up in 1st on private insurance. We spend more than anyone else on health.
CMcAwesomeville
TBH, I always thought the US was quite decent in paying taxes. To make up for the lack of any healthcare, etc... God I was wrong.
Ulthirm
One where the system allowed for one self centered Person to go in leadership, open the position to more self centered and eventually made i
Ulthirm
It so the population doesn't know what truly is best for them or their country...
Besilk
oh hey there, every country on balkan charges for healthcare, and i u have insurance ull get money out of insurance like 5 years later
LinearAlgebro
why not just give everyone free food and free housing and free clothes too
CallingYouOnYourShit
You pay more for your medical cover than any other country in the world, including all the ones with universal healthcare.
szepasszony
sounds good to me
UmbertoBench
If you could afford it, why wouldn't you? Imagine a world where all production was done by robots and all robots were owned by one person 1/
UmbertoBench
That person was super rich and payed a lot of tax. Shouldn't the government distribute that tax revenue to everyone else?
igivetheinternets
Why should the wealthy person pay the tax?
UmbertoBench
Because he lives in a society. He would not be rich if there weren't people to buy his robots' output. Or any of the other government
Imightbetrolling
Idiot. When you have a healthy population they will pay in more than they will ever draw. When you can't work due to illness you can't pay /
Imightbetrolling
taxes or ss. The country as a whole is better off by keeping it's population healthy and educated or we get dumb fuck replies like yours.
Exoticz
You're the aggressive one here ironwaffle. You want to steal other people's money to fund healthcare, etc. so you don't have to be a 1/2
Exoticz
nice person anymore and possibly rely on charity. This is the kind of attitude you get when things are paid for through extortion brackets..
Imightbetrolling
More idiotic statements.
doesntmatter
[insert tax comment here]
Imixmywhiskeywithmilk
I was just about to say something. Free doesn't mean free. You're still paying for it.
Imixmywhiskeywithmilk
Jesus. Sorry, let me imgurize it. I can't wait until everything is free. I may have to live in a cardboard box by the river since I pay 75%
Imixmywhiskeywithmilk
Of my salary in taxes so that Mr burnout can go to the ER for his hangnail, but at least I can say I helped society by providing what they
Imixmywhiskeywithmilk
Don't want to work for.
FrankPerkele
I'm happy to pay taxes when I know I will benefit from it.
fedillan
Oh look, the usual crowd of mouthbreathers nitpicking sematics have arrived
Imixmywhiskeywithmilk
Sorry for the excess of logic. Didn't mean to impose on your pipe dreams of unicorn and fairyland.
fedillan
Strange how im living where its a reality. But hey Trump is really proud of you commitment to fucking over your fellow citizens
pyrotica
Its not a semantic when your argument involves ignoring a valid point.
doesntmatter
It's semantics when the argument is over whether it is free as in gratis or free as in freely available.
fedillan
Lol, only an american would argue what constitutes free healtcare to win an argument. Go back to bombing countries, its what your good at.
pyrotica
Not saying i oppose the idea but you are full of shit.
lambaroo
op didn't mention "free", so before you "just about said something" you really should have reread
UmbertoBench
I'm paying only what I can afford to pay. That's how taxes work.
blackwidowsideboob
Fucking barely man. It's one portion of the hundreds of things your tax dollars go to already. Costs less per month I bet than fucking 1/2
blackwidowsideboob
Insurance. Since in a universal system prices have limits on drugs and everything basically. I pay not a lot more in taxes than Americans wh
blackwidowsideboob
O don't live in Texas or Alaska
spudilicious
Every country. Every country charges their citizens for healthcare. Doctors don't work for free and medical supplies aren't fully donated.
j55555
Except in India, where doctors are paid shit salary in government jobs! Instead they give extra marks if you work in the underpaid job. The1
j55555
marks get you a specialization postgraduate seat which are also few. One cannot become a specialist just with residency experience and2/?
j55555
writing exams like other countries. To top it all, doctors are regularly beat up by the people getting free fast healthcare. There 3/?
j55555
are no/minimal waiting list for all surgeries including ortho and cardio surgeries. 4/4
BustyCrustacean
But not every country allows an insurance cartel to run a racket and drive up prices
spudilicious
It is actually the providers driving up the costs. Insurers run on relatively thin profit margins. 1/
SergeiBoobtitsky
SHOO!!! Get out of here with your facts!!!
spudilicious
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/080615/6-reasons-healthcare-so-expensive-us.asp
spudilicious
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/why-an-mri-costs-1080-in-america-and-280-in-france/2011/08/25/gIQAVHztoR_blog.html?utm_
thirdworldrepresent
There are many of us :( Poor public education, corrupt government, measly pensions, bare healthcare insurance, backwards movements
mike112769
Hello! I too am American.
thirdworldrepresent
such as anti-contraceptive groups & absence of divorce laws. Anyone who can, will emigrate somewhere else better.
Corin
US has a positive net migration rate meaning that more people enter than leave. By far, actually.
Corin
We have amazing public education! There are eve Chinese, Japanese, & Spanish immersion schools here! Could send my kids to any of them.
liliantbn
If you pay a lot of money. There are good private schools anywhere in the world.
Corin
No, I'm talking about public education. It's so great around here. Really feel secure about the future of my children.
therearenomoreusernamesleft
Maybe Uganda? Or some other 3rd world country.
ElPoloDiablo
Fun fact: Third world refers to the country's stance during the Cold War. 1st world - Allied to US, 2nd world - Allied to USSR. 3rd neutral
eroso
Nowadays it doesn't. It used to yes, but the modern definition is different. Eg. Swede, Finland and Switzerland were 3rd world countries.
fedillan
"or some other 3rd world country" The answer youre looking for is America
00ImBatman00
Damn, this hurts, but I can't go to the doctor because I'm not covered
liliantbn
Same here.
dolphinboynd
I can't afford the psychiatric help I need to be able to be socially functional again. It's the best.
5047
Paying through taxes doesn't count as charging the citizen?
fedillan
Was about to say everyone knows what free healthcare implies, but then i remembered Americans dont know the consept.
Candyman216
Only the dumb majority. Don't lump us all in there.
ForgotMyOtherAcct
Considering our taxes for healthcare are among the highest, and our out of pocket are way the highest, I think our system sucks.
QuadrilateralEnix
what country?
ForgotMyOtherAcct
US of A, baby.
Candyman216
We are too happy to pay insurance companies for nothing.
VainyBangStick
It's spread out in taxes with no worry of medical bills when you're ill or injured. If you're out of work you still get covered. No one 1/2
5047
Doesn't change the fact that the initial statement of citizens not being charged is false
VainyBangStick
It's purely semantics. There's no charge per visit/treatment. With or without insurance there's always a bill for treatment in the us. 1/2
VainyBangStick
2/2 which can be the deciding factor in people visiting doctors. There's none of that in the uk. Plus the costs in the us are insane
VainyBangStick
2/2 has to go bankrupt to live or worry that their insurance doesn't cover stuff.
VainyBangStick
Plus the amount paid is a reasonable amount. It's not like it's a massive percentage of wage.
Candyman216
Omg, stop being part of the problem.
5047
Don't get me wrong provided healthcare is convenient for everyone but it's in no way free so it's ridiculous to call it so
Candyman216
The term free is important because people make better decisions about care when their judgement isn't clouded by incurred costs.
5047
The payment for said healthcare is just paid as an investment over time through tax rather than up front as a large bill
Candyman216
Nobody is pretending that Santa pays for it. Every single thread is filled with the heavy taxation involved.
gumbootjack
I think you convinced them there!
TheSeanShow
You think an imgur comments discussion is going to convince someone to change their mind about free healthcare?
Candyman216
True enough. It's a head in hands reaction.
gumbootjack
I'm with you. Know the frustration.
Candyman216
In the U.S. I pay 11% of my net in healthcare after I paid 24% in taxes.
thdudedude
Single no kids?
Candyman216
Bingo. Even with mortgage interest and the %1 healthcare deduction.
Candyman216
Fed, state, med, ss, local came to a tick over $42,000.
Candyman216
I count ss as a tax seeing as it is highly unlikely I will benefit from it and it too is being used to finance wars.
triedtothinkofausernamethatwasntalreadytaken
I don't know what your country uses you taxes for but it's definitely not to help you
liliantbn
Exactly. Maybe to pay for all the wars and armament?
triedtothinkofausernamethatwasntalreadytaken
problem is a lot of those wars are entirely of your own making I mean you need a beefed up military because you've made too many enemies.
FingerYou
In Germany, I pay 24% taxes and just 1,4% healthcare. The healthcare is a total of 16% and my employer pays the rest of 14,6%.
Candyman216
My employer pays exactly zero. This was the Republican contribution and mandate for passing AHA aka Obamacare. More $ to insurance companies
Candyman216
But Republicans want the people to pay 2xs what their employer would have be taking away collective bargaining on insurance premiums. Debacl
christian74
vlog bro's did a good segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjGouBmo0M
lobosrul
You pay 15.3% just in payroll taxes in USA. Your employer pays half that but its still coming out of your net paycheck.
earlyriser79
In Canada I pay like 30% (Provincial & Federal), from that amount 50% is for healthcare.
poodleguts
And if you get sick, and they consider you a risk, you will probably be paying 25 to 30% on top. Bad systems are just bad systems.
Scrnshot
Netherlands here, pay 52% income tax at the most.
corbynDallas
U.K. 20%. But if you need an MRI, surgery, chronic medical, it's all good man.
GiantFlyingDishwasher
Wait, wasn't the USA supposed to be for low taxes? (I am not from the US and I am genuinely curious)
Ninjastro
That's what our politicians say but those of us who understand basic economics know we pay the same (or more) taxes but no healthcare :(
Candyman216
They always say it, and they talk about how unhappy the rest of world is (death panels and year long wait for doctors) but a few of us read.
NoGunsNoCats
paying out 35% of your income is not unusual in developed nations.
Candyman216
Most developed countries also offer assistance with college and transportation
AllTheGoodOnesWereAlreadyTaken
And you probably still have substantial co-pays and deductibles to meet, should you ever need to *use* said health insurance.
beaudukes1111
My insurer said, "your plan isn't designed for ppl seeking services." It was the best plan my job offered.
AllTheGoodOnesWereAlreadyTaken
This makes me so fricking sad. I could just cry, for all working Americans trapped in this health care system.
Mumalot
They just want your money & they cover very little =/
Candyman216
Premiums are $500 each month, deductible is $6000 and they decline %20 of all claims hoping you won't fight it. Out of network has different
Candyman216
deductible.
MayaMacskusz
In Hungary i pay 12% for healthcare,23% for pension,16% after my paycheck, and ewerything i by there are 27% sales tax on it.
MayaMacskusz
AAnd my employer pays almost the same amount of money after me.
Candyman216
You're counting personal pension as a tax? That's fiscal responsibility. Here we pay SS and pension ourselves. W pay 7-8% sales tax as well.
MayaMacskusz
No. This is pension for elders, not for ourselves. If i want that guarantied in the future for myself, i should have pay more in privpension
Candyman216
Oh. That sucks too. Sorry
poodleguts
I have no idea how much you make, but if you are paying 25%, it must be at least $150,000, otherwise you'd pay much much less...
Candyman216
Lil over, but yes
CraftedLine
I believe that would be 33%. Not sure, not a CPA, but I was at 33% and made around 150k that year.
CraftedLine
Or so I believe.
CraftedLine
Now I think someone is robbing my ass at the company!
Candyman216
Every single u.s. politician should be burned at the stake, but instead they're cheered on like some sports team. Fk this country.
mineovermatter
Bye
Candyman216
Every civilized country has tighter immigration laws than ours.
Vectorman2
All those criminal reports holding you back?
liliantbn
Wholeheartedly agree.
BigDaddyHall
Then you are doing something wrong. Last year I made $250k, paid 17% in taxes and I did not pay $27k for healthcare.
Candyman216
And you were aware that in my particular state, my costs are max'd and at no point did I or anyone else state that you would also pay 11%?
Scrnshot
17% must feel good, Netherlands here at 52% tax
Candyman216
And you don't have any dependents? You're self insured because your employer is small enough it is no longer obligated to provide a plan?
liliantbn
Where is that?
BigDaddyHall
Texas. No state tax. Also, know that is my overall tax percentage. My top end I paid in at like 33% or so, not positive.
Candyman216
And you were aware that ss has a wage cap so your pay being $70,000 higher would be taxed less overall?
Thneitis
The best country in the world does. Ok, maybe not the best, but the most terrifying
MightyMouseTech
North Korea?
Assfullofbread
Definitely not the best if they do. Your schools are also super expensive
Thneitis
Eh, public schools aren't horrible. I got out of a 4 year college with 17k in debt. Only $150 a month payment.
Assfullofbread
My gf got out of 5 years university with 0$ in debt
Thneitis
Imissthe80sandIwanttogohome
Dont know, North Korea?
vyciunass
I dont think they do. They care about their people. Not much, but they care.
DarkMaster98
eroso
That's funny bc even they got UHC, when US doesn't.
ThePortugeeseInquisition
really?!
eroso
It's a communist country. Ofc they have UHC.
ThePortugeeseInquisition
or no healthcare at all
ThePortugeeseInquisition
they are de facto communist, but ahve an ideology called juche
KrondorMocker
....BEST Korea!!
fedillan
Only Korea!!!
Imissthe80sandIwanttogohome
ipumpyourdad
AkLonewolf
*blleeewpp*
iamkyleh
The idea of free healthcare seems like its not even possible. Its hard to imagine its actually a real thing
mikeshinobi
That's because "free healthcare" is not a real thing
fedillan
Strange how most first world countries manage it, but if murica dont do it it must be impossible right...
TrumpRapesChildren
The ones that do are nowhere near as large as the US.. Things change drastically with scale.. We need single payer.
ShaneEngland
Which is why I'm glad to be a disabled veteran, free healthcare for life
iamkyleh
Im from america, and if i get seriously injured and cant work, i might end up homeless. I would love free healthcare, but its not an option
ShaneEngland
Just go to the ER the have to treat you, just give a fake address so no bill
fedillan
Sucks for you, but thats the price you pay for keeping the dangerous socialists out of the country of the "free"
iamkyleh
Its not like anyone here who isnt filthy rich even has a voice in anything that goes on. We just get stuck with the consequences
liliantbn
Is not an option just because there's no unity of all who think it should be an option. No one knows how many would really back it. Maybe ++
YouCantHaveMyHouse
If you lived in a 1st world country, you wouldn't go broke from hospital bills and even if you lost your job you wouldn't go homeless.
iamkyleh
That almost seems like a fantasy
The701
There's profit to be made. Healthcare mutual funds have been outperforming the stock market for quite a few years now. (Yeah, healthcare
The701
companies here in the US are publicly-traded, and pharmaceutical companies advertise directly to consumers. The commercials say "Ask your
The701
doctor if is right for you." In other words, "Insist that your doctor prescribes you ."
ElioAbigor
Brazil
whosaidjehovah
I'm worried that the UK will be on this list in 10 years or so if we continue to underfund ours. Already heading in thar direction
Terminology
Haven't you heard? There's going to be hundreds of millions of pounds for the NHS because Brexit! (please kill me)
lambaroo
that's what happens when you vote people into power who *deliberately* sabotage a working system for ideological and self greed reasons
Batmannequin
If you haven't registered to vote yet please do! Election time is coming, let your voice be heard
MoondanceRadio
Underfund. Then Claim it's not working. Then privatize. It's a well trodden path.
CallingYouOnYourShit
Right. That's why the French, Dutch, Italian and German governments own and profit from our railways.
batmanbumantics
FUCK THE FUCKING TORIES!!!!
mynamesjeffshortforjerrithan
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Bumble123
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CallingYouOnYourShit
And yet we keep voting Conservative because we don't want to pay more tax - even if we aren't rich enough for that to apply to us.
WrongUn
I don't!
DaithiUK
I don't understand that myopic view point . If you want services to improve and that costs money what's another few percent tax.
DaithiUK
No one on the bread line will even pay it because they're either below the personal allowance or on tax credits anyway.
ilovecake
'Merica
WilwoWaggins
Maybe one that wants to see healthcare improve?
justinbieberselfie
It is naive to think that you aren't paying for it in one form or another. Either way, you're paying for it.
mineovermatter
So...I have to pay more in taxes evennifnid rather select my own health plan? Fuck that
dinnerbell
Yes. That's exactly it. So when your parents get sick abruptly they don't have to lose their home if the forgot to trust it to 1
dinnerbell
you five years in advance bc they now need to qualify for Medicaid so they have to be poor on paper. While you watch all they work for 2
dinnerbell
Disappear bc of one incident that required some out-of-network specialists...the 'you' isn't you, but this scenario happens to people. Sad.
usernameczecksout
Idk maybe a country looking to avoid bankruptcy? "The problem w Socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money." M.Thatcher
ChristopherHerd
Aye because thatcher done the country a great turn! How much of the debt has the tory governmemt cut again?
LiquidPoo
The same kind the rest of the world come crying to when they need help.
yzark01
is that before or after you leave the countries you 'help' worse off than before you invaded?
LiquidPoo
I know. Look at how we left Germany. Or Japan. Or South Korea. Or all the infrastructure and schools we brought to Afghanistan.
shittingpisspissingshit
Maybe it's good that you don't have heathcare. The world needs less of you people.
LiquidPoo
Why? Because I don't want America to be the world police? Get Europe to pay for it's own defense and Americans can have HC with the savings.
Falkenkueken
fucking assure yourself
InazumaSet
U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! /s
ohchewieyou
AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!!
MadDrDrillBit
or food, housing, cars, cell phones, internet. Everyone else should pay for my cradle and my grave. so to will thay dictate your existence.
tanebou
Dude, you're a fucking moron.
fedillan
How american of you.
MadDrDrillBit
have you spoken to any Venezuelans recently?
blackwidowsideboob
Man it comes off your taxes like 50 million other things. Like the cars that diplomats drive in. Or senators salaries. Or the prison system
blackwidowsideboob
Plus when you go to the hospital you also don't pay, and it saves lives. As a Canadian it's not like I'm sitting at home saying I really mis
blackwidowsideboob
That three bucks that came off my paycheck to save a little girl. But then again I'm a decent fucking person who thinks all life has value
mineovermatter
3 bucks? I already pay in excess if 30% in income taxes alone, nevermind all the other taxes (sales, use, etc)
Freeflare
I'm continually disgusted by people with no knowledge or respect for the costs or people who provide healthcare while demanding it.
omgwtfhuh
No one is asking for care or research to be free - just a better system so we don't feel our money is wasted while we still don't get care.
SmellingThePsychosphere
Heh. Let's get a better system with less wasted money --- let the government handle it!
UmbertoBench
Let the government handle it in a similar way to how governments in every other developed country handle it.
Imightbetrolling
Because insurance companies are only in it for profit.
dinnerbell
Wasted money yes. I have to pay old bills for a deductible on an insurance I don't have anymore. Dr is charging me at full 'insurance' cost
dinnerbell
2. $150 For a 10 minute f/u appt. I will work out a pmnt plan at $5 a month. We all suffer this system. Drs sometimes never get paid for 2/3
dinnerbell
Svc given. They suffer, but it's the tax break that saves us all. The tax breaks...US has a weird, if you didn't know it existed then 3/4