SoupForMyFamily
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Stop using #BigGovernment as a boogeyman and start demanding more effective government.
Stop being scared of tHe LeFtiStS and start recognizing that they are, at least, trying to offer solutions based in the reality we *actually live in*.
Stop letting yourself be led around the nose by shady fucks and monied interests and start recognizing the very real disenfranchisement and suppression going on around you.
Stop abdicating your responsibility as a citizen of a democracy and start getting engaged in defending it.
If you are on the fence because bOtH sIdEs aRe bAd then FUCKING STOP IT. Either you have been misled or misinformed, or you haven’t been honest with yourself about your values and motivations.
Vote now. The country needs you, the planet needs you, democracy here and abroad needs you. We need you and time is almost out.
IWillVote.com
Pixel8yt
Both sides were bad....and I always supported that view...and now one sides trying to passively kill me sooo. Fuck that side
NeatLittlePiecesofHistory
But the people who actually need to hear this won't.
bbueller
It's my money. Give Me It.
EatAllTheBoudin
Yes
vietnameseCowboy
United States Healthcare system is a scam
swatz
Just watched him in Heavyweights, with my son.
sventacklebox
Both sides are shit, but more people need to be educated on what's actually happening and make informed decisions not popular ones
Psychosdonotexplodewhensunlighthitthem
Simple but well said, thank you!
Butane9000
Those two beliefs aren't mutually exclusive. You can believe that government welfare programs create dependence. While simultaneously
Butane9000
wanting the taxes you paid in a system promised to be paid back upon retirement to be paid out to you.
graehall
The argument of "big government bad, I want small government" is kinda dead in the US now, as there's just shit government.
WoodyGoodman
graehall
Mellayellafella1441
MercerSkye
Bull feathers. When I get all rich and powerful, people like me better watch out - Some Fascist Dbag
itsthevoiceman
Philip J Fry - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqOwBX5xD8o
archaGifJumper
Long live the tentacle
LoudBirb
Or, if you cannot abide by the basic responsibilities of a functioning society, walk into the woods and die mad about it.
Munchman347
Dems, the party of big business and the people who work for them. Reps, the party of big business and the people who own them...
Linnabelle
If you aren't happy with the presidential candidates, you should be participating more in your local, smaller elections that give newer 1/2
Linnabelle
politicians a leg up in the hierarchy.
SoupForMyFamily
Fair point. On the flip side of the same coin: third parties that want their candidates seriously considered for President need to be able
SoupForMyFamily
to point to successes in state and local governance when they make their case. They need to build their coalition not just every four years.
Linnabelle
I agree. We should also use a ranked-voting system instead of our current all-or-nothing.
angelahmarie
& STOP being happy Trump paused your Medicare tax! He's going make it permanent if re-elected which means your future health is fucked, too!
ThePriceIsRightForBobBarker
Unpopular Opinion: I'm ok with social security going away...not like there's even going to be any money left by the time I'm able to take it
resetner
So you want people to starve when they are too old to work?
ThePriceIsRightForBobBarker
I want people to make wise choices when it comes to planning for their future.
resetner
That's no practical for a lot of people. You get sick, your savings are wiped out. Get unlucky, bam. Done. If it happens when you're 50?
Vorrilian
They are both awful choices and the party system is a shit show by itself, how about we just cut the shit with red vs blue and get it (1/2)
Vorrilian
through our thick ass skulls that we are all human and this shit is stupid and pointless. (2/2)
Masonrig
As one of those 'Both sides are bad' people, I'll simply say this: this year, I'll vote for the side not encouraging a fucking civil war. >
Masonrig
That said, when I don't feel like my fucking liberties are at risk? I'll go right back to it, because while Biden might be the lesser of >
Masonrig
two evils, he still upholds great wrongs and evil done against freedom. But, he will drive the country towards unity at least, so there is >
Masonrig
a country at the end of the day to actually want to protect the liberties of. Now, all of that said, your implication is still a false >
Masonrig
dichotomy. There are more then 2 sides most of the time, more then 2 possibilities, or at least there fucking should be, and it's that >
Masonrig
sort of thinking that got Trump elected in the first place. He was a fucking PROTEST vote for a bunch of people who should have known better
1Plebian
And Social Security is so well managed! It's been invested and growing in value just like they told us it would!
resetner
Actually it has.
SausageCowboy
The irony when Ayn Rand was on social security, and that is literally the argument that her apologists make whenever it's brought up.
Pheehelm
Actually they'll claim she was getting back some of what was rightfully hers but taken away by force.
SausageCowboy
Objectivist ideology holds that engaging in socialism is engaging is socialism, and that any further nuance is moral-centric distraction.
Mjl10001101
Honestly, if the left wing politicians weren't hell bent on destroying the second amendment, I'd be on board with most of their ideas.
SoupForMyFamily
popejubal
The Democrats aren’t perfect and the Republicans have had good ideas sometimes but the last 20 years of R pols have been a dumpster fire
CoarseAndSalty
Most of what I find objectionable in the Democratic Party is rooted by a low bar for government set by Conservative politics.
FlatPlutoSociety
The GOP has been irredeemable shit since the 60s. The problem is the Dems have been ineffectual spineless civility fetishists since the 80s.
Edowyth
Just because one doesn't agree with Dems doesn't make them a dumpster of a person.
popejubal
Disagreeing with Dems doesn't make someone a dumpster fire. But the Republican Representatives and Senators and Presidents have been SHIT.
ItessaractI
I get really pissed at "peacekeeper" posts. Stop acting like politics are a high school debate. You're dealing with real morals and ethics.
SoupForMyFamily
ItessaractI
Responding to "If you are on the fence because bOtH sIdEs aRe bAd then FUCKING STOP IT." Thanks for making me feel bad about it.
SoupForMyFamily
230k dead. Deteriorating climate. Weakened institutions and damaged standing. Literal existential threats but yeah, sorry bout your feelings
ItessaractI
and ps - as a send off- people not being allowed to feel bad because other bad stuff is happening is a stupid concept.
SoupForMyFamily
oh no I’ve been muted lol
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ItessaractI
Oh my god, you dumbass. I was agreeing with you. I'm done with this idiotic conversation now. Muted, and goodbye.
nommon
I just don’t get the idea that you need to “earn” everything. Like, wouldn’t it actually be amazing for workers if they weren’t so 1/
nommon
2/ dependent on employers for their literal survival? Imagine how much more competitive companies would have to be if their employees worked
nommon
3/ because they WANTED to, because they were seeking to improve their life, rather than out of a desperate fear of not being able to eat.
SoupForMyFamily
bUt wE hAvE a rEsPoNsIbILiTy tO tHe sHaReHoLdErS
stehenallein
You don't get the idea you should have to earn your own meal? Who then should provide it?
resetner
There really are other ways to structure society.
nommon
2/ over scraps. We work together for the greater good. There is no excuse for anyone in a country as wealthy as the US to be unable to
nommon
3/ afford food and shelter. There is no excuse for anyone to have to forgo medical care because of their employment status.
nommon
No, I don’t. The entire point of living in a civilized society is that we take care of each other. We aren’t animals in the wild fighting 1/
stehenallein
And in a free and prosperous society we out to be able to take of ourselves without relying on someone else to work for the food on table.
nommon
4/ We have the resources. We have so much excess that there are people with thirty mansions while others have no home. That is inexcusable.
nommon
3/ be enough for those things. Furthermore, those who cannot work should be taken care of, because that’s what you do in a modern society.
stehenallein
I agree with all of that, but would argue in a modern society that is free and prosperous you do not have large portions of the population
nommon
People WANT to work. They, largely, DO work. And anyone who works — no matter what they do — should have food, shelter, and healthcare. 1/
stehenallein
No one should go hungry. But anyone capable of working a job should, and those jobs should pay a wage that provides a dignified standard
stehenallein
of living. But the idea no one should have to work for food and shelter, and that "society" will just magically produce it is a fantasy.
nommon
2/ It should not, as it currently is, be based on where you work or how “good” your job is. The bare minimum, lowest-paying job should still
Klnwltrnk
Always heard, "Government that is big enough to give you everything can also take everything away." (1/2)
Klnwltrnk
Well, we already have life in prison and the death penalty, so clearly they are already big enough to take everything away. (2/2)
itsthevoiceman
US doesn't do the death penalty. Only various states do. And life in prison is necessary for some crimes, while some shouldn't, but do.
Captaintippie
The people I know who are against it are the ones not benefiting or using the programs-like feeding children. Or drug treatment programs.
Captaintippie
If they dont directly benefit them, why should they care *rollseyes*. I hate that incredibly selfish attitude
SoupForMyFamily
Captaintippie
I've exhausted myself trying :/
trippingthelightfantastic
Zokalwe
Germany 1941? Try telling that to Republicans, maybe they can emulate this part too?
Chimichanga007
findtheotters
Costa Rica 1941
redTesting123
We in England are selling out our NHS to the private sector, not because we want to but because idiots keep voting in conservatives
BeardedAssassin
Come on. You know and I know that the moment we have to pay for healthcare in the UK there'd be riots. Not even the Tories are that stupid
Starhaven350
I dont begrudge anyone using my taxes for their healthcare. Because one day ill be using someone elses when i need it.
ChiLLeCheeze
Helps in a pandemic too. Person feels sick and goes to the hospital vs person feels sick but keeps working cause no money.
trippingthelightfantastic
You are correct.
HaveGinWillBabble
That is easy to understand.
DoIEvenLyftBro
That's how insurance works too, just way more expensive because multiple middlemen and profit margins steps.
Starhaven350
I honestly have no idea how that even works. ive never had private insurance since im Australian.
mthornton91
It’s really simple. Most people are insured, but it costs a fortune bc they’re paying for the costs of a company that exists to try to 1/
mthornton91
avoid paying for the expenses of those they insure. They use your money trying to get out of providing the security you’re paying for 2/2.
scarecrow42
Unfortunately there are countries that are slowly undermining universal healthcare. LNP in Aus are always trying to gut Medicare
AdultPersistentAngst
Nice one, Soup. That first line in the description is a BANGER.
SoupForMyFamily
your mom’s a banger lol
AdultPersistentAngst
Damn right. The best this side of the Mississi.... HEY WAIT A MINUTE!
hungrydutchman
I’m a conservative and would love to have universal healthcare, but not before big pharma gets kicked in the balls, otherwise it won’t work
therealpyroman
not a conservative, but I think it's something that falls squarely on the individual states, not the federal gov.
mylastusernamewasmylastname
Big phama gets billions of our tax dollars, they'll get a kick in the balls and like it.
Anfalicious
Most countries buy pharmaceuticals at a national level, so can basically say to pharma “we pay this for insulin in this country”.
ctriis87
A government backed single payer system would have all the bargaining power to force reasonable prices regardless of what big pharma wants.
Dionysus187
They only get paid more because we allow it. We only bend to them because of lobbying not because they have genuine leverage
captaincyoomin
Let conservatives and liberals join hands as we kick big pharma in the balls!
hungrydutchman
This guy fucking gets it. Instead of finding reasons to poke the bear across the aisle, let us collectively take back our tax dollars
bekkayya
Kicked in the balls by WHOM? Break up an international company?? Vote with our wallet? You dumb fuck you have no idea what policies you
bekkayya
advocate for. The ONLY way to bring prices down is to negotiate with a single, unified, strong voice. A single payer healthcare system.
bekkayya
but news flash: believing in progressive ideals while not being willing to put economic weight behind them isnt belief in those at all.
bekkayya
and wanting change after and ONLY AFTER the system has been fixed, while refusing to fix the system, isnt wanting change.
kvandeQueen
I agree. Big Pharma needs their wings severely clipped
Howdoilife
This country makes me want to be so violent dude. SO many people in government and corporations I'd like to see dead.
ReverseSyzygy
feel the insurance industry would be the bigger barrier
CoarseAndSalty
It's never going to happen if we don't start kicking. No country with national health got it without a fight. We need to stop cowering.
resetner
So you are in favor of greatly increased government regulation of the pharmaceutical industry. Let's do it.
Spookyghostnipples
...but that's how you kick them in the balls. They are forced to negotiate with 330mil Americans all at once, not 1 American 330mil times
VaultGirl69
When it's gov't run, the ability to keep costs down depend also on our voting in mid term elections. Mitch has taken so much Pharma $$$.
judaserebus
Biggest part of medicare: WE negotiate with the drug companies and the proces of procedures are much lower.
TheMysteriousBanana
I'm also a conservative but lately feel like ol Ronnie said about being a Democrat (I didn't leave the party, the party left me). I think
TheMysteriousBanana
You are right about big pharma, but who has a plan to do anything? GOP is cares more about trying to stay in power to actually do anything
hungrydutchman
Yep, both parties do. It will take two or three generations to create the change and see it through
ReaperCDN
Then how? What's the middle step between private run to getting to universal.
iseelittlepeople
This.
PirateRubberDuck
That is the wrong way round. Until you have a single payer system nothing will change. You are not big enough to stop them
PirateRubberDuck
When the government is the one paying out for medical bills they will sort out the problem
bbueller
What if I told you that Universal Healthcare would ITSELF kick big pharma in the balls (since the gov't is the best negotiator)
xSquireRamza9
Fuck you. Universal Healthcare WOULD be a kick in the balls to pharma companies, because one large buyer has so much more power than
girrocks001
This. I work in healthcare and Medicare definitely has the upper hand in negotiating reimbursement rates. They pay WAY less than commercial.
thejeff80
Fuck YOU! (I don’t disagree with you. I just want to start replies the same way you do.)
hungrydutchman
Damn dude I love the fucking passion!
xSquireRamza9
300 million tiny ones
Sentay
Government should just start manufacturing meds and distributing at rock bottom rates take the floor out from under them.
RealRaceRiotsAreAboutGettingBlueshelledInMarioKart
That's literally what happened with Gilead. Then Gilead said 'fuck you, pay me more' and stopped producing altogether.
RealRaceRiotsAreAboutGettingBlueshelledInMarioKart
The fed funded COVID treatment research on grounds it would be made available at-cost for several years. Gilead charged $3000 per treatment.
ReaperCDN
K. Bye Gilead. Next competitor.
RealRaceRiotsAreAboutGettingBlueshelledInMarioKart
Except Gilead won't release the research and they'd have to fund it all over again. Tax money being wasted.
Despereauxtilling
Aren't there some level of anti-monopoly laws? Their IP should be licensable, and if it isn't, the law shouldn't protect them.
vietnameseCowboy
New Zealand takes the lowest bidder for meds.
DirtyMikeWithTheBoys
Ah, the same way I choose women of the night
mmartin762
Ah yes, the military approach
GrandProtectorDark
The lowest bidder who can meet the specs
Theotokoss
In the U.S. that would create a whole new barrel of monkeys
Savolion
Why?
Theotokoss
They wouldn't make medicine, they'd make snake oil, & worse- they'd get away w/ it long enough to kill too many for justice to matter
AliasPR
Maximum profits with minimum investment, it's not seen as a premium, so ingredient standards become lax, unless there's a failsafe
jeff505
It works for far less rich nations across the world, get over yourself.
hungrydutchman
Lol what?