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DarkMagic1516
Grey Jedi for life!
NyQuilDaydream
The MMO didn't hold a candle to the original games but it did make being a sith extremely satisfying! Playing made me feel so powerful.
UsuallyColton
This may be the greatest meme ever and I loved every second of it. Thank you.
Rivet95
If Revan wasn't captured, he'd probably be a pretty good dictator.
SlingingInk
God bless Revan and Theron Shan
MrShakyShaky
Now if someone could make one for war. 1%?
carrotsonfire
Except The Council were ultimately right. Pretty much every Jedi that fought in the war became Sith.
Chaeden
The council also could have done things to stop that or help it if they hadn't sat on their ass. And some didn't turn....they broke.
TheFragnatic
Rhahael
This is not why Revan turned, everything else is accurate like clockwork.
BluePaladin42
Kotor was one of the few times being the "good guys" made me feel kinda dirty, simply because the Jedi were such sanctimonious asshats.
DonaldFuck
Especially in Kotor II
tazedconfused
THEREDHO0D
Jedi and sith are both bad guys
Bacxaber
Jedi moreso. They're child abducting cultists. Sith are more individualistic and are thus harder to judge as a whole.
fizzlebuns
Which is why Luke wanted the Jedi destroyed and gone in TLJ.
RolandTheLastGunSlinger
As an expanded universe fan, this was fantastic.
Bolderox
Revan didn't fall to the dark side, he chose the dark side.
carrotsonfire
No he didn't. The Sith Emperor dominated his mind and made him a dark side user.
asianmilkspray
Because the light side was incompetent.
malachitedragon
If I must be evil to do the right thing, then let me be evil.
GrimdogX
Revan didn't start out by choosing the Dark Side, it was a slow change and he always had some degree of light pulling him back
HoldMyGlutenfreebeer
I'm not giving star wars another cent until we get a rated R old republic trilogy.
Brewbase
Found KOTOR for android and am now on my 3rd straight playthrough.
burg14
It surprised me with how well it played on android. I played through a few times too. It takes me back to playing on my Xbox as a young-in
stopdropandrollout
Wait what? How?
Brewbase
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aspyr.swkotor
bradyseanpatrick
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cadburyegg
I just replayed KOTOR II as I had the itch. Forgot how horrible the ending was. Gotta go replay the first one...
omg123hibob
If you play with The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod it fleshes out the game and ending greatly.
kanuckles
Currently reading sw:or: revan. Really enjoying it so far.
blueshickensrule
It is really good!
qtRaven
Pity they tied the ending into the bullshit shory from the MMO.
SairikV
Is it book? Fanfiction? Or just lore? Care to share a link goid sire?
QuickINeedAName
All the good stuff is considered fanfic at this point : D
Zreen
It's by Drew Karpyshyn, lead writer of the original Mass Effect trilogy and TOR
flavivsaetivs
It's EU canon. Mediocre at best, was rushed and half the book isn't about Revan, and it totally screws over the Exile from KOTOR 2
motavia99
Agreed. It was written to hype the crap mmo. The book itself completely shits all over everything KOTOR 1 and 2 set up, ESPECIALLY the Exile
flavivsaetivs
The MMO isn't crap. But yeah the story they developed for Revan was a flop.
BigThorbowski
Unfortunately it's not considered canon any more but still a really good read.
kanuckles
Its a book https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Old_Republic:_Revan
Deanscream
Rahava
Its a book! I dont have a link but just search "swtor revan book" and I'm sure you'll find it. Highly reccomend all the swtor books
SairikV
Thank you.
OddErwin
Great audiobook on YouTube
Jhacon
Yeah... that dumpster fire can eat all the dick. But hey it and anthem just proved how much of a hack karpshyn was.
ipokeangrycats
This is perfect
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BobHubert
Perfection is an inhuman quality, but that’s pretty good
RandomMemmer
3Davideo
When Neutral Good meets Lawful Neutral.
UhLeon
Cool story, but damn that was hard to follow. Text all over the place.
AvgWhiteShark
Would there happen to be any books out there? I haven't read any Star Wars in a while and would appreciate a jumping on point suggestion(s).
HeroscaperGuy
Heir to the Empire is the first one I recommend. Then there's the Rogue Squadron books and Darth Bane trilogy.
Lexgeddon
Darth Bane was a surprisingly good series. Lost Tribe of the Sith is pretty great, too, if one doesn't mind an incomplete series.
drunkpanther
Omg what is this. I played through both KotOR and never knew all this. Is this from like a book? Or was I too young to get it?
Rahava
Yeah they pretty much went out and said it. Its brought up alot more in kotor 2 though.
rockrnger
It’s mostly in the mandalorian guys companion story. Raven finds a ship factory and fucks everyone up.
DisgruntledFerret
You don't get it in one solid chunk, but yes. Folks tell you about Revan saving the Republic from the Mandalorians and getting carried away.
FullHeart
It's not explained easily. Revan was a Jedi. Billions of innocents were being killed by Mandolorian invaders. Revan proposed the Jedi 1)
FullHeart
Put together a force to defend the planets. The council rejected his plan. He felt wrong about that and decided to go fight anyways 2)
FullHeart
Revan was very charismatic and lots of Jedi abandoned the council to go fight with him against the Mandolorians. Revan as a general was 3)
FullHeart
Incredibly successful. However, it was during this time on the front that Revan first came across what would lead him to the Star Forge 4)
FullHeart
And the dark side in earnest. He had left the Jedi order to do the right thing and felt like their order was limiting doing the right thing.
kaitco1984
Welp. I guess it’s time for a KotOR replay. Oh darn...
dunkledan
What Is KotOR I've never heard of it
ireplysometimes
Knights of the Old Republic. A starwars game that plays like a D&D campaign. It's great. The android/ios ports are solid ways to play it too
TheAmusedBouche
Knights of the Old Republic. A fantastic couple of games that are easily the most popular star wars spin offs.
blueshickensrule
Knights of the Old Republic, it is an older BioWare game about Revan. Excellent storytelling
blueshickensrule
Also there are a lot of good community mods to enhance in game experience
NotSoSmartAlek
The engine formed the basis of the first Mass Effect game, and I'm sure the writers cut their teeth there too.
rockfireman
I've been trying to replay KOTOR 2 but the game keeps crashing on me :(
Roqinn
I have never played it. I need to get it.
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
You can get it on your phone now.
JCBaggins
I’m currently going through my first time playing it. Staying on the light side is hard!
AAAend
It helps that a LS Guardian is OP as hell, tho.
NyQuilDaydream
Yeah the second game makes it even harder!
AAAend
I think that's the only game where I find being evil (Or in Kotor 2's case, "evil") is the most correct.
ninjaa
Just let the hate flow through you. It'll all be fine.
SoraHjort
I'm cursed... I'd play it, get to the point where you get off planet. i stop playing due to stuff coming up. Then I finally remember months>
SoraHjort
, sometimes years later. And because it's been so long I have to restart from the start again..... and it repeats...
ThePrimeMagus
Can you get it to run on a modern machine?? With or without qol visual mods it crashes all the time on the Endar Spire for me.
NotSoSmartAlek
you can. might need to tweak hardware or installed programs, some might be causing incompatibilities, but in general it should work.
shawnthor
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aspyr.swkotor Android count as a modern machine?
crazyspelling
You the teal mvp
crazyspelling
*real
sclark1138
300 years later he takes over a station that flings meteors at planets.
Legomaniac91
That was a different Flashpoint. The Foundry made droids programmed to kill anyone with Sith ancestry.
flavivsaetivs
No that's the Hammer Station, the Foundry was another one of the four star forges established in the short-lived Dawn of the Jedi comic.
PineappleEmailer
There were 4?
flavivsaetivs
Yep. Star Forge, Foundry, one that terraformed planets, and one other.
PineappleEmailer
I need to dig into the lore a bit more
DurendaI
Is TOR really canon?
BoozeHound001
Even before disney TOR wasn't "canon" they had a side universe to do what they wanted with the lore.
GrimdogX
Soft Canon originally, it depended on the individual but now that Disney blew up the old lore none of it is canon.
flavivsaetivs
It's EU canon like KOTOR.
SchrodingersDictator
No no, has meteor cannons, not “is” cannon.
Asikar
As far as I know TOR the MMO is not canon, but KOTOR is canon.
macrogeek
When Disney took over it was only the 6 movies and Clone Wars that were canon. Tv specials, books, games were removed.
flavivsaetivs
Neither are.
DonaldFuck
That's my canon regarding Revan. SWTOR changed him so much.
ninjaa
A big issue is that, for TOR, the "canon" they used when looking at the previous games, was all of the light side choices.
qtRaven
Except when he married Bastila Shan and told the council to jump if they felt froggy about it.
Nichols3
That's not right, actually. Everything not made as films/tv was declared not cannon, comics, videogames and books are all invalid
KingAardvark1st
And I politely reject that reality. Because the Disney trilogy isn't canon to me. There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
BoggledMind
Fallen order and battlefront is canon. Basically anything after disney is canon
Blackrain39
So the christmas special is canon?
Nichols3
I think so. So is Ewoks.
GozerTheGozerian
It in fact is.
Asikar
Yeah, I just looked it up. It looks like the games aren't canon, but from the looks of things Darth Revan is canon again.
Asikar
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-01-06-star-wars-rise-of-the-skywalker-makes-the-old-republics-revan-canon
ThePastmaster
Thrawn is as well. Or a pale parody of his greatness is anyway.
Nichols3
At least the name is. To be honest I'd rather they let the stories that got told stay in the past and find a new time to explore.
SpammaJamma
After TLJ, this was the route I wish Star Wars took. I hated that movie, but I feel like this kind of story could have made it better.
sortofkindamadbutnotreally
Ive always thought the problem with the sequel trilogy is the same as the hobbit. Disney just blundered through with no plan whatsoever.
sortofkindamadbutnotreally
Also they took a gigantic shit on all the established canon for not much reason
asianmilkspray
Disney needed the main SW movies to appeal to kids, so they need to be able to paint a clear picture of good vs evil. I do wish they explore
asianmilkspray
the notion of complex characters in newer medium.
MishiMoshiSquishyToesies
I feel like half-assing a redemption arc is worse though. Kids understand that Kylo turned "good", but then he did nothing and died? Wtf.
Lexgeddon
I mean, you know, besides bringing Rey back to life. He did that pretty definitely.
MishiMoshiSquishyToesies
Yeah, but he didn't get to kill his abuser, and he essentially sacrificed himself for Rey, and she didn't even seem sad and never mentioned
MishiMoshiSquishyToesies
him again. That seems really cruel and fucked up to me considering Kylo/Ben's backstory.
Lexgeddon
As for killing his abuser, I think Palpatine's influence over him was tenuous at best, and that wasn't his dragon to slay. That said, they1
Lexgeddon
I'm not sure how sad she needed to look. The look on her face as he died in front of her pretty-much did the job, I think.
MishiMoshiSquishyToesies
I wanted so badly for TROS to be about Ben and Rey finally bringing balance to the Force by becoming gray Jedis. Instead TROS was just a
MishiMoshiSquishyToesies
Jedi and Skywalker hero worship fest without acknowledging that the Jedi way has brought the Skywalkers nothing but grief and misery and the
MishiMoshiSquishyToesies
absolute waste of the dyad bond, in favor of the "benevolence" of the Jedi spirits (who were just fucking around until this point apparently
MishiMoshiSquishyToesies
If they did it with Revan and Bastila, Idk why Ben and Rey was such a problem. Black&white narratives are boring. (I know it's bc of Disney)
FarkasMacTavish
Also a kiss with no prior development, don't forget that!
CrimsonReaper1985
Jedi seem to have a very absolute view on force users, either you’re one of them and good or you’re a dark sider.
aliitcadera
Depends on which Jedi you're talking about. Luke, Jacen and Kyle were super chill.
GrimdogX
Well no, they did differentiate between Dark Jedi and Sith.
Sharangir
Dark Jedi aren't "Jedi", Darkside users aren't allowed in the Order. Dark Jedi = all darkside users who are not part of sith tradition.
GrimdogX
From the actual view of the Jedi maybe but from the view of many followers of Revan they were just Jedi actually doing something
Sharangir
They're members of neither order, it's that simple. That makes Dark jedi a misnomer. Also Order of Revan aren't the only dark "jedi".
faultysage
To be fair, they're kind of right.
Chloesaurus
The Jedi were just religious zealots that followed the "light" side of the Force
BruceBannersButtplug
They were so arrogant. The way they handled the Ahsokha thing in the Clone Wars showed that very well too.
12Badgers2MushroomsAndASnake
I just rewatched that arc and made myself sad all over again.
DisgruntledFerret
When the dark side is addictive, as it is, it's a fair point. It's POSSIBLE that you can do just a little bit of heroin and be fine, but...
NotSoSmartAlek
medical prescription, as it were
Eiladar
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." - Obi-wan Kenobi, Jedi master, absolutely.
BanesOnAPlane
Its as if he has some sort of moral high ground on the issue of Jedi vs Sith
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
He hadn't murdered any kids recently so he has that slight edge.
TommyCreo
The irony of that line is palpable.
Dekkonot
He's not making an absolute deal in the way Anakin was. Trying to equate the Sith and the Jedi is not the way.
Evanidus
Palpatinable
HappyRussia
And that's why he won.
TheAngryMarineBiologist
They're a cult that runs on kidnapping and psychologically abusing children en masse, they really don't hold the moral high ground.
CrimsonReaper1985
Never thought of it like that until now. See this is why I like WH40K cause there’s no good guys, just slightly less shitty people.
TheAngryMarineBiologist
Exactly, I tend to like fantasy universes with no real good guys who are at very best morally grey, but it bugs me when the series tries 1/?
TheAngryMarineBiologist
To present itself as a simple good/evil storyline or is perceived as such. WH40k is a perfect antithesis of this and as such is amazing 2/2
Domehammer
Well it made more sense in the EU but you can do a lot of horrific things with dark side. Literally bend laws of nature with Sith Alchemy.
maninthedarkness
Doesn't make them more powerful, just quicker to it and more reckless. Consider what the Ancient Jedi did on Lothal with that gateway.
firefightingblackguy
I don’t know this story. I’m very intrigued
maninthedarkness
It's got its own plotline while also coyly giving peeks to others. Such as you meet a younger Saw Gerrera(after he first rescues Jyn). >
maninthedarkness
> Some characters from Clone Wars also make an appearance, as well. It's very tight and good story-telling.
12Badgers2MushroomsAndASnake
It's from the animated series Star Wars: Rebels. Series covers the rise of the rebellion, pre-Ep. 3. Would highly recommend watching it.
Chloesaurus
It was pre Episode 4. Rebels took place in the time of the Galactic Empire when Leia was a Senator. But yes. I also highly recommend it!
firefightingblackguy
That could just be the intriganol i took this morning though.
onlysmaller
You can take a little bit of intriganol and be fine though
GenerallyKenobi
That's part of the reason the Jedi order needed to be destroyed. They were blinded by the light and did not live in balance.
itsimpossibletofindausernamethatisnttaken
TheAccursedHamster
Ridiculously arrogant and unable to see some of their policies were directly contributing to members falling.
Domehammer
Jedi were blinded by dark side because they built temple on top of a place powerful in the dark side. Making themselves vulnerable.
FarkasMacTavish
Uhh, what? No, they were blinded by trying to be too stringent and orderly, and to limit the ability to process emotions in their ranks.
IOwnTheSpire
Balance doesn't mean equal numbers of light and dark.
maninthedarkness
Even Kanan in Rebels saw that flaw.
Magnum3point141592654
Also revved up like a deuce, another runner in the night.
Daeyelle
Wrapped up* you’ll never ever convince me otherwise.
Magnum3point141592654
LOL!
Phobetor42
Say what you will about luke in the sequels but he did make some excellent points about the arrogance, egocentricity,and failure of the jedi
AndThenThereWereSquirrels
Yes, in the most ham-handed and artificial way possible, with no character arc or development to justify his change of heart
SteelDragonKiryu
Didn't he more or less state as much when telling the story of how he nearly killed Ben? He admitted that he saw the potential for...
SteelDragonKiryu
evil in him early on, but his arrogance led him to believe he could guide him away from it, then in a moment of prescience realized the...
oopsIdroppedmypocketpasta
Orig trig: Luke's story. prequels: Luke learning the story of Anakin. Sequels: the exact same mistakes that created Vader, plus consequences
Navrodel
"I tried, fucked up, ran away, focused on it for a few years while reading some ancient texts and realized everyone is full of shit, >
Navrodel
> myself included." I figured it was a pretty complete explanation honestly. They'd have to devote an entire movie to his fall to do better.
CrimsonReaper1985
They need to be like Qui Gon Jin. Dude was what a Jedi needs to be.
FarkasMacTavish
Sucks that the other guy was only reading to respond to you.
faultysage
But the guy I WAS arguing with wasn't even making any salient points. People just like Qui Gon because he's cool.
faultysage
So I guess at least I paid that much attention.
faultysage
Wasn't even the same guy.
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n3bulon
He was a dirty neutral Jedi and I loved him for it!
Daidra420
Qui Gon was not wrong in that hard of a sense. While he was possibly wrong in assuming that Anakin was The Chosen One. His interpretation1/2
faultysage
The jedi rules exist for a reason. They exist to reign in the power of the force. Power is a corrupting force in any form.
Daidra420
2/2 of the force was not. He held a moderate stance of the Force. This is one of the reasons that he was not allowed on the Council. He 2/3
DonaldFuck
But doing so, he helped fulfil the prophecy.
faultysage
"Two Sith, two jedi, seems pretty fucking balanced to me."