I admire people for making the effort to talk to these people and exposing their stupidity and hate. If I ever met one, I think I’d need to turn around and walk far away from their nonsense.
I just liked the parting shot about "When your daughters are being raped" given that I obviously know a lot more about Owen Jones than the belligerant fuck-knuckle who's being interviewed.
Protip, he's a gay columnist for the Guardian and has written a couple of excellent books examining the collapse of UK society.
Or he forgot the source. I mostly don't remember where I hear things. If he's talking about *all* muslim women (he doesn't say muslim women in britain like the interviewer claims), that sounds like it could quite possibly be accurate. Even if it has practically no relevance to immigration. He might even be right about those IQ results. But you can watch Shaun's video on The Bell Curve to learn more about why IQ tests suck, and especially why studies of IQ in Africa are specifically suspect.
Good on the kid - the onus IS on the old guy. You get taught that in science class - if you make a claim, you have to provide proof. Period, full stop. "I know it's a fact." What a doofus.
That twat has been voting for shit MPs for a fucks site longer than the guy with the mic. If the countries going to shit, look in the mirror for who to blame you racist cunt womble.
Second biggest population that speaks English is in India. First in US. Both fought British out. Science advanced a lot in early years of Islam, see Avicenna and Khorezmi
they cut out the part where they were referring to muslim women living in the UK...so the point of people living in a foreign country not caring to learn the language and properly integrate does exist, but obviously that 85% claim is purely made up, as shown at the end of the video...
As a Finn, just today I spoke to a muslim who had bothered to learn fucking Finnish. Made the conversation a whole lot easier. She probably speaks English too just so the racist fuck on OP's video can exist without learning anything. Laiska paska ei voi muuta sanoa.
This is what the internet and news has turned humanity into. They feed us non stop 24/7 bullshit. So now people believe they know what's going on when in reality they dont know anything.
The only time I've ever experienced a Muslim saying anything radical was about 15 years ago at work. He was a young guy. Probably early 20's. I can't remember what he was saying, but about 4 or 5 of the older Muslim guys who heard him sat him down at a table and spoke quietly to him for about an hour. After that, he pulled his head in.
Oh! That's right! He was saying that women must wear a burka. He tried to quote the Quaran to the older guys. It turned out that they knew it better than him...
You mean *He sucks the sweat off of dead donkey balls*.......There, I fixed it. Also, there is not a woman on the planet that would honestly talk to this man thing, except for screaming, *get away from me* by every woman he tries to approach. His shirt is a cry for friendship. Well, I suppose he is looking within his own *class*
the funny and horrible thing is that Muslim Women are, in my opinion, the most educated most literate most well-read group in the world UNLESS MEN GET IN THE WAY. ask me if I am super-furious about the Taliban taking literacy away from girls and women
That was my thought that this may well be a true statement about the world population of Muslim women that this idiot plucked out of the air without context and is using to make a point where it's not at all relevant. It's a big ask to expect critical thinking from someone like this
You can always recognize the trump u graduates by their sterling grasp of logic; in this case, by both demanding proof of a negative and by claiming that a claim does not require evidence to be valid.
And there's no difference, is what I'm saying. Maga trash, european/asian/african rightwing trash - they're all the same. They'll draw lines between themselves, especially the maga trash, but they all push the same, stupid hates and intolerances and bootlicking. Only the names and the flags waved change.
IQ tests were designed by white people to measure white students in the English school system… of course those from other countries will score lower, they were educated differently.
If you measure a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will fail.
akhshually, IQ tests try to not measure education but pure deduction skills, thats why they try to work with shapes and patterns for the most part...but yeah, a few test questions will be word puzzles or something and eg "find the automobile brands in this letter salad" is a task that requires knowing some car brands, so there definitely is a bias against people who lack education or general knowledge...still, not as extreme as you claim...
I think you'll find this video enlightening. It's almost 3 hours long, but it's quite engaging. You can skip to the time stamp on IQ if you like, but the whole thing is good.
Russell's teapot: the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making empirically unfalsifiable claims, as opposed to shifting the burden of disproof to others.
Love Russel's Teapot, but it doesn't apply here since the claim he's making is falsifiable. The interviewer went on to do that when given the time to look up the census data. But still, the burden of proof was on the one making the claim, regardless. Props to the interviewer for doing the research anyway.
There are actually several that apply to this whole video, but this is directly related to Russell's Teapot. Feel free to steal them from my favorites. I think they are publicly available.
*Chefs kiss* "All Sub-Saharan Africans (awful connotations on that term as well) have low IQ" = anyone with a pigmentation that doesn't scream "my ancestors lived their hole life enveloped in fog" smells the racist miles away and acts stupid to get rid of him
His claim about IQ being 60, is not far off the average of studies: 70. However there is heavy cultural, linguistic and educational bias in how IQ is measured. Removing the most flawed studies it’s closer to 82 about a SD, a similar gap to black Americans in the late 20th century. The within groups variance shows this is almost entirely socioeconomic, and indeed black IQ scores have closed that gap for that reason. The gap disappears when you compare people with access to high quality education
Haha! "Holelife" by Fogged (BCE Blur) Somehow also the title of the autobiographies of both Arnold Palmer and Johnny Sins, and a research article on the social intricacies of gophers
There is some old (like older than me) data to that effect but it turns out the tests were just bullshit.
I don’t think IQ testing is completely useless (it’s part of the diagnostics panel for ADHD, for starters) but people who think it matters in the context of “how society should work” are pretty reliably horrible.
IQ is just a proxy for intelligence that’s heavily biased to a western education. They are measuring education and socioeconomic status as much as intelligence. They are useful in that context , but the obvious racist interpretations of differences are deeply problematic.
Counterpoint : so what? Even if he wasn't a completely full of shit, racist cockwomble, 85% of Muslim women may not live in an English speaking country. I dont know.
I believe he was not talking about worldwide but rather muslims in England. He’s still wrong and a racist PoS, but doubt he has the IQ to think beyond his local neighborhood.
that's funny, because i know the word is CockwoMble, but i think, "oop doing a cockwobble" in a poor British accent any time something's juggling my Downunderverse.
It is actually a well worn trope that when British people are in non-English speaking countries, their first option in making themselves understood is to speak louder.
If you're in another country and find someone who speaks your language, albeit not very well, they're already one up on you. I don't understand why you would want to visit a country you can't speak the language in, or even try.
I think many people travel abroad for quite shallow reasons - to allow them to say 'been there, done that', to experience better weather, to be the sort of drunk/obnoxious cunts that they wouldn't get away with at home - to name just a few. Personally, my first bit of research when travelling to another country is learning how to say 'Thank you' in the local language but I accept that there may be valid reasons for others not to make any effort. But if they're rude about it, then fuck 'em.
Puedo ir al baño, por favor. English is the second hardest language in the world. Unfortunately, and I hate to say it, English will probably be the most recognized language in the world. Most people can speak it, or knows somebody who can. The next would probably be Chinese or maybe mandarin.
PennysWorthOfTea
Hmmm, it is Friday so Mars should be about ready to squirm out of whatever rectum he spends the week fermenting in.
petonious
And they understand more than english. Unlike the twat you were talking to.
arghthisissohard
I admire people for making the effort to talk to these people and exposing their stupidity and hate. If I ever met one, I think I’d need to turn around and walk far away from their nonsense.
OKSasquatch
TsubakiTragic
racist, pure and simple
FoamingToad
I just liked the parting shot about "When your daughters are being raped" given that I obviously know a lot more about Owen Jones than the belligerant fuck-knuckle who's being interviewed.
Protip, he's a gay columnist for the Guardian and has written a couple of excellent books examining the collapse of UK society.
youreathing
"Yeah but your 'sources' are all from the Deep State, innit? Ah fawt so!"
Zixtank
The fact that he can't name his source means he made it up. No need to talk to him anymore.
Username62611
Or he forgot the source. I mostly don't remember where I hear things. If he's talking about *all* muslim women (he doesn't say muslim women in britain like the interviewer claims), that sounds like it could quite possibly be accurate. Even if it has practically no relevance to immigration. He might even be right about those IQ results. But you can watch Shaun's video on The Bell Curve to learn more about why IQ tests suck, and especially why studies of IQ in Africa are specifically suspect.
JediTeacher
Good on the kid - the onus IS on the old guy. You get taught that in science class - if you make a claim, you have to provide proof. Period, full stop. "I know it's a fact." What a doofus.
Evi1Gav
That twat has been voting for shit MPs for a fucks site longer than the guy with the mic. If the countries going to shit, look in the mirror for who to blame you racist cunt womble.
SleepyHollowAppleTree
That stupid racist cunt has never even been in the same room as a Muslim woman.
MagmaCarta
When you're so deep in your perception of the lie that you are afraid of the truth and get angry when it is questioned
ireallydontthinkso
you just need to hammer the truth into their heads. with an actual hammer if necessary
factcheckmate
Second biggest population that speaks English is in India. First in US. Both fought British out. Science advanced a lot in early years of Islam, see Avicenna and Khorezmi
Mahabazu
Hmmm, I don't know but I think he is correc-- Since most Muslim women live in non-English speaking countries.
pr3viso
99.9% of Chinese people don't speak Spanish. 99.9% of US citizens don't speak Finnish. What's the point?
RecurringNightmare
they cut out the part where they were referring to muslim women living in the UK...so the point of people living in a foreign country not caring to learn the language and properly integrate does exist, but obviously that 85% claim is purely made up, as shown at the end of the video...
maqp3
As a Finn, just today I spoke to a muslim who had bothered to learn fucking Finnish. Made the conversation a whole lot easier. She probably speaks English too just so the racist fuck on OP's video can exist without learning anything. Laiska paska ei voi muuta sanoa.
PUNKem733
Maga, and these types of people should be thrown in a giant pit and turned into fertilizer. At least then they would be worth something.
ItsACrazyWorld
This is what the internet and news has turned humanity into. They feed us non stop 24/7 bullshit. So now people believe they know what's going on when in reality they dont know anything.
TankTrain
The only time I've ever experienced a Muslim saying anything radical was about 15 years ago at work. He was a young guy. Probably early 20's. I can't remember what he was saying, but about 4 or 5 of the older Muslim guys who heard him sat him down at a table and spoke quietly to him for about an hour.
After that, he pulled his head in.
Oh! That's right! He was saying that women must wear a burka. He tried to quote the Quaran to the older guys. It turned out that they knew it better than him...
Bojovnik84
Racist cunt. Really need to stop putting then on camera with a mic to spew the hate. They just want attention and their opinions to be heard.
Sebastopol140
I'm sure this guy sucks donkey cocks. I would gladly discuss that with him and I will ask for his proof that he doesn't.
Heelcat70
I'll bet none of those donkeys speak English either.
todaytomorrowwillbeyesterday
You mean *He sucks the sweat off of dead donkey balls*.......There, I fixed it. Also, there is not a woman on the planet that would honestly talk to this man thing, except for screaming, *get away from me* by every woman he tries to approach. His shirt is a cry for friendship. Well, I suppose he is looking within his own *class*
OnyxTurret
It must be true, I saw it in the news somewhere.
Centroid
This man hasn’t spoken to any Muslim women
freakdiablo
I'd believe he's tried to, but most Muslim women can tell what a dickwad he is and just pretend they can't speak English
FractalChainsaw
Big congrats to Muslim women on that. I hope they maintain the trend.
Jandegrote
Doesn't matter Bush made sure they hate ever Muslim because 9/11 = Muslim = brown person so every brown person is a Muslim who did 9/11 to him.
Centroid
I’d say less Bush and more Fox News/right wing media/radio.
xmaneds
i am pretty sure that 85% of muslim women worldwide do not, in fact, speak english BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIVE IN AN ENGLISH-SPEAKING COUNTRY
Camelspotting
Don't be daft.
jakedafish
Right? I was wondering if that’s a thing he saw, then with his racism conflated it with the UK.
xmaneds
the funny and horrible thing is that Muslim Women are, in my opinion, the most educated most literate most well-read group in the world UNLESS MEN GET IN THE WAY. ask me if I am super-furious about the Taliban taking literacy away from girls and women
Toqom
Men are women's biggest obstacle in life
Bregpop
i would believe 85% of muslim women GLOBALLY dont speak english. that seems plausible. but if he is talking about in england, then he's a clown.
LaffertyDanie1
That was my thought that this may well be a true statement about the world population of Muslim women that this idiot plucked out of the air without context and is using to make a point where it's not at all relevant. It's a big ask to expect critical thinking from someone like this
cheeriossuckbecause7
You can always recognize the trump u graduates by their sterling grasp of logic; in this case, by both demanding proof of a negative and by claiming that a claim does not require evidence to be valid.
Bojovnik84
That's not Trumpism, that's just racist right wing bullshit. This isn't even in the US.
cheeriossuckbecause7
You're saying there's a difference between trumpism and rightwing bullshit? Really?
Bojovnik84
No, but I am saying that this guy isn't a MAGA, he's his own level of shit.
cheeriossuckbecause7
And there's no difference, is what I'm saying. Maga trash, european/asian/african rightwing trash - they're all the same. They'll draw lines between themselves, especially the maga trash, but they all push the same, stupid hates and intolerances and bootlicking. Only the names and the flags waved change.
suggestedCleverUsernameGenerator
IQ tests were designed by white people to measure white students in the English school system… of course those from other countries will score lower, they were educated differently.
If you measure a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will fail.
RecurringNightmare
akhshually, IQ tests try to not measure education but pure deduction skills, thats why they try to work with shapes and patterns for the most part...but yeah, a few test questions will be word puzzles or something and eg "find the automobile brands in this letter salad" is a task that requires knowing some car brands, so there definitely is a bias against people who lack education or general knowledge...still, not as extreme as you claim...
Username62611
I think you'll find this video enlightening. It's almost 3 hours long, but it's quite engaging. You can skip to the time stamp on IQ if you like, but the whole thing is good.
https://youtu.be/UBc7qBS1Ujo
rmichelsen480
Wouldn't know a fact if it bit him.
Kyzyl
Russell's teapot: the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making empirically unfalsifiable claims, as opposed to shifting the burden of disproof to others.
You make the claim, you defend it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot
Incognitomodeactivated
usernamethatsnottaken
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haruspex
Love Russel's Teapot, but it doesn't apply here since the claim he's making is falsifiable. The interviewer went on to do that when given the time to look up the census data. But still, the burden of proof was on the one making the claim, regardless. Props to the interviewer for doing the research anyway.
ServerMonkeyKing
I think I have this one somewhere, hold on

There are actually several that apply to this whole video, but this is directly related to Russell's Teapot. Feel free to steal them from my favorites. I think they are publicly available.
Xt3rminat3
I'm 85% sure he can't speak english since he couldn't answer such a simple question.
RufusTheThirteenthApostle
And got really upset by the idea of providing a source, which was probably just a recycled Facebook rant
WorseSpellingChecker
Just because women avoid talking to him by telling him they don't speak english, is how how he came up with this fact.
BeaverOnFire
He said it was a fact! That makes it a fact! Checkmate atheists! /S
Fanner50
Your women will be raped by him…l
BeaverOnFire
I have women? https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1N3RqaXZjOHl4dXd3Y2JrbjN0ZTBqMmpyanIxdW15MTNmOHg1bjV1dSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/Qy2VKY3xlI1QyR6Ix5/200w.webp
DrBourbonTheOriginal
If I were a Muslim woman I would do that exact thing to that cockwobble.
And plus one for such a great comment.
UncleIrohny
*Chefs kiss*
"All Sub-Saharan Africans (awful connotations on that term as well) have low IQ" = anyone with a pigmentation that doesn't scream "my ancestors lived their hole life enveloped in fog" smells the racist miles away and acts stupid to get rid of him
ThinkingInCode
His claim about IQ being 60, is not far off the average of studies: 70. However there is heavy cultural, linguistic and educational bias in how IQ is measured. Removing the most flawed studies it’s closer to 82 about a SD, a similar gap to black Americans in the late 20th century. The within groups variance shows this is almost entirely socioeconomic, and indeed black IQ scores have closed that gap for that reason. The gap disappears when you compare people with access to high quality education
lonosham
*whole (but I accept that his ancestors also likely lived in holes)
UncleIrohny
Haha! "Holelife" by Fogged (BCE Blur)
Somehow also the title of the autobiographies of both Arnold Palmer and Johnny Sins, and a research article on the social intricacies of gophers
lonosham
PumpkinDriver5
There is some old (like older than me) data to that effect but it turns out the tests were just bullshit.
I don’t think IQ testing is completely useless (it’s part of the diagnostics panel for ADHD, for starters) but people who think it matters in the context of “how society should work” are pretty reliably horrible.
ThinkingInCode
IQ is just a proxy for intelligence that’s heavily biased to a western education. They are measuring education and socioeconomic status as much as intelligence. They are useful in that context , but the obvious racist interpretations of differences are deeply problematic.
PumpkinDriver5
Pretty much. There’s been a fair amount of effort to make the tests fairer, but it’s still far from perfect.
backrideup9
Counterpoint : so what? Even if he wasn't a completely full of shit, racist cockwomble, 85% of Muslim women may not live in an English speaking country. I dont know.
alyssajones123
Must be a global figure
British Muslim stat was 22% from BBC 2016
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35342342
As far as iq goes, poverty, access to education, not to mention inherent bias, usually mean disadvantaged people will score low
RaekinTheBored
I believe he was not talking about worldwide but rather muslims in England. He’s still wrong and a racist PoS, but doubt he has the IQ to think beyond his local neighborhood.
Fentex
The IQ 60 he spoke of was his own.
FoamingToad
If his IQ were any lower I'd expect he'd need watering.
2015Camry
I will dedicate my weekend to including the word “cockwobble” in at least five different conversations.
2015Camry
*cockwomble
So sorry.
FoamingToad
A great person admits their mistakes. +1
JohnThatcher
Nono. You should use cockwobble as well. "What a completely unsatisfying cockwobble."
behndy
that's funny, because i know the word is CockwoMble, but i think, "oop doing a cockwobble" in a poor British accent any time something's juggling my Downunderverse.
faultysage
Honestly the statistic is probably true and he just assumes everybody in the world speaks English by default.
DarwinsAgain
It is actually a well worn trope that when British people are in non-English speaking countries, their first option in making themselves understood is to speak louder.
Sticklebrickk
If you're in another country and find someone who speaks your language, albeit not very well, they're already one up on you. I don't understand why you would want to visit a country you can't speak the language in, or even try.
DarwinsAgain
I think many people travel abroad for quite shallow reasons - to allow them to say 'been there, done that', to experience better weather, to be the sort of drunk/obnoxious cunts that they wouldn't get away with at home - to name just a few. Personally, my first bit of research when travelling to another country is learning how to say 'Thank you' in the local language but I accept that there may be valid reasons for others not to make any effort. But if they're rude about it, then fuck 'em.
Sticklebrickk
Puedo ir al baño, por favor. English is the second hardest language in the world. Unfortunately, and I hate to say it, English will probably be the most recognized language in the world. Most people can speak it, or knows somebody who can. The next would probably be Chinese or maybe mandarin.