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TheKingRamen
He’s doing the same shit Christie did. Talks shit the week leading up to the debate. The. Pull the “y u make us attack?” routine
apbadogs
The Democrats are Trump’s best campaigners, all this shit is just going to get him re-elected.
Pally01
"Centrist Democrats, why do you work with these communists? Left Democrats, what do you think of the Republican Lapdogs?" - CNN debate
Klpincoyo
Totally agree. It was a carnival act.
Doumdidoum
No that's not what a debate means. Ideas are supposed to be pitted, policies, promises, but candidates? Meh.
CityYeti
Tapper was unbelievably antagonistic and was begging for conflict. I remember when he asked Williamson something like, "Senator Warren says
CityYeti
that you're weak and won't fight, how do you respond?" Williamson kind of laughed and essentially said,
CityYeti
"I actually don't think she said that."
bannatoosmallforscale
The more they bicker and squabble the easier they make it for trump next year
vitaminalgas
I didn't watch
Maboroshi1994
i saw the debate, booker has a point. the moderating team fucked up royally. they were looking for something like the jerry springer show.
circutracer1511
Watching these train wrecks has been most entertaining.
zFUBARz
Do you really want politics to be entertaining? I prefer well thought out and productive.
TheWhiteBarry
Is it though? As funny as it is today it just means we probably have to deal with another 4 years of the toddler in chief
fredh67
It's actually pretty sad, but honestly, if you don't laugh you'll just end up curled up in a ball and crying.
circutracer1511
So, exactly what has he done that’s been bad for the country? Strongest economy and lowest unemployment in history.
EightyMeterLongDong
They are just running for who gets to lose to Trump next year anyway.
Mortalside
Tulsi Gabbard is the only sane candidate running and she will get shut down by the DNC.
jfd8u438fdsfkds
Sad but true
FattyNorman
There's a difference between debating about issues that actually matter and trying to get the candidates to talk shit & attack each other
Porfirij
not a fan of booker, but he has a point. the format is designed to create conflict rather than inform the audience about the candidates.
LuckyMan9
Cory Booker is a dullard.
ColoniaCroisant
Not a fan of Booker but both those debates the other night were trash, all they were doing was giving Trump ammo to slam them and win again
JohnSelth
Wait wait, so when republican candidates call out CNN they are crazy, but when Dems call it out it’s fine? Also don’t run 30 candidates
JohnSelth
Then, the same thing happened for the early republican debates in 2015. They were extremely quick with like 1 minute response times.
CliffWestern
No republicans are crazy because you keep making up psycho conspiracy's like pizza gate
JohnSelth
Pointing out irony makes me one side or another?
CliffWestern
As i recall republicans didnt complain about time. They complained because they were asked hard questions.
JohnSelth
No, republicans had an issue with CNN’s reporting practices. Specifically in how they used sound bites in questionable context. As well as
JohnSelth
They were upset because they saw CNN sensationalizing reporting, their talkshow hosts, the email thing, and the Donna Brazile question thing
mechengineer1991
One “small” detail I noticed during the debates was that there wasn’t an American flag anywhere...
CliffWestern
Who gives a fuck.
TigerThong
good, That's such an easy ploy to goad idiots to your side. Like begging on the street for money but its unearned votes
jfd8u438fdsfkds
They should have 500 flags to prove how patriotic they are, like Trump. That guy is so patriotic.
morelikeconsham
That's really ok. Why would they need one?
LoopStricken
Does there have to be? Are you likely to forget which country is being talked about if there's no flag reminding you?
ZombieVarwick
LoopStricken
I don't know what that means. Sorry, I'm British - we don't have flags every seventeen inches unless it's football season.
ZombieVarwick
It's a scene from Office Space, the manager (guy in photo) is getting after waitress for not wearing enough flair.
ZombieVarwick
3 "See, we've got a flag" (30 seconds at the beginning. Then you see Trump:
ZombieVarwick
2 The point is, they're (the waitress and the Democrats) doing the bare minimum necessary, and nothing more.
alchemist12345
Wasnt the one at the beginning enough that was brought in by armed guards?
zFUBARz
Didn't they so do the anthem.
alchemist12345
Yep.
Nomad33
Didn't the moderator basically say "senator Warren said you're a wimp. How do you respond?"
Pretzelenthusiasts
CNN really just wanted to see a fight
AngryGroundhog
Yes, that was CNN’s whole format; back-seating informing voters for trying to manufacture tv drama.
AngryGroundhog
The Onion nailed it as always: https://politics.theonion.com/jake-tapper-demands-michael-bennet-answer-question-of-w-1836867023
LarvaLamp
That's amazing! And being from Washington, the Inslee add at the end was perfect!
OuroborosX
It was just a cheap attempt by CNN to get them to attack each other and get soundbites. That wasn't a debate.
quade
That's actually NOT what "debate" means. It's a very specific thing, different from "fight" or "argue".
xmaneds
BATTLE ROYALE!!... WITH CHEESE!
onikame
True, but it's close. In a debate, two sides of an argument are presented and defended. "Dog and Pony Show" is closer to whats happening.
xKaraKx
Dance for me monkeys
UComeFirst
What’s happening here is just a bunch of people Mass Debating.
xmaneds
good one, i had to say it out loud, but I got your joke
izoli413365
It is an argument of differing viewpoints in a formal setting with specific rules.
xmaneds
nailed it
DeviatedPrevert
GriffinMann41
Broken link.
Monkeytron
No it isn’t!
TheDevilBeatJohnny
Fastest way to fix debates: no audience. No immediate feedback.
Razehope
I get what your saying but the soundbites with the crowd reaction is what they are trying for
TheDevilBeatJohnny
Correct, which is great for a society of vapid consumers but terrible for comparison of leaders.
myballshurt
As a person who lives in NJ, please dont vote for Booker. He is such a shit bag. Only cares about himself
Begotten
A politician from NJ? A shitbag?? Woo lad, you're gonna need to show your work on that one!
bunnigiri
He got a significant amount of money from the pharmaceutical industry and seems to vote in their favor, I’m assuming because over half 1/2
bunnigiri
the US’s 20 largest pharmaceutical companies are in NJ. 2/2
AlcoholicsAnonymousBYO
In which case, there is literally zero chance of anyone anti-pharma ever making it anywhere in NJ. Have to come from states with no pharma.
b0Bm3h
From all I heard during the debates, he seemed to use trigger words to get people riled up for him
EMTMarv
Dude is having another Spartacus moment... Please Cory you had your chance and you sold out to the pharmaceutical industry
TheRealAethrys
A lot of these flavors of socialism are pretty indistinguishable. Some are pulling hard to make Sanders look conservative by comparison.
Begotten
If you can't handle the early stages of the Dem primary debates it probably doesn't bode well for a potential debate against Trump....
EightyMeterLongDong
Hillary needed the questions given to her ahead of time and still lost.
zFUBARz
Trump doesn't debate, he makes faces. Then again this isn't debate either.
JohnSelth
Maybe they should be making faces then. Seems to bode well.
zFUBARz
Just what we should expect from politicians.
Lowestscoreever
CNN wants 20 Democrats to run against Trump, at the same time.
fredh67
Actually I find that the news networks definitely have a preferred candidate by the time we near the election - and I don't just mean /
fredh67
democrat or republican a month out, I mean a preferred dem (cnn, msnbc, etc.) and preferred gop (Fox) when primaries still matter.
LarvaLamp
Zerg rush!
silverfoxxflame
listened to a headline and that's it. the moderator actively tried to force conflict between people rather than discuss policy/ideas.
TheBurritoConfederacy
Compared to the first set of debates in June this was a complete and utter farce.
PangolinBan
Even if that had been the goal, the format doesn't really allow for actual discussion. The candidates would need to get enough time to 1/2
PangolinBan
2/2 properly formulate an argument.
Zreen
If it were a true debate each candidate would have up to an hour to clarify their position with 25min each to counterargument any candidate
dailycupofjoe
Holy smokes, I just got a mental picture of 16 people getting 1.5 hours each to not actually answer the question. I need a drink now
GiktMogg
"Im for all the good things and they are for all the bad things"
Zreen
Obviously that's unfeasible as there's so many candidates. The short form has its flaws as well.
MovedToast
It's only unfeasible because then they'd have to actually Elaborate on their positions. We've got the time.
Zreen
There are financial and temporal logistics to consider.
TheAnimalLady
I'd argue time limits more akin to the LD format would have the best of both worlds- reasonable amounts of time for responses, but not (1/2)
TheAnimalLady
So long for each candidate that it becomes impossible to get through everyone.
LineCook
LD is where it's at.
nopost
Asking questions purposely phrased to get candidates to fight, bicker, and tear each other down is NOT the purpose of the debate
Begotten
That's not the purpose of debates in general, but that is how these "debates" have worked for a long time for both parties
colt60hunt
Welcome to modern media. Ratings are down we got to get them fighting!
alchemist12345
Its NOT a debate when the format only allows 30 second responses. It only encourgaes gotcha statements which lacks context or nuance. You
thunderheat569
Please explain your solution to a complex multinational nuclear arms agreement. You have 10 seconds.
secretbison
Debates should have live fact-checkers who slime you if you say something provably wrong.
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
"In 50 words or less, how would you transition America through an outdated societal systems without compromising economic prosperity?"
ThisUsernameIsNotAvailableForYou
Thank you
GlassSword
I'm sorry, your 30 seconds are up
slabaReactionSmuggler
Competitive press conferences
ObiHaiv
Unless you're Kamala Harris, who seemed to be able to pipe up whenever she wanted and was never really time-limited in her answers.
Quizz25S
You mean like a 140 character limit?
Asadsadsadclown
Better get the lynch mob ready, this guy is probly going to start telling people to be nice to each other next.
Leithoa
They keep making them cause people keep watching them. Don't give them your viewership.
DakotaWolf
It's a glorified verbal gladiator match is all it is, they want the nastiness and the hate, it brings in viewers
breakingcode
The DNC selected the people who appeared on the stage. They've already determined who they'll let win. $'s can move it however they want.
alchemist12345
know, things that should be explored in debates.
cbale2000
I mean, when there's like 50 candidates, there's only so much you can do about that.
GastricMuncher
Speed bating.
GingerImgurBinger
Akurei00
I mean, it doesn't help that there's a million candidates dividing 2 hours.
Bigballz
Yeah I think this will be less of a problem once there are less candidates on stage, atleast I’d hope
azazyel
Ever seen the episode of the West Wing "The Debate" that's what I'd love to see
Mack1986
Ahh. When writers got 9 months to write truly thought provoking and well thought out statements and responses for fictional characters
override367
I mean I'd love a dem to point out all but a few red states are massive welfare states sucking on the teet of their hated liberal brethren
azazyel
That's not how TV works. Shit Sorkin would be writing while they were filming.
WinoCrimesand69s
Not sure why you were downvoted, sure it wasnt hard to come up with "questions my countrys leaders should be able to answer w/o runaround"
Cheomesh
Yeah it's pretty awful.
Aingelproject667
That's why if I ever become a political candidate I'm just gonna scream for the entire 30 seconds
Cheomesh
HOLY SHIT VOTE LOCKED IN
wyatt8740
I'd vote for you unless you wrote treatises on mass murder
CityYeti
It's like when you try to argue your point with 140 characters
GrizzFitClicker
If there wasnt 57,000 candidates they could have longer time to debate!
tenaciousOther
the american way
MissKetchup
Need the Gotcha Dancers from Pawnee Today with Joan Callamezzo! ? ? ?
randomusergnome
like “you’re dipping into the Kool-Aid and you don’t even know the flavor”
TupperwareNinja
It's a rap battle
LarvaLamp
Yeah. Septic Rap Battles of History.
morphis
It's a TV SHOW run by a TV NETWORK to pick a TV CANDIDATE who will star in their political TV SHOW for the next 4 years.
LarvaLamp
thebigman122
Well when there's 500 people running then you only get 30 seconds for response.
JapAnus
It almost feels like a money scheme. Get a bunch of fake candidates to collect campaign donations, funnel that money to the real ones
CliffWestern
Or you can ask fewer questions of greater substance
LegendaryKatman
Hey! That 4% in the polls might increase by an order of magnitude by the next debate! Better stay in.
Chefroy
Why? Theres so long until they have to pick a candidate. Theres so many? Split that shit up and put it on youtube.
Ashzeriam
You would think if we truly valued democracy we would devote more resources to the process of selecting a leader
luminouslumia
i mean why do you think the Russians help us so much with that and all we do is give them shit.
SwagicalYololord
CNN - “The debate has started” - 27 minutes later the first question is asked....
maninthedarkness
Such as what? Have a tighter qualifying process? We're already down to two parties to choose from.
MovedToast
....Expect credentials? Qualifications aside from "Is an American "?
Jusmar
Government-sponsored debates given multiple hours broadcast on every network.
Danund81
They're wasting time with people only polling 1%. The entire thing feels dysfunctional, like everyone caught the stupid over these 4 years.
Omnipotence0
Well I think that people who really don't like Trump saw his victory as meaning anyone can win. But they wont.
barrocoyote
Jimmy Carter was one of those no name long shots
LarvaLamp
He's history's greatest monster!
morelikeconsham
This early in, they should definitely be including the less popular ones. The only way you could poll higher than 1% at this stage is
morelikeconsham
Through name recognition alone, which is not how I want my representatives chosen.
crimpitdown9001
DougieFresh11
Yeah as someone who is actually trying to be active in this election, these "debates" are impossible to get a read on these candidates
FjordianSlip
Yea I've mostly stuck to policy pages for candidates.
unitedstateoftexas
It is important to look at how each candidate actually votes so their views align with you as well as their persona.
AlcoholicsAnonymousBYO
Good point. But very few politicians get to conscience vote, they have to follow party lines or risk being dumped. So not a true indicator?
CliffWestern
Still a good indicator as you will learn when they fought and when they caved.
WouldYouNot
"You-" Time's up. NEXT!
LarvaLamp
"Can I just say-"
AlcoholicsAnonymousBYO
"Before I answer that - "