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Ayeseeem
This post didn’t age well lol
YouMealyMouthedCrotchPheasant
You find some narcissistic orange cunt will spend years trying to prove the birth certificate wrong.
yomahnn
I dunno, finding someone with those specifications seems ridiculously improbable... And then you'd need to find people to listen to him...
Mxlespxles
LongEaredGaloot
Why the hell would they want this fucking place??
eviscera
With how badly democracy has been behaving recently, I'm almost ready to give absolute monarchy a fucking go.
justlivinthedream
Plot Twist: America's playing the long game and taking the REST of the UK.
SometimesISayDumbShit
it has a bit of a Game Of Thrones feel to it, doesn't it?
IvanTheTesticle
More like a Charles V thing
ElRadis
Get ready for Nigel the First, King Of The Americas!
AlwaysTrustTheManInABigWhiteVan
Nice GoT + House of Cards mix coming up
SomeCrazyNerd
Good ol' fashioned marriage politics. Destroying happiness in unfulfilling relationships for power since the birth of inheritance!
aleister94
Maybe someone will poison the inbred orange haired turd....by which I mean joffrey....obviously
SevenOfWine
OMG the election makes so much sense now
CaptainDeadpool
Need more betrayal and murder.
JustSomeEnglishGuy
Prince William and his children are ahead of Harry and any of his children in the line of succession, there can be betrayal and murder there
SometimesISayDumbShit
it's only just begun though. what a few chapters
SometimesISayDumbShit
wait*
philyphil22
She will have to renounce her US citizenship first and become a UK citizen before they can marry
fulminatrix
No, she can marry him as an American. She might need to be a citizen of one of the Queen's realms before she can use a title, though.
Bloodandpheromones
She’ll have to renounce before the marriage because he’s technically still in the line of succession.
fulminatrix
She won't. They've announced she'll be getting citizenship in due course after the marriage, like anyone else. She'll marry as an American.
fulminatrix
Although I have just read she can use her titles immediately on marriage, even as an American, so I was wrong there.
YouExpectedTheSpanishInquisitionButItWasMeDio
This is literally the same post as this one
Wing1star
IHaveAMemeForThis
Mxlespxles
dontfuqtheworldupohwaityoudid
Great mining here guys, really worth my time.
maggiemoocorgipoo
At this point, I'd welcome our new overlords.
peridotstar
Hell, I'll start brewing tea tonight.
Lujanobean
Nah I’ll pass, America has its flaws but I’m proud to be here no matter who the president is
Ttarler
Im like 30% sure the emoluments clause prevents that possibility but it would be better than the current occupant.
shrilaxasatru
And after trump we will gladly take him!!!
steve1907
Yep, definitely want America back, quite a prize.
OhSoEnglish
We don't want it back. You broke it. ;)
AwkwardKeming
Please?
whatupmyknitters
the UK voted in favor of brexit. don't act like we're so different.
ToddBonzalezYo
Keep it it's fucked
HalfOpenSkies
Says the smug Englishman as he loads another shell of “brexit” to further shoot himself in the foot.
Mimsey
You posted on an American website. On American internet. Using Americans software. Running on American hardware architecture. RIP.
Ragnarok1030
Yeah..because you guys are doing great right now..
TheDreaded1
Hey now, it was like this when we found it. **gets punched in the throat by a Native American**
waurma
give us the 6 counties back so
BadAssLemons
the like 5% you actually colonized...?
Morganator2000
Username checks out.
DickPicEnthusiast
It's already Russian, anyway.
koda5300
Come on, why don't you give it another go and see how it turns out? Couldn't be any worse than what's going on now
TossAPointToYourWitcher
This guy makes a good point.
intashu
That's how my Ex caught me!
Mxlespxles
HalfOpenSkies
Have you not been paying attention to Brexit? The US fine in comparison.
OhSoEnglish
I reject that assertion. Brexit is a country leaving something it didn't want to be a member of.
ZZhillTopper
While I think the state of British politics is troubling, I find the state of US politics to be in very bad shape even by comparison.
AnalFistingPornstarLegendWolverine
Please, don't even JOKE about having a worse government! Trump might take it as a challenge...
EveryGuyonImgur
You can't be President and have dual citizenship. The kids would have to renounce their British citizenship to qualify under Article II.
Bloodandpheromones
The kids won’t have American citizenship. Markle will be British before the wedding.
anitabieror6
aren't harrys kids not in line for the throne though? like unless william and george both die untimely deaths...?
casper1666
Charles is next in line, then William, Then George. Harry's a long way off, and his kids would be even further down the line..
removekarling
Royal family have got to cut back on playing CK2
barbwyre59
As long as she ,is a good president it’ll be fine
JoeAshmore
King Ralph
screamingwinemaker
Korolev787
If they're not born on US soil (and I doubt they will be), then they cannot be President, even if they have citizenship.
SonicEuthanasia
False. Natural born citizen means able to achieve citizenship at birth. It can be through parentage or location.
OGCurious
I've wanted them to have it back since the inauguration.
upcountrycare
Oh thank God, we can move back in with mom and ..well grandma, now that we shit the bed
chadChadChadChadChadChad
make America great Britain again
DonaldTrumpsMassiveCock
I approve
chowmaster
MAGBA
poot85
They're too busy making it shit, again. Their gov. actually has a stance of no expert opinions are to be heeded. Brexit for everyone!
lozzieinferno
I hear that (sincerely, a still slightly salty Remainer).
Chadillac84
AutoFox
We could done worse. Have done, even.
punchlineguy
I'm ok with this
DrDoo
After they've seen what we've done with sweet ice tea I don't think they'd want us back
JustSomeEnglishGuy
Won't be too bad, we know a place in Boston where we can send it all.
fulminatrix
To be fair, I'm an American and can't really blame them for that.
TomValentine
https://i.imgur.com/LWqnOEs
juanswansong
Wait..dont brits have the sopa act or whatever?
AceHibbleton
Fuck.
DoYouWantUsToGetAntsBecauseThatsHowYouGetAnts
Harry is 5th in line to the throne, soon to be 6th meaning his kid would be 7th. I get it's a joke but we would have to have a LOT of (1of2)
DoYouWantUsToGetAntsBecauseThatsHowYouGetAnts
Diana 'accidents' before we could make this play work! (2of2)
zerovanity59
Charles is assumed to die before Harry. William and George are assumed to be future kings even thou they are not heirs apparent.
zerovanity59
Apparently, "heir apparent" is one of the few English phases with the noun before the adjective. Hence the plural is heirs apparent.
SkyGuyTheGuy
That's not at all how that works.
AntLionBlack
Don't you forfeit the ability to become royalty when becoming a U.S. citizen?
Alozar
I think it works the other way around, as well. Being a noble revokes your US citizenship.
AntLionBlack
Probably. Memory is foggy. Haven't really touched the subject since middle/high school.
Djkreeze
I know which I'd prefer
Alozar
Oh, hell yea.
ChimneyImps
You only forfeit nobility when you have a job in the government. An amendment that prohibited nobility for all citizens was proposed 1/2
ChimneyImps
2/2 in 1810 and approved by Congress, but was never ratified by the states and is technically still pending for ratification.
AntLionBlack
Huh neat.
Nivvi
Does being born USA citizen after mother is enough or kid has to be born on USA soil as well?
dontfuqtheworldupohwaityoudid
To achieve natural citizenship, child must be born in the USA, or if abroad on American soil. - US Constitution. So like an embassy baby?
dontfuqtheworldupohwaityoudid
If the child achieves american citizenship, he or she will also need to live 14 years as a resident within the United States.
cattywumpus
Hypothetical kid is what, 6th in line to the throne? Even if he/she is born, it's a long way to the throne.
Bloodandpheromones
7th by the time it’s born. Plus, she will have to renounce her American citizenship and become a British citizen like Prince Philip did.
Justkillmealready
If you've gone through no Naturalization process, and hold citizenship, you're a natural born citizen.
MrBodyMassageMachineGO
Anyone who has citizenship can hold any seat in the legislative or judicial branch. POTUS has to be a citizen and born on US soil.
MrBodyMassageMachineGO
I gotta add that this is conjecture though. The term “natural born citizen,” is the language in the constitution but it’s never been tried
MrBodyMassageMachineGO
https://www.shmoop.com/constitution/article-2-section-1.html article 2
RealScienceMan
As long as you're born a citizen.
RealScienceMan
You would have to renounce your dual citizenship though.
schizznatt
Nope. I was born both an American and Canadian citizen and can keep both.
SgtPancakes
He's saying to become president, you would
RealScienceMan
You have to renounce it to be president not anything else.
aintgottimeforbs
I think it has to be on US soil, otherwise we wouldn’t have had the whole John McCain debate (he was born on a base) to a citizen Moyer
halborski
Ted Cruz was born in Calgary and lived there until he was 4 and ran for President. You only need to be a citizen from birth, which he was.
aintgottimeforbs
But we did have the McCain birthers when he was a potential candidate. They were arguing if the base in Panama was really US territory
aintgottimeforbs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/07/there-was-a-very-real-birther-debate-about-john-mccain/
aintgottimeforbs
Also, my mom was a citizen when I was born abroad, and I was always told I couldn’t be president
schizznatt
No, you can be. As long as your mother lived there at least 5 years before you were born, two of which were after she turned 14.
aintgottimeforbs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/07/there-was-a-very-real-birther-debate-about-john-mccain/
aintgottimeforbs
McCain showed that this isn’t ironclad? Am I missing something?
lizlemmler
Confirmed! I’m in the same boat. You have to be a ‘natural born citizen’. So basically, eligible for citizenship at birth.
scooterneverhurtnobody
In order to be a president, you have to be born on U.S. soil.
TheAssSassIn
No you just have to be born a citizen. To be a citizen at birth you either need to be born on US soil OR have one parent who is a citizen
BoxesofFoxes
I was always taught you had to be born on US soil. Specifically remember a kid in school who couldn't be Pres b/c he was born in S Korea
Notracistjustbald
I work in immigration this is accurate.
schizznatt
I'm a dual citizen and can confirm this is accurate as well.
spaghettiThunderbolt
You only have to be born a citizen, which doesn't mean born here. Ted Cruz was born in Canada.
WhatWaresWouldAWerewordWear
Leslie Knope was born in Eagleton
SomeDetroitGuy
John McCain was born in Panama.
karlingkoss
On a military base, which is US soil
sinbios
No. http://military.findlaw.com/family-employment-housing/military-children-born-abroad.html
sinbios
"Contrary to popular belief, military bases are not considered "U.S. soil" for citizenship purposes."
thisusernameisnttakenisit
SCOTUS has never ruled on it. Thus the only answer is "No one knows 100% for sure at this point in time"
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
^ That. It's widely considered to be citizen at birth, not born here, but we don't actually have a legal answer.
dannakala
Any natural-born citizen can become president (ie you had to be a citizen at birth). Doesn't matter where. Ted Cruz was born in Canada.
aintgottimeforbs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/07/there-was-a-very-real-birther-debate-about-john-mccain/
Matty3D
As a Canadian, sorry aboot that.
scriptman07
However, once bestowed a title by a foreign government, you're ineligible to hold office in this country. I can't remember what it's called
aintgottimeforbs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/07/there-was-a-very-real-birther-debate-about-john-mccain/
Anarric
A person also has to live in the US for 14 years prior; not enough to be born you also gotta do the time
barbwyre59
John McCain was born in panama
stevesmittens
And Barack Obama was born in a place called "Hawaii", but because his mother is American, he is also considered a natural-born citizen.
DeathsDeathOfRats
So all that BS about his birth certificate actually meant nothing?
pigeonkitty
Yes. Also, fun fact his opponent John McCain was born in Panama.
laddercrash
John McCain ran for president and he was born in Panama.
whatupmyknitters
additional info: 'natural born' means you were either born on US soil and/or to at least one parent with US citizenship
DemonicCarnage
Or born on a military post over seas
ADedicatedDuck
TIL I could be President.
aintgottimeforbs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/07/there-was-a-very-real-birther-debate-about-john-mccain/
HungarianOxPenisInABlender
Yet Obama had issues because Kenya... Fucking Hannity
helpidontknowmyname
but...Kenya was where his father was born. Obama was born in Hawaii. That's why it was all such bullshit.
fulminatrix
I think they meant it wouldn't even matter, since his mother was a citizen and therefore Obama was born into citizenship anywhere on Earth.
whatupmyknitters
Trump was all about that birther-ness too. And he was against the electoral college until it won him the presidency.
ProfessorBlackHole
That's actually very arguable and we really don't have any law for it! The constitution has nothing for that besides the 14th amendment. :D
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
We do have a law for it: The 14th Amendment and various Naturalization acts spell it out. Plus Supreme Court precedent favors it.
whatupmyknitters
true, but john mccain and ted cruz were both allowed to run for president soo....
TheRickestofMortys
McCain was born in the Panama Canal(at the time joint controlled with US) to an Admiral. Cruz was in a primary not the presidential race.
Marikhen
You can be born mid-flight over Germany and still be "natural-born." I went to school with a kid who fit that bill. >_>
SluntBiggums
Can't hold dual-citizenship though.
PhilbertHFZ
Sure they can. The both the UK and the US allow for dual citizenship. (Rather, neither forbid it).
SluntBiggums
Not to be president. Ted Cruz had to give up his Canadian citizenship before his campaign for president.
PhilbertHFZ
"Dual citizenship (also known as dual nationality) is allowed in the UK." - https://www.gov.uk/dual-citizenship
PhilbertHFZ
"A U.S. citizen may naturalize in a foreign state without any risk to his or her U.S. citizenship" - Dual Nationality (travel.state.gov)
dannakala
McCain was born in Panama. Granted, on a military base, but military bases aren't considered "US soil" for citizenship purposes.
aintgottimeforbs
Both of his parents were citizens at the time of his birth. Dems we’re preparing to challenge his eligibility in court
ismayell
No, military bases count as US soil
aintgottimeforbs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/07/there-was-a-very-real-birther-debate-about-john-mccain/
whatbuttondoipush
He was born off base
dannakala
source? All the reputable sources I see say he was born on the Coco Solo Military Hospital.
whatbuttondoipush
"At that time, the Panama Canal was under U.S. control." - Morison, Samuel Eliot. The Two-Ocean War: A Short History of the United
copingcabana
Natural-born? HA! Take that you c-section weirdos!
ThatOneGuyOverThereNoNotHim
As a c-section weirdo, that's funny.
flightlessfruit
So, when's your removal day?
kiwiwolf
Either. One citizen parent or born on us soil is all you need
resonantD
On us soil
TheBlackVan
Dual citizenship. It's good enough.
memedreamfightingmachine
Not for Australia
cyclick
We are losing so many politicians right now for dual citizenship it's hilarious. Tune in to see who it is this week!
mirhagk
Australia always allows citizenship to people who've never been on their soul so long as someone in their lineage was
noparkingzone
I don't quite think so.. Husband is Australian by descent (dual citizen) , but our children cannot be Aus citizens unless born there.
patrickcoyneud
Then the United States can tax them
lonyxs
America doesn't recognize dual citizenship, but isn't against it either
MrE158
The main impact is if you're an American citizen you have to enter the US on your American passport. Maybe security clearance implications?
DavidBrooker
America doesn't endorse or promote dual citizenship, but the State Department accepts it as a reality of modern life.
schizznatt
I have dual American and Canadian citizenship. I got American through my mother who was born there.
Setsylarper
...I..I have multiple friends that are dual citizens. America recognizes it.
lonyxs
"United States does not formally recognize dual citizenship. However, it also has not taken any stand against it..."
lonyxs
http://immigration.findlaw.com/citizenship/dual-citizenship.html
damnshithellfart
I was under the impression that at a certain age the US makes you pick one...
GdSvThQn
Nope, they just don't recognize it, but they won't force you to choose. I'm a uk/us citizen.
bekind2joeblake
Ya, I’m really confused by this. Is it one of those the US doesn’t investigate things?
feeltheice
No, they'll only recognize the American citizenship when it comes to law things.
bekind2joeblake
Hm, interesting. Thanks!
DavidBrooker
That is extraordinarily common.
lizlemmler
(1/2) Can confirm: one parent is American, I was born abroad but am considered an American by birth. What’s worse? For a long time they
lizlemmler
(2/2) didn’t accept ‘dual’ citizenship so according to the USA, I was only an American and not even a citizen in the country of my birth.
MigraMines
That actually is still the case the us government does not accept dual citizenship so according to the us you are American only. Other 1/
MigraMines
Countries can recognize your citenship to their country but the us will consider you only American. That being said I guess it really 2/
MigraMines
Does not matter what the us thinks if the other country accepts it. 3/3
Vultee66
Where were you born? Like Iran or something
lizlemmler
Go north. Go waaaaaaaaay north.
scooterneverhurtnobody
Actually I'm pretty sure you have to be born in Ohio to be a president.
namiasdf
Being born in America is enough to be a citizen, isn't it?
SamArt53
or Kenya
IProvideFakeContext
I get it. It wasn't funny, but I get it.
SamArt53
Correction: “Hawaii”
namiasdf
You are most likely everything that is wrong with America.
SamArt53
Humor is what’s wrong with America? News to me. I thought our biggest problem was the opposite of ‘progress’... namely our ‘congress’.
namiasdf
=)
fulminatrix
It is. Even being born on a plane above the US counts, or in a foreign ship in US waters. Jus soli, "right of the soil."
breezybriv
You can’t have “alternative loyalty,” as I understand it. Pretty much the definition of also being British royalty. You’d have to deny dual.
SirWadeWilson
You would probably have to renounce your title.
imsmallfry
My granddad was american but they wont give citizenship to his kids cause he joined the irish army
TedTheMan
My granddad was in the Irish "army" and had to come to America...
tabasco225
Ask Barack Obama
DGallagher20
Their children would have to kill their own Uncle and Cousins before being in line.. William.. George... Charlotte...Then the new one..
DGallagher20
Not to mention they'd have to wait for many years or kill their own father before being in line.
Hutchy01
Not kill him just you know flashbulb in a Parisian tunnel.
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Katalack123
No, he wouldn't.
Flossiraptor
Pretty sure it goes eldest, eldest's chlidren then 2nd born.
shyriath
I am very, very sure that he wouldn't. He might very well become regent, but he wouldn't become king.
zerovanity59
That is not how the UK does it. The inheritance does not see death.
metaldragon92
Don’t people who marry members of the royal family have to claim just English and denounce other citizenship?
Bloodandpheromones
She will be given British citizenship and renounce American citizenship before the wedding.
fulminatrix
No, she can't even become British without either waiting for citizenship by marriage, like everyone else, or having UK govt grant it faster.
metaldragon92
I figured she would kinda be automatically British once married. Or can she have dual citizenship?
fulminatrix
It's been announced she will be getting citizenship by marriage in a few years, and that she can be dual but it's uncertain whether she will
metaldragon92
Ok, thanks. I was genuinely curious:-)