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TheMightyMoto
Neatish
BasicWhiteSeattleite
We have a lot of transitional housing programs but druggies get kicked out. We need more free rehabs and mental health care.
HighPr0fiIe
I worked in DT Seattle for years on cap hill most of them is drug use and don't want help other than money
Bullwinkele
I agree, but please tag your political posts.
GhostTater
I stand with @Bullwinkele
Stanistani
You barely use tags in your tiny number of posts.
Canigetbannedagain
I've heard people saying that Seattle has a drug problem disguised as a homeless problem.
CoarseAndSalty
What we have is a reputation for being a city with very few homeless deaths. Drugs are a part of that package.
deaththeunholy
Im in Seattle and it's broken for sure here. Like we need major systemic change to be able to turn around at the point up here
Problemwoodchuck
Seattle Govt: Best I can do is a hockey team
IAlwaysUpvoteSunsets
Seattle liberal here. I'm curious to know what we're saying about homeless that's the same as what Trump says about immigrants. Examples?
sb719
I see the opposite. It's almost taboo to criticize the homeless for anything. People won't even say homeless anymore, it's "unhoused"
BloodworthyJoe
binxwalker
How self-righteous. Not all homeless are hapless victims of societal problems. There are a percentage who are criminals who choose to live/1
binxwalker
off the grid in order to jump bail, sell and use drugs, avoid familial responsibilities etc. That percentage can create big issues for a /2
binxwalker
community and present more than just inconvenience. Look at Venice if you want to observe the hard reality of attempting to help those who/3
binxwalker
refuse to accept help because it interferes with their substance abuse, exposes their criminal past or forces them to get help.
kurastwolf
Seattle has a problem of passing measures for homelessness that take a year to start, then ending them because it hasn’t done anything yet
giganticroboticpenguin
There is a huge affordability problem but 30% of people on the street won't take housing because of drug use or mental health. Been shown 1/
giganticroboticpenguin
that less than 1000 people are responsible for half the violence perpetrated the attacks, most of the rest is gang or drug crimes.
MotherEffinSatan
Those aren't liberals, those are hypocrites
originaljbw
It's odd how the bluest cities in the bluest states resemble the dystopian mega corporation future that scifi writes about
mondomar
I am a seattle liberal and I work with the unsheltered and low income folks and provide free veterinary services for their animals.
df8199350
Thank you for being a good person.
mondomar
This is not true of everyone in this city. I see good things. I also see bad things. It’s not like we are Bellevue or Kirkland.
AntTrapHouse
So do something about it instead of whining about how others can't solve the problem.
VaultGirl69
Thus whole mess is caused by taxloopholes for the wealthy, min wage not keeping up with inflation, and general assholery...
coopeBugRunner
It is very naive to say that rich people cause homelessness. Grow up
VaultGirl69
I would if I didn't study economics. The amount of money funded through political campaigns alone could fix homelessness.
lordblood123
it's more about fixing the drug and mental illness issues
VaultGirl69
Stress and depression are both often caused by poverty. If you have to work multiple jobs just to afford a place, you'd be looney too.
lordblood123
That is a factor but its the sole factor
Nunyajonesinc
The really sad thing about the Seattle homeless is that a lot are working poor who got priced out of their own city
Btint11
U don't have to stay there, I don't understand if you get priced out just leave
Nunyajonesinc
1. With what money? 2. Fuck the people born and raised somewhere I guess 3. Do you understand how fucking stupid this comment is?
Btint11
If you could afford to live there before you can afford to live somewhere else.
Nunyajonesinc
Spoken like a mother fucker who had never known want
Btint11
U can want whatever the fuck you want dude, doesn't mean you deserve it.
Btint11
You do realize you don't have the right to live wherever you want right?
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
Visiting Seattle 5 years ago I was baffled by the amount of homeless ppl. You could see entire tent villages from atop the Columbia Center.
DrowningLessons
It's way worse now
Mairoa
Born in West Seattle, family had to move 9 times before I was 10 to find somewhere safe and affordable to live. Working hard af too
McFitSteak
I feel sad for you. Come to Germany =)
AwkwardPancake
Denver is the same. I had to delete my NextDoor account of all the sh!t people blaming the homeless for everything
carlsagansghost
Yes. Big liberal cities offer lots of amenities for homeless people, so many people move to these cities to be homeless.
NomDeImguerre
The unspoken implication of the American Dream is that you are responsible for your socioeconomic status. If you're poor,it's your own fault
jzastrow
I know some homeless people just need help, but there are definitely others who make terrible choices and are suffering the consequences
xizar
They talk about how dangerous the courthouse is, don't explain why except to vaguely mention there's a homeless encampment nearby.
carlsagansghost
I work next door to the courthouse. It’s not dangerous at all.
xizar
That's my (apparently poorly made) point; it's fearmongering.
carlsagansghost
Ah. Sorry! :)
BrazilianThunderPanda
Pretty funny that a courthouse that requires security screening & is crawling with police & sheriff’s is dangerous. It’s almost like police>
BrazilianThunderPanda
Presence and patrols doesn’t actually prevent crime.
xizar
I was getting more at the fearmongering, as well as the issues with policing homeless areas leads to creation of petty arrests.
thundercactus
It's wild that THE most socialist nations in the world are all better places to live than the US, and they still think socialism is bad.
Nader393
But there's a multi-billion dollar light rail expansion that's almost done. So they've got that going for them.
simsimbalabim
Yeah. Can't wait to see no one riding it. "But it'll be great for hockey games!" I for one was happy when sports left Seattle.
carlsagansghost
Yeah. So? The light rail is good for many, many thousands of people and the environment. It’s a net positive and we can still help homeless
Joejitsu
I run a business in Pioneer Square. There are so many resources available. They are not victims without options.
RichardBHard
There's 22 empty homes per homeless person. Funny, that.
coopeBugRunner
Lol yea just put them in houses,right?
MKESewerRat
Yeah.
asinglenoob
I love the fact that people in America don’t know we already tried that, read about The Great Society.
lordblood123
A good chunk of the homeless problem is drug abuse and mental illness you cant fix that by throwing them in a house
ThisGuyHere
ThisGuyHere
carlsagansghost
I live here. Some people move here to be homeless because it’s a relatively good place to be homeless.
johnnyunlikely
I’ve been traveling to Seattle for business for about seven years now. It’s gets worse and worse every time I go.
PatticusMaximus
Homeless services cost more. Increase property tax. Create more homeless. They cost more. So then they tax more . It’s brutal cycle
DUBAR70
Even November to March?
carlsagansghost
Yes. Because we have a lot of programs, and drugs are pretty much legal.
BrazilianThunderPanda
The west coast is very mild compared to the east coast. Seattle may get 2 days of snow in the winter. And with enough layers of clothes>>
BrazilianThunderPanda
And an outer layer of gortex plus a tent it’s livable. It rains but mostly it’s gray.
saluksic
I’m not sure if this is true or not, but I can say that every city I’ve lived in has said this about their homeless people.
MrTay
Complete bullshit I have a business I work with the city daily. We have programs we have help. We have housing. It’s mental and drugs 1/
MrTay
If the city and is the locals spend months trying to get people help get them to go in the programs. Ci habitats and all we get back 2/
MrTay
Is a growing radius of destruction to our properties daily cleaning. Spit on. What can we do? No program works if people don’t use it
maximilianfragglebottom
the problem needs to be addressed long before people hit skid row
enheru
It needs to be solved on a national level. If 1 city did it alone that'd make homeless flock there from all over the country, they wouldn't
nofucksgivin
Welcome to California. Most homeless are not from here. But here because the the state allocated billions to help homelessness. Fun times
ingarf
May be the weather also makes it easier to be homeless in California
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PatticusMaximus
I absolutely do not trust the federal government to run this system properly
delciotto
That's literally the reason the west coast has homelessness problems. The little we do is still better than most plus better weather.
xXxSTEVOxXx
The only solution is housing as a human right and we cant even get fucking health care.
drcookieninja
I mean ideally yes, but... the country has no problems ignoring other human rights.
PatticusMaximus
Because land doesn’t grow on trees. Services you can and should socialize….Housing… that gets real complicated- sincerely, a Seattle liberal
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GrumpyOldMillennial
If we had housing density similar to Hong Kong, all Americans would fit into indiana, with half a state to spare. Land isn't the issue.
AnimusRex
No it doesn't
GrosseChung
This country can’t do anything nationally if it’s just for some stupid thing like “the common good”
keeperofthepath
This country can’t really do anything nationally regardless, greater good or not, it’s one of the downsides of the federal system.
neverpostsoriginalcontent
Fwiw, that's precisely why the West Coast has so many homeless. People end up their because they have resources. Plus, a 9th circuit ruling
neverpostsoriginalcontent
makes it illegal to arrest people from sleeping in public, so they can stay in the streets near said services rather than in the forests.
ThisGuyHere
Can the homeless really afford to travel? I'm genuinely curious. I know bus tickets ain't expensive, but *shrug*
Lulabel73
Hitchhiking, walking, using public transport without a ticket etc etc. Doesn’t mean they are traveling across country.
ToxicPsychotic
In many places they'll give homeless people free one-way bus tickets to another city. Makes it someone else's problem.
DropKickHead
This is what happened to Oregon. They do a lot more for the homeless but they can't do enough to help ALL of the ones that keep coming in
AdrianDunne
This, but extended to a global scale. Immigration is a symptom of an unbalanced World.
Xenarion
Assuming homeless people have to money to reach said city.
anarchoFeline
stop asking the government to solve problems it's intentionally creating
MKESewerRat
...isn't that the same as asking them to stop creating the problem?
anarchoFeline
no I'm implying that you should work outside the government to solve issues
MKESewerRat
Valuable, sometimes. But some problems demand enforcement of the solution, and so long as government maintains a monopoly on enforcement...
WereAllAssholesIJustAdmitIt
Have you ever seen the South Park episode where all the homeless move to California? That shit was in 2007 and its only gotten worse here
ImYouFromTheFuture
Yep. Great combo. Raise taxes to kick out the successful people and make it good for the homeless. Great plan they got there.
betwitched
It’s gotten worse Everywhere
WereAllAssholesIJustAdmitIt
SoCal has the best year round weather, so its easier to be homeless here.
CountessNoppityNope
SoCal especially. It has gotten really bad in Santa Monica. It’s sad to see so many people and yet no one can address it well.
WereAllAssholesIJustAdmitIt
I lived in LA for 2 years from 2010-2012, it was bad then, but watching videos now about it makes me not want to visit.
IMGURN3WB
I agree (especially San Diego with the good weather too), but Bay Area especially SF and Oakland has a ton too
CountessNoppityNope
Agree. SoCal looked more but you are right NorCal is same.
INeverWaitForIt
Yeah, but it's so expensive. It would take 1/4-1/2 of the Military budget for a year to end homelessness. And hunger. And public education.
SubtleSun
Yeah but then how can we run all 800 military bases around the world?
INeverWaitForIt
And possibly universal healthcare.
zeppelin93
For reference half of the 2022 US military budget is 358 billion.
WrongUn
That's fucking disgraceful. I get the need for defense but that's an abhorrent number.
INeverWaitForIt
More than the next 9 countries combined, last I checked.
zeppelin93
Wait till you see how much more we Americans spend on Healthcare and how much more colleges charge for a degree!
enheru
have the resources to take care of them all. Needs a national effort.
Mentok
That's true for a lot. Imagine trying to build a national highway system these days.
MKESewerRat
and yet, mysteriously, building a massive free housing project in the middle of nowhere wouldn't work either. People like their communities
nofucksgivin
Most need meds to help but refuse. Family should take them or forced to take meds. I shouldn’t be forced to watch for human shit when I walk
memphizslim
Medicine doesn't cure the issue, the system is broken. People are over medicated and misdiagnosed because the states rather keep them in a
memphizslim
system where these government funded entities can continue to caddle and ship people in and out over services for financial gain.
canadianreserve
Really? My friend is schizophrenic and believes he doesn't need a help since he has a secret Swiss bank account and safe house somewhere
Masonrig
Welcome to what happened to Seattle ?
AuntieCoddswaddle
And San Francisco
simsimbalabim
As a Seattleite who just just came back from a week in SF, we have it much worse up here. Can't say that Union Square was a smart area to
simsimbalabim
Stay in, but there isn't anywhere downtown Seattle or surrounding neighborhoods that haven't been heavily affected by drugs, homelessness,
FishBoneKing
Case in point just visit Eugene Oregon. It offers amenities to unhouse folk and people flock from all over putting a huge strain on programs
uniformedmonkey
Not to mention the states that literally bus their homeless across state lines to them
nofucksgivin
Welcome to Califorina. Bussed in all day long
yifin
Study a fucked up policy.
Mazzy94
That's no excuse. Social progress is a moral imperative. Of one city became a refuge so be it.
NaughtButOne
Other districts will abuse the one that does this. They already ship homeless with one-way tickets, forcing them to agree to not come back.
GrosseChung
One city can’t be a refuge for a nations worth of economic victims. It will just collapse and be worse than before
Mazzy94
Only if they refuse to divert funding from fricolities and prestige projects.
dyxj
I don't care how many prestige projects a single city is running; that budget won't cover a nation's worth of homeless.
Totallyscrewedinaustin
That sounds good until you realize the funds to take care of 1,000 people would not cover 10,000 people if they all flocked there
DancesWithHedgehogs
So, "not in my city?"
dyxj
More like "every city". I want my city to help, but I also know we can't be the only ones to do so, for the aforementioned 10n>n reason.
IPoisonedDorcasMutton
No, it's "We want to help but do not have the resources to help everyone alone."
Totallyscrewedinaustin
Lol, you obviously haven't heard about Austins policy regarding the homeless. There are tent cities under every overpass
EveryGOPAccusationIsActuallyAnAdmission
The entire west coast is like that too.
enheru
It's not an excuse, it's a reason it's not feasible. Resources matter. It has to be done at a national level, a city can not do it alone.
DancesWithHedgehogs
Don't care. Positive change is positive change. Your rationale is a shoulder shrug that maintains the status quo. In other words, an excuse.
BearsDontCare
You should care. Federal has far, far more resources than any singular city. Your ideals are not feasible, and only promote harm
neomagus00
Yeah, but it's not positive? We've burned a bunch of money, destroyed a city, and to what end?
billstranger
Disagree. 100% solving the problem in ONE city would be absolutely devastating overall. As commenter above mentionas, it would inspire a...
billstranger
Mass migration to that city, and there would be LESS overall resources per person, to catastrophic effect. Doing good things is good. But...
Dontstopbelever2000ismyfavoritesoap
Hey can I have laser vision? I mean if we're living in a fantasy land I want it to be fun you know
khora
Is that adult supervision?
filben7
Cool story, you let them live in YOUR house. Also a FEW people are rich AF, most everyone else is poor as dirt and barely getting by.
RTBackup
I hope you adopt every single forced birth baby.
filben7
Why? Im pro abortion, pro birth control, pro sex education.I am also pro-no blaming poor people for not doing enough house other poor people
filben7
Maybe rich pricks building fucking space ships as a god damn hobby can pay some fucking taxes and we can use that to house people?!
lcwilliams1
While I feel for a lot of those people; a lot of those people chose a life of hard drugs. That is not my fault.
MarlenaWatches
A lot of those people chose hard drugs to escape how shit their lives were, then ended up hooked, criminalized, and swept out of sight. JFC
MarlenaWatches
You're a real goddamn peach, williams. Just a shining example of compassion and humanity. Scrolling through your comments has been a treat
lcwilliams1
Lol. I get some of your points. I do believe everyone deserves a fair shake. I just disagree with you on how that's accomplished.
lcwilliams1
Focus should be put on education and putting programs in place where people have the opportunity to choose success.
MarlenaWatches
The folks most in line with your way of thinking are currently gutting our primary education programs. Congratulations. Muting you now.
lcwilliams1
If that is there and people still choose drugs/crime; that is their choice. My obligation stops there. It's definitely not there yet.