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Sep 20, 2017 10:25 AM
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Eireman4Ever
Ken Burns (so far) has done a great job with this series.
WhiteOthello
the fucked up thing is how we're basically doing the same thing in Afghanistan right now.
tal66
So you can only imgen what the indians Felt like
Raumance
Spoilers come on.
LaughingLune
I live in Vietnam and so many are still so effected by the war. It's amazing how friendly they are even after finding out I am from the U.S
DetectiveSloth
This documentary series has Ken Burns and so far has been amazing. Please watch it.
ISeePupper
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LaBix
Erm, I don't think his comparison at the end works right. Probably closer to the natives being kicked out of their homes and land by settler
SexyPajamas
That's what I was expecting to read, but maybe it's more of a focus here in Canada.
ydwoh
Future me, look up this series and watch it
GoldenWupper
This is Ken Burns!?! I love his documentaries.
thedissident
Look up the Madman Theory. Richard Nixon was on the verge of throwing the US into a nuclear war over Vietnam.
buffalosnowcrash
Then Watergate happened, Dems in Congress abandoned S Vietnam, and the North invaded and rounded up all the educated SV and killed them.
apolloin
Moreover, you ever wonder if the redcoats felt the same way as the Marines in vietnam. Baffled by what seemed pointless hatred.
CotterPyke
yeah im watchin this. Its real good. They are telling the whole rotten story as it unfolded, the first "Forever war" of America
TheLannistersSendALovelyFruitBasket
If that's who I think it is, he wrote a great book on his time there too
Blastergv9
My pops was a green beret in Vietnam. He's patriotic but talked me out of military because he got spit on when he got back to the states
Blastergv9
And my hatred for the media continues to this day for their lack of integrity
lionsilverwolf
My FIL was MP in Nam and it destroyed his health. He's been hangin with Grim for the last ten years, easy. We did bad things there :(
Begotten
It wasn't
infamousxiii
The people we were there to "help" were often told propoganda like that we were deamons or cannibals. same in ww2.
AlrightKeepYourSecrets
Its not like US soldiers were innocent as far as civilian casualties went though.:.
infamousxiii
well I know from experience what it's like when the bystanders and enemy militants dress the same and carry the same rifles.
AlrightKeepYourSecrets
Never said its easy. But i doubt all the fear was from propaganda.
infamousxiii
There's a lot of anti foreigner stuff in asia even against different ethnic Asians. In ww2 okinawa, fathers were killing their families.
TheMagnificentSpud
Hmm. British colonialist weren't exactly 'foreign' at that point. Nothing like as alien as US troops were to the Vietnamese.
goirish86
colonists attacking native americans would be more accurate i think
houndfriedchicken
Well, yeah, they weren't foreign at all, considering the colonists were still practically British at the time. It's an awful comparison.
CatsIsTheAnswer
You gotta praise the effort, the guy had an enlightenment but didn't have a good example at hand
AbsolutelyNotTheNSA
Fair enough. I'll allow it.
wifibowtie
Ehh, it was a colony of France and fought a war against them. Dudes in pj's were shooting white guys for a while before we showed up
molotovb
You're not wrong, but it was never the same level of exposure. French war was far more limited, not too mention the technology level and
molotovb
sheer level of destruction due to the difference in firepower.
Promethianfire
Granted. But for an American soldier in 1964, it remains a profound thought.
molotovb
Read/watch interviews with Vietnamese veterans or civilians. The alien type of reaction was absolutely real. One vet said he was the size
molotovb
of an American soldier's thigh. He was completely at a loss as to how they could win the war. They were called green giants for a reason.
GoldenWupper
This is Ken Burns!?! I love his documentaries.
tarataqa
me too!
HiImBabyCookie
I was literally just watching this!!
Jarinthunder
ditto
lawideas
Liberals are stuck in the 1960s. That was their heyday and they don't want to admit that things have changed over the past 50 years. ~(1)
lawideas
(4) Put simply, modern liberals are stuck in their ways. There's an irony there.
lawideas
(2) So they approach race issues like they did in the 60's, assuming their opposition is like it was in the 60's.
lawideas
(3) They focus on conflicts and political issues from the 60's. They still venerate Kennedy and shit-talk Nixon.
lobosrul
Maybe try watching the doc before you assume Kennedy is venerated.
CryptBeast
But did he 'nade the bunker tho?
Writingthiswhileonthwtoilet
Pretty powerful documentary. Listening to some talk really gets you in the feels.
JonSAlberta
Even Obama approved military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria.
tarataqa
Thanks, Obama
Locolarue
If you look at who got us into more wars, the Democrats are really the slightly more "pro-war" party.
MultiplePersonalitiesProfile
Well at least the English Colonialists didn't have napalm and airplanes...
12rt2345g342563
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_revolt_against_the_British
Thesimpleman
Or agent Orange
odiervr
Just elected agent Orange :(
tarataqa
Nope, we had small pox blankets. :-\
MultiplePersonalitiesProfile
Oh, that's bad...
ChloeStarshine
Turns out that threat was overblown. The only documented incident of that was an asshole fort commander who was brainstorming dick ideas.
ChloeStarshine
(Although, I've just discovered my earlier research was skewed by semantics. The British military used smallpox blankets. Americans did not)
AnIdiotWhoShouldBeShot
How does this show compare to Band of Brothers?
wqpsu
Well one is a HBO dramatic re-enactment and one is a Ken Burns documentary. Kind of apples and oranges.
tarataqa
*Kind of apples and Agent Orange.
HistoryRangerofParkImgur
You mean one is an HBO dramatic re-enactment and the other is historical pornography by Ken Burns
EadEchiC
Be prepared. If we're not careful this is going to happen all over again.
mickeyluv
Yes it's horribly true but history does repeat itself
CotterPyke
17 years in two wars plus syria, no end in sight, no goals, no objectives, and nothing achieved? Yes it IS happening over again
SomeSorcerer
This statement is unfortunately nearly true for almost anything in history.
Arliem
It can't happen again. We are rewriting history to forget it happened in the first place. That way when it happens it will be the first time
Arliem
Sponsored by the Fonda Estate.
Datmurdaa
Basically already is, we're doing 7 interventions with no clear end game whatsoever, and 16 year olds know nothing else but America at war.
KillingTlme
Remember, the first 5 years of your life are pretty much a blank slate by the time you are 18, so it probably goes to 22 year olds.
DetectiveSloth
Literally the same things they say in this documentary about Vietnam were the same things said before Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.
buckbuckbuckybuck
*27 year olds. I have never not known war. Sometimes they called them police actions. But I can't think of a time I remember peace.
cobragrunt
Not really much war when compared to everything before. Hell we should just drop all 7 and call it a millennium. Never step in again I say.
Datmurdaa
Either make an achievable goal and actually stick to it, or pull out, that's my two cents on it
cobragrunt
Well then, I guess we better start using the pull out method.
cyrilzeta
To be fair, that's normal: https://www.globalresearch.ca/america-has-been-at-war-93-of-the-time-222-out-of-239-years-since-1776/5565946
Datmurdaa
True but how many of those were justified in self defense rather than wanting control over resources land ect.
cyrilzeta
Well, you look at the list and you tell me.
Datmurdaa
Very few I would imagine WWII is the only one that comes to mind that was justified for self defense
VonKripplespac
This show is so amazing! Really gives you insight on both sides of the war.
SanKa13
Is it a documentary show or?
jenniferlawrenceisabear
Ken Burns does it best.
one1deuce
Where are you watching this?
VonKripplespac
Forgot what channel but on cable on PBS
one1deuce
Thanks
nero4ty2
you can stream it on the PBS app on apple tv/roku/fire etc
one1deuce
Thanks
MultiplePersonalitiesProfile
Amazing who it's still hard for us Americans to accept we were bad guys in Vietnam.
mojo69
*our government. Not us
tarataqa
As an American, we've always been the bad guy. #SmallPoxBlankets
fnordgasm5
To be fair, there are precious few countries either currently or historically who could be considered "good guys". The US is the lesser evil
tarataqa
Which one are we? https://68.media.tumblr.com/f87d5662d5db3cab634acd1a9284eed6/tumblr_inline_o0ceosGKUI1ru1o4q_500.gif
MultiplePersonalitiesProfile
Easy there man, one truth at a time ????
justwannarunaway
After all these years....still act like a world police. Sorry, I mean “world police”.
tarataqa
I don't see anyone else stepping up to police the world. Lol
justwannarunaway
I don’t call override UN and start war a world police work
Irreal
Maybe we need less of a world police and more a world social worker
tarataqa
Maybe we need One Government to Rule Them All.
justwannarunaway
we should focus more on nation wide you know. Rebuild the roads and develop public service. I rather spend money on these instead of war
tarataqa
First, you need to convince all our corporations that use US influence in 3rd world countries to make them money.
justwannarunaway
Well, there goes the mission failure