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EdwardStarsmith
Stop electing people who say govt doesn't work. They prove themselves right.
DownvotesRmyBadgeUvadge
So if you don't trust FEMA to get them to where they will protect the most at-risk workers, fine. Give them away. You know best, of course.
FeyLily
Given some of the statements from US leadership, it's not the worst choice tbh.
FeyLily
for example: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-suggests-coronavirus-aid-to-governors-that-treat-us-well-2020-3
FeyLily
Or https://www.wtkr.com/news/national/white-house-coronavirus-task-force-to-hold-daily-briefing-after-trump-signs-stimulus-bill
tReasonoustRump
Hospitals weren’t stealing anything. The government was stealing. It was all projection.
beaubrent
If they don’t work and people die, who gets blamed? You or the government that didn’t check?
ruferto
that said, this delay wasnt about safety inspections, it was bullshit poliitics
onewallpaperaweek
NR2K
It's setup that way so one hospital doesn't get all of them when they are needed elsewhere.. so they are distributed where needed..
Subutia
The Republican government, ladies and gentlemen. Fixed that for you.
numbonvalium
PPE is now going through FEMA because individuals states got a bit fucked over being outbid by the federal government.
Rajonrondodoesnotsweat
I work for Boston Medical Center, currently volunteering doing PPE procurement - we accept it directly as do most other Boston hospitals
RisingPhoenix92
Question: Any point to donating a pair of chem lab goggles that have been used in a Orgo lab at college.
Rajonrondodoesnotsweat
Yes! There's a eye protection shortage and they are taking goggles. Are you boston based?
RisingPhoenix92
Marlborough, asked a few friends that work at the hospitals but they are the ones doing the care not familiar with what is in storage.
Rajonrondodoesnotsweat
https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/03/17/donations-masks-hospitals-ppe - link to the MA donation site at the bottom
RisingPhoenix92
Thank you :)
NoisyRhysling
any sauce?
MaxCliffRAID1
Sauce please. Or no up vote.
CatsUpvoteTerror
Fema is the coordinating unit to distribute supply so they go to where they are needed the most and not just the places near your place
Girl2Bad
Well this is not true, our state has been begging for PPE for weeks, check how much Florida has gotten this week - more than even asked for
frickenunbelievable
That is what is pissing off all the governors. The federal stockpile takes all PPE and puts it in Trumps control. Then he demands they kiss
pullingsaiyantails
Totally bro. Everything is his fault. If only he wouldn't have created this virus and unleashed it on the world
kuriosly
And did you hear? Now Trump is trying to set off Yellowstone! The Horror!
pullingsaiyantails
Hes such a piece of crap. I wish I lived in China so I could actuallyrespect my glorious leader. ;(
kuriosly
Its hard not to respect Winne the Pooh when you live in China.
pullingsaiyantails
Lol! Whatever bro. If you speak against him, he just sends you on vacation. He's awesome.
Kalmbach
If only he hadn't disbanded the office of the NSC specifically created to handle this type of crisis.
pullingsaiyantails
He didnt. He moved it under another department head
Kalmbach
Okay, which department head?
pullingsaiyantails
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/28/michael-bloomberg/did-donald-trump-fire-pandemic-officials-defund-cd/
TheyDontKnowAndYouCantTellEm
...his orange ass.
burningitchyrash
Except that's not. what's. happening..
Hybris51129
"B...Bu...But Orange man bad!" *Imgurian screams intensify* "Stop using facts to break my narrative!" *Imgurian screams intensify again*
burningitchyrash
I mean.. you can just feel that vibe thru the screen.. lol
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
He literally told them to be more appreciative while undercutting their requests and overfilling others. He has FEMA making bids on 1/2
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
medical supplies against states instead of having FEMA as the purchaser for the nation for the duration of this to prevent price gouging.2/2
ImHereToGetDownvotes
Yep. Florida has gotten 100% of their order filled twice while other states hit harder like NY, NJ, and CA get ~10% of there orders 1/?
benreilly73
It's almost as though the WH should be proactively removing roadblocks and providing leadership but just...isn't...
evilcarp
They have to make sure Obama had nothing to do with it.
burningitchyrash
His company makes parts for vents AND PPE? And the CEO said "Fuck FEMA". Who believes this blatant bullshit?
VirginSurgeon
The federal government is the LEAST efficient way to get anything done
RisingPhoenix92
Agreed ever since McConnell made Republicans the party of No the federal government has stalled where it counts.
Kalmbach
When you elect people who claim that government is the problem, then government will be the problem.
Banjooie
The American one is. Weird how South Korea and Singapore seem to have things under control.
TygrF
Both are far more authoritarian than the US. Never forget the seesaw of freedom vs security.
HommeDeBois
This is why the Trump admin dragging their feet on the response is such a big deal. They should have been gearing up in January, not now
Chainhealer
We should really hear all sides before coming to any conclusions...
grantavius
You will need to file the proper forms first.
sgtxsarge
I can assure you the Internet does not work this way. *lights pitchfork on fire*
NoisyRhysling
Does Imgur work that way? Does ANY of this work that way?
MrRandom314159
What sucks is that I understand.They need to inspect those things to make sure they're up to standard.Or it could expose doctors to disease.
Girl2Bad
You don't think they are already being exposed do to lack of PPE? over 60 doctors in italy are now DEAD...
MrRandom314159
Type II errors kill. I'm not saying don't send them out, but doctors need to know what they have and what's effective.
Girl2Bad
Or they could do what the f'n CDC experts suggested and wear bandanas. I want those experts to work side by side with them in bandanas!
Rhacodactylus
Conservatives in government will not let good things happen, they need to stall so they can find their grift first.
SatanGoatWhore
This is literally the opposite of conservatives in government. This is the "big" government the liberals want. Take it in.
Jarjarthejedi
Yeah, those darn liberals, ramping up spending, increasing surveillance on its citizens, imposing tariffs to control private companies...
Jarjarthejedi
Oh wait, no, those were all done or started by people in power who called themselves conservatives, weren't they? Reagan, Bush, Trump...
Jarjarthejedi
There is no "small government" party in the USA. Just one that's up front about big gov, and one that lies and pretends to be about small
Jarjarthejedi
government while ramping everything up dramatically every single time they have power. Stop lying to yourself.
UsernameAlreadyTaken058
You're confusing conservative politicians' public virtue signalling with what they actually want/do. Always judge them for what they do.
Miller16of16
And then point to how inefficient it as an example of...how inefficient government is.
xxoctavianxx
is it because they have to be inspected? Is this your first time making this equipment?
HurricanesNukeBack
Oh dang, I forgot to add to my comment how horrible Trump is so I can gain more imaginary points. My bad, ya’ll! Trump stinks and all that
Weepingangel33
FEMA isn't in charge of inspection and has a history of withholding aid in times of need.
AwesomeName
That's not my understanding of "negotiation period"
Tifandi
FEMA seized a couple hundred ventilators on order for Massachusetts. There is some dirty business going down.
Zatherous
It couldn't possible be Captain Orange making sure states that kiss his ass get supplies first. Also, "that woman" isn't getting anything.
krpdubya
Yeah, Carole fuckin baskin doesn’t get SHIT!
SomeDetroitGuy
FEMA has been price shopping - they killed a deal with GM/Ventec to buy 80,000 ventilators because of the price tag ($1 billion).
Obietrice
They actually don't need to be right now, they waved liability laws to get them out faster, we are so short supplied that anything is better
Obietrice
Than nothing at this point.
JustSayingYouHaventSeenMeAndBatmanInTheSameRoomBefore
waived
Botticelliii
Waives back* Hi!
GnowledgedGnome
I would imagine it's because fema wanted to be sure the hospitals most in need got them and the company wasn't price gouging
PoorSucker
No, it only goes to certain states, it's a two way thingy
HurricanesNukeBack
Negotiation in government is for contracting. The government cannot exceed a limited cost ($10000) without sending the “contract” for bids
HurricanesNukeBack
From competing companies. So, yes, a contract can sit for 30 days while the government allows other companies to try to undercut
saicho
I think the donation completely undercuts everyone, unless others pay hospitals to let them send them PPE.
HurricanesNukeBack
I wouldn’t disagree, but this is the FED... a donation is still a good/service received.
fozzibab
What aspect of FEMA's performance in the recent past has convinced you to consider them a competent organization?
fozzibab
No, this is about leverage and power. FEMA's director is a Trump puppet, and he has been directed to maintain control. This is about money.
Jagerbeast
Looks like they are "donating" them.
GnowledgedGnome
To me it sounded likr they were originally going to sell them but when they thought it would take longer decided on donation
ArtOzz
What part of this very short posting sounded like selling them?
Coyote8
The part where it's a company making them and that's what companies do, charge for a product.
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
In theory. Unfortunately trust in FEMA has been degraded because their boss likes to play favorites with lives.
BreakablePotato
You're not being nice to their boss. We're moving your name lower on the list.
Tyaldan
For reals. Trump is killing americans because of his fragile ego. Its just more obvious because of the pandemic now.
ArtemisFolly
I don't trust FEMA because of Deus Ex: Human Revolution
maninthedarkness
Hey, they had nothing to do with those mercenary cyborgs. Just because they were using that facility meant no collusion.
idontknowhowthissiteworks
Katrina was a pretty big wake up call for the reaction time on FEMA. That was almost 15 years and several natural disasters ago.
korfjoy
It’s because Trump is trying to stall to let his family’s companies get the government contracts
sweetnaivety
Didn't trump say his companies would be excluded?
oddoregano
Source
korfjoy
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/kushner-coronavirus-testing-oscar-company/609139/
StatisticallyInsignificantCanadian
"Kushner may have mingled his family’s business interests with his political interests..." The senate wouldn't bother with witnesses anyway.
caine224
This has nothing to do with ppe, so nothing to do with the original claim.
Tentrees
While I am super anti-Trump, unless i'm gravely mistaken this article is about a website that was made, not PPE or even cvirus test?
armorhide406
Who downvoted? One of the motherfuckers who says everything they disagree with is biased?
TomBrokaw
This is what corruption looks like.
ThisSiteUsedtobeCool
His company is totally at liberty to donate them to anyone they want. If they want to be paid for the gear, they have to follow procedure.
CatsUpvoteTerror
This isn't a good thing. This is how hard hit hospitals don't get the supplies but we'll connected ones do
Thisisnotreallymyname
Yeah, willing to bet the hospitals in poor neighborhoods will get their stuff last.
Lowslefthand
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the negotiations help distribute them to areas that aren't near docks or soley richer areas.
JustChargeYourDamnPhone
Potentially, but then all requests have to come in and get funneled and prioritized. And who’s being thankful this week? 300k masks, really?
techguy651
"Negotiations" help distribute them to places with voters who favor current political leaders.
Taxicat
In theory? Yes. In current practice? Nope. They seem to be going to whichever states kiss Trump’s ass the hardest.
ImNotStalkingYouBTWYoureOutOfMilk
Apparently they were "divided near equally and shipped to major hospitals in NYC, Detroit, New Orleans, and LA as gifts."
ImNotStalkingYouBTWYoureOutOfMilk
https://twitter.com/LanceUSA70/status/1245171573771788288
burningitchyrash
Comes back as "Sorry! That page doesn't exist!".. 'nuff said..
ImNotStalkingYouBTWYoureOutOfMilk
He deleted them, (inluding the first tweet in the post) Seems they got doxxed https://twitter.com/LanceUSA70/status/1245403709531492353
burningitchyrash
Yeah.. getting doxxed is a risk when you post bullshit..
Jesterok35
Oh Hell YEAH you do!!! Now run with it and start using specific names to slander!!! Make me proud now!!!
ShadeEmberi
probs got to red states that are nice to him >_>
DrKriegersClone
Or are swing states in November, depending who you ask how the decisions are being made.
Taxicat
Michigan’s a swing state, but they have a female Democratic governor who criticized Trump, so they’re not getting any either.
secondtalon
Or, hell - the price of them? Are the negotiations to stop the fabled $500 Hammer?
flistdumpnumberonemillion
I saw Cuomo on TV the other day saying that currently states have to bid against each other to get equipment (driving up prices). Presumably
flistdumpnumberonemillion
going through FEMA prevents this as there's just one buyer and nobody has to high bid anybody. However, FEMA is federal, so, lolbadpresident
flistdumpnumberonemillion
lot of you fuckers voted to be dead I guess, good job, feel bad for the people who voted to be alive but still die though
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CatsUpvoteTerror
Hospitals not near these guys warehouse aren't gonna have access
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ACSwineburne
You know that's what negotiations are for, right? It's not just screaming about price. It's figuring out the details... ya know, logisitcs.
CatsUpvoteTerror
Yeah. That's what Fema is doing. Literally the thing they are avoiding to give to "whatever hospital".
CatsUpvoteTerror
The how point of this post is praising a guy who bragging about not using the logistics channels that get supplies to where the need to go
purplepenguinpeter
Bureaucracy. This is why even more government is not a great idea.
ReasonablySorryButNotTooMuch
You dont need *more* government, you need *better* government. Now guess which party increases size and expenditure of government most? /1
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Wasn't there a post with graphs showing the GOP is the offender? With sarcastically written "Obama's socialist hellscape" over his section?
RisingPhoenix92
This is why its important to have a plan in place and proper leaders.
TuggSpeedmann
My biggest worry is what they are reaching for during this crisis that we won’t see until things are taken care of. This is what media 1/2
TuggSpeedmann
2/2 should be the watchdogs on.
TygrF
bUt MuH mEdiCaRe fOuR aLL!!
mickison
What exactly happens during the negotiation period?
candiduscorvus
They lose them as the CEO decides to donate them instead.
Coyote8
They determine where they are most needed and distribute accordingly.
LizardEnterprises
People die.
Banjooie
Trump decides which states were 'nice to him'.
Govote
You can check your voter registration at vote.gov
Govote
Apply for an absentee ballot here www.vote.org/absentee-ballot
adinfinitumlyly
Another tweet from someone I don’t know about a nameless company? I think I have all the details I need to form an opinion.
NoeCarrier
I too place the greatest stock on personal anecdotes and simple explanations that make me feel good to rail against, righteous indignation.
lancelot027
Well you have come to the right place!
NoeCarrier
I especially trust it if the person is older than I am, the same gender and fits closely in my preferred ethnic group, highly truthy.
NoeCarrier
Does anyone have any low quality videos of people filmed with their front facing smartphone cameras to tell me how to feel about things?
NoeCarrier
Extra bonus points if the video features blurry evidence on a computer screen filmed directly, in the dark and on a dirty monitor.
NoeCarrier
I am literally incapable of trusting anyone with a university education
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VodkaReindeer
How did you arrive at that number?
Jusmar
They claimed 374 Complaints were filed against them overnight because of their post.
azgrak
Names are always the thing missing, even from regular news stories. Who at FEMA did they talk to. Probably not someone named Fema.
RonnieKielbasa
I can't find anything to corroborate this story. Tbf I'm borderline retarded. Maybe someone else will find something.
Jusmar
RandomActOfConfusion
The misinformation around this whole event has been overwhelming.
PhunPhact
It's the real virus.
ActionJohnnie
I’m trying to distance myself from this post
Dalael
Look up the FEMA failures during Kathrina. This story here is 100% within the realm of possibilities.
bacci14
??? Kathrina?
TwoAccountsDown
Ah, that settles it, then. It must be true because you can so readily believe that it is. That was easy.
Dalael
I dont immediately believe it no, not without sources. But i dont immediately reject it either.
BungusAmungus
Yeah I agree with you but our gov is shit and I can see this happening
AwesomeTeddybear
But.. but... he started with "as many of y'all know"! Now we have to believe it to fit in!
KirkSteel
I agree with you, but on the other hand, I saw the abysmal response to hurricane Katrina. It was a shitshow that lasted forever.
OctopusStinkhorn
Could be fake, sure. Have we seen enough garbage from this administration to believe this is true? Uh yeah.
TakeTheStairs
i think the company to pay attention to here is called "us gov"
Stephen9000
The skepticism is strong with this one.
LastEverUsername
Well here's an idea... look into it. Do a bit of research (look up the guy, have a look at his history/other tweets), form an opinion!!!!
LastEverUsername
Or just swipe and keep fucking going!
usmc5547
I work in Government acquisitions. The sad truth is that if the USG accepts products or services without some sort of negotiation 1/
usmc5547
It gives companies free license to charge exorbitantly after the fact. It's why you hear about the USG spending 2/
usmc5547
$42,000 on a hammer. Not saying it would happen right now, but it has happened many times in the past. For those interested, 3/
usmc5547
Google "undefinitized contract action" in the Federal Acquisition Regulations 4/
usmc5547
Yes, saving lives is important, but it would become a political football if it came to light that Trump spent $100,000 on each N95 Mask. 5/
JustSayingYouHaventSeenMeAndBatmanInTheSameRoomBefore
My dad worked an an auditor of govt defence contracts for 38 years. He retired earlier than he planned because more and more often they
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thatscool22
But that hammer was a special space hammer or some shit.
HalfOpenSkies
No that hammer required a shit ton of paperwork. Welcome to the federal government.
Frenchgeek
All those people dying without submitting the proper forms, a nightmare for bureaucrats...
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
They're reprimanding the dead for mislabeled paperwork like
grumpy173
NO NO NO NO - not the government. The tangerine turd.
gradeD
& the Republican Senate led my McConnell. & the Supreme Court sadly. & the corporate dems. We need gvmt in crises but market > gvmt to them.
n0n53n53
Medicare for all tho, right?
Quylein
This seems like the Movie Brazil quote
vladimirpurrtin
TUTTLE. NOT BUTTLE.
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
27B/6
birkenstocksarerad
BRAAAAZZIILLLLLL
Ephess
Where hearts were entertaining Juuuuune
mmaheshwary
Vogons say they need to be in triplicate.
kmikl
.. is that before or after it's buried in peat for 3 years, then lost, and then found?
ServaDoctrina
And the color of the proper forms? We kept it gray.
kmikl
It's actually Goldenrod. The yellow forms go to accounting, you keep the harvest gold ones.
vanelanjenkins
Don't quote me on regulations
McGangBangOG
Great banana from Havana! The central bureaucracy isn't going to like this.
bloodtaker3
Phil LaMarr, voice of Hermes Conrad, played Marvin (exploded head) in Pulp Fiction.
Sm9yCg
No no no. You got that all wrong. You have to force the virus to follow correct procedure by filling out five forms before infection.
TheLegionofDoom
As a bureaucrat I can tell you...they get the proper forms after death....too dark? Too soon? Both?...fuck it, post
Mobius96
IllBeDamnedifIGotoHell
Lmao yeah my mom got a parking ticket on the day of her funeral. Their neighbors are horrible and called the cops because her car was too
IllBeDamnedifIGotoHell
Close to the corner. We moved it out there to make room for grieving family. People are the worst.
kmikl
That's where you call the city and tell them their fence is built on the wrong side of the property line.
Frenchgeek
And now I'm picturing DEATH asking you to fill the proper forms in triplicate before allowing you to go to the other side...
youknowthatonepersonwiththeface
Theres a part like his in Mortality Bridge where the protagonist comes to a part of hell reserved for bureaucrats. He meets Kafka there.
Frenchgeek
"NO SIR, UNTIL THE FORMS ARE FILLED OUT, YOU ARE *NOT* 'DEAD' ; MERELY NO LONGER AMONG THE LIVING."
TheLegionofDoom
Now you're getting it. Triplicate for three different entities. Good after life, bad afterlife (nondenominational) and Death!
B44a
Sir if you don't sign in the next 30 days you will be sent to hauntings. This is a final warning.
NonstopRampage
As a normal person... What are you people even good for? Do you just... purposefully hold up the government for bad faith actors?
TheLegionofDoom
An excellent question. It's actually hard to be a good bureaucrat, that's why most of us suck shit at their jobs. It's easier for them.
TheLegionofDoom
And makes it harder for you. I'm DoD, admin/info mgt. Basically I'm the 1 source conduit for getting the right info up/down the chain
TheLegionofDoom
Lots of glamorous forms, lists, paperwork processes, etc. But I dont let my folks drown in the machine. I walk them through it
Exevium
Imagine if they survive! Do you know how much paperwork living people are?
zenoshogun
CoeusDarksoul
from*
KillingTlme
Where's Hermes when you need him?
JaketheLate
Are you kidding! It's great for them! Now they get to fill out the the H-3LP "lack of proper death forms" form! That's so many forms!
lovehandlesmessiah
Goddamn Vogons.
grumpy173
https://imgur.com/account/favorites/nDIX81z
trapperjohnmd
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a4/67/07/a46707532d07e1129d124fce64c71508.jpg
FIuxuation
“They wouldn’t even lift a finger to save their own grandmothers from the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal without orders signed -
FIuxuation
in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried -
FIuxuation
in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters.”