Protest in Hungary against the "slavery law", freedom of press and many more

Dec 18, 2018 12:40 PM

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More info and sources at the end of post.

Many of the people are against the authoritarian ruling of Viktor Orban and his party Fidesz, we have had a bunch of protest - organized by the people - earlier but they went mostly unnoticed by international media.

Now the opposition started to collaborate and have united their forces, most of them went to the protests. Left, far-right and even parties representing the minority went; their leaders, their voters, their sympathizers and people without a party were there together in one huge crowd - this has never happened before.

The protests held for/against more than only one thing, these include:
* against Overtime Act - so-called "slave law", raising the legal limit of yearly overtime from 250 to 400 hours, allowing employer to delay payment for up to 36 months or giving day offs instead.
* against administrative courts - a separate court system, which will decide in cases concerning decisions of Hungarian authorities, under control of Minister of Justice.
* for joining the European Public Prosecutor's Office (EPPO) - it would have right to investigate regarding corruption cases (we have plenty of it and the Chief Prosecutor is a former Fidesz party member, shrugging of most of accusations unpleasant to Fidesz).
* for reducing the overtime of police forces - to keep below EU limits.
* for restoration of independence of public media - it is now completely ignoring opposing parties, spreading propaganda of the ruling party.

The protests - apart from minor things - were peaceful but firm.

Of course the ruling party and the state televisions (controlled by them) are repeating their own version of reality about "foreign provocateurs" and "Soros network".

Momentum Mozgalom (Momentum Movement, one of the main organizer parties) just posted a video with English subtitles about the protests:
https://www.facebook.com/momentum.mozgalom/videos/221539305404806/

The Newsmakers' video (thanks @brett248vista):
https://youtu.be/NR759RlvJSY

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UPDATE 1: added Momentum's video.

UPDATE 2: President of the Republic János Áder signed the bill of Overtime Act - expect more protests and update posts.

UPDATE 3: added "The protests held for/against" part.

UPDATE 4: added The Newsmakers' video

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I didn't want to write much as I can't express myself in subjects like these properly in English, just a few words.

I kept the dates and twitter handles on the screensots so you can find them easily. But even easier to do a quick google search for "hungary protest":
https://www.google.com/search?q=hungary+protest&ie=UTF-8

Sources:
https://index.hu/english/2018/12/12/administrative_courts_minister_of_justice_unprecedented_powers_independence_separation_of_power/
https://index.hu/english/2018/12/16/protest_sunday_budapest_overtime_act_judicial_independence_opposition_fidesz_orban/
https://index.hu/english/2018/12/20/overtime_act_slave_law_signed_janos_ader_president_2019_protests_general_strike/

English edition of the biggest local independent news site:
https://index.hu/english/

More:
https://english.atlatszo.hu/

State news:
https://www.hirado.hu/rovatok/in-english/

Deserve the support of all liberals and Democrats is a little douchey. Your average conservative doesn't support slavery or dictators.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

I really hope you can make a difference! Because around the globe, bastards are on the rise v

7 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 6

Great work! Keep on fighting.

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Sounds like the world is gearing up to eat the rich and powerful.

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Ah, the classic alt right response from the Orban regime: "Soros network."

7 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

Right? That's the big conspiracy theory among the far right in the US right now too

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Missed the best bit of the law where they don't have to pay them for that over time for upto 3 years

7 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 0

I can understand being outraged enough to protest!

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Leave it to VOX to throw in issues with immigration, even though its not why this is happening

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

First time I've heard of protests in Hungary. Mostly just heard about France because its gotten so bad their that police are protesting now.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

There were some earlier this year over immigration laws and the removal of gender studies programs and attacking universities iirc.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yep. And many for the CEU. I lived in Budapest for 3 years until last year and marched a few. Sad times with Orban in charge.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Good luck from Poland. We have an authoritarian regime in the making as well. I really hope you guys make a breakthroug and show us the way.

7 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

7 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 1

Your English is definitely better than my Hungarian! Köszi.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

1)There is a limestone quarry where i live. A lot of people i know work there. If you dont work overtime everyday they will fire you. Somone

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

died recently on a night shift and they finally got a day off. They are literally working their employees to death.

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Btw they also have to work everyday. Not a single day off for months. They get paid well but it seems criminal.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Pro tip: don't work there

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Hungarians have to work more: *people lose their shit*. Romanian government 'takes over' the judiciary power: *gets a warning from the EU*

7 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 9

Hungary's been getting yelled at by the EU since about the time the immigration shebang happened. But "Ohmagawd dem immigrants!" was louder.

7 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 3

That moment when the immigrants can't pass and they stay in your country and prevents your work force from collapsing. Good guy Hungary

7 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

To be fair this shit started with Judicial tampering

7 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Keep the posts coming OP. Love hearing updates straight from the source

7 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 1

Well... János Áder (President of the Republic (?)), the last one in the process of bringing a law into effect just signed the change. 1/2

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

So another major protest is planned for tomorrow evening. I guess I will have some updates soon. 2/2

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

@OP As a german: anything we can do to help?

7 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 2

Thank you, really, but I guess we've to solve this on our own. Raising awareness, not believing our leaders at face value wd be most helpful

7 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

7 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 0

Hey Europe, It's me Germany.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not Hungarian, but maybe you guys could speed up work on the Angie Mk.II project? The last one seemed to work decently well.

7 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

...is there anything *besides* that we can do to help? (also it feels really strange to see some praise for her)

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Well, her contemporaries are Vlad, Viktor "(((Soros!)))" Orban and the Annoyingly Scary Orange. At this point, I'll take what I can get.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

As a german: I'm once again surprised that i learn about this kind of demonstrations/riots from imgur first instead of some news outlet.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Funny how that happens worldwide

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I just checked the ARD (state television) feed as well as another outlet i have an subscription for and nothing about this in either...

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Point taken, but just as with the yellow vests, one would expect ongoing coverage not two articles half a week back.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's less interesting when it's the government potentially threatening dissidents.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It was on Tagesschau and every established media reported on it.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"soft fasicm" fucking lol

7 years ago | Likes 78 Dislikes 17

maybe "fascism in its infancy"... although babies are soft... I think, I've never met one.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Vox is garbage.

7 years ago | Likes 65 Dislikes 14

Vox is indeed garbage. It's for people (followers) who don't know *how* to think, but want to sound like they did independent research.

7 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 2

And that's not to say I disagree with all of their views, but it is definitely a "Here is what you should believe" type blog. Not journalism

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 3

I always see it as "here's why this is a problem" they also link their sources for each video and have stuff to back it up.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

How is "soft fascism" inappropriate?

7 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 9

You are either fascist or not. This guy colluded with companies to force employees into manditory overtime. If that ain't fascisism...

7 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 5

The label isn't being used just because of this one overtime issue

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 2

His actions are really authoritarian. Independent speech gets bought out or punished. Dev can describe that as soft fascism

7 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 3

being able to force employees to work to work any amount of overtime is inexcusable! the fuck is this shit???

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

I guess this is a place to ask; Is a broken society the reason for the rise of Authoritarianism?

7 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

I think it also is a far to comfortable "non broken" system that can lead to a dictator....

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The fear of losing culture and identity due to globalization, plus the static society.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Eastern Europe is a weird case. Most of it went fascist in the 1940s, then went communist without ever really dealing with the fascist (1)

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Also a symptom of a populist relying on the government( to provide for their needs. Once they start, the govs power grows unchecked 1/

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

and personal freedoms being to slowly go away under the guise of this will provide safety, comfort etc. People generally notice 2/

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

when it almost too late 3/

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

past. So when the Warsaw Pact dissolved, they all hated communism but didn't have a problem with extreme right gouvernments. (2)

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I think much of it had to do with pro German sentiment after WW1 - resulted from the way the invading Germans treated them vs their own govt

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I think it begins with a smart populist who can convince people to elect him, while discrediting candidates and parties, splintering them.

7 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 1

Wait you didnt answer his question.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Check my replies below this one.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It never begins with the populist. The populist channels pre-existing sentiments into a cohesive party--they're a symptom, not the illness.

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

And then he can start making changes bit by bit to make it harder and harder for others to compete, while keeping the good guy public face.

7 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

But yeah, it only works if people don't care about it in the middle-long term until it is late. IMHO.

7 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

So like several of the recent Elections in America...? Political Mudslinging, bullying, potentially rigged elections, payoffs, etc...?

7 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

For elections we had 78 parties, lot of fake, around 5 is over 1% support. Also Fidesz made it nearly immpossible for others to reach out.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Fake: no offices, no websites, no crew, only candidates who grab the money and disappear after election. Many with misleading names.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

So I think it'd be a very important law for elections that no mudslinging is allowed, and if caught, you're disqualified from running. (1/2)

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I mean, if you can't act like an adult to get the position, I'm not sure you really deserve it. (2/2)

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

According to a Hungarian friend of mine on these protests: "So a few days ago, there was a protest infront of our Parliment"

7 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

After which people just disappeared, Nowhere to be found. The parents of a young man (I think he's like freshman in university or something)

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

tried calling the police repeatedly. The police didn't have him. So then the mother even put in word to the police that her son is now a (3

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

missing person and they should try and locate him. Still nothing Now it turns out THEY HAD HIM IN FUCKING CUSTODY ALL THIS TIME. Meanwhile(4

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

it's documented that people's lawyers showed up to police presincts after the protesters were arrested, demanded to see their clients (5)

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

the police wouldn't let them, claim their client wasn't there while the clients (the arrested protesters) were screaming through the walls(6

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Miklos Horthy would be proud of him.

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

The gov. response reminds me so much of how our own Slovak gov. retaliated when we had protests earlier. Keep strong, southern barátok!

7 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

This almost made me cry! Thank you, friend!

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Exhibit 1 when people say protestors should never have to cover their faces

7 years ago | Likes 179 Dislikes 18

Protesters are welcome to, rioters are not, big difference. You start throwing rocks and you're now a masked criminal.

7 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 7

Things aren't black and white. Plenty of situations where 5 guys on the edge throw some rocks and police round up 200 innocent people

7 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

It's actually a crime to cover your face on a protest in Hungary, and you can see here why.

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 4

Alright, to clear up the confusion: I'm not supporting those bastards in power, just pointing out how they're securing their position.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The reason people cover their faces is because they want to commit crimes without consequences. Usually more serious crimes.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 14

or because of, you know, the exact thing in the tweet I quoted. Extra-judicial targeting of protestors

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 2

Did you consider that the police want to target the people in the tweet due to a crime?

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Still doesn't justify covering your face. ESPECIALLY not in free and democratic societies.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 13

How is restricting what I can wear free?

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

If the free society decides so then that's that.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I think the "free" part in free and democratic societies justifies covering your face. You haven't hurt anyone by doing so. Granted, that-

7 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

makes it harder for police to find you if you are a criminal, and some locales do outlaw masks in public, but the mask itself doesn't do-

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

any actual damage in protests, so if they remain peaceful then it's hard to justify a harsh response/arrests just because of masks.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

"Free and Democratic"™

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Who would have thought they would use it against us? Im shocked/s

7 years ago | Likes 54 Dislikes 4

I think they mean in America. In other places where you clearly get repercussion to include gulag and death I think it's more acceptable

7 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 12

...but you don't think that happens in America?

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I mean, I guess it's true in a way since they have stuff like MIRS...they don't need to ask for people to identify the protesters.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Of course it does, just not as blatantly. And with not S much frequencies as places outside is the US.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Dude, hungary isn't excactly a gulag and death country either. This sort of thing is unacceptable

7 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 1

It might be soon. It was around 30 years ago, and it's actually the same guy who took it down who is now prime minister and wannabe dictator

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Because in america political retaliations are totally unheard of.

7 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Never said that, it just isn't as known about as places like Russia. But ofcourse it happens...EVERY government does.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

this stuff happens in America too. Look at the journos arrested at Trump's inauguration that did nothing wrong, or police publishing the ///

7 years ago | Likes 33 Dislikes 6

Did you know that America recently made the top 5 most dangerous countries for journalists for the first time?

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

details of people they later released with no charges (so they were completely innocent). Sources:

7 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 5

Nice false equivalence.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 16

huh? It's the same type of thing, I didn't say it was the exact same situation

7 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 4

With the extremists in the US who call for the death of people who don't support trump or the GOP, can't blame people for hiding identities.

7 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 13

I've seen far more people call for death against anyone that supports Trump than those who don't. It's all stupid either way.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

Who says that? I hear that a lot more from antifa than right wingers

7 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 11

People like Alex Jones.

7 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 2

Why is it when I say 'extremists' conservatives feel attacked? Should hate these people as much as the rest of us not make excuses for them.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Qanon cultists and the alt-right. Antifa hasn't murdered anyone.

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Not for lack of trying.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 5

Exactly. I’d love to see links to true tales of evil right wingers. On this platform, you and I are in the minority. I revel in my downvotes

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 15

First - great English, better than some native speakers! Second - thank you for providing some insight into what's going on!!

7 years ago | Likes 582 Dislikes 7

This cocksucker Orban gave a Azeri soldier/murderer back to Azerbaijan , who was doing time for ax murder of a fellow military student

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

from Armenia. They were at a NATO sponsored event. He killed the soldier while the guy was asleep. Orban apparently got nice amount of cash

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

from the Azeris to do this. So yeah he is a piece of shit even for none Hungarians. Source below

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Didn't even think they weren't a native speaker. Incredible

7 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 0

Conspiracy theory time.. News outlets are probably less inclined to inform on this and the french riots because it shows that citizens

7 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

can stand together against the government and that's a bad idea to spread to the masses.

7 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Sidenote: The name Victor Orban sounds like a Bond villian.

7 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

I think I found out which car he should take, but sadly it launched in February without him

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Soros network eh? Still hard for me to accept that "The Jews are to blame." is more common in Europe than the States.

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It's been common since they were the first monotheistic religion. They have always been seen as "a nation within a nation" , making them1/2

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

2/2 good scapegoats for a nationalist regime. anti-Semitism seems like it will be alive and well forever.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

1st: it's 400 hours allowed overtime from 250 - that's part of the problem. The even bigger problem is, that your overtime can be paid 1/2

7 years ago | Likes 51 Dislikes 1

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7 years ago (deleted Apr 1, 2021 2:20 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

it was for lowering. YOu can watch the video on facebook, there they state all o their demands

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

the mandatory overtime is pretty standard. The delayed payment is too, What's' unusual about this law is how long the delay can be.

7 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 11

Where do you live?? It's not standard.

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

400 hours?

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Which translates to a little over seven hours overtime a week.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Where is it standard? And that doesn't really make it ok, imo

7 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

The US and EU both have laws that allow it.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

Mandatory overtime is illegal in most Western European countries. Voluntary overtime is allowed though.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Western European countries are all post industrial, Hungary is not not, as such the number of manhours available is much more important.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

China

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

after 3 years! OR NOT! And the biggest BS is, that Orbán used the phrase "People are leaving Hungary, because they can't work enough" 2/3

7 years ago | Likes 56 Dislikes 0

The sad truth is, most people don't receive enough cash to meet their ends meet -and now Orbán just sold everyone out for a small amount 3/4

7 years ago | Likes 40 Dislikes 0

cash,even after he already stole everything from the people of Hungary, and gave it to himself or his "allies".His reign is in the 13th year

7 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 0

That's why we have term limits on president, and should on everything else...

7 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

We're living in interesting times

7 years ago | Likes 67 Dislikes 1

We live in troubled Times.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Hey, your that demon/fallen that keeps showing up in my dreams!

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Well, you're not wrong.

7 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

I think this is a good thing. Hungarians only care about change when you have something to get mad at.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I never understood how "May you live in interesting times" was a curse. I'm beginning to get the picture.

7 years ago | Likes 35 Dislikes 0

In starts to sink in when you just crave a no news day, or just something boring like the headline news would be about a dog show

7 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Miss the days of a 30 minute news show at 6pm vs 24/7

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Hah. Every morning before my commute I pause and wish that I won't hear the name Trump when my radio turns on. I am so rarely gifted this.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I really do hope Hungary shows this dude that younger generations will not simply accept these quasi fascist governments. People will (1/?)

7 years ago | Likes 47 Dislikes 7

oppose them, fight them. I'm Brazilian and going through the same thing. I hope you guys manage to do what we haven't yet. (2/2).

7 years ago | Likes 41 Dislikes 5

What's the ratio of thrilled / concerned Brazilians regarding what's happening in your country right now? Just curious

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

Hey Hungary, what the hell happened? Last i knew you guys were fine? What cause them to hike up overtime? Who voted this guy in?

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Ironically, Budapest is where he has the least public foothold. But much like trump, the rednecks like him, and the educated don't.

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 3

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Who voted him in? Clueless old people who get all their info from the state-run media. And it has been the third time this year, he's been >

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

doing this bullshit for four years. Last time he got elected we got the ridiculous "internet tax" proposal (unsuccessful, fortunately).

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Yah know, that's what happens when you have a Unitary parliamentary republic. Look up the definition of those words... Trust me.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Bruh. Hungary's never really been "fine." You just never heard about it on the news.

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

They've used aggressive tactics to get power and then changed rules and laws to keep it. From gerrymandering to buying/silencing independent

7 years ago | Likes 302 Dislikes 10

Same in Romania :( It's a perfect clone case. I assume the same is happening in all former Eastern Block countries.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Sounds a lot like the US right meow

7 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 9

It is the same tactics the right(republicans) are doing in the U.S. Trump has just made it easier for them to be blatant with it.

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

Sounds like a faster version of the U.S. government or a slightly slower version of the Nazi Regime.

7 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 6

Viktor Orbán was actually a key figure in taking down the oppressive "socialist" regime in 1989, he knows all their tricks. In fact, his >

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

own speeches from nearly 30 years ago can be used perfectly to criticize his current government.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

or any opposing media. They have made sure to have their on people at every significant position. They've won 67% of seats with 45% votes in

7 years ago | Likes 191 Dislikes 5

Tell me something new that happens in Eastern Europe. Usually it's because of old people who do not trust new political parties.

7 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 2

2014 and then 67% with 49%. And with tthese numbers and their people they can do whatever they want.

7 years ago | Likes 139 Dislikes 5

Okay time for violence.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Check out https://english.atl">.hu/">https://english.atlatszo.hu/ and https://index.hu/english/ also wikipedia regarding parliamental elections in Hungary.

7 years ago | Likes 60 Dislikes 4

Wisconsin Republicans won 64% of seats with 46% of the vote and are working to pass laws to remove power from the New Democratic governor.

7 years ago | Likes 32 Dislikes 1

We asked what was wrong with hungry not the US

7 years ago | Likes 50 Dislikes 4

Hard right ultra-nationalists. Same as Trump but Orban's not as stupid and has more institutional support.

7 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 4

I'm not speaking in favor of the right, but if you're on the left side of the political spectrum, everything seems 'far-right'.

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 6

This just isn't true. Mitt Romney was not "far-right". John McCain was not "far-right". Charlie Baker is not "far-right".

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I guess it depends on how far-left you are. I met people who called libertarian centrists 'right wing extremists'.

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

Randian Libertarianism is on the far, far right as an economic doctrine, but libertarianism originated as a left political philosophy.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Hungary has always been in turmoil with the deep state politics.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 4

It was only fine if you only paid attention to his PR. He’s been oozing his way to a dictatorship since he started.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Shit's fucked yo.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Vote alt-right, get alt-right.

7 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 3

right wing politics have taken over most European governments

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

This is not even right wing. This is far right populist.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

EU's been warning for quite some time now.LastI heard the opposition was too splintered to mount a united defense. nice to see thats changed

7 years ago | Likes 37 Dislikes 1

EU should clean up its own mess, god knows Brussels is a festering pool of human excrement right now.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Yeah, it's great some actual opposition. As a Hungarian, I voted for the Two-Tailed Dog Party because honestly they were the only sane >

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

choice. Last time around the opposition was similarly shattered, then it united on the 2014 internet tax protests, then it was put down >

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

again when the government used the refugee crisis to generate an incredible amount of hate and point it towards the left, while completely >

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

replacing the far right. Now, if you dare to criticize the "glorious leader" you're apparently paid off by George Soros and committing >

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

When was the last time you knew? Shit's been going on for years.

7 years ago | Likes 45 Dislikes 0

They did most of heavy changes in the parliament, not on the streets. That's "politics", people didn't care until it hurt, which was late.

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

I've been following the Orban rule from afar but his direction was very clear from the beginning. I'm glad people are gaining courage.

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

*Notices the increasing rise of authoritarian regimes worldwide*

7 years ago | Likes 1093 Dislikes 24

Poland, Brazil etc

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Ethnocentric fascists (Nazis) gaining power and popularity globally but people still tell you "it's no threat, there aren't many, it's fine"

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

The reaction to the rule of the left “soft” coups.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 18

Soft coups? Is that the "white genocide" of coups?

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

AKA the "war on Christmas" of coups

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

This is why you don't elect nationalists and populists

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

They're Just following the example of the Shining City upon the Hill

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

So is it cool if I keep my pile of ar15s then?

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Extreme left wing ideology is making a mainstream push, no one wants it so it alienates the average voter and moves them to the right.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Remember when we had these posts about Venezuela? Remember how that ended?

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

eh it is that time of the century, tends to happen in cycles. it will pass, hopefully without a giant war

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

These Hungarians are hungry for justice

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

WErE AlL OwNInG ThE LiBs

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

I see an increasing rise in the public pushing back hard against authoritarianism. There's lots of room for hope and faith in Democracy.

7 years ago | Likes 208 Dislikes 3

Wherever there are those that seek to restrict human freedom, there will be those that push back, violently if necessary.

7 years ago | Likes 44 Dislikes 0

People didn't exactly lie down and take it when authoritarianism rose in the past, either. Will this time go better?

7 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 2

If I was Putin I would support both sides.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Less faith, though. The principles of democracy require facts and reason. From Pluto and Aristotle to Locke and Rousseau, logic trumps all.

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 4

While authoritarianism is wrong, democracy is also a shit system so...

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 5

I think it's more important that democracy is the morally correct system than it being a *good* or efficient system.

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

And Morals dont actually exist, its a made up thing which changes from person to person as well as country to country.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Modern democracy is saying that someones ignorance is just as important as someone elses education, and if you believe in that, your stupid.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

A Republic on the other hand...

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Really bad, and the best we have.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

tbf Democracy is an amazing system if everyone in your population is highly educated.

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

And guillotines! Don't forget guillotines!

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

And why? Because so many humans are stupid apes who fear change so much that they will gladly revert to ancient feudalism to avoid it.

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 2

*cough* Brazil *cough* China *cough* Possibly the US sometime in the future *cough*

7 years ago | Likes 70 Dislikes 6

*Cough* Ebola. You need to check that cough bro.

7 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

Trump's certainly trying.

7 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 9

Elaborate?

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

He openly attacks free speech and the free press. He's a hardliner spewing rhetoric about "violent invaders." He lies compulsively.

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

If not for institutions blocking his whims, he'd very clearly go all in on being an authoritarian. Instead he settles for doing what he can.

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

México also

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

It's looking that way. If the Far Left gets it's way.

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 32

Ohhh man somebody is triggered because they voted wrong, and now they have to support a shitty president!

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Yeah I had to for Obama as well

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Lol you have all these resources you can find to make you smarter but you choose info wars and rush limba? Questioning what they tell you...

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Yes the blue haired college kids with more authority then the trump white house. Of course the true unseen threat.

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Which party talks about alternative facts again?

7 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 2

Or continuously attacks/undermines the credibility of legitimate news outlets that criticize the party

7 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

The GOP. Just wanted to shore that up for those that can't put 2 and 2 together.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Kinda off topic, but just gonna leave this here

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Pfft, that's only if you define Left-Wing Extremists using facts and not the definitions I've decided encompass leftism. Weak chart. Sad!

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Luckily so far the US has a small enough government to avoid it, but if the Bernie big government crew gets in that may change. As for 1/2

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 25

What big government from the bernie crew would lead to a rise of authoritarianism exactly? It's the consolidation of powers that leads to it

7 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

Pardon, but could you continue the comments at a later date? Your first post already exceeded the maximum recommended intake of stupidity.

7 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 2

China, they've surprisingly been heading more towards capitalism, which allowed their rise as a country. They may avoid this if they 2/3

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 18

continue to reduce government control as they have been for some time now. D: 3/3

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 16

You say as they implement their social ranking system

7 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

China becomes increasingly dystopian and authoritarian, "Guys they're doing great, because CAPITAL fucking socialist will destroy us!"

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

China has been a capitalist country in all but name for a long time now. Capitalism doesn't prevent authoritarianism.

7 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Not arguing against the US statement, but the big difference is that the govnt is distributed across 50 self governing states. Would take

7 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 0

an impressive massing of power. Individual states have sued the fed gov for a lot less. But as we've seen lately, its not an impossibility.

7 years ago | Likes 32 Dislikes 0

Gerrymandering is a clear attempt to force the outcome of a vote, so we should still be very worried.

7 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 1

Gerrymandering is being used for "good" in many states. Abused in many more. Only way to fix gerrymandering is more gerrymandering.

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 7

You wanna establish a new country? I'm in.

7 years ago | Likes 212 Dislikes 7

Lets call it Ankhmorpork. I call commander of the watch

7 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

HA! I want a new planet! Find some nice, M-Class world and start up a Federation (Star Trek) like gubmint!

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Why does it say they are protesting “anti immigration”?

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

An it be a direct democracy? I’m tired of elected officials ignoring the people’s wishes.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Meh. Technocracy or fuck off.

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Too many problems. Proportionally representative with safeguards about campaigning (illegal for campaigns to buy add time etc) however...

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

With blackjack and hookers?

7 years ago | Likes 127 Dislikes 0

The best kind!!

7 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

And fiber internet and free healthcare. Given by hookers.

7 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Don't forget the Quaaludes and Cocaine

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

But... most countries have that

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Obviously!!

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I'm in. I call dictato-I mean democratic leader.

7 years ago | Likes 65 Dislikes 0

You can be a candidate in the election.

7 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 2

Yeah but am I a "candidate" or candidate-candidate. It's important

7 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

*the candidate

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I wonder if it's a knee-jerk reaction to Globalization. Like some kind of misguided attempt to maintain a national identity in the face 1/2

7 years ago | Likes 63 Dislikes 9

of increasing homogenization.

7 years ago | Likes 59 Dislikes 6

I think it has a lot more to do with consolidation of wealth and spreading of misinformation.

7 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

It's also the pushback against multiculturalism; I've seen members of EU government that say their respective nations don't have an /1

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

Apple or an orange

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Identify, common values, a common creed when justifying the integration of awful practices from other cultures. I much prefer Obama's /2

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

Interpretation of Multiculturalism in that we come from various backgrounds but share common values/a common creed. People are not /3

7 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

It's one part of it. Another is the increasingly uneven distribution of wealth which is leaving more and more people without means to (1)

7 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

We're definitely moving toward feudal era imbalances.

7 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

secure their everyday lives & without hope of ever improving their economic & societal situation. (2/2)

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