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NotMozart
Nobody is saying he should be forced to stand. People fought so he'd have that choice, and everyone else the choice to criticize him for it.
IllShowMyselfOutNow
I'm a Vet- If sitting for the N.A. is the tool necessary to advance the dialogue on race,racism, and injustice in our nation, then so be it
yelwing
I like it when people do these types of things. I like ignorant people to be easily identifiable.
gebsmith1
They fought for his right to sit AND for the right of the people to disagree with him sitting.
imwithbob
As a veteran, him or anyone making a peaceful protest utilizing their free speech (regardless of subject) is fine by me.
grahamyc
Land of the free eh?
DarthDiggler
It is your right not to stand, but it is people's right to bitch about it too.
SeanBeanDiesAlot
I bet these are the same people that say people shouldn't get so offended over things.
SaintMaceToTheFace
I can still think it's disrespectful
punkrgd
Reporter Voice: "Man has opinion. It may be different than yours. More at 11."
gosaint
I like how everyone is hung up on him 'standing or sitting'. That's not the issue. The issue is why he sat there. He thinks America sucks.
AlexanderFieldisnotmyrealname
The part about black people getting shot in the back legally does kinda suck...
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
What's wrong with sitting during an anthem. I sit during The Imperial March all the time, noone cares.
formerfye
Do you want to get Force choked? Because that's how you get Force choked.
Necrosemantic
You know. I feel like I've proved I'm American enough when I said the pledge of allegiance in school every day from K-9th.
MuddyDuckling
I love the U.S. but we have some serious Nationalism going on and it's fucked up.
BushelOfLabeouf
Well we've had "WE'RE THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WOOHOO MURICA" shoved down our throats our whole lives so its not that surprising
SophisticatedBadassery
TheWayOfTheBear1776
I think it's a lack of that's the problem. It seems like it has become hip and cool to have contempt for the nation one resides in.
HOOMANGUY
Mistrblank
National pride is fine. There is some straight up Fascism that's being exposed in this.
SophisticatedBadassery
He has the right to sit, I have the right to not like it. Freedom is awesome!
debunker
As a Canadian, I don't mind your nationalism .. it's your presidential candidates I'm worried about.
CertifiedTintinologist
Our presidential candidates (at least one of them) are a manifestation of our nationalism.
debunker
I'd argue that it's a manifestation of ignorance and lack of proper education.
rando84
The US is a large, geographically & ethnically diverse country without a long shared history, monarch, or ethnic culture to unite around,1/2
rando84
national symbols (the flag, founding fathers, national anthem, etc.) tend to fill that role for Americans. 2/2
StoppingTom
"If black people want to see change, they should protest peacefully!" "BUT NOT LIKE THAT"
SophisticatedBadassery
Any person has the right to protest how they want within the law, I have the right to protest how you protest.
ikma
(1/2) And we can to criticize you for it, and you can criticize our criticism, and we can criticize your criticism of our criticism and
ikma
(2/2) http://I.imgur.com/6D3XuS7.jpeg
SophisticatedBadassery
I love it, I wish I could give you more upvotes.
bhikku
that rifle the soldier on the left is holding makes no sense mechanically.
bwip
Magic.
DongValhalla
Yep. Magazine is too far forward.
DisarmingBaton5
Wooden grease gun?
AMatureTwink
Don't you guys think you're overanalyzing this
jagerben47
Dude. It's a cartoon. It matters even less than this issue.
bhikku
the issue itself is overhyped and doesn't matter to me at all, so that is kind of a moot point.
hw97karbine
Could be a submachinegun like the early Beretta:
but the ejection port is too far back.
bhikku
exactly, it'd be ejecting round half a foot back from the magwell.
datUkrainian
I always thought this was such a cool gun
hw97karbine
Iron and wood beats synthetics, they literally don't make 'em like they used to.
Devils29
Def suppose to be a M1 Carbine but not a very good pic lol
DemoB0y
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/M1_Carbine_Mk_I_-_USA_-_Arm%C3%A9museum.jpg plus forced perspective.
firefighter26
Yeah, I figured it was some kind of M1/M3 hybrid that the artist hobbled together without getting any kind of source material to reference.
MikeMcAwesome91
He ain't hurtin anybody. Could care less, and I'm a veteran.
masterli
I don't think you're a _dead_ veteran, maybe their opinion weighs more
Zoodpy
Nah, dead veterans are usually only used when someone doesn't have real points to their argument. Unless its about the state of the VA.
masterli
kinda my point but now i'm buried in bad reply graveyard and nothing mattress
Zoodpy
It happens
fredof93
Same here. Got out a few months ago and I this doesn't bother me at all
koinuchan
And I'm a vegan.
ILieAboutWhoIAmForFakeInternetPoints
It's like saying my thought and prayers are with blablabla. It doesn't help but I guess everyone expects you to do it. I definitely will 1/2
ILieAboutWhoIAmForFakeInternetPoints
remember tragic events and everything but I am not going to do stupid shit just because other people expect me to.
fairybug
Yes, they did die for his right to make that choice. But that doesn't make it less disrespectful.
sarcastico
He was just practicing sitting the bench for when the season starts.
Nearlyburly
Brutal. +1
BushelOfLabeouf
People saying he has to stand makes no sense to me because that means we all have to mindlessly swear allegiance which isn't free speech
gebsmith1
Nobody is forcing you but we can judge you if you choose to be disrespectful.
AroAce
And americans say america is the freest country in the world...
ElBivo
It's easier for people to profess righteous indignation than take CK's point and admit that something in America is deeply wrong.
SophisticatedBadassery
Something in America is deeply wrong but it won't get fixed by sitter on your ass.
gamblingpoet
It gets people talking about it, right? Also, he just donated (or will) 1million dollars to various community groups.
ElBivo
He is doing it literally and in doing it, as an NFL player, he has sent more of a message than someone throwing rocks at police.
SophisticatedBadassery
You win
2020Gamer
Honestly I'm surprised people noticed and immediately took offense before knowing what was going on. Then he was like "social issues blah."
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2020Gamer
I honestly would have just guessed he was focusing on the game tbh.
gebsmith1
I'm upset that he sat AND because he chose a stupid reason to protest.
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gebsmith1
He says he won't support a country who treats blacks so poor.
TheWayOfTheBear1776
His reason for not standing is being criticized, not whether he should have the right.
EarlGreyOrDeath
Not from everything I've seen, it's pretty set on him sitting is disrespecting veterans.
gamblingpoet
He stood up during the 3rd/4th quarter when someone was singing God Bless America. He has an issue with the country/cops, not veterans. (1)
gamblingpoet
People incorrectly labeled him as attacking vets when that isn't what his point was at all,even when he talked about his reasons for sitting
TheWayOfTheBear1776
I have not seen a single comment about him disrespecting vets. It has to do with his BS "blacks are so oppressed" narrative.Were tired of it
gamblingpoet
Maybe you should go read the SF police department's racist emails and treatment of blacks.
AlexanderFieldisnotmyrealname
Yeah,veterans are precious,exept if they need healthcare,then they are fucked...
EarlGreyOrDeath
I know people who bring up veterans like this, also one or two voted for congress people that voted against veteran health bills.
TheWayOfTheBear1776
The left his trying to deflect and make it seem like all dissent is mindless patriotism. It's the anti-american values they push.
AroAce
What does anti-american exactly mean ?
AlexanderFieldisnotmyrealname
anti-corporate interests,like minimum wage increases,enviormental regulation,tax increases for corporations
TheWayOfTheBear1776
No, it is because he wants to push the BLM "blacks are so oppressed narrative" and people are tired of that BS.
EarlGreyOrDeath
Just because you don't personally see it happening doesn't make it BS. There are still instances where minorities are unfairly targeted.
TheWayOfTheBear1776
There instances of that for everyone because of quotas. As far as proportions go it is due to criminality.
frogger44
*kicks the door down* NOT AS BRAVE AS THESE SOLDIERS!
graehall
There's also an argument that perhaps the anthem is a little overplayed and could be used a little less frequently to have more meaning.
StarrrryNight
COMMIE BASTARD. ANTHEM MUST BE PLAYED 24/7 AT THE START AND MIDDLE AND END OF EVERYTHING AND FLAGS EVERYWHERE FOR MAXIMUM PATRIOTISM
StarrrryNight
https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/9193480_f520.jpg like that aaaaaawwwwwh sheeeeet bruh
graehall
Fuckin' brilliant <3 :P
henriksen1
I like your point. I believe an anthem should only be used before international sports events but I guess that opinion will be unpopular.
siouxperman
Hundreds of people from across the nation have been protesting to preserve the nations largest fresh water source from a foreign 1/
siouxperman
companie's effort in creating a pipeline and is ignored by the general public and mainstream media. A guy and someone on his team 2/
siouxperman
Express their right to protest by not standing during the national anthem and it's on top news articles across the nation.
HOOMANGUY
On one hand Americans think that their government is constantly betraying them on the other they attack anyone that doesn't worship USA too.
MirrorLOL
These two things aren't conflicting but your sentence is set up to make them seem like they are
SophisticatedBadassery
I love my country but hate my government.
HOOMANGUY
What do you love then exactly? The people? The landscape? The animals? The architecture? USA IS the state. That is why nationalism is BS
SophisticatedBadassery
Good question, I'll have to think about that.
tinyfootprints
I thought it was pretty ironic when I was forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school, on penalty of suspension.
DimensionMaster
That always pissed me off so much. Pretty much the main, if not only, reason I will never rise for the pledge.
tinyfootprints
I don't mind rising, to show respect for those who do like the pledge. But I won't say it. But that's just me. Play it as you feel it.
conniecpu
Well that's illegal. Supreme Court ruled it a violation of the First amendment looking ago.
GIFwithaG
I once got straight up screamed at by a teacher for not standing. the second everyone stood up I turned to face the flag and took my hat off
norseteq
You could wear hats in school?
GIFwithaG
it was the first class of the day and my teacher was laid back as hell, let us chill in the caf on that particular day, so I still had it on
ecodude
You only got away with a hat at my school if it was camo or had the confederate flag on it.
glaug
...how old are you? This was settled a long time ago
tinyfootprints
66. But I could just about write a book relating incidents in which authority figures didn't care about law when dealing with children.
glaug
Ah, that sounds about right. Local bureaucracies are slow to keep up, especially when there are culture war points to win.
tinyfootprints
They often win when they threaten children with further punishments when those children demand their rights under the law.
OhFaceYeah
It's because they're full of crap.
glaug
Well, some schools break the law because they intimidate kids and parents don't know about the 1943 Barnette case
OhFaceYeah
They're risking federal funding money if they get caught breaking the law like that.
glaug
They sure are! Some administrators haven't gotten the memo or just don't care, though
OhFaceYeah
What? Did the SCOTUS rule on that i missed.There was a few kids in my elementary school that didn't stand for the pledge, in the 1980's 1/2
OhFaceYeah
It was in the 1940's when they ruled it was a violation of the 1st and 14th Amendments to force participation.
glaug
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette 319 U.S. 624 (1943)
percivaldanvers
I'd be pissed at anyone who wouldn't, but still an oath given under duress really doesn't mean anything. It shouldn't be asked.
AlexanderFieldisnotmyrealname
Yeah,we had to sing the romanian national anthem in a school for hungarian minorties ,while the mayor blamed everything on hungarians...
glaug
I remember a special school assembly called in HS so the principal could explain to the students why black people shouldn't eat crabs
AlexanderFieldisnotmyrealname
?technically the bible forbids eating seefood without fins and scales.What reason did he give?
DontYouHateItWhenTheNameIsSolongYouCantReadit
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glaug
She said that since crabs ate the bodies of slaves who died and were thrown off of slave ships, it would be like cannibalism
tinyfootprints
Don't crabs eat just about anybody they can find? Regardless of race?
AlexanderFieldisnotmyrealname
Kmm,so was this in Texas or Florida?
woahholycrap
You don't have to say the pledge. I am a high school teacher and I never stand for the pledge myself. My students get to choose.
dialysisinflictor
He has the right to sit during the anthem, free from punishment by government. His employers are free to punish him and fans can stay away.
WardSharlow
You say "punish" like he did something worthy of punishment. He sat his ass down. He didn't run a dog-fighting ring or rape somebody.
Theshoot
I said the same thing and got downvotes. Good for you mate
gamblingpoet
I don't think the NFL has the right to punish him per the collective bargaining agreement. He's not breaking any rules or laws.
DickDastardly404
No, you are not beholden to your employer, unless it's stated in the contract of employment, they cannot reprimand you when they disagree.
cogs
This is exactly the kind of thing you'll find in an NFL contract. Basically, the "embarrass us and you're history" clause.
usmikeyl48
Quite a few states have at will employment, anyone can be fired and or quit for any reason or even no reason.
DickDastardly404
That's different from reprimand. Also pretty a fuckin despicable rule. Glad we don't have that where I'm from.
usmikeyl48
I think getting fired for not agreeing would be considered a reprimand lol
DickDastardly404
Well fair enough it's just a matter of terminology, I tend to think of a reprimand as an internal punishment. If you fire someone, it's 1/2
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nobodyblindedme
capture him and cut off the human horn
acinonyxjubatus
This guy? https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Unicorn-MAN.jpg
DanOrtega
aw man, beat me to it.
mynameisr0b
Freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequences
WowWhatAWhore
On what ground? What consequences? This whole issue is retarded.
RheaButt
Which in turn also means I can say people are assholes for making this action have consequences
JaegerBombster
Why should he be facing consequences, i mean i think hes a little shit but isnt he using it to justify his probability of getting kicked
mynameisr0b
You calling him a little shit are the consequences I'm talking about.
WowWhatAWhore
Who said he called him a shit for not standing up? You are pushing it.
SingleNiceFedoraWearingClassyGuycautiondonotfriendzone
Thank you. So many idiots arguing over "Free speech," which it has nothing to do with. He's not gonna get arrested.
carebearsandstares
Point isn't whether he has a right, thats a given,Its whether he wants to be a douche. Being a douche isn't a right or has to be respected.
Gorgrim
Just checking, is standing up (or in this case, sitting down) for something you believe in, being a douche?
NotErichHartmann
They're free to criticize him for what he did, but not punish.
Fenriswaffles
I like that everyone is playing this game. This cartoon is in of itself exercising the right to their opinion and belief in their statement.
HaulinOats
Team already said its his right to sit if he wants
FlickTigger
Unless you work for the government, then they can punish you as your employer
TheMonsterWithinYou
As a 49er fan. Idgaf if he sits or stands. Just win the damn games and a fucking super bowl
supersecretaccount69
As a fellow 49ers fan, I 100% agree! Can't let the Warriors or Giants have all the championship wins!
Nomtombouts
Lol Kaepernick sits all game anyway...
Moosecock
He'd have to get off the bench first
rylecx
aka you want him off the team. The guy is a joke mentally, not invested in the team, and physically his arm is shot. Go Gabbert I guess
Abowlofoatmeal
I feel like this entire "issue" is equivalent to being angry at someone for not singing happy birthday to you
Sanosky
Can I be angry that nobody sings me happy birthday?
P51VoxelTanker
I don't have anyone to get angry at! Lucky me! Oh wait.... I made myself sad.
byohzzrd
Meh. Football is all about tradition and superstition. People are even more vehement about their favorite teams than the elections.
Rayellow5o
Can confirm have honestly not given a shit about presidentional election but i gove all shits to the raiders
IAmNotASkeleton
Build a big wall around NFL and make the NHL pay for it.
Rayellow5o
More like build a wall and make thr eagles pay for it
MrFidori
They have those rights, but it'd still be pathetic if that's how they reacted.
JaXm
As a Canadian, what in the hell was he protesting, anyway?
wesabsit
Well said. I disagree about his employer's right to punish. I would argue that his rights should not be infringed upon. Fans' choice yes.
carebearsandstares
he has a right to be a douche and people have a right to call him a douche.
StarrrryNight
His employers shouldn't be free to punish him.
imtiredofthinkingupaccounts
and fans have the right to complain about his not standing and in turn not buy his shit. Alot of people dont understand this for some reason
Gorgrim
And people have the right to consider the reason for your complaint invalid.
imtiredofthinkingupaccounts
I mean, you arent wrong about the right part, but thanks for still proving my point valid
TeSoad90
Don't the fans have the right to say whatever they'd like?
WowWhatAWhore
I find this rather dumb, you know damn well they are demonizing him on an international level
0bzilla
Yes they do.
Fenriswaffles
Yes, and the news has the right to over-report on it, doesn't mean either is healthy for society.
createdforupvoting
If NFL gets any gov't funds, perks or special protections, those would hopefully be in jeopardy if they punished him.
harrybuttcheek
You mean like if they and every other NFL team got tax breaks and subsidies and other incentives to build their stadiums in certain cities?
createdforupvoting
Yes, exactly. We can't be giving free money to organizations that suppress free speech.
OriginaIPoster
I'm not saying we should execute him, but I also have the right to be annoyed and see it as a sign of disrespect.
Gorgrim
And people have the right to disagree with your view.
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PartyMagician
Saying he's wrong is valid. Saying what he's doing is "un-American" is just plain incorrect.
thisismyanonymoususername
I don't think it's disrespectful to soldiers. In fact I feel the opposite. He's exercising his American right. The song espouses the "land..
thisismyanonymoususername
..of the free," which he obviously doesn't agree with.
danielsan1977
How doesn't he agree with it?
OriginaIPoster
Because apparently the Blacks are still oppressed, despite the fact they have completely equal rights and laws that support them
bishopmuzorewa
And i have the right to call you a whiny cunt who's self worth somehow depends on the number of brown kids your government is able to kill
OriginaIPoster
"brown kids your government is able to kill" M8, first off all "brown kids"? Second of all the government's not "killing brown kids" what...
Kamasu0Tra
Whoa there mate, you should be pulling your head out of your ass before making such comments, they are a little muffled.