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Credit to @CloakerJosh, whose post I favorited at the time. -https://imgur.com/gallery/pzVdp
Jrwoodchuck
Hahaha the lassann bit... love it
TerryRiley63
You, or the original creator of this masterpiece forgot one itsy bitsy ISP player who is in deep colusion with everyone else,COX CABLE.SUCKS
skarred
Net neutrality info-graphic
Jerrry51
I am switching carriers fuck you verizon
AntaNce
post how to help , i know it's fukkin evil
baldpope
I love how in the middle of all of that information, they squeezed in a fuck @lassannn
sassymcsassypants
I really appreciate the effort that went into this. Good typesetting @OP
lnvestigate311
carrotsoup
@CloakerJosh
CloakerJosh
Thanks @carrotsoup, and upvote for @OP for awareness!
CaseKoroba
I would pay.. to get rid of comcast. Nothing else here in CO springs. They suck so much dick...
IwentLookingForWhatTheBiggestIdiotHasToSayAndHereYouAre
aaaand down to the negative comments to see the ppl who think net neutrality is about taking away our freedom to choose.
SisterFister69Hitler
People are dropping their cable packages for cheaper options like Netflix & Hulu. No one wants to pay 200$ for channels they don’t watch1/?
tootanfothis
+1 for good infogprahic and fuckery
nitjob
Read it with Rick's voice and added some *bluurp* .
MagicalScientist
Okay so, I heard someone say that we need to reform what we currently have, but that taking it away is going to make things bad. So
MagicalScientist
what are the "probably needs to be set up better" parts of Net Neutrality?
AREKEEOO
You could have voted for the pro-net neutrality candidate
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
BUT DEY WER JUST AS BAD!!!!!!!!! - standard response when this isn't true.
MonopolyMadness
Sweet post !
ChancesAreIHateYou
I agree and everything but this style of writing is just so forced and overdone at this point.
MediaMuerte
Like how they are saying it's christian companies blocking abortion info
ChancesAreIHateYou
ChodeChodington
everyone knows it's spelled "chode"
CloakerJosh
It's spelled both ways.
raudrick
I feel like this is going to happen just a matter of time and the next generation will think its fine. I mean look at cable.
PorneliusHubertII
Cable is pretty fucked IMO. Internet streaming is the way to go. All shows on demand commercial free.
IronicUsername
I suspect this is, sadly, the most likely result. I hope for the best but expect the worst.
Thuperduper
Yeah they fucked with our cable so we invented internet streaming. They want to fuck with our internet, we'll just invent something else.
ReallyBadMemory
Another internet. Someone get a hold of Elon Musk!
PenisOfDeath
I mean, our closest bet right now is Google Fiber but no word on them expanding any time soon.
PenisOfDeath
But again they would be hard pressed to expand anywhere really, as things like internet and cable are pretty much local monopolies.
TuggSpeedmann
Another taste from Verizon this week: you can remove the bitrate(video quality) default to FHD for an extra $10 a month.
KirchoffsVoltageLaw
I mean... Tmobile isn't the greatest for NN, but holy hell are they good compared to VZW and ATT
Ironicallybored
Oh don't do this to me lol. Tmobile offers better prices, but they're range of coverage is severely limited. Pro/cons
KirchoffsVoltageLaw
Their coverage is a lot better now. My college is in the middle of nowhere, yet I get better signal than VZ and ATT.
Ironicallybored
Lucky man then lol
Ironicallybored
They have two unlimited data packages, "beyond" and "go", and yeah...It's kinda fucked up. Also I'm a vz sales rep, I'll answer anything
kid1
What's the difference between the two packages?
Ironicallybored
One gives you 22 GB of premium data, plus 15 GB of Hot spot data ( the beyond plan). The other can vary your data right away, and you can't
Ironicallybored
Use your hotspots in your devices.
Ironicallybored
Oh! And beyond unlimited also offers coverage and calling to Canada/Mexico.
ButterfaceTaintClown
You can tell he works for Verizon. 3 hours and counting for a response.
kid1
People do have lives outside of imgur too. Lol
Ironicallybored
Thanks guy
Ironicallybored
Lmao fair enough
Sakabashira
Think you can unfuck my one bar and bring it back to five bars like it used to be? That'd be great. I honestly have to 1/2
Sakabashira
Use a wifi hotspot under the same plan, just to connect to the internet. And occasionally, make calls and text, because I can't otherwise.
Ironicallybored
Try going into your settings, check your cellular data and change your network from Global to CDMA/LTE. If that doesn't work, I'd try
Ironicallybored
Backing up your phone, factory resetting it, and if that also doesn't work, go through warranty.
InappropriateSexualComment
If it just suddenly changed it could be your phone. Had the same happen and after a troubleshoot they sent me a new one.
Sakabashira
Probably. Never did like Samsung. Last one I needed an SD card just to get texts and take pictures.. Among a dozen other things, like now.
karm42yn
If you know anything about the Internet, then you know all this gas been happening for years.
karm42yn
The ISPs constantly block websites which content they deem 'dangerous'
karm42yn
High volume content providers (Netflix, YouTube etc.) have direct connections to the biggest ISPs. How would they send 4k vids to millions?
karm42yn
They are already capping high volume providers at certain times of the day.
omh1
But they currently aren't, current laws prevent biasing traffic against specific companies, if we lose them they will
d0o0o0d
I used to be an analyst flagging sites for dangerous content. Can truthfully say our criteria was only if malware/phishing was present.
IronicUsername
Such as?
OrangeFlavours
Meanwhile Canadian's are here with Rogers and Bell and can at least be glad our ISP's aren't THAT big of dicks. They don't even block sites.
omh1
You can thank our iron clad net neutrality laws, and the CRTC for that, Bell and Rogers both want to block sites arbitrarily
iusepaint
Fucking A
RedCross669
I support Net Neutrality, I do. But for the sake of being informed does anyone have the counter argument?
theyar
Investment in Internet infrastructure plummeted after net neutrality laws went into effect. Also, people want to pay for the services 1/?
theyar
they want, not technojargon like "XXTB/mo@YYMb/sec." 2/2
ForgotMyOtherAcct
Um.. do you have a source for that first part? I certainly havent seen it. And what do you mean by the second part?
theyar
I mean Grandma wants Facebook and email. I want 4K streaming to multiple devices. Neither of us care how the ISP makes that work, and 1/?
theyar
we shouldn't have to calculate bandwidth and data caps. We should be able to just buy ”email and Facebook." 2/2
DanFendi
ISPs will make literally billions of dollars. So they are spending millions now on a destroying NN to make billions later.
VisionsDivided
The other said basically says that it restricts advancements and such This is pai’s #1 argument event thought he misuses info and is wrong 1
VisionsDivided
Because there is evidence that’s proves the opposite. Also they say it limits what they can do (again bullshit) basically it’s literally 2/?
VisionsDivided
All about money... they just want more of it I mean pai used to be the head lawyer for Verizon.. so obviously he wants this. It’s stupid...
ForgotMyOtherAcct
It usually goes something along the lines of supporting a free market and wanting less regulation, neither of which make sense in this
ForgotMyOtherAcct
Case. People are eager to jump on party bandwagons, but the only group which benefits from removing NN is the ISPs.
VestingNormal9
Also, Netflix has vested interest in this. It allows them to pawn off data costs to your cable bill by paying your rates for premium data.
VestingNormal9
Yeah. The frame of NN is wrong. ISPs don't want to charge consumers more for services, they want to charge services for using a lot of net
VestingNormal9
The problem with NN is that the EFF has bad solutions to problems with how the concept of NN interacts with modern technology.
VestingNormal9
Robert Graham has a good anti-NN post here: http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/09/what-they-claim-about-netneutrality-is.html
ForgotMyOtherAcct
Honestly, I thought that was one of the most disingenuous articles I've read in a while. First, he framed NN as entirely partisan, and said
ForgotMyOtherAcct
That was a new development. He said that opposing SOPA (which was the same NN debate) was bipartisan, and that now things are different. I'm
VestingNormal9
The most compelling argument is that heavy-band services can cause "brownouts" the same way as cities using lots of power at once.
VestingNormal9
IDK if anyone is old enough to remember when the internet would suddenly become dial-up at 7-10PM, but that doesn't happen anymore bc throt
StorageB
(1) In theory, free market provides customers with the best products at competitive prices. However, because of government interference
StorageB
(2) and regulations dating back to the beginning of the telecom industry, a few companies have monopolies on internet service that no free
StorageB
(3) market company would ever be able to compete with. This allows the existing monopolies to do whatever they want.
DeviouslyOverhyped
If the monopolies didn't already exist, the argument makes sense, but they do.
shhsfootballjock
Why does at&t, Comcast and the others ever have a say in our politics?
bigdaddyfatpants
Well see they have money and money buys commercials that get people elected to office. So those people were bought.
StragoMagus
$
Silentbob24
Companies are people too apparently
The701
, who have an astounding amount of effective legal immunity in the US.
AlrightKeepYourSecrets
"Lobbying"
d0o0o0d
Money is speech, according to the US Supreme Court. And they have a lot of money.
omh1
The US effectively legalized bribery (lobbying) and then protected it as free speech, so now the FCC is half telecom lawyers
SpaceSphere
You say that when Wheeler who was a strong supporter of consumer rights was also a telecom lobbyist prior
omh1
He also supported "two sided networks" which was a fancy way of saying he is anti-net neutrality he was just more political in describing it
omh1
Not cut and died thou, he was never particularly specific or clear, he would frequently say he supported NN, but describe anti-NN practices
mop82
Corporations are people, too. And our govt treats them like they're precious mom n pop stores that need protecting.
leftbanana
Because they are buying every Senator and Congress person that they can -- and most of them can be bought for cheap.
WorthEveryPenny
Because at the national level they buy republicans, who support it under the flag of "regulation bad" . Ez money
FrightenedInmateNumberTwo
https://imgur.com/IpHu8p5
killerdecoy7
If I'm not mistaken they are one of if not the highest paying lobbyists groups to congress.
ProfessorX404
DanTheStanMan
Politics. Wealth is power, and the wealthy hold the key to reelection. Do what they want, and you stay in power. Don't, and you won't.
PDMGE
They sell a service, every business has an interest in product quality control
Brocid3n
FistfulOfAssholes
lncorrectGrammerNazi
That is some high-quality giffing.
FistfulOfAssholes
Not mine; found on here.
TheScummiestFuckingFlowerBoy
Can I get some sauce?
TiGRIOSindustriesRnD
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BubbaHairyback
Dang that's one lovely gif.!
fknbastard
1886: Santa Clara v. Southern Pacific – 118 U.S. 394 - 14th Amendment guarantees protections to corporations in addition to natural persons
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Congress is more interested in a luxurious life from all their lobbiers than the lives of a third of a billion people.
pravetz
Cause you all keep voting for republicans
jhuckaby
cash money
jezorko
CGP Grey has a nice video about corruption and stuff like that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
ozchaelz
That's depressing.
shreddedking
they brought our "sold for highest bidder" congressmen
mardukkur
In this case it's not congress, it's Trump and his FCC chair.
Jusmar
Mind you that scum is up there partly because Barry O didn't vet the Republican's choice for a FCC board member enough(IMO)
mardukkur
He had to appoint a Republican, by law. As is traditional, he deferred to Mitch McConnell's recommendation. It's Rs all the way down.
Jusmar
The deferred choice to McDonnell is my point. He had the power to say "no there's a conflict of interests here"
iLikeButtholes
Nightcaste
It's kind of the other way around. Shove money at people and they listen. Well, people who make laws at least.
modicumjones
Four score and seven Large ago our fathers bought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Licensing...
Barbarian90001
NN actually harms the consumer with higher prices. Imgur, internet companies hate it because they would no longer get a free ride.
flikrdoodles
Explain in incredible detail how that happens.
Nightcaste
Are you fucking stoned? Comcast owns a big chunk of Hulu. Without net neutrality, they can let Hulu slide, but charge Netflix for bandwidth.
Nightcaste
Netflix would have to either pay them more, be unable to offer competitive service, or charge customers more.
alyxandar
Lobbying = Legalised bribery. But it's so deep now America will never get rid of it without civil war.
cheesypoofs
That is what politics are now. I read this book Gangs of America in college, goes into detail about it. Can get a pdf free online
NotHighNick
Because we live in a oligarchic democracy and they have a shit ton of money and in that system people with money get to have a say.
theo1razzledazzle
Money money money money money MOTHERFUCKER
BQZip
Because they are Americans too
Barbarian90001
@OP It's Ironic, since Facebook, Google, Imgur and other "Service" providers already block throttle sites & censure content.
theyar
That's why they're all for "Net Neutrality." So long as no one tries to make them neutral.
Lavie154
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
MLGsamantha
Normu
Because companies are now people which means they can donate to politicians.
disinfectantrum
Companies ARE our politics. You think the "government" runs this motherfucker? LOL
Lazarillo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jIw22XXSso More than 40 years ago...
glassweaver
Because back in 2010, a republican non-profit sued for corperations to have even more rights than human beings. They won that lawsuit.
Tezunegari
Because someone decided that money is a form of expressing oppinion and companys are persons...
Commandershepard13
Neolibralism and some asshole named Reagan.
ddkong86
Its a public utility.
BravoTangoAlpha
It's not, but it should be considered as one
Jusmar
Citizens United
Idiotcommentsforidiotpeopleaboutidiottasksonidiotthreadidiot
VinniVanGogh
Fccyourself.com
Ttarler
Because free market capitalism had just been invented when we wrote our constitution, so we didn't write in protections against monopolies.
AlexanderValkyrion
None of these companies are monopolies.
aclarko
Close enough. They're oligopolies and though I haven't looked, I wouldn't be surprised if their boards share many of the same people.
magoslich
But they are almost definitely akin to a cartel when it comes to measures like this. They often agree to things for more profit for group
TarasenkosThirdCousin
Serious question, couldn't we(as in, new companies) just make new isp's? Or does this apply at a federal level?
PeteTusk
I was part of a two-man ISP in the 1990s. There used to be many little ones. Big $ steadily dominated the regulations and the market, but...
PeteTusk
... there are still a few alternative ISPs here and there. But big $ steadily consolidates power and buys little & big laws for itself.
OrangeFlavours
As far as I know, you could, but you'd have to physically build shit across the USA to provide access which is money.
rabiddutchman
Plus there are laws in place which create loop holes that existing ISPs can use to stop any startups dead in their tracks like Google Fiber.
DrShrinker
This is a far bigger problem, The oligopoly. As it stands right now it's too costly to start an ISP. With or without NN, the ISPs still win.
omh1
In order to start an ISP you must have a peering agreement with an existing network, without NN laws no ISP is obligated to peer with anyone
omh1
so without these laws it goes from nearly impossible, to literally impossible, unless for some reason an established ISPs lets you
theyar
Or you could bury your own lines.
omh1
Not unless you bury lines to each coast and the north and south borders to peer with foreign ISPs, otherwise you just made a big lan party
omh1
That is of course ignoring that fact that almost no cities will let you dig up streets to put in infrastructure they already have
MediaMuerte
Nah the government makes it too hard
idrinkiknowthings
Why are we not fighting to dismantle the government mess that caused this problem, rather than trying to fix it with more of the same?
MediaMuerte
Because imgur's regulars are mostly liberal boot lickers that want government to do everything for them
thanatos777
Entry into that particular industry has incredibly high barriers. Just ask Google Fiber.
theyar
Actually if this passes, entry will be far easier.
Wellfuckthis
No it wont. Starting an isp is a massive investment and the current super isps actually control regions. They wont allow anyone to enter
Wellfuckthis
Their territory. They've had many attempts shut down and if they cant shut rhem down they forcibly buy them out.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
I remember some of the first lawsuits against them. "Unfair competition" of bringing better product at lower cost.
YoungJables
People have tried. There are even stories of isps sabotaging their own equipment, accusing new isp of it and bankrupting them thr8court fees
mardukkur
I started a local telco/ISP (a CLEC) and the ILEC we connected to repeatedly broke the law, stiffed us on $$$, and drove us out of biz.
aznanimality
Comcast/Time Warner has been messing (cutting) with Google Fiber's lines since the start, there are hunrdeds of stories about it.
bruhmometn2a
that has to be illegal.
TheWizardofGauze
Not if you have enough money
itscayde6
Imgurusername23
Sauce?
WhatTheHeII
Destiny 2
itscayde6
My favorite is a nice vodka sauce.
HighsNberg
I heard your dying soon Cayde
itscayde6
I heard your face is dying soon
HighsNberg
I heard sound files referring to Caydes death don't take it personal buddy
itscayde6
But I can’t die. Who will be the comical relief
HighsNberg
i hear you have a son named Ace..
shhsfootballjock
Why do we have to keep going thru this so often?!??
starrychloe
Because maybe people don't like others to stick their nose in their business. Maybe they should mind their own business or start their own.
Brocid3n
StorageB
Don't worry, Elon will save us https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/04/spacex-internet-satellites-elon-musk.html
StorageB
Because the giant internet companies will do whatever it takes to keep their monopolies going.
NinjaPoopy
We’ve won this battle multiple times and it seems like they’ll just have to win it once. I don’t get it either
Shpadoinkleman
Because they're not going to give up until they succeed, and they have enough money and lawyers to do it indefinitely.
rabiddutchman
I'm pretty sure this is the same fight from earlier this year. It wasn't to a vote yet this spring, and the FCC spent this time ignoring us.
ButterfaceTaintClown
Because people keep voting Republican.
mthrndr01
Worry not, this time we'll almost certainly lose and have to wait a solid 3 years and change before there's even a chance of winning again.
DanFendi
That's the point tho...we'll never get the chance again, if the ISPs win.
omh1
Probably >10 years... the current law took over a decade and a dozen attempts to actually survive the massive lawsuit barrage from ISPs
omh1
if congress passes a new law for regulating ISPs in the new year, likely ISP written one then it will be nearly impossible to fix
IronicUsername
Because people keep voting for Republicans.
LoganMcD15
Because Democrats are race baiting assholes. I hate both sides mind you. Just something about Dems makes my freethinking skin crawl.
ButterfaceTaintClown
Then say goodbye to net neutrality.
LoganMcD15
No. We're saying don't blame just Republicans for this. If Democrats weren't such insufferable asshats they could win more elections.
ButterfaceTaintClown
Then say goodbye to net neutrality.
Crimpwithyourthumb
I support your enthusiasm, but politicians in general are shit. All of them.
BuiltonSin
Career politicians need to be reelected over that of helping the country, state, city, county, precinct, etc.
FuckPHP
Yeah but I'm not seeing any Democrats who want to get rid of net neutrality.
BuiltonSin
Stop fighting among sides, and fight for what you believe to be right.
ThePinkestPigglet
I don't see any republicans either. They keep it to themselves.
lanceconstablebluejohn
Except for em all voting to sell your internet history?