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DictatorofPussy
Also, since school loans have been subsidized, schools have been raising their tuition by leaps and bounds.
mistatorso
Government backed loans means they get their money regardless if the student succeeds.
Rubes27
I can tell the maker of these gifs wasn't American by the spelling of "cheque"
Trox3l
Some would argue the amount of liquidity created and available for students has driven up demand for college, resulting in higher prices.
somewhatintelligent
Don't confuse the issue with facts damnit. We want it "free." Take your demand curves and witchcraft to Facebook.
coconutjetpack
$85,000 in student loan debt. Went to a state school for undergrad then got my masters. I'm a public school teacher. Pfft.
DabNaggit
What Masters degree?
OhHellNoWhatsUpDawg
Anybody who believes this probably ought to read this. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304279904579517934206301354.html
Quaaludes
I think the article takes a SHARP right turn at the end, but the basic premise in the beginning is quite sensible. Easy lev= higher tuitions
OhHellNoWhatsUpDawg
Indeed. But you are correct about the basic premise. Easy loans have driven tuition costs up significantly.
cwagrant
Everyone in America is just in it for the short game anymore. People rarely look 5 years ahead, much less 50. Sad but true.
Slaurdibartfast
but Reaganomics started over thirty years ago and is now really starting to snowball into the system we have now
drj37
My one regret is that I only have but one upvote to give.
houseMD
Our government needs an overhaul. Until that happens, corruption and greed will continue and the socioeconomic divide will grow wider.
oculusrift
I wish we had let the Confederacy secede
homeboymcjewerson
??????
fanha
Imgurians say the darndest things.
HylianFox
It's great that we abolished slavery and all, but the southern states really need to be their own fucking country.
missing7
Why is that?
ghosthendrikson
Still waiting on that change...
EmeraldElement
jcotter2378
She taught one class a semester and got paid hundreds of thousands of dollars. She is part of the problem. Also she lied to get that job.
mediocrejoker
I'm interested in proof, would be nice if you could stitch in some links :)
eskimo93
Truth is kids still manage to fail or not even pay the loans back. There's risk involved in the investment, so there must be interest.
indoorliving
Actually, the risk is greatly diminished since student loans can no longer be discharged in bankruptcy. They can take your paycheck, SS, etc
fanha
But GDP grows on trees for things we complain hard enough that people should have...right?
Super777
Stop getting "degrees" in useless subjects. Why spend $100k on a garbage degree. Blame the colleges for even offering crap degrees.
disposableredditer
See, from a philosophical perspective, I disagree with this. Yes, persuade students to get degrees that actually benefit their future. 1/2
disposableredditer
But, don't, however, get rid of the ones that don't. Knowledge is knowledge, and money or a job shouldn't dictate society's knowledge. 2/2
golfing90
True but i shouldn't have to support someone through my taxes who decides to study puppetry arts when i've studied accounting
DissidentRage
Thanks for perpetuating the idea that everything revolves around making money for the powers that be and that all else is folly.
DissidentRage
P.S. I have one of those useful degrees and a pretty swell job.
Panzercamper
I think the point is that if you choose to go into debt to get a degree that won't pay off the debt, you are an idiot. This doesn't sneak up
Panzercamper
on people. You can do basic research before you go to school for 4 years. I want to be a philosopher but some shit just isn't in the cards
TardisRiptide
As someone with a doctorate, my student loan debt would easily buy me a small house.
fanha
As should your salary every year, if you use your doctorate well.
TardisRiptide
That's the hope and plan. :)
disposableredditer
what? sometimes it just comes down to "Sorry, we want people with experience and you've just come out of college". 1/2
fanha
There are always going to be a vast, vast majority of tasks you aren't qualified to perform. A doctorate, however, allows you to perform...
fanha
Everyone goes out and learns after college. Experiences rejection. Very very few successful people just walked in somewhere and succeeded.
fanha
...some very valuable tasks, assuming you got a semi-useful one. Assuming that those skills are indeed valuable, go sell that value.
disposableredditer
A doctorate isn't a money-printing machine but rather the possibility of one, dependent upon demand and usefulness.
sowetoninja
"sorry, but you're too over-qualified for this job"
fantasm0
So, why not get a job and work on that degree later.. this way, you get experience, a foot in the door, and an education.
TikeMill
What's fundamentally changed is that the economy isn't booming like it was after WWII. People fail to realize that lots of things were (1)
TikeMill
different back then. The government hasn't suddenly become evil or hateful of young people - it just wrote cheques when times were good (2)
TikeMill
it's having difficulty cashing now (3)
fantasm0
I think the bigger problem was that it wrote those checks for the future, hence why most government jobs have such sweet pensions.
fantasm0
It let's the future generations foot the bill, plus whatever actual things they need to spend money on.
TikeMill
Pensions in general, too. The boomers are now getting back far more than they put in, so it's a generational problem as much as the gov't
skyhook
Neither Jon Stewart nor Elizabeth Warren are Canadian or British, so the word she is using is spelled "check".
LiTMac
I doubt either of them made the subtitles.
xkr73
I do wonder how many people know the reason that "cheque" is spelt that way, and not spelt "check"
hugeroner
Go fuque yourself.
EllaWells
This deserves way more upvotes, bahaha. +1
MistakenGenetials
I was confused for a minute.
Isweartogodthecatmademedoit
Maybe they should have Spell... Chequed it. Okay. I'll just leave. Is the door that way?
TheBlackShakes
Please accept this small award for excellence in punning before you go.
mechanimated
I spell british because I'm foreign and that's just how I learned. Either one is correct, dictionary-wise.
fitlex
I like when 'foreigners' learn English properly. It's weird talking to an Indian call centre and they have American accents.
ms2ar15
Right. She's Native American.
onetrickdave
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed. It seems like every time there are subtitles to GIFs on here they are always in British English.
Cavall
You mean English English?
urseppos
Guess who invented the fucking language, eh Seppo ?
onetrickdave
No shit, Sherlock. But this is an American woman on an American TV show on an American website, you fucking Chav.
urseppos
Go eat a family & then shag your sister you fucking creatine.
skyhook
The Normans, who were vikings who lived in France.
urseppos
Thank you !
xkr73
Slightly wrong, there, buddy. That would be Saxon or Old English, but not Modern English
esospanqueques
Don't forget us Aussies mate
PeeonTrotsky
We always forget you.
esospanqueques
I know :(
azazyel
Also kids remember that the gov just renewed it's relationship with Sallie Mae even though their being investigated.
missing7
Why are they being investigated?
FrigginCornflakes
He didn't say they're being investigated. He said their being investigated. Their being, which belongs to them, conducted the investigation.
indoorliving
For several things, including denying borrowers who are serving in active duty, relief on their federal loans. A violation of federal law.
azazyel
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/25/elizabeth-warren-sallie-mae_n_4856200.html
YellowDrank
But she is "them" she is the government. Get your buddies together and stop it instead of telling us how you are on our side. Just words.
AnthonyTordillos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gridlock_(politics)
bloomingdalera
You know I watched that episode, and for some reason didn't notice this. That moment I realize I too am part of the problem. :|
atcguy01
Ah, the return of Fauxcahontas
ncmiko
This Native American approves of this message
gudemonster
LOVE it
atcguy01
Feel free to use it as you see fit
Cheesecakecrush
I wish I could remember all of the witty nicknames I've heard for this woman
atcguy01
Sacagaliar?
ukalliq
The undergrad interest rate for federal student loans is 3.8%. I'd love it if it were lower, especially for needy students but, (1/2)
flowmander
-1 for lies
AmIAVolcanologistYet
Mine was nearly 9%...
makingarun
3.8?!?!? Try 6.8%...
VikingsAreNinjaPirates
One of my loans is 11%. Does anyone want to buy my blood?
IglooGiggles
I would sell sperm if I was a guy.
VikingsAreNinjaPirates
Wife won't let me. I checked.
sheezyOG
11.725.. I want to cry in a corner and I haven't even left for my first year yet.
trouble09
10.25% I'm going to have to sell a kidney...
ukalliq
http://studentaid.ed.gov/types/loans/subsidized-unsubsidized
ukalliq
Really, who downvotes factual sources?
asquiiiiiiisha
ugh me too. At least the principal is smallish in my case...
HylianHer0
I just looked at my loans since I graduate soon... it went down since 2010. :(
SaintNewts
6.8?! FSCK YOU! Mine's almost 9. :(
OMGWUTLOL
NINE? GOOD GOD.
causality
American federal student loans are at fixed rates of 3.86% and 5.41% for undergrads and graduate students respectively.
fngrnayls
I'm pretty sure they recently increased it for new loans. Like, ones taken out this year and last year. old ones are still 3.8 tho
ukalliq
No, they haven't. They'll set the rate in July for 14-15 year loans but that is expected to be little or no change from the 3.86%.
AraFace
Not when I got my loans...
SomethingOffensive
Subsidized loans, people. She is talking about poor families.
ukalliq
No, unsubsidized federal loans for undergrads have the same 3.86% interest rate, it's just that the interest starts accruing sooner.
SomethingOffensive
Well I'll be damned.
ukalliq
You can be a millionaire or a millionaire's child and still get an unsubsidized federal student loan.
ShakesbearPlus
They just removed subsidized loans and grad school loans are 7.5-8% minimum.
ukalliq
No, they are 5.41%
hairinthewind
i owkr at a college, they still have subsidized loans for needy students, but they are hard to qualify for
hairinthewind
*work. i work for a college and have typos. education success!
imguriananimaldoc
Mine is 6.67%
ukalliq
where else can a person with no credit history or bad credit get a completely unsecured loan for 3.8%? It's really not a bad deal. (2/2)
mechanimated
The issue with the system is much more complicated. They WANT you to have no credit history, or a shitty one. It's so devious it's like (1)
DukeofValentino
Because they shouldnt have to pay interest because the government will make a shit ton off of them anyway?
mechanimated
owe money to also hire the collectors who will take whatever money you have, in addition to charging a "collection fee" for having to (3)
mechanimated
if skeletor opened a bank. The higher the chance of you defaulting on a loan payment, the better, because the same companies that you (2)
WeeblesWobble
Depends when you got the loan. Some folks are paying up to 7%. Taking less money from our future doesn't make it a good thing.
mechanimated
take your money, and then they up your interest at the end of it all for defaulting. It's like a one-company pyramid scheme. (4)
LosPer
That extra money in the system is allowing colleges to jack up the costs. What other industry is seeing that kind of inflation?
AsAGayJewishDemocratWithGoogleFiber
I have no idea why you're being downvoted because this is 100% true. The rates that undergrad students can borrow at are amazingly low.
PepeSilviaPepeSilvia
where else? any other country. I pay zero percent. It sucks pretty bad actually for my american friends. It blows
thehonkypatrol
Good point. Hell, with the amount of accounts in default and the time value of money a little interest is necessary.
blzrdphoto
And even so, student loan debt is the debt that most people hate the most. Interesting.....
AKUUUUUUUUUUUU
While that is true, the problem is we basically HAVE to take those loans with no promise of a stable job or income after graduation.
silsadementia
Thank you! And then, unless lucky, the pay isn't usually all that great since they/we are starting at the bottom
bamcockseverywhere
It's nondischargeable debt though so it follows you whereas a higher-interest-rate loan would be dischargeable
coloradocloud9
some savvy college students in the 70s were intentionally declaring bankruptcy after graduation. That's why. It's that, or raise rates.
bentwrenches
Yeah, fucking lawyers according to my accountant.
ercdeck
Not true, they are just more difficult to discharge. That's why the rates are so low.
ukalliq
They are almost impossible to discharge. You have to die or become 100% disabled.
ercdeck
Not true. Google "discharging student loans". You'll find the process rigorous, but not impossible.
IntergalacticFlyingDolphins
As a person with a ton of student loans...what does that mean.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
Even if you declare bankruptcy you still have to pay your student loans.
aselfdefeatingattitude
It means even if you declared bankruptcy, you still have to pay off that student loan.
IntergalacticFlyingDolphins
Well damn.
mexicanstig
Its a bad deal because you start making payments when yer done, but the interest starts compiling from day 1. :(
Laimbrane
Depends... some do, some don't.
mexicanstig
sucks either way, i worked darn near 70 hours a week and was lucky enough to escape only 6k in debt
Laimbrane
What kind of work did you do?
Rheios
Somewhat Inaccurate. That depends entirely on whether or not you get subsidized or unsubsidized loans.
mexicanstig
I should have added what you said, I went thru the whole ordeal, it does still kinda suck
Rheios
Yeah, I payed off my student loans when I got out in a couple years but I owed less than many people.Still threw money at it like crazy.
Rheios
I don't necessarily see it as unfair or anything though. I knew what I was getting into ahead of time.
tadpole13
As a grad student, that's cute
flyingdutchfrenchman
The fact that students have to get loans to study is already ridiculous. But they AREN'T EVEN WITH 0% INTEREST ? REALLY ?
IglooGiggles
WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU GETTING YOUR LOAN!?!?!?! MINE'S 11%
ukalliq
The federal government. Where the hell are you getting yours?
pbbbtMeg
Ten yrs ago when I signed my loan papers it was 8%. Crazy time. But I was happy to get it. And glad I did.
katalavenoligoellenika
Yeah, I haven't seen sub 4% for anyone I know with student loans. 3.8% *would* be a great rate for an unsecured loan.
flury
The point is this shouldn't be a loan. Other governments pay for the cost of school, instead of allowing you to borrow against your future.
loshea
Yes, but other governments aren't spending trillions of dollars on a military force that is embedded in nearly every nation on the planet.
HughLaurie
My university was only ~13k/year but the kids were paying an additional 12k/year for the dorms. That's $1,000/month to live in what is (1)
HughLaurie
essentially a filing cabinet for students. Meanwhile I paid $900/mo to live in a 1,100sq ft apartment just 15 minutes away. Also the (2)
HughLaurie
food isn't included, those kids had to get $300/mo "munch money" cards added to their tuition which could only be used on campus. (end)
yankee288x
6.8% Here too....
notme222
When I first took out student loans, I asked "I can pay this down early with no penalties, right?" They said "yes, but you won't want to."
ukalliq
That's ridiculous. I always counsel students to pay as much as they can as soon as they can.
voltekker
My car loan is 1.6% that student loan is complete bullshit. They want to invest in our future. 0.5% interest rate, because they can.
ukalliq
A car loan is secured, and you probably have good credit.
voltekker
Considering the loans are for education and you cannot get rid of that debt, they are more than secure.
Daoistheway
that was so last year dude, it's 6% now, keep up with the real world man
ukalliq
No, the undergrad interest rate is 3.86.http://studentaid.ed.gov/types/loans/subsidized-unsubsidized
sparrowinflight
Mine is 6.8%. And oddly enough, that's for both.
Quaaludes
I think lowering tuition costs instead of incentivizing higher leverage among today's college students is the best solution.
golfing90
Depts have no incentives to lower spending, b/c they're budgets will be cut. So they keep spending exorbitantly. Edu can be a lot cheaper
ThatMomentWhenImgurJokesAreOnlyFunnyToImgurians
soooo does she have a solution?
ornithologyiscooltoo
hows about, cut military spending by a third and offer 'free' education to any whos grades alone qualify them for courses?
lgfg
She is also a bankruptcy scholar and opposes Congress' push to make student loans harder and harder to discharge in bankruptcy.
fantasm0
I don't understand something. Why are so many people for allowing loans to be "discharged". You signed the papers, deal with it. Why 1/2
fantasm0
would anyone lend anyone money if they weren't guaranteed to get it back (plus interest). 2/2
brassty
do you?
ThatMomentWhenImgurJokesAreOnlyFunnyToImgurians
I'm not the one on a talk show on the subject..
freddydingo
I do. Eat the rich.
beefjokey
Technically the gubment IS "investing" in our kids. They are appearently getting a pretty good rate of return
DorthLous
The investment in the social contract was originally supposed to be through taxes and better quality of man-hour, however.
Lauraunit
Hilarious, but terrible.
reineseele
In Germany... ; nah i dont want downvotes. I feel sorry for US kids.
ILikeNewEnglandBeer
Dat ROR
PattiMichelle
investing in the next generation of slaves...
NotTimon
I can tell they're investing poorly because until now, I didn't know how to spell "cheque" properly.
brrrackobama
A good short term ROI...if you have a way to cash out before the long term disaster sets in. American politics, everybody!
roninswanson
wow. truthbomb much.
heretic23
I want to up and down vote this comment
jsktrogdor
Just like Bear Stearns in 2007. "There's a difference between making huge returns with low risk and making huge returns with huge risk."
FurryFeetys
huehuehue
sadman13
They're getting both!
AncientPostNecromancer
It's the absurd inflation of tuition costs vs the actual valie of the degree. If you are too stupid to do the math beforehand it's your [1]
AncientPostNecromancer
Problem.[2[
Arceus
Doesn't help when people who qualify for aid get 5k a year free and then drop class a month in while I have to take out loans.
thtlover
you sir....you. just get it
Iforgotmyurl
gubment.I like this word.
failuretocommunicate
Hit the nail on the head, brother.
MyLifeisaComplicatedDrinkingGame
This isn't the problem. The problem is for-profit universities and colleges cranking tuition, not the interest rates of the goddamn loans.
Bumsquat
It's like this... If you don't make money you can't sustain it and POOF! It goes away. Never to help another kid again.
retetr
Serious question, does the interest rate even match the rate of inflation?
prfesser
Another problem is the enrollment drop at universities. A number will accept a warm body as long as s/he pays...
prfesser
...so a lot of not-ready-for-higher-ed kids get suckered into thinking that a C+ average is gonna get them into med school...
prfesser
...when it may not even let you finish university.
emilyrunnes
Gubment...
TheJellyFishingMaster
Gutterment
troublecliff
Dagnabbit!
JMSinATL
It's not really a good rate of return when you're looking at people defaulting and deferring for years because they just can't pay.
proxieme
You cannot default from these loans. Not even bankruptcy clears them.
Naiirita
Yes you can default.
pooptallica
True. Extraordinarily short-sighted and ultimately devastating to the entire country, but a quick buck is a quick buck!
basilikara
"Extraordinarily short-sighted and ultimately devastating, but hey look short-term benefits" describes most human activity tbh.
dyxj
This is the philosophy for many businesses and people: Get the money now, worry about the consequences only if someone complains too much.
Beepity
Because, hey! You'll have retired by then, and it'll be someone else's problem! :D
DeepReaver
Well not too short sighted when you want to eliminate future competition and turn everyone into low cost labor.
RetConMan
http://imgur.com/SXSUgg1
daughterofthephoenix
This is scarily accurate.
xristogur
wow never thought about that. eeeevil shenanigans
DeepReaver
Jesus Christ is this really my highest rated comment? What a depressing thing to have on top.
youreasmellypiratehooker
Hey hey if you work for 25 years and still don't pay it off, then the gov't will take care of it for you. I for one will enjoy enslavement
ekelrock
Only in some jobs. Not mine.
ianpaschal
Can't blame em if they're over 40 and already loaded!
awfulreputation
Technically, the gov is limiting its return by decreasing the disposable income of those affected which ultimately decreases real GDP
pintDMG
This. No interest -> more money spent by private households -> boosting the economy and yielding greater taxes for the government
awfulreputation
yeah...that's what I'm saying...
ReferentialEquations
Too many steps. Long term solutions make gubment brain hurty. :'(
flyingdutchfrenchman
The fact that students have to get loans to study is already ridiculous. But they AREN'T EVEN WITH 0% INTEREST ? REALLY ?
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WowWhatAWhore
As a dutch citizen, I'm so dealing with it. 19k€ loan is completely payed for because I got my degree.
bravelittletowster
Especially when they allow several years of deferment of payments without deferment of interest. You can't file bankruptcy on them either
ReferentialEquations
Fun fact! Apparently this is because in the late 80s, doctor's and lawyers would file for bankruptcy right after graduating and then 1/2
ReferentialEquations
2/2 take high paying jobs after they'd discharged their debts. Ruined it for everyone. Learned this tidbit from a notary who said
ReferentialEquations
3/2 lawyers on the whole have awful credit because they always look for a loophole to avoid paying their debts.
Laimbrane
My loan rate is 2.75%. That's pretty mediocre. Sure, I'd rather it was 0%, but it at least forces me to pay it down.
C137ImMrMeseeksLookAtMee
My Current Student Loan rates with no option to reduce are 5.75%... I wish, WISH it was 2.75%...
Bobinstein
My first year loan was around that, but the next three years went up to 5-6 percent.
ILikeNewEnglandBeer
L-U-CK-Y YOUR LOAN RATE AIN'T TOO HIGH, YOU LUCKY. UH HUH. YOU LUCKY.
Laimbrane
Otherwise I'd have had tens of thousands of dollars of debt hanging over my head for, like, forever.
leumasmc
Lucky you. Mine averages 6.8%, the highest is 8.4%.
Greeneyedfox
Ditto. Government, special-low-interest-for-poor-people loan...
ReferentialEquations
I got the lovely 8% loans. And 13% private ones. I felt zero sympathy when the rates were doubled from 3% to 6%. Fuckers.
theycallmeR
I feel your pain, mine is 7.8 %.
Duros62
Monetarily, perhaps. But not in the long run in terms of innovation.
outdoorsman
Good luck. Money runs this country. They will continue to take advantage of the middle class and keep the wealthy above the law.
urseppos
Fascism.
FlyingToaster56
I agree with her and everything, but there was no reason to make these into gifs.
ilikebreakfastfoodandprettybrownhairedwomen
Thank you. I have shitty internet and gifs are not appreciated when they're unnecessary
missing7
Right? I fucking hate moving pictures.
Warblin
I do on Imgur mobile.... Sigh
JackieTreehornProductions
+1 for sarcasm well placed.
gudemonster
I also think it's obscene that she claims she is Cherokee.
urseppos
Most Yanks claim 1/16th of fucking everything.
IndianaIsWeird
Yanks? No. Americans.
IndianaIsWeird
Nope
urseppos
Yep
IndianaIsWeird
I would know, you wouldn't
urseppos
If you think so, no worries.
manchurianwok
I like how she ignored every question Stewart asked to make her same talking points that she knows will get cheers from the 18-35 yo crowd.
czeke
In fairness, Stewart can hardly complain. He's all about the clapter too.
HerbieRobinson
That
brothasoap
I wonder how anyone who actually watched the interview, where she answered all of his questions, could think she ignored every question
manchurianwok
Yes, where she answered his question about lowering taxes on businesses that had been slightly raised by the ACA?
HerbieRobinson
These are her politics. She ignores your concern and sticks to what she scripted. She's a fraud.
Imgurprettymuchsucks
Pretty much every politician unfortunately. I hate seeing them interview they just dodge every question.
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Therm
Yes, because O'Reilly is completely fair and reasonable just like Rush Limbaugh and Bill Maher. THIS POST IS SARCASM IF YOU COULD NOT TELL.
nickg131
I don't care how biased he is. It's obvious he's biased. But why agree to an interview if you're going to refuse questions? They know he's
nickg131
2. HUGELY biased to the right. So why bother wasting the time to go if you refuse to answer any questions?
DiglettDigDiglettDigTrioTrioTrio
however that doesn't make for a gifset that puts you on the front page
thaxted2imgur
I like how she isn't brow beaten by interviewers such as Charlie Rose who ask three questions at the same time. She answers.
manchurianwok
I didnt think Stewart was doing that. Here's the thing- I have nothing against her or her policies. But her fans seem to think she's doing 1
manchurianwok
2 something new though she loves to evade. Maybe it's bc she's not a good politician yet and that's y she sticks with talking pts still. idk
latslikeabat
She only started talking about college to duck the question about her hypocrisy for voting against raising taxes on manufacturers.
MrDilf
So tax the crap out of semiconductors manufactures who make pacemakers or braking systems. Let's see if the quality of those products go up.
tulley
She is just pandering at this point to the youths. Just like how I fell for the Obama CHANGE 8 years ago
latslikeabat
whilst paying lip service to the typical charade of saying to raise taxes on the wealthy, which of course gets everyone whooping & clapping
latslikeabat
I don't disagree with the principle, but don't appreciate politicians taking the public for fools by using sleight of hand to avoid.
latslikeabat
Answering tough questions that highlight their hypocrisy, or show that what they say, what they do and what they believe are different
normandygahn
Unfortunately for us beggars can't be choosers. There's a scant few in D.C. today that will even say the things she does, let alone do it.
Trox3l
Because raising taxes on the companies who create jobs creates incentives to hire more people in an already weak labor market...
Therm
Does nothing, actually, because workers in China aren't as competent as hicks in America, as businesses are finding.
Trox3l
How many people do you employ currently?
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
the boomers have a messed up world view that came up with an idea that college should be for everyone and shit on trade schools
shadowex3
No, the boomers have a messed up worldview that everything is about profit. College IS for everyone, it's EDUCATION, not JOB TRAINING.
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
you're right, it's not job training, and not everyone needs it. you're thinking of high school and grade school, which everyone already gets
dEdGrimley
That, and holding on to all of the high profile jobs while consolidating lower paying jobs and shipping everything overseas they could.
IllTakeAPotatoChipAndEatIt
Your comment should be much higher. This is absolutely true.
delonwheels
And then some even took issue with immigrants that filled that voice they created.
Ijustwannachange
I want to look into trade school, but i have no fucking clue where to start
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Ijustwannachange
I've been meaning to look into welding. I hear the pay is pretty good
toopure
Everything other than hard science in college is a waste of time. I was an anthropology major. Honors.
missing7
So true. Hopefully the next generation in power wont be so stupid.
0utrider
Posting link here: www.profoundlydisconnected.com - 3 million jobs that no one wants. 1/3 of skilled trade workers nearing retirement (1/2)
0utrider
(2/2) Related/relevant link: http://www.mikeroweworks.com/2013/07/u-s-unemployment-three-million-jobs-are-waiting-to-be-filled/
everythingisrelative
Just saying, those employers won't just take anyone. So its not as if those jobs can fix the unemployment problem.
0utrider
Like your username suggests; everything is indeed relative. It won't fix everything, but 3 mil is no small chunk, either. :)
delonwheels
HS should offer a "trade track" where you learn the basics. I went to a low-income school, and I know there would have been interest.
bigwetdog
'The boomers' also got fired from millions of those blue collar jobs that you now feel so romantic about.
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
im not referring to simply blue collar jobs. you shouldn't have to go to college for alot of jobs, but its so warped now its basically req
0utrider
There's a huge demand for skilled trade jobs; most of the youngest generations are just too damn lazy to do them.
delonwheels
They're not lazy. They work very hard - they're just working towards the wrong things because they've been lead astray.
0utrider
I will say it's a mix. Some work hard, but in the wrong areas. Others just won't do anything that looks like work.
OMalley
bullshit. if i knew i could make a real living dong honest hard work do you think i would spend so many thousands on school? fuck you.
0utrider
Ever watch Dirty Jobs? See some of the stuff Rowe is trying to do; there's a LOT of people who won't take a skilled job. FU? Clever.
OMalley
my brother works construction, my step-father was a painter, both can barely pay bills at the end of the month living in shitty areas. (1)
0utrider
For your reference: http://profoundlydisconnected.com/