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lordstinkynuts
*citation needed
Captainbetray
Proud to be Portuguese :)
lMaker
Way less drug users since this law exists.Also im not seen as a crimininal for smoking a blunt, they send you for medical help instead. FREE
DeathStarFalloutProbablyKilledAllTheEwoksOff
You still get arrested for possession in Portugal, the difference is the court impose a fine or rehab instead of prison
DoseOfScience
Anyone lookin' for stats: http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Portugal/United-States/Crime
VonKarnstein
Age of criminal responsibility in US is 6? Holy fucking shit...
Kuebiko
Gotta fill those privately owned prisons, people gotta make money.
troubledanthropomorphichorse
Drug abuse should be treated like the health problem that it is, not the criminal problem Nixon and Reagan turned it into.
DeathToSwans
Jeralamo
Hey a post thats not about trump and one that makes sense +1
ziggysawdust
Since I moved to Portugal my drug use has increased greatly, however now I buy my drugs from peace loving hippies, not dodgy chavs.
JohnSmithterms
Portugal is quite beautifull.
1234canIhavealittlemore
Good guy portugal.
hedgewizard
Also note that since decriminalization, there has been ONE overdose death in Portugal. Switzerland did it in '94. They have none.
HugeAckbar
"Four times fewer" is nonsensical.
Teddybjerg
#MakePortugalEmpireAgain
RaptaGzus
There's a social and cultural difference that makes.. a lot of difference.
OneUpvoteMan
Right, because the US is oh so different from every other country out there.
RaptaGzus
Yes.
endothermicLoL
The prison population is so high for a different reason check out adam ruins everything on prisons
inaplasticcup
watch the documentary "13th"
cracktoberfest
None of this matters. I married into a Portuguese family ... they're all fucking nuts.
IHaveNightmaresOfMidgetsThrowingPicklesAtMe
If you need help blink twice
Dekker3D
That's why they don't need the drugs!
RepostFromLastWeek
Inb4, 'murica is sooooo different, you can't compare it to those communist POS European fake countries.
WhatsUnderMyKilt
In the Drug War, which pitted America Vs Drugs, Drugs won. I mean, it wasn't even a contest. Drugs kicked America's ass.
SimonDesrosiers
Drugs money builted Miami city
Tunisia
Trump's promised to fight even harder, though, because it's very important to him that he's not on the right side of any issue.
HEXADECIMAL
The Free Market defeated the Soviet Union and the US and will defeat ANY government because it is a Law of Nature, Supply and Demand.
mibango
It was never a war on drugs. Its a war against the people.
RozzAMcGee
Ah, 1 trillion dollars. Everyone likes to get paid. Do you know how much revenue the gov't makes with this so called "war"?
AncientSeraph
Gvmnt not a whole lot, I imagine. Arms suppliers though...
FormerlyLNIFun
U.S. population 310 million. Portugal 10.5 million. 4x fewer murders doesn't sound as good now.
ThatsOneCozyBoi
Haha nice one good catch
YouWillNotLikeThis
Do many americans belive that is how crime stastics are calculated?
BigInVietnam
HelpHelper
Why do Americans never understand that shit like this is always per capita?
Alistairetheblu
Because it's the only way to attempt to make their country not look like shit.
NotoriousBadassWhoLovesMusicals
Because America will always be the greatest country in the world according Americans, and they do not want to admit they could be wrong
brdnprc1
Deeply entrenched patriotism with an edge of egotism, resulting in an inability to deal with criticism?
DoseOfScience
Traditionally, you say 'per capita' or whatever: http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Portugal/United-States/Crime
HelpHelper
Most comparisons between countries are per capita per default because it's the only way that makes sense.
goingfastandstuff
Assuming this can be a problem, though. Stats are very often manipulated and the units made vague to serve one purpose or another.
HelpHelper
But assuming it's not per capita is an even bigger issue since that's not how it's measured.
catscratchfever97
This. +1
catscratchfever97
Perhaps because any reasonable person reads what is listed instead of assuming a unit? Include specifics if it's critical to interpretation
HelpHelper
Any reasonable person knows you always compare crime rates and similar per capita.
catscratchfever97
I agree. But data is often manipulated to serve a narrative and most people do not take the time to check the source data or presentation
RheaButt
You should assume it because it's implied, it's the standard way of measuring it, it would be abnormal if it wasn't measured that way
RheaButt
For example, say you're in Alabama, someone says "it's 70 outside", that person is American, you're American, and Fahrenheit is used by-
RheaButt
-every person around you in this scenario, yet by your logic he'd need to specify that it's Fahrenheit or you'd think it's Celsius. However-
RheaButt
-it doesn't work like that because it should be common sense to just assume the common measurement is being used
RheaButt
Per capita, America has 27 rapes per 100k people vs portugal's 4, for the murder rates it's 44 to 11
skydivingbigfoot
I definitely read "44 murders per 11 people". TIL I'm several shades of retarded.
VresiBerba
And Sweden has 86 and India 0.4. Evidently the statistics are COMPLETELY out of whack due to different laws and what constitutes rape.
SankingDragon
Id be willing to bet thats data based on police reports, probably a huge confounder
TwistedBlue
But WHY would the police fake the murder rate? It is probably the easiest to verify given media coverage.
SankingDragon
Not that they'd fake the murder rate that they'd be bribed to cover up individual murders more than american police departments
TwistedBlue
But the media as also fake - because we know that the media really hates to report on crime.
TwistedBlue
Ah, yes, all the hidden murders in police reports. I hear this argument very frequently every time anybody brings up murder rate in the US.
SankingDragon
i have no clue how corrupt the portugese government is, id be willing to guess more than americas because they were a dictatorship recently
TwistedBlue
For the murder rate in Portugal to be the same as in the US the reports would need to hide 3/4 of the murders? Or are US numbers fake?
Gram2021
For those rape/murder statistics are we talking percentages or the actual number? Because don't the populations hugely differ?
EmilyKla
It's almost as if the American government WANTS people in prison. Hunh! So strange!
tdstar
Well, when private corporations are allowed to run prisons for profit with local politicians and cops as recruiting agencies, there you go!
preaction
Only certain people. You know the ones...
EddyWally4President
Who?
preaction
You know... THOSE people... "Thugs"!
EddyWally4President
Oh
Alistairetheblu
Go watch the "Adam Ruins Everything" episode on prisons. The government gets fined by prisons if they're not full enough. wtf
EmilyKla
Definitely will check that out, thanks! But... seriously? So sick, so wrong.
RheaButt
Trying to figure out if the people in the comments are either dumb enough to not know that this shit is always compared in proportion-
SnoBored
Forget in proportion to pop, cultural, geographical and societal behavoiurs do more. Portugal has a strong family support system unlike US
RheaButt
Those two ideas aren't mutually exclusive, you can say the reasons for something and measure it by population
tzxAzrael
but is it actually? OP didn't bother to include sources, or statistics to actually check. and we're too lazy to look for ourselves obviously
RheaButt
I put up sources, check those
PilotPirx
Hmm, it's actually correct to use proportions for things like murder rates. (Otherwise the US being much larger would look even worse).
Voidkom
It's still fucking stupid, Portugal isn't neighbor to a country who's GDP is half drug cartels.
RheaButt
And yet they still had a huge drug problem before legalizing them
RheaButt
Sources: http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rapes/Per-capita -
RheaButt
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Taranwanderinmyprydain
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RheaButt
-to the population or if they're just bullshitting and hoping nobody notices.. Not really sure which is worse realky
funkmaster40
I have legalize all drugs in my house. We now have a 0% addiction rate and no murders. See proof it works.
pocktio
Yeah except there are no sources, so how and why do you know it's in proportion?
RheaButt
Look in the comments above, I posted the global stats of these things and they all work out to op's figures
VresiBerba
In proportion? You mean per capita? Well, given that it says 4x the murders and that US has about 30x the population, what do you think?
jm995
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Portugal/United-States/Crime
VresiBerba
Wh... what? I think you completely misunderstood my post, otherwise Portugal would have 1 million murders per year; 150.000 times 7.5.
Garzhuk
Looks like Portugal has way more police per 100k
fistermatic5000
it's 2 a.m. here so i'm not gonna do it, but it's a pretty easy google search. for real you should always double check anything you read >
fistermatic5000
>or hear anyway. especially on the internet.
RheaButt
Posted sources above
daf4ever
Mabye there are just less assholes in Portugal
OneUpvoteMan
Yeah, clearly the US is just unlucky and Portugal is a safe country with low crime rates by accident!
OneUpvoteMan
Yeah, clearly the US is just unlucky and Portugal is a safe country with low crime rates by accident!
candiduscorvus
Basically the Libertarians are correct on this issue.
Camelspotting
Well no, Portugal instituted a lot of social programs to support it.
BajaChicken
On the one hand, probably. Devil's advocate though, Portugal also has a much larger police force per capita as well, which may contribute.
candiduscorvus
That certainly does make a difference.
RandalierBear
341 vs 445 per 100k. Also, to be the devil's advocate. Maybe you need more cops, who fight real crime? Instead of misusing the ones you have
IHaveNightmaresOfMidgetsThrowingPicklesAtMe
Us population 309 million, Portugal 10.3 million. Great example !
DoseOfScience
Last two: http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Portugal/United-States/Crime
HelpHelper
Does per capita mean anything to you?
RheaButt
Did nobody in this comments section go through high school? You always compare per capita between countries
MonkeyHittingPianoDramatically
I always thought that was common sense, until I came across these comments
singast
As a portuguese I have some doubts about this facts.. seems like alternative facts
singast
These* lol was in a rush
RandalierBear
The Global Peace Index sets Portugal as the fifth most peacefull country in the world. You beat Switzerland by 2 ranks. You are rising.
noiretbleu
I mean look at how much Colorado and Washington are suffering with all the marijuana injectors, and over $1,000,000,000 in sales.
noiretbleu
I included the zeros because I think we forget just how big these numbers are in general.
kitkatman
He's talking about all drugs not just weed ..
BarrelLemon
Yeah, but weed is the most widely used drug that is still classified as illegal. Heroin and LSD etc. doesn't have as much of an impact.
Zer0th
Damn, that's many zeros. One trillion in sales... how much is this in taxes?
giraffemurse710
About three fiddy...
noiretbleu
It's a billion in sales in Colorado alone, and so far more than 150,000,000 in taxes with much of that earmarked specifically for schools.
Zer0th
How much taxes does the pharmaceutical industry pay?
AmiEvilYet
Potentially, negative.
Zer0th
No, wait! I withdraw that question.
noiretbleu
not enough...
deathremindsmeofchinese
You're right! There definitely can be no harm in legalizing for example meth or cocaine..
redwesley
Decriminalization is not the same as being legal.
RoseFaery
Government sponsored rehab plus legal access to 'softer' drugs does wonders to cut usage of hard drugs.
deathremindsmeofchinese
I'm well aware of that, but I think that it is flawed to compare legalizing weed and harder drugs, because they are two completely 1/2
deathremindsmeofchinese
2/2 different things despite the fact that they both have positive outcomes. Users are different, health issues are different etc.
19wesley88
In their case decriminalization for posession would work better than legalization
MrOni
Because making it illegal has done so much, right?
questionableanswers
People already use drugs, wether legal or not. If you legalize and tax it, you can actually drain the swamp of crime and corruption.
questionableanswers
And you can use those taxes for your healthcare and education-programs.
ErinFromTheOffice
Having lived in Denver for a year, straight up, legal weed is incredible. It's almost ridiculous how well implemented it is.
probshouldntsayitbut
Not sure the police feel the same.
oldmanwithcats
The police here in Washington have no problem with it.
probshouldntsayitbut
CO cops were getting bombarded with new and changing laws and having a hard time knowing what was legal vs illegal day to day.
dansteeyo
Police actually like it. My best friends dad is always saying about how much better a high person is vs a drunk person. Much more mellow
plentyofrabbits
Except for the influx of rough sleepers. That part's not great. Hi from Governor's Park!
blessedbl4d3
So I'm going to be in Denver next week. We are headed to Vail, where is a good shop to stop at near the airport or on the way to Vail?
Lamech777
16th street mall has a few good places
TheMightyPIKE
Grab a Westword magazine on the street, there are 100's of coupons, pick your fav. You will see them all the way up i-70. Big green signs
zubby
For real denver is your stop on the way to vail. Just search for a shop that has both rec and med (some are med only) or call and ask em.
zubby
Also we have a rooster magazine it has loads on loads of coupons in the back for lots of popular shops.
ErinFromTheOffice
I don't know any near the airport, but anywhere along 70 in Denver is going to be fine. It's sooooo cheap. And stores are everywhere. (1/2)
ErinFromTheOffice
But definitely buy in Denver. The smaller towns, esp in the mountains are a lot more expensive and there are fewer shops (2/2)
slack3rdav3
Also there are some places where it is only medical mj being sold. Colorado Springs is one.
blessedbl4d3
My friend was telling me the price is a lot higher for non-residents. Do you know if that is true?
JohnniFife
Lived in a Portuguese territory, hated it.... they tax the hell out of everything making their people poor.
OneUpvoteMan
That's not how this works, people are poor because Portugal's economy is weak, not because of taxes. Smh
JohnniFife
Taxes directly affects the economy. smh
OneUpvoteMan
Yeah, sure. But you know what those taxes pay? Public education and healthcare. Food for the poor and homeless.
Oathbreaker
Yes, we have high tax, but we are poor not because of the taxes themselves but because everyone is taking advantage of each other.. (cont)
Oathbreaker
its a problem in society which in a small country makes a huge impact. If you are very poor though you don't get to worry about taxes (cont)
Oathbreaker
You get a free house, free medical care, and you get a monthly pay from the state. You can also get food for free. (cont)
Oathbreaker
But it's the middle class that pays all of this while the higher class sits and gorges on the profits from the effort of min wage workers.