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Officers were called to this location following an armed robbery distress call. They came upon this person and you can see what happens. This video is from the dash cam of a patrol car on scene.
So here we see an officer opening fire on an unarmed subject simply for failure to stop and resisting arrest... right?
This reminds me of so many video clips I have seen in the media or the subject is put on blast from a single perspective, when there may very well be more to the story than we can see initially.
This next video is an alternate view from a second patrol car on scene.
Here we see the subject was armed and wasn't shot by police until he aimed his firearm at a fellow officer.
Just goes to show that sometimes one single video does not tell the whole story.
Source video: https://youtu.be/Mv6I-3ETfhM
theaterofdreams
Those cops showed a helluva lot of restraint
NickUnknown
lookin like a fool wit ur pants on the ground
akalien
Somebody is on somethin.
useless3y3s
This is why all footage should be processed and released at once, no news outlets should be able to alter it or cut it.
useless3y3s
To suit their story.
thekakester
My dad is a cop and their dpt didn't get tazers until just recently. Also, sometimes tazers don't work. Please don't point guns at cops!
iwantacorgi
i feel like this is a no brainer. you don't point guns at people. but then again, most people who do it have no brains.
thekakester
Woah, I've never had someone respond to my post so long after it happened
therealretto
Imagine the type of culture that this guy grew up in... he decided to die in that liquor store parking lot rather than face consequences.
ogSpark
If only we had a system where criminal justice could be judged on a case by case basis.
CheekyHorseBoy
So this was a SBC.... Doesn't make it better.
GordyClownbottom
They should have put him down right when the clip started, still would have been a clean shoot. Is that a banana in his hands?
Daidart
Actually, the man was not armed, but had a remote control in his hand and made it look like he had a gun. We looked at this in my 1/2
Daidart
criminal justice class 2/2
Ciffer
The circle jerks don't care about facts m8.
zeldabutts
There are 2 sides to any issue. Referring to the opposing as a circle-jerk does not bode well for your intelligence or ability to converse.
zeldabutts
A remote control for what?? If that's the case, I assume he only had it to pose as a weapon in the first place, right?
mynameisntfuckingwarren
Pull yo damn pants up.
lalalaura
He ded
Punnilingus
Well he's not gonna have the saggy pants problem anymore
Iamsonewatthis
HobbstheTiger
The vast majority of guns don't have enough power to drop a person in 1 shot. The human body is incredibly resilient.
optisomnia
You on mobile? Looks like you replied to the wrong comment
HobbstheTiger
Yes... yes I am. CURSE YOU MOBILE!
justanotherpeon
Cops have a tough job.
eyeseawhiteudeadtheir
thank you
KAG25
I mean, pull that pants up
Tirefire45
Because that's where he went wrong. Haha
KAG25
I mean, how much faster would that idiot be if you could run. I mean he is not smart but could probably run faster
SubliminalBear
Please do all the news OP
allibaster12
Did he think he was just going to walk away? Ha, fucking dumbass.
BradleyBear96
My Police Operations professor was on this department when it happened, showed it to us to make it know what kind of situations cops face
circlebreaker
What about the one where the guy is threated with a beating, then beaten and crushed to death while begging for mercy/screaming his mother?
mearas
While I agree with OP that you usually need more information, I feel like the drunk driver shooting was pretty fucked up.
knopsi
Still, people are interpreting it as intentionally shooting, from a video alone. It's the same thing.
whateversomethingdifferentiguessfkit
all we needed was the one shot so we could see that officer take two, not under duress or in danger from his victim. dont apologize for him.
dxblacker
We all saw the man pop his hands out with no weapons, shooting him at that point was fucking stupid...
knopsi
You're still assuming that he intentionally shot.
Textuality
He drew his gun, aimed it at the guy, shot twice (not just once), then re-holstered it. Didn't look "accidental" to me.
knopsi
Still, you're drawing conclusions from a video. You can not see the face of the video. If you look closely, he stops after firing, as if 1/2
apolloin
It was intentionally drawing and pointing his service weapon at the man. I was always taught not to aim at something I wasn't happy to shoot
thedusty1
Wtf is he thinking
HingleMcCringlebarry
This happened in the city I live in. I'm applying to this police department right now
Return360
So true
HingleMcCringlebarry
It was actually a cell phone he was holding but he was obviously trying to make it look like a gun
LetMePickMyTeethThenHaveMoreChips2
But why are his pants down? Was he having anal before they arrived? Taking a shit?
snabble
Is this the guy who actually pointed a phone at the cops?
djgrom
That was so long ago though....If you have to go back that far for evidence to dispute current police behavior...kinda of speaks for itself.
idkwtfimdoingwithmylife
Keep Fighting the good fight
UnpopularOpinionPuffinPersonified
No, it just drives the point home that it's rare we get the whole picture with 2 cameras showing what really happened.
Logain13
The age of the video isn't the point.
siler7
If a man judges a matter before he hears it, it is folly and shame to him. -Proverbs 18:13
siler7
The first one to plead his case seems right, until his neighbor comes and examines him. -Proverbs 18:17
rootbeersteakrub
body/head audio/video camera on all cops
chase7436
So then why do police fight so hard against body cameras that would show an even better view of interactions? They should embrace them.
MrTitsMcGee
Actually there are several policemen in my city that wear something like GoPros to record everything
DigitalBang
I haven't heard of a single cop "fighting against it"
Bend3
Yeah people mistake the agencies as being the field officers.
apokavkos
The very last thing we need is turn every person in a uniform into an advanced monitoring post.
woogawooga
Most cops are pro cameras because it's got them off the hook many times from biased media.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Basically just being monitored at work, which doesn't sound bad, but I hate it the context of those Amazon picker things.
Lightslinger42
Officers with body cameras are in control of when they are recording. At least they are where I worked.
mostokaymedic
It would be cool if they could tie them to dispatch software. On a call? You're recording. Cleared? You're switched off.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Doesn't prevent against corruption then, which is largely the point.
robotzombies
Some situations arise without dispatch, though, so it'd be better if they're on all the time.
NoSleepTilBrooklyn
Not all cops are against body cameras, but the ones who are tend to be the ones who have the most to hide.
UnpopularOpinionPuffinPersonified
You have the same limited perspective issue with body cameras, yet people tend to think they are the end all be all as to what happened.
GoblinOPG
the ones who fight against it are the ones who have something to hide
Iamnotwatchingporn
One big drawback is how much the public wants access to all body cam footage which would/could violate victim's privacy
lucky13kenny
Who told you we were fighting it?
19ontheslide
I'm a former cop, and literally everyone in my department was constantly begging for body cameras. The response was always: "no money."
cow042
All video would be public record. Even routine domestic cases where they have to go into someones house. now that house interior is pub reco
chase7436
Public record? Then why did it take the chicago police 400 days to release video AFTER a judge ordered them too.
tehtaxidriver
a cop I know pulled a lady over for doing 10 over, he ended up letting her go with a warning, it would be shitty if his boss saw body cam 1
chase7436
well, it's a lot shittier when an unarmed person is murdered, so...
tehtaxidriver
its even shittier when a great person who happens to be a cop is murdered while filling his tank simply for holding a specific job.
chase7436
What about when a great person who happens to be black is murdered by someone who is supposed to protect him. Cops can quit.
chase7436
The difference is his killer wasn't paid by the state to protect people, didn't draw a paycheck and benefits, and is being held accountable
tehtaxidriver
who are you speaking of? Mike Brown? you think he was "a good old boy"?
tehtaxidriver
video of the stop and the cop letting her go without a ticket and disagreed.
nickwtfffff
This is an issue with dash cams already. Cams are overall beneficial IMO, but people should at least consider both sides before pitch4king
tehtaxidriver
I fully support Dash cams, my car is wired for one as it is, video evidence of my view.
serella
Cops have the discretion to do this. Some don't even pull over unless you're 15+ mph over the limit, & it's already recorded on dash cam.
tehtaxidriver
In MI if you're doing 15 over, the cop has the authority to arrest you, and they will tag you for 10 over, not so much 5 over.
serella
S oweird how different all the state laws are. But still, the cop isn't obligated to ticket or even arrest for 15 over, though he may.
neverknowsbest138
Denver police are literally suing to not have to use the cameras. They also have one of the highest rates of excessive force complaints.
CephalopodsLie
Boulder PD has mostly embraced them but the cameras tend to fall off easily in any type of foot pursuit/scuffle
Tague
Well after you kill a kid on acid i hope they do
mykey331
That is odd because I use mine for action sports and I've never had any trouble with it falling off.
CephalopodsLie
The issue is most agencies have to outfit a couple hundred so they go with the lowest bidder. The public frowns upon "frivolous" spending.
jaypeg
literally suing? As opposed to figuratively suing?
Kopar
I'm figuratively suing you. Figuratively expect my lawer.
MrsRodriguez
You made yourself seem like the dummy here friend
NotaClipaMagazine
You didn't hear? http://www.salon.com/2013/08/22/according_to_the_dictionary_literally_now_also_means_figuratively_newscred/
jaypeg
oh I heard it alright.we should start referring to the direction above us as 'down' just to see this english rule fully play out
NotaClipaMagazine
Not sure what annoys me more, outrage culture, idiots taking over the language or that we're all going to die in the runaway greenhouse.
neverknowsbest138
I used the word correctly.
jaypeg
Debatable. Remove the word and read the sentence. The meaning did not change at all. Dont use literally for hyperbole. You look so mediocre.
neverknowsbest138
Jeez dude, no need to insult me over semantics. It's imgur, not a thesis paper.
BlindGoldfish
Wtf comment is this?
lolatmyfail
Would you want a camera on you for your 8 hour shift Monday through Friday...
chase7436
If part of my job included the legal authority to kill people, I'd see it as a necessity. They can get another job if they don't like it.
TemptedByApples
The majority want them. Sauce: police wife here.
RudeDudeInABadMood
Probably the same reason you wouldn't want to wear a body camera at your job, cause we all make mistakes sometimes
chase7436
Cops can also quit and go get another job if they don't like body cameras or being held accountable.
chase7436
But when cops make mistakes, innocent people die. So a little bit of a difference.
RudeDudeInABadMood
I didn't say it was a good reason
chase7436
Also, every worker in every retail store, fast food place, etc. is being filmed the entire time their working. And people don't even die
chase7436
*they're
TheThoroughbredOfSin
While not many cops fight them, one reason is fear. You can see, like in situations above, sometimes even video evidence doesn
TheThoroughbredOfSin
exonerate them in the eyes of the public.
ferdturguson
I think the main issue is the fact that you could judge an officer's actions from an "armchair" perspective. That seems possibly unfair.
chase7436
But when your job includes legally killing people, it should be expected to come with vast oversight. If they don't like it, they can quit
ferdturguson
I'm okay with oversight, and overall I think the bodycams would solve a lot of problems. I just think that it should be done the right way.
optisomnia
Its obvious, some police are corrupt and don't want to be responsible. I don't think most are opposed.
MikeyCrabtree
Individual officers are all for it. Agencies are against it based upon the equipment costs & the requisite storage cost & space.
Brojimbo
They don't whine about storage space when gifted military grade weapons and armored vehicles.
Cdayt04
Keyword: gifted
afrogoespro
maybe the once who don't embrace it are the ones who are in the wrong?
Flyith2
I think it has more to do with the cost of mass data storage from alk the videos and privacy violations or something like that
biolologist
Right, it's cheaper to just have cops kill thousands every year and pay out millions from lawsuits...
wobbu
Suuuure.
Nize426
It only really has to store a few hours of data and over write the old data. But still a lot of data constantly being written
MaladaptedMedic
gotta keep the data for more than a few hours... what if a video from 2 weeks ago is needed as evidence?
Nize426
Mmmm they could selectively store only questionable incidents immediately after occurring? Not sure if that's practical
PaladinAus
Nope, it has to be stored longer than that. If someone files a complaint a month later it still needs to be available or its a 'conspiracy'.
ayytothelmao
Data storage shouldn't be a problem. a single server can hold many of terabytes of data. Patrol cars have em and filming in public is legal.
MaladaptedMedic
765k cops in usa. 8 hours of video per shift (maybe?). 6.12M hours of footage DAILY. 1,402 petabytes of data daily. data storage is the prob
ayytothelmao
You dont have to keep all of it...
nekobaka
And if it's possible to store dash cam footage and the car:cop "on road" ratio is < 1:100, then it's clearly possible to store that too
Bend3
most dash cams are low grade though, and they are already trying to improve that, which is a problem of data storage.
crimpgur
While what you said is true, what's stopping a 5 hour storage storage limit? Nothing bad has happened in 5 hours, oldest footage is deleted
nekobaka
1,402Petabyte / 6.12 million hours = 246GB/h unless I'm mistaken. Maybe we should NOT record in 3D 8K 120Hz or whatever you assumed.
bailey556
I don't know about the usa but in the uk footage must be of a certain quality (720p +) to be admissible in court. Might be the case here
werehiring
I interned for a large PD in Texas. Video from things like COBAN (in car system) for about 20mins is easily 1GB, and it looks crap.
scuba7jb
I'm not buying it. Terabyte hard drives are getting cheaper by the day...
MaladaptedMedic
765k cops in USA. 8 hours of video per shift (maybe?). 6.12M hours of footage DAILY. 1,402 petabytes of data daily. terabyte is useless
aalien
638k patrolling in 2014. Say 8 hours of video with 1,5 Mbps. That would make 3500 terabytes, not petabytes. Now, consider every cop has a /1
aalien
personal camera with 128 GB SD card. That's 82 petabytes of data, capable of storing 23 days of 8 hour shifts. Only incidents need to be /2
TheHudsonHawk
It's more about weight. I know you think it's minor, but these guys carry so much gear. And the battery nonsense. Sauce: cop uncle.
crumbhustler
No offense but that excuse is terrible. I listened to committee testimony and every company that makes them stated they're less than 1lb.
baronridiculous
No.
Nightfox1515
Budget, our local PD will not have them any more since it costs a lot to maintain and get the equipment.
biolologist
Probably they should spend less on things like tanks and riot suppression gear.
fatherjokes
Actually I know alot of cops who do embrace it. They want them to show their side of the story.
chase7436
Then they should talk to their bosses, and speak out against the cops and unions that are trying so hard to block body cameras
fatherjokes
They do but the unions pretty much run it. They get overrulled
chase7436
The the cops should end their membership in those unions or something
fatherjokes
That's great for 'right to work' states but in some states you can't just drop out of a union
chase7436
They should also make sure that body cameras don't get turned off, police dash cams and audio don't get turned, etc...seems to happen a lot
fatherjokes
Privacy and consent laws make it difficult to always film. For instance, you can't photograph foster kids or reveal their identity.
chase7436
Reveal their identity to other police who already have access to the information?
fatherjokes
Doesn't matter. The law is specific on this matter. My wife is a teacher and is not allowed to photograph foster kids under ANY circumstance
Ellimem
Shouldn't matter what the cops think. They are government agencies, and the people are nearly universally for it.
fatherjokes
But it's not that simple. There are consent and privacy laws which have to be followed by a government agency. I can think of a few examples
Ellimem
If police enter a residence, and there is no crime or complaint, the video has to be destroyed. Even private businesses aren't protected.
Ellimem
But there literally isn't. Those laws already have workarounds for this exact situation. Any public space filming is fine.
sterlingakabob
Same reason we don't install breathalyzer to start in everyones car. Privacy/no Big Brother figure
chase7436
There's a difference between "everyone's car" and "cops authorized to kill civilians". They chose the job. They can choose another one.
sterlingakabob
And you choose to travel by car. You're welcome to use a bike or public transportation instead. See the flaw in your logic now?
chase7436
But I'm not being paid a salary with benefits, plus a decent lifelong pension, for driving a car. I can't legally kill while driving a car.
sterlingakabob
First, "I can't legally kill while driving a car" is 100% false. Provide a number, and I will provide that many sources. (1/?)
GentlemanSlaughterhouser
because they could be talking about a case/private information or just personal things that people would be able to see or hear....
biolologist
How is that different from any other time?
GentlemanSlaughterhouser
by any other time you mean??
biolologist
From literally any other time that an officer might be recorded or observed. Are you arguing against dash cams? Against CCTV?
GentlemanSlaughterhouser
Oh ok! Well, on dash cams for police cars they are only on as long as the officer has it on and well as for the others it is from people's
GentlemanSlaughterhouser
phones. The body cam is on their person at all times constantly recording every little thing they do and say. I do agree with body cams
GentlemanSlaughterhouser
video then that officer could get in trouble because it is in 2015 and every is constantly but hurt for everything.
GentlemanSlaughterhouser
but they have the cons with them. If a police officer were to say something in his/her opinion and someone that happened to see or hear the