Turns out my Great Great Grandfather was kind of cool.

Aug 6, 2015 7:15 PM

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Knights of Pythias

My Grandmother gave me this sword 10 years ago before she passed away. She said it belonged to her Grandfather who fought in the Civil War. Thanks to the internet this is what I was able to find out about it. The Knights of Pythias was created during the civil war by President Abraham Lincoln. It was an underground organization conceived for the upholding of government, honoring the flag, for the reuniting of our brethren of the North and of the South, for teaching the people to love one another, and portraying the sanctity of the home and loved ones.

Turns out my Great Great Grandfather was kind of cool. "MEGA" REPOST

On Thursday August 6th, 2015 I created a post about my Great Great Grandfather's sword from the organization the Knights of Pythias (http://imgur.com/gallery/YYDXr). It was the only secret organization funded by the government (specifically President Abraham Lincoln) to keep peace between the North and the South just after the Civil War. In short, having uniformed members of the Union Army in the South after the Civil War would have caused a police state, tension and constant unrest. Instead the KoP was created (my Great Great Grand father a member, proof being the sword) to keep the peace using members of the Union Army dressed in civilian clothes.

Fast forward, Imgurians from all over have come to me with proof that their relatives we're also members of the Knights of Pythias. I have collected all of their images and information and compiled it into one mega KoP post.
Special Thanks to everyone who made their contributions: @smellymustache, @stratus41298, @pleaseconsider, @EdgarAllenPoo, @FluffyCatToots (for supporting @smellymustache), @DrowningNotWalking, @Beinghappyisdoingwhatyoulove, @ReinettePoisson, @WaxyNips, @NiteHamer, @SendMeYourStuff, @zephtato, @Ketaren, @SimonGGordon, @CaptainCornFlakes, @OmegaTengu, @DrJohnnyZoidberg, @HolyMolyBatman, @TwilightBarnOwl, @JohnCalvinAndThomasHobbes

KP Knights of Pythias

Midway down the shaft of the sword is a "K" intertwined with a "P" representing the Knights of Pythias.

J. M. Ferguson

J. M. Ferguson was the name of my great great Grandfather.

Samson

The man hunched over carrying a scroll which is symbolic Samson destroying his enemy's temple has a "F.C.B." above him which represents what the Knights of Pythias stood for "Friendship, Charity, and Benevolence”

The sword was only worn to charter meetings

The Order of Knights of Pythias was the first American Order ever chartered by an Act of the Congress of the United States. The man in the helmet with the lion on top signifies the highest rank (Knighthood). There were three steps to reach full Knighthood – Page, Esquire, and Knight. It is the same in reaching full Knighthood in the fraternity as well. The lion means leadership.

Edit: If you have a sword that is similar to this (or anything Knights of Pythias, news papers, buildings, etc.) pleases message them to me and I will repost them all in one big massive post!!! Enjoy!

Here. Here.

10 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

I've never heard of them so this was a very interesting read.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Sounds more mason like than anything. Lodges...upholding of family values ect..

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Man, all I inherited from my great great grandparents was a predisposition to high blood pressure and alcoholism. I demand a redo.

11 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

That's some Lord of the Rings shit right there. So sweet!!!

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Your grandfather slayed so much pussy with that.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Interestingly enough, there's an old Pythian castle here in Arcata. http://noehill.com/humboldt/nat1986000263.asp

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

There is also one in Weatherford, TX. It's used to house children who have no family to take them in.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I dub thee fp worthy

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Very cool stuff! Congrats on your historical family find!

11 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 3

I have two Knights of Pythias newspapers from the Charlotte chapter, both from 1898. No clue what to do with them.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Can you please please send me photos of them? That would be great!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

OP... My great grandfather gave me a KP sword... It's different. Please stand by for photos. I don't know anything about it!

11 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Brotherhoods, Clubs, Societies, etc. were very popular in the 19th century.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Pawn Stars will offer you $10 and explain they have overhead expenses, don't fall for this.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

So wait... we technically have a knightship?

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Then that should make me a Son-of-a, Son-of-a, Son-of-a Knight?

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

My grandad was a Grandknight for our local Knight of Columbus. Similar to their swords. Sadly all 4 were lost in the fight that killed him.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Details plssss

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

former national grand chancellor or whatever its called.

10 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

There's another group of Knights founded in the 1860s. But they aren't as well thought of.

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

Are you speaking of the Knights Templar?

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I think he might be referring to the Knights if the KKK.

11 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Sounds about right...

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

K well I have a lego sword so suck it

11 years ago | Likes 36 Dislikes 2

Pics or it didn't happen

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

One shouldn't suck a sword, lego or not.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I have a Lego light saber. Now you suck it!

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

My family has a similar sword...I never knew what it was! Gotta tell mom!

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Please share photos....

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

It might be until I get to my moms. She has it in a display cabinet. But it looks almost identical.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

That would be soooooooooooo cool!

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

It would be! Perhaps our great great grandfather's were comrades!

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Would be nice!

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Well, he lived in time where men were men, women were also men, and children were men. So yea.

11 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 3

i believe several dogs were also men.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

That's why bestiality is illegal in most states. Because of the homosex.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

And three turtles as well.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So...when are we going to steal the declaration of independence?

11 years ago | Likes 89 Dislikes 2

How ironic is this. I used to design movie posters and I worked on National Treasure. I had to model as the body double poster 4 Nick Cage.

11 years ago | Likes 44 Dislikes 0

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaat it was destiny. Go forth and find the national treasure.

11 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

Check it. I used to work in movie posters and they used me to body double for Nick Cage when designing the posters http://imgur.com/bUAjtAr

11 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

Did you ever meet Cage?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Dude that's legitimately awesome!

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Have you seen that show Treasure Quest on Discovery - They are looking for Mayan gold on Snake Island it's amazeballs...

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

I'm have to check it out

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Curious, supposing they do find it, who gets to keep it?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Or bit by snakes... Who knows!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That blade is immaculate.

11 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

Thats all I could think about.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Are you the Dragon reborn?

11 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 1

I wish

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

yes.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Ain't no damn heron mark...

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

So he hunted vampires I take it?

11 years ago | Likes 368 Dislikes 3

All were asking is that the badass knight ordered to have also hunted monsters. Is that too much to ask?!

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Among other things, probably.

11 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Anybody want a ride to the front page? OP seems to be heading there.

11 years ago | Likes 46 Dislikes 7

No joke, that's a cool story. Great family heirloom.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Express train no less.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yeah, I'll come with.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I've got a sword in one hand and up votes in the other!!! Let's do this!

11 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 1

Dude this a really amazing post!

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Thank you, it makes me realize that no matter what I do, someone before me has already done it.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Look, I gotta make a profit here. I'll give you $20

11 years ago | Likes 300 Dislikes 5

Came looking for this reference, was not disappointed.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You mind if I call a buddy of mine who's an expert in Lincoln swords?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I thought that sword would be priceless...but it looks like 75 bucks would get you one :/

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

How are there so many?

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Fuckin' GameStop

11 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Pawn Stars*

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

To be fair, Gamestop does give worse prices.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Op before the deal: "I wanna get at least $1000 or no sale." Op after he sold it for $20: "I'm pretty happy with the deal."

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Alright, could you throw in a copy of Battletoads with that?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I don't know much about swords though. Let me call a buddy of mine to appraise it before I go and spend that much money.

11 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 0

$22 that's the best I can do.

11 years ago | Likes 56 Dislikes 1

20 tree fiddy, final offer.

11 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

and it was at about that time I noticed that Pianotrout was about 8 stories tall and was a crustacean from the protozoic era

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

So America basically had its own Knights of the Round Table? That's badass.

11 years ago | Likes 869 Dislikes 14

Honestly these people sound like they were just annoying wanna-bes.

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 12

wanna-bes compared to who? They were not wanna-bes, they succeeded in being exactly what they wanted to be.

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Compared to the actual military.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 4

I don't know. One of our founding principles as a nation was no titles, like knightships, because we thought all men equal.

11 years ago | Likes 40 Dislikes 2

Except some men are more equal than others.

11 years ago | Likes 42 Dislikes 2

My son said this quote to me not ten minutes ago. We were discussing wood stacking.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Although, in retrospect, you're probably quoting Braveheart where he was quoting Animal Farm.

11 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

I haven't seen Braveheart in years, I was thinking Animal Farm.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

As a British citizen, I find this hilarious. A nation built by slaves whose founding principle is that men are equals..

11 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 6

All white men are equals. Blacks are 3/5 of a person.

11 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

I mean, you do realize we are descended from the same history in which our common British ancestors started the slave trade, right?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yes if course. But our country wasn't founded on freedom..

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Some of the founding Fathers were opposed to slavery, but it wasn't easy to do much about it with such a fragile nation. There was awhole1/2

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

war dedicated to fighting that cause. Hell, we STILL have a difficult time with people flying a flag that symbolizes slavery today.2/2

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Although much of the later economy of the south was dependent on slave labor, the nation was not "built by slaves"

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 4

I don't know why you're being downvoted.. This is very very true

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

The irish slaves of the time (who were worth less than a black slave) would disagree with you.

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

An indentured servant (while a shitty position to be in) is not a slave. Slaves are property, IS are people who you can treat like property

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Seriously that is badass.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

Knights of the Oval Table

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Or like fascist blackshirts...

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Let us not go to Washington. It is a silly place.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

It's only a model...

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

How do you know?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

sshhhh

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

ILLUMINATI ΔΔΔΔ

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Let's hope none of them try to copy Lancelot & Guinevere.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Except these guys existed. The Round Table did not.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yes, and we dance when ere we're able, we do routines and chorus scenes with footwork impeccable. We dine well here in Camelot...

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

We eat ham and jam and spam a lot!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It's more a masons that lets catholics play too.

11 years ago | Likes 169 Dislikes 3

Can I play?

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Isnt that Knights of Columbus?

11 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

KoC is more catholic masons than a non-denominational masons

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Last I checked the Masons don't care if you're catholic. It's the catholics that care if you're a mason. Source, don't have one.

11 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Source a freemason and you can always start with wiki . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_ban_of_Freemasonry - mostly all there

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

How does one become a member of that order?

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Forgive how dated the site is but it's easier than explaining in <140 limit and pretty legit http://www.masonicinfo.com/member.htm

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Wikipedia says that the knights of Pythias were an order similar to free masons, but what ever boats your float, at least you have a sword

11 years ago | Likes 76 Dislikes 5

The pythians have a castle built for orphans in weatherford texas, we brought the kids toys last christmas!!

11 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

Woah woah buddy, stop taking my job.

11 years ago | Likes 45 Dislikes 0

Well I still don't know what the freemasons do, can you enlighten me?

11 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

Ensure the betterment of mankind

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

igetthatreference.jpg

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

ooooo ref time *imgurians swoon*

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

What's the reference?

11 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Freemasonry is largely about enlightenment. Looks like you were accidentatly clever.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Yep this is what I caught as well. +1 for all clever imgurians accidental or other wise!

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

for real? most masons just hang out at the lodge and drink beer and talk about sports away from their wives and children. but others... 1/?

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I think the Masons got him for trying to tell their secrets. RIP

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

RIP @Flanneljack we enjoyed the comments until the freemasons got to y...

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

;)

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Ah! That's so great! I also have one from my Grandfather! I've never seen another.

11 years ago | Likes 926 Dislikes 3

The best I can do is about 10 bucks, man. I mean, I gotta have it appraised and it'll sit in the shop for who knows how long.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My mom has her grandfather's!! This is crazy! We've never known anyone else with one!

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Can you two become knights and bring the Lincoln back into modern day politics? Epic tale that would be

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Upvote for user linking proof.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I may not be OP but I will deliver.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Wish mine was as cool as this just have a nice calvery officers dress sword...

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I have one hanging on the wall! It's not in as good of condition though

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Any chance you can send me photos of your sword? I am trying to do the repost with all of the swords today.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So do I! Or, in the very least, I have a similar one from my Grandfather.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Do you have photos you can send me so I can include them in the repost? I am trying to do it today.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Please share photos guys I will repost all as one!!!

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Mega-Post! An excellent idea!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Soooo you guys are going to get together, find others like you, and form a new age knights of the round table right? I expect updates.

11 years ago | Likes 130 Dislikes 1

Only this time they'll have light sabers.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Winning!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

YES there will be a KP Round 2 with all the swords

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

With our powers combined... we can... reach... over 9000???? I dunno.

11 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 1

I'll forge me a sword if I can join

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I'm with shepsus

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

YESSS. Now I only need 11 more.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

My grandfather had an antique store, and he had two; one of which my dad has, and the other of which hangs on my study wall.

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Post some pics! OP is gunna make a huge compilation album!

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Any chance you can send me some photos of it? I am planning the round 2 for today. Thank you

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So, turns out I was mistaken. Similar in overall design and construction, but entirely different source: /a/25o8B

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Oh, well, maybe not then -- I see some extremely similar ones to mine in the other album -- perhaps different chapters? Either way, nice.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You'll have to send me pictures I would love to see it.

11 years ago | Likes 373 Dislikes 1

Yes please

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Serious question: how do you pronounce Pythias. As far as I can tell there are three possibilities.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Pith e us

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Thank you. It's my pet peeve to know how to pronounce things, because I've mispronounced things and then I got funny looks.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I have one too! I don't think it was well cared for before I got it so it needs some restoration work

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This is so cool thank you so much for sharing this with me

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Alot of similarities to freemasonry too. Interesting. Not that I know anything about that...

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yea I defiantly want to look more into that.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The three ranks are a dead giveaway. The symbolism is also similar in its own way. Ill bet there were some masons in it. Ill look it up.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Asked my dad - it's actually my great great Grandfather's. That generation were really into this kind of thing, huh?!?!

11 years ago | Likes 39 Dislikes 0

Now Kith

11 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

This cracked me up! Haha!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This is like the start of a badass movie...

11 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

Or half of an episode of Pawn Stars.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The secret lies with Charlotte.

11 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Pretty much!!!

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Restart the organisation again.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Here is an album. /a/Wo4PM

11 years ago | Likes 299 Dislikes 0

You two should meet up and clang them together sword-fighting.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Nice, who is the sword maker? It says right where the metal meets the handle!!!

11 years ago | Likes 146 Dislikes 0

I added another photo to the album to show you. Unfortunately it's all scratched up. "Something & Co. Columbus, O"

11 years ago | Likes 87 Dislikes 0

M.C. Lilley & Co. Manufactured between 1893 - 1899

11 years ago | Likes 79 Dislikes 0

+1 for bananas

11 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

I was expecting an elaborate I lied gif. +1 for surprising me.

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You do realize that you are now contractually obligated to duel each other now, right?

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

can we get a picture of the very end of the blade? it looks symmetrically notched. is it?

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Okay I updated the album with a pic.

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

that's the scabbard / sheath / whateryouwannacallit

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm torn between how bad ass this is and how amusing I found the bananas

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I take that as a compliment!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Of the highest form!

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Alright. You know the rules. THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

There can be only one*

11 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

...you die first...

11 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Question: is the sword about 38 inches from end to end? I mathed according to your picture assuming paper dimensions *pushes up glasses

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So close!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yeah give or take hah thanks!

11 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

My stepdad has one as well!

11 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 0

Share it!

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

There are dozens of you! Probably!

11 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Our ranks grow.

11 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0