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Knights of Pythias
My Grandmother gave me this sword 10 years ago before she passed away. She said it belonged to her Grandfather who fought in the Civil War. Thanks to the internet this is what I was able to find out about it. The Knights of Pythias was created during the civil war by President Abraham Lincoln. It was an underground organization conceived for the upholding of government, honoring the flag, for the reuniting of our brethren of the North and of the South, for teaching the people to love one another, and portraying the sanctity of the home and loved ones.
Turns out my Great Great Grandfather was kind of cool. "MEGA" REPOST
On Thursday August 6th, 2015 I created a post about my Great Great Grandfather's sword from the organization the Knights of Pythias (http://imgur.com/gallery/YYDXr). It was the only secret organization funded by the government (specifically President Abraham Lincoln) to keep peace between the North and the South just after the Civil War. In short, having uniformed members of the Union Army in the South after the Civil War would have caused a police state, tension and constant unrest. Instead the KoP was created (my Great Great Grand father a member, proof being the sword) to keep the peace using members of the Union Army dressed in civilian clothes.
Fast forward, Imgurians from all over have come to me with proof that their relatives we're also members of the Knights of Pythias. I have collected all of their images and information and compiled it into one mega KoP post.
Special Thanks to everyone who made their contributions: @smellymustache, @stratus41298, @pleaseconsider, @EdgarAllenPoo, @FluffyCatToots (for supporting @smellymustache), @DrowningNotWalking, @Beinghappyisdoingwhatyoulove, @ReinettePoisson, @WaxyNips, @NiteHamer, @SendMeYourStuff, @zephtato, @Ketaren, @SimonGGordon, @CaptainCornFlakes, @OmegaTengu, @DrJohnnyZoidberg, @HolyMolyBatman, @TwilightBarnOwl, @JohnCalvinAndThomasHobbes
KP Knights of Pythias
Midway down the shaft of the sword is a "K" intertwined with a "P" representing the Knights of Pythias.
J. M. Ferguson
J. M. Ferguson was the name of my great great Grandfather.
Samson
The man hunched over carrying a scroll which is symbolic Samson destroying his enemy's temple has a "F.C.B." above him which represents what the Knights of Pythias stood for "Friendship, Charity, and Benevolence”
The sword was only worn to charter meetings
The Order of Knights of Pythias was the first American Order ever chartered by an Act of the Congress of the United States. The man in the helmet with the lion on top signifies the highest rank (Knighthood). There were three steps to reach full Knighthood – Page, Esquire, and Knight. It is the same in reaching full Knighthood in the fraternity as well. The lion means leadership.
Edit: If you have a sword that is similar to this (or anything Knights of Pythias, news papers, buildings, etc.) pleases message them to me and I will repost them all in one big massive post!!! Enjoy!
LetPein
Here. Here.
MadHakon
I've never heard of them so this was a very interesting read.
TheeGomerPyle
Sounds more mason like than anything. Lodges...upholding of family values ect..
GassyGal
Man, all I inherited from my great great grandparents was a predisposition to high blood pressure and alcoholism. I demand a redo.
MrChiPigg
That's some Lord of the Rings shit right there. So sweet!!!
missbelled
Your grandfather slayed so much pussy with that.
botosai2001
Interestingly enough, there's an old Pythian castle here in Arcata. http://noehill.com/humboldt/nat1986000263.asp
anlicsceadu
There is also one in Weatherford, TX. It's used to house children who have no family to take them in.
MellieMckinna24
I dub thee fp worthy
cheezeweazel
Very cool stuff! Congrats on your historical family find!
darkhunterjenn
I have two Knights of Pythias newspapers from the Charlotte chapter, both from 1898. No clue what to do with them.
Photographixcs
Can you please please send me photos of them? That would be great!
JohnCalvinAndThomasHobbes
OP... My great grandfather gave me a KP sword... It's different. Please stand by for photos. I don't know anything about it!
swinglinered
Brotherhoods, Clubs, Societies, etc. were very popular in the 19th century.
Rotmaster
Best I can do is $20 https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4014/4713195078_e88abc5d19_o_d.jpg
TheBlueMorpho
Pawn Stars will offer you $10 and explain they have overhead expenses, don't fall for this.
GeneralCaptainCrunch
So wait... we technically have a knightship?
Photographixcs
Then that should make me a Son-of-a, Son-of-a, Son-of-a Knight?
apokavkos
My grandad was a Grandknight for our local Knight of Columbus. Similar to their swords. Sadly all 4 were lost in the fight that killed him.
superbest
Details plssss
danieltorresss2
former national grand chancellor or whatever its called.
jscuster
There's another group of Knights founded in the 1860s. But they aren't as well thought of.
Photographixcs
Are you speaking of the Knights Templar?
Auxientius
I think he might be referring to the Knights if the KKK.
Photographixcs
Sounds about right...
ghettojesus
K well I have a lego sword so suck it
iSoulend
Pics or it didn't happen
ligence
One shouldn't suck a sword, lego or not.
dembonz00
I have a Lego light saber. Now you suck it!
Thelibrarianchick
My family has a similar sword...I never knew what it was! Gotta tell mom!
Photographixcs
Please share photos....
Thelibrarianchick
It might be until I get to my moms. She has it in a display cabinet. But it looks almost identical.
Photographixcs
That would be soooooooooooo cool!
Thelibrarianchick
It would be! Perhaps our great great grandfather's were comrades!
Photographixcs
Would be nice!
mymomthinksimspecial
Well, he lived in time where men were men, women were also men, and children were men. So yea.
DoctorSharkface
i believe several dogs were also men.
RandAIFlagg
That's why bestiality is illegal in most states. Because of the homosex.
DoctorSharkface
http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-09/9/17/enhanced/webdr07/anigif_enhanced-buzz-29117-1410297197-10.gif
VoxHavoc
And three turtles as well.
imjakefromstatefarm
So...when are we going to steal the declaration of independence?
Photographixcs
How ironic is this. I used to design movie posters and I worked on National Treasure. I had to model as the body double poster 4 Nick Cage.
imjakefromstatefarm
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaat it was destiny. Go forth and find the national treasure.
Photographixcs
Check it. I used to work in movie posters and they used me to body double for Nick Cage when designing the posters http://imgur.com/bUAjtAr
AviatorMoonshine
Did you ever meet Cage?
imjakefromstatefarm
Dude that's legitimately awesome!
Photographixcs
Have you seen that show Treasure Quest on Discovery - They are looking for Mayan gold on Snake Island it's amazeballs...
imjakefromstatefarm
I'm have to check it out
BhataktiAtma
Curious, supposing they do find it, who gets to keep it?
Photographixcs
Or bit by snakes... Who knows!
Paragon19
That blade is immaculate.
texOIFvet
Thats all I could think about.
vinnycthatwhoibe
Are you the Dragon reborn?
Photographixcs
I wish
cassbandicoot
yes.
MAG101
Ain't no damn heron mark...
TheBiggestOfAllTheButts
So he hunted vampires I take it?
ProfessorWasp
All were asking is that the badass knight ordered to have also hunted monsters. Is that too much to ask?!
ChaosLierLen637
Among other things, probably.
RamblinRedRooster
Anybody want a ride to the front page? OP seems to be heading there.
RamblinRedRooster
No joke, that's a cool story. Great family heirloom.
LP1988
Express train no less.
Osujohn
Yeah, I'll come with.
Photographixcs
I've got a sword in one hand and up votes in the other!!! Let's do this!
KaiWolf1898
Dude this a really amazing post!
Photographixcs
Thank you, it makes me realize that no matter what I do, someone before me has already done it.
PapaBeer
Look, I gotta make a profit here. I'll give you $20
nimporte
Came looking for this reference, was not disappointed.
SanKa13
You mind if I call a buddy of mine who's an expert in Lincoln swords?
ButIDidntDieThoughItWasAJoke
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=knights+of+pythias+sword&_frs=1
BlueSpaceLizard
I thought that sword would be priceless...but it looks like 75 bucks would get you one :/
Rotmaster
How are there so many?
AnusMaximusConquerorofAnus
Fuckin' GameStop
Gnoside
Pawn Stars*
snufl
To be fair, Gamestop does give worse prices.
AlwaysTrustTheManInABigWhiteVan
Op before the deal: "I wanna get at least $1000 or no sale." Op after he sold it for $20: "I'm pretty happy with the deal."
BhataktiAtma
Alright, could you throw in a copy of Battletoads with that?
SolarFusionProduct
I don't know much about swords though. Let me call a buddy of mine to appraise it before I go and spend that much money.
SvarvSven
$22 that's the best I can do.
Pianotrout
20 tree fiddy, final offer.
LittleWolfiee
and it was at about that time I noticed that Pianotrout was about 8 stories tall and was a crustacean from the protozoic era
Point21Gigawatts
So America basically had its own Knights of the Round Table? That's badass.
Nyther53
Honestly these people sound like they were just annoying wanna-bes.
Shepsus
wanna-bes compared to who? They were not wanna-bes, they succeeded in being exactly what they wanted to be.
Nyther53
Compared to the actual military.
IHateApostrophes
I don't know. One of our founding principles as a nation was no titles, like knightships, because we thought all men equal.
NamesIsHardYo
Except some men are more equal than others.
Snooj
My son said this quote to me not ten minutes ago. We were discussing wood stacking.
Snooj
Although, in retrospect, you're probably quoting Braveheart where he was quoting Animal Farm.
NamesIsHardYo
I haven't seen Braveheart in years, I was thinking Animal Farm.
MusicIsJustWigglyAir
As a British citizen, I find this hilarious. A nation built by slaves whose founding principle is that men are equals..
chrishallett83
All white men are equals. Blacks are 3/5 of a person.
megapow
I mean, you do realize we are descended from the same history in which our common British ancestors started the slave trade, right?
MusicIsJustWigglyAir
Yes if course. But our country wasn't founded on freedom..
IHateApostrophes
Some of the founding Fathers were opposed to slavery, but it wasn't easy to do much about it with such a fragile nation. There was awhole1/2
IHateApostrophes
war dedicated to fighting that cause. Hell, we STILL have a difficult time with people flying a flag that symbolizes slavery today.2/2
ThePickle
Although much of the later economy of the south was dependent on slave labor, the nation was not "built by slaves"
ballsohard2202
I don't know why you're being downvoted.. This is very very true
desertbear87
The irish slaves of the time (who were worth less than a black slave) would disagree with you.
ThePickle
An indentured servant (while a shitty position to be in) is not a slave. Slaves are property, IS are people who you can treat like property
Granac
Seriously that is badass.
LuckyWild
Knights of the Oval Table
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
Or like fascist blackshirts...
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
Let us not go to Washington. It is a silly place.
KeyokeRabbit
It's only a model...
Legendariel
How do you know?
anon4444
sshhhh
nothebees
ILLUMINATI ΔΔΔΔ
ChaosLierLen637
Let's hope none of them try to copy Lancelot & Guinevere.
PastaSatan
Except these guys existed. The Round Table did not.
CarniverousRuminant
Yes, and we dance when ere we're able, we do routines and chorus scenes with footwork impeccable. We dine well here in Camelot...
Badger421
We eat ham and jam and spam a lot!
LitchLitch
It's more a masons that lets catholics play too.
wackjack
Can I play?
mcshady
Isnt that Knights of Columbus?
LitchLitch
KoC is more catholic masons than a non-denominational masons
ThePickle
Last I checked the Masons don't care if you're catholic. It's the catholics that care if you're a mason. Source, don't have one.
NiteHamer
Source a freemason and you can always start with wiki . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_ban_of_Freemasonry - mostly all there
Jdonkay
How does one become a member of that order?
NiteHamer
Forgive how dated the site is but it's easier than explaining in <140 limit and pretty legit http://www.masonicinfo.com/member.htm
Flanneljack
Wikipedia says that the knights of Pythias were an order similar to free masons, but what ever boats your float, at least you have a sword
Chrichelle
The pythians have a castle built for orphans in weatherford texas, we brought the kids toys last christmas!!
WikipediaFactCheck
Woah woah buddy, stop taking my job.
Alagane
Well I still don't know what the freemasons do, can you enlighten me?
GrabbinSince05
Ensure the betterment of mankind
iwishjtmoneywasstillavailableitsmyoldvideogamemoniker
igetthatreference.jpg
AlcoholicsAnonymousBYO
ooooo ref time *imgurians swoon*
Alagane
What's the reference?
missing7
Freemasonry is largely about enlightenment. Looks like you were accidentatly clever.
iwishjtmoneywasstillavailableitsmyoldvideogamemoniker
Yep this is what I caught as well. +1 for all clever imgurians accidental or other wise!
Flanneljack
for real? most masons just hang out at the lodge and drink beer and talk about sports away from their wives and children. but others... 1/?
missing7
I think the Masons got him for trying to tell their secrets. RIP
iwishjtmoneywasstillavailableitsmyoldvideogamemoniker
RIP @Flanneljack we enjoyed the comments until the freemasons got to y...
superbest
;)
SmellyMustache
Ah! That's so great! I also have one from my Grandfather! I've never seen another.
jayneebutidontgotagun
The best I can do is about 10 bucks, man. I mean, I gotta have it appraised and it'll sit in the shop for who knows how long.
Microbiogal
My mom has her grandfather's!! This is crazy! We've never known anyone else with one!
AdognamedSneeze
Can you two become knights and bring the Lincoln back into modern day politics? Epic tale that would be
RxGeek
Upvote for user linking proof.
SmellyMustache
I may not be OP but I will deliver.
YuJinX5
Wish mine was as cool as this just have a nice calvery officers dress sword...
TheCornyCornet
I have one hanging on the wall! It's not in as good of condition though
Photographixcs
Any chance you can send me photos of your sword? I am trying to do the repost with all of the swords today.
CheesyChinchilla
So do I! Or, in the very least, I have a similar one from my Grandfather.
Photographixcs
Do you have photos you can send me so I can include them in the repost? I am trying to do it today.
Photographixcs
Please share photos guys I will repost all as one!!!
SmellyMustache
Mega-Post! An excellent idea!
MatrixDM
Soooo you guys are going to get together, find others like you, and form a new age knights of the round table right? I expect updates.
Ryebread91
Only this time they'll have light sabers.
Photographixcs
Winning!
Photographixcs
YES there will be a KP Round 2 with all the swords
SmellyMustache
With our powers combined... we can... reach... over 9000???? I dunno.
Shepsus
I'll forge me a sword if I can join
superbest
I'm with shepsus
Shepsus
YESSS. Now I only need 11 more.
SteveMND
My grandfather had an antique store, and he had two; one of which my dad has, and the other of which hangs on my study wall.
SmellyMustache
Post some pics! OP is gunna make a huge compilation album!
Photographixcs
Any chance you can send me some photos of it? I am planning the round 2 for today. Thank you
SteveMND
So, turns out I was mistaken. Similar in overall design and construction, but entirely different source: /a/25o8B
SteveMND
Oh, well, maybe not then -- I see some extremely similar ones to mine in the other album -- perhaps different chapters? Either way, nice.
Photographixcs
You'll have to send me pictures I would love to see it.
TalosGuideUs
Yes please
grimshow
Serious question: how do you pronounce Pythias. As far as I can tell there are three possibilities.
Photographixcs
Pith e us
grimshow
Thank you. It's my pet peeve to know how to pronounce things, because I've mispronounced things and then I got funny looks.
WaxyNips
I have one too!
I don't think it was well cared for before I got it so it needs some restoration work
Photographixcs
This is so cool thank you so much for sharing this with me
stratus41298
Alot of similarities to freemasonry too. Interesting. Not that I know anything about that...
Photographixcs
Yea I defiantly want to look more into that.
stratus41298
The three ranks are a dead giveaway. The symbolism is also similar in its own way. Ill bet there were some masons in it. Ill look it up.
SmellyMustache
Asked my dad - it's actually my great great Grandfather's. That generation were really into this kind of thing, huh?!?!
LetMeGoogleThatShtForYou
Now Kith
SmellyMustache
This cracked me up! Haha!
SirMaximusPowers
This is like the start of a badass movie...
TheDino
Or half of an episode of Pawn Stars.
fixial
The secret lies with Charlotte.
Photographixcs
Pretty much!!!
slapmyassandcallmesusan
Restart the organisation again.
SmellyMustache
Here is an album. /a/Wo4PM
jval
You two should meet up and clang them together sword-fighting.
Photographixcs
Nice, who is the sword maker? It says right where the metal meets the handle!!!
SmellyMustache
I added another photo to the album to show you. Unfortunately it's all scratched up. "Something & Co. Columbus, O"
JacksonsDaddy
M.C. Lilley & Co. Manufactured between 1893 - 1899
MrDragonfyr
+1 for bananas
CaptainPirate8
I was expecting an elaborate I lied gif. +1 for surprising me.
InboxMeYourBassetHounds
You do realize that you are now contractually obligated to duel each other now, right?
Nepeta33
can we get a picture of the very end of the blade? it looks symmetrically notched. is it?
SmellyMustache
Okay I updated the album with a pic.
GrandPoobahDeDoinkOfAllOfThisAndThat
that's the scabbard / sheath / whateryouwannacallit
vinnyk
I'm torn between how bad ass this is and how amusing I found the bananas
SmellyMustache
I take that as a compliment!
vinnyk
Of the highest form!
IWatchYouFap
Alright. You know the rules. THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!
GrandPoobahDeDoinkOfAllOfThisAndThat
There can be only one*
IWatchYouFap
...you die first...
licensetoillite
Question: is the sword about 38 inches from end to end? I mathed according to your picture assuming paper dimensions *pushes up glasses
SmellyMustache
So close!
licensetoillite
Yeah give or take hah thanks!
mOsquitOhawkMawfia
My stepdad has one as well!
Photographixcs
Share it!
thejollymolly
There are dozens of you! Probably!
SmellyMustache
Our ranks grow.