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Can you imagine being that
stu(bborn)pid? He realized the problem, he realized it was so serious that he told his family. Yet he went on using it cause he wanted to play a game on his iPhone.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2020/02/11/telsa-running-autopilot-repeatedly-veered-toward-spot-where-apple-engineer-later-crashed-died-federal-investigators-say/
After reading some of the comments and having some conversation, I feel this even more.
MeMyselfandyourCat
The comments, the post. The guy's dead. Left a family. And "hur dur dumb apple guy" is what you wanna say?Jeez i have to get off this planet
JimmyEnsem
“The driver sustained fatal injuries and was unable to be interviewed regarding potential in-vehicle distractions,” Jesus!
Finain
Did anyone else read "The driver sustained fatal injuries and could not be interviewed" yeah... no shit
IdiotSavantTinker
To be fair, every day I see people without self driving cars who are playing with their phones.
SlowerDwightYouIgnorantSlut
Thank God.
mydrivec
Maybe the sensor inside that car realized it had a job to do and took care of the problem?
Gochira
The news, "This car might kill you!" My millennial ass, "Sounds like a feature!"
MathewMara
1skin2skin3skin
Yea and may this man BURN FOR FAILING TO ADVANCE OUR SOCIETY. DEATH TO ALL WHO SLIGHTLY LET THEIR GUARD DOWN
JesusofMethlehem
Did he win, though?
LincLoud
People too easily trade security for comfort, even in this regard; a manually controlled vehicle would have been safer but no fruit ninja
fpsnoob
The system literally tells you that you still have to pay attention while using it...
LieutenantScarecrow
I use my cars "Autopilot" only as a backup in case it sees something I miss, which can happen. It is NOT a replacement to driving
Jawesome19
Text and drive like a safe driver like the rest of us
SpammaJamma
It's kind of like a faulty parachute. Just tell your family about it, that should fix the problem.
nirbo
This was 2 years ago? Why a new article about it now?
Bustopher
New documents released by the NTSB this week.
wanjeonhanwalwal
fuck your imgur comment
fettuccine1981
It’s the future. But the transition will be messy while humans still make errors. Once we reach full integration of autonomous vehicles
SpiderProof
They'll still have to deal with pedestrians, bicyclists, etc.
atcggcta
And also alien spacecrafts
SpiderProof
The aliens can't shut down your engine to abduct you if you don't have an engine!
fettuccine1981
Will be much safer as the programming and gps will keep vehicles aware of other vehicles and gps will keep them safe distances apart
fettuccine1981
This will double the speeds at which vehicles can travel safely and change the dynamic of traveling, seats will no longer face forward
fettuccine1981
They will face the center and fully recline, games played, movies watched, work done on your laptop on the way to the office
Galdrack
We've had that technology for decades. They're called trains and they're a lot safer and more efficient too.
OdinYggd
Over my dead body. I refuse to operate or ride in a vehicle that does not have manual controls with the final say in what happens.
OdinYggd
Its my job to fix broken technology. I am all too aware of what can go wrong when the computer makes a mistake.
SuckerOfFun
Never trust a self driving car.
Kougeru
That's not the real issue here
SuckerOfFun
There are multiple issues. If the driver hadn't trusted the self-driving function of the car so much, then he would've survived its error.
IHuggedaCorgiToday
Or human driven car
Ayzay
Or car driven human
annoyedandgame
Or a driven human car
SuckerOfFun
I meant that if you're in the driver's seat you should pay attention because self-driving cars don't adapt well, but you're not wrong. ;)
jansenart
I'd MUCH rather get killed by a robot car than by a douchebag showing off his tiny tiny penis in a BMW or F350.
DrunkKingOfImgur
But how else do I get the superpowers from the movie Upgrade?
SubtleOrc
Yeh because they're demonstrably better than people and improving all the time
SuckerOfFun
Yes, they're demonstrably better in the situations that we have data for, which is what the makers have released test data on. We don't >
SuckerOfFun
have comprehensive data for all possible scenarios because even their makers aren't comfortable using them in all situations yet. Until >
SuckerOfFun
then, it's never a good idea to trust them completely. I'll probably never trust them though, a program is only as good as its worst writer.
FallingStar7669
Usually "a few bugs to work out" isn't lethal. For self-driving cars, a marginally higher standard is needed.
Fatbird
I actually agree with both of you. I think you should definitely trust a self-driving car(planes are almost entirely autonomous!), but 1/
Fatbird
they need a significantly higher standard than usual software. They're already better than people, but they need to go further.
SubtleOrc
Agree with this too
SubtleOrc
Human drivers are very bad at what they do. Nothing is perfect
MacDaddySmitt
Read the article. What a fucking asshole. 2 kids too. For a fucking mobile game. Apple engineer. Should have bought a PC.
MalcontentTroll
Yes, I started the article with a "WTF tesla" thought.. once I read how the idiot was behaving, the incident made more sense.
ImNotTaylorSwift
If you want to play on your phone on your commute, do it. But do it on the bus or the train.
Unverified
Maybe it's just me, but I like driving
boxermotorsarecool
It's not just you
waitwasthatreal
I prefer driving over autopilot, I feel like it could be a massive security risk if any decent chunk of people are doing it in the next >>
waitwasthatreal
Decade or so. A horrendous attack, killing tons of people if the autopilot could be hacked, gps has a bug, or any systemic error.
Hexxxxxxxxx
And Teslas are FUN to drive too... i have one. Only use autopilot in heavy traffic.
KindofaBadPerson
I like driving but I hate drivers... Well, maybe just people in general.
idiotcube
I just want a freeway all to myself. Is that so much to ask for?!
BrwnSgr
36,560 motor vehicle deaths in the U.S. in 2018
fartbiscuit
I hate driving to work but love driving home.
BackfiringE28
Its the best
RackhamTheRed
Never did, never will. Boring af
emptyother
But sometimes it would have been nice to take a break without having to stop the car. Or let the car drive the boring parts.
JokerJeep
I dont even like using cruise control on a highway. And I'm a truck driver
GreedyJungle
Same here. I don’t trust it. Load might get away from me.
JokerJeep
If I have to stop quick I dont want to worry about cruise control not turning off. Keep the Jake on and pedal to the metal
ABillionDucks
Doesn't it automatically disengage with your brake?
ShadyVermin
Same here. Even on long straight stretches, I don't trust it.
JokerJeep
Dont trust it, dont like it. Just like automatics give me an 18speed anyday
EzekielsRage
I don't care how much you enjoy or don't enjoy driving, are you good at it is the question.
margaretolson
I think I’m good, but not great. Still have things to learn and can always be better. I’m 31 and only got my license 11 months ago so I 1/
margaretolson
2/pay serious attention. The behaviour of some other drivers is just beyond me.
Livefromlalaland
Being good is good but knowing you suck (like me) can be valuable too
Unverified
Never had an at fault accident and I only pass in the left lane.. so I'm okay
EzekielsRage
It was rhetorical but I live in Cali so the more drivers we can get off the road the better.
StigsMilwaukeeCousin
Very
CatsAreOurGods
but that's not the point - the point is humans as a group suck at driving
somedaystherejustarentenoughrocks
Professional long haul chauffeur here, love driving. Most jobs now spent anticipating texting drivers movements. Modern disease gone viral.
isaypoopythingabecausemostofyouannoyme
I like driving but if I could take the hour commute and learn a language or online class I’d be in
stingerau
Get a load of this guy pretending he wouldn't just be on Imgur on his commute.
isaypoopythingabecausemostofyouannoyme
.. that’s fair.
Jessicarrrlove
I don't mind it, I'm always almost the DD and shit, but I hate other drivers and I much prefer night driving.
Ryanator50
I absolutely hate it. if I die in a car wreck, I want it to be someone else's fault.
Magus25
I like driving without a destination, but trying to efficiently get between A and B I'd let the car do it.
ItsFRONKENsteen
I own a Tesla. Unlike the dude this post is about, I drive my car the right way. Tesla’s are magic in traffic, taking over the stop and go.
ItsFRONKENsteen
But I’m always watching. Sometime the AP does stupid things. Like the ones described here. I’ve been driving with it two years. It has
ItsFRONKENsteen
Avoided a few near miss situations for me. It has false alarmed many times. Overall I see where it’s going. We all need it. Some MORE
cancerriddenlung
Me too.
JokerJeep
I cant even read the article :(
blkbox
Disable javascript. This disables the anti-ad-blockers, plus, no ads!
jetah
BojanglesTheFlyingCar
Tesla is a car company still thinking it's a software company.
SmokyDoggg
Lol even if my car had autopilot I don't think I'd use it. Too many variables! No way it can handle all things that it could encounter.
88wut
“You have completed the Tesla Guinea Pig program. Thank you for participating. Good bye.”
wrenchhead
If my car does the same dangerous thing when I let it drive itself (not supposed to do, are we?), maybe I don’t let it drive itself anymore.
madman604
Come on, man. That's just using common sense. Where's the fun in that?
WhyDontYouMakeMe
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, can't get fooled again
DoorbyTheHouseShelf
?Fool me twice can't put the blame on you, fool me three times fuck the street signs, autopilot Tesla is gonna kill you! ?
ultradongle
ElbowDeepInUserSub
There’s a huge trust. I see it all the time when people come up to me and say, ‘I don’t want you to let me down again.’
GroovyCrowley
BeesKneesJohanson
wrenchhead
Saving this gif for later use (perhaps against myself)
GroovyCrowley
I just found it and it's already one of my favorite gifs
Targe0
Or you drive past the problem spot then left it do it again. Its not that hard.
GroovyCrowley
No when you are driving a car you pay attention to the street, it's not that hard.
Targe0
Key thing there, "When you are Driving" this happened because the car was the one driving.
GroovyCrowley
No this happened cause the DRIVER was playing with his phone.
Targe0
Then its not really an issue to do with Auto cars since people do that in normal cars as well.
simplefishy
Kept playing on his iPhone. FFS you’re still meant to pay attention when using autopilot
lookitupyourself
Unlikely
Gayforbae
I mean, i know. But then whats the point?
Argondey
It's been amazing for road trips, you still watch the road, but it's a lot less tedious.
ModsSometimesHeedMyScamWarnings
Exactly! Some of us learned how to play on our phone while driving a manual car. Wait what did you say?
Treblaine
johnvictor
The thought of not knowing what's going on around me as I drive is terrifying.
CammieCakes
This is why the should not be allowed to market it as "autopilot". It's not.
neborno
Even autopilot in planes isnt autopilot. Pilots are sitting there, focused on what it is doing.
BlastFX
Companies have abused warning labels to weasel out of warranties to a point where we as a society just don't trust them anymore.
CammieCakes
Yea let's not make excuses for people who wilfully abuse even the most basic instructions of a product.
BlastFX
My swimming goggles came in a package saying “do not expose to chlorinated or salt water.” How am I supposed to take warnings seriously?
CammieCakes
Buy better swimming goggles.
SkeletonsLoveBooty
It's exactly autopilot. Should we call it the "does 98% of your job" button?
funnyguy10
funnyguy10
Stop making this guys job so easy
OldManEli
“The driver sustained fatal injuries and was unable to be interviewed.."
SithElephant
You can do interviews after fatal injuries if they are not immediately fatal. (And of course manage to get the interview)
sexysexyjesus
Journalists today don't even interview dead people anymore. This wouldn't have happen in the 70's or 80's when every one was on drugs.
valen00
remember the court transcript about the dudes brain in a jar on the examiners desk? "he could have been alive and practising law"
proracing53
stormlv
I can't wrap my head around this kind of stupidity
Thisisntactuallyme
Carelessness the thought that you'll be fine because the other times seemed to have been
9byte
I think people become desensitized to this shit too quickly
TheHoleStretcher3000
Well it is a car
SuperDuperSkateTeam
eazolan
Oh it gets better. He was so successful in life, he was able to buy an auto driving Tesla.
BulletToofTony
And the wife is suing Tesla iirc
banur
Well, the guy did wrap his head around the barrier.
stormlv
http://i.imgflip.com/1lmbq5.jpg
1skin2skin3skin
You're a piece of shit. You dont know this man, his family, his life. That's a human life that you trash to get a laugh.
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1skin2skin3skin
Imagine see your love one smeared in a false narrative on the internet
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Wubbalubbadubdubb101
That was a perfect hook, line and sinker if I've ever seen one.
DeadPcCat
JustSomeDegenFromUpcountry
wetmonkey
JeffGodofBiscuits
OrcLuck
I reckon a too soon is called for.
Richter12x2
This stupidity gives me hope that we ARE slowly culling the herd
bigrubberjohnny
I can. I’ve been here a lot longer than you.
Argimor
Do you realize how impossibly smart you have to be to know how stupid someone can be?
GeneralNuclear
People are just large children that grew up too fast.
GorillaPowers
He was an apple engineer
Nunyajonesinc
Have you been out there lately?
jhgaaafvvbuiewadbvvbjmiurs
out *here*
Nunyajonesinc
I try to stay in here
jhgaaafvvbuiewadbvvbjmiurs
wherever you are, that's where it is
theyar
All of this autopilot shit needs to be pulled until it works a little better.
SoraHjort
they'll look at the blackbox (Tesla cars have them) and find out that autopilot wasn't on, or the driver did something manually.
kualityE
Ya that's exactly what will always been found to be the cause bc ppl do something manual to correct at the last moment.
SoraHjort
this is usually what the outcome is when people make claims that the car did something on autopilot. Also the term is misleading, as it's
SoraHjort
not a self driving mode.
1skin2skin3skin
Wait....did you not read the article? I'm shocked....
DemSumBigAssRidges
It's behind a pay wall for me.
BeesKneesJohanson
As a software engineer, how do you not consider that a bug that should be taken care of? Or at least let Tesla know?
leanestbenis
Tesla doesn't care.
seedye
There isn’t a bug like “if thatGuysBarrier : runIntoIt()”. The AI is making a statistically sound judgement call based on available 1/
seedye
data. They’re using data from hundreds of thousands of hours of cars driving to train the AI. As any owner can tell you...it’s not that 2/
seedye
reliable. I think we’re still over a decade away from complete autonomy. AI has to be perfect, or there needs to be massive rework of 3/
seedye
roads, a secure open standard for car2car AI communication, and then 15-20 years for all the cars on the road to get to the standard. 4/
seedye
Neither is happening this year, no matter what Elon promises. 5/5
Isorikk
Tesla automatically sends data of user correction to their servers, you've already reported it by simply correcting the car.
Isorikk
In fact, the car watches everything you do and tries to predict it. If it fails to predict your action, it will report it.
Isorikk
Since the FSD software is a learning AI, most of the data it has is billions of hours of the cars watching people drive them.
Isorikk
A buddy of mine had a similar problem where the car would try to drive over a break in the lane markings. It stopped after a few months.
colonelaronson
you'd think you'd want to be careful about training your model on actual human driving. could bake in operator error
kemsat
As a regular ass person, that’s something that needs to be shared with the manufacturer not just your family & friends.
CoffeeZombie
For all we know, he *did*, and it got filed away as a bug report somewhere and they'll get to it in the next epic or something.
Arcanum3000
"I'm sure they already know about it." "It's not my job to test their software."
Lobuttomize
Must've thought it'll get patched at some point
falk0r420
Or maybe just drive that stretch that it kept wanting to turn at...
Fatbird
I'm pretty sure every single developer at Tesla would have been *extremely* interested in that story just from a professional curiosity 1/
Fatbird
standpoint. The same barrier? Every single time? And no other barrier? That's an easily reproducible, isolatable bug! That's like a unicorn!
CanadianEngineer
Unfortunately, depending on how that bug manifests, it’s probably crazy hard to fix. Source: ML Researcher.
BeesKneesJohanson
Well it certainly is an edge case. No pun intended. But clearly it was reproducible. At least in this man’s commute.
Beezlebubble
Not reading it as a barrier. Not correctly marked as one. If it's a concrete one maybe it's painted or something or has markings throwing
Beezlebubble
Off the sensors/giving irregular feedback. To make the system think to go after it as if it's part of the road (in my quick guess) that's
Beezlebubble
All I can imagine. I'm not a technical engineer by any means but that's what it sounds like. Car thinks it's part of the road
Fatbird
It uses radar to detect physical objects, so this shouldn't have ever happened. That's what makes it such an interesting problem.
Qualtagh
As a software tester, how do you report the bug without reproducing it a few times?
Alex1514
By being an apple employee
Qualtagh
(Too soon, or just too niche of a joke?)
RealRaceRiotsAreAboutGettingBlueshelledInMarioKart
Hey, he's got a wife and kids. Let's test this bug, people!
BeesKneesJohanson
Well it was a hell of a report.
dunewolf
arrogance? stupidity? laziness?
1skin2skin3skin
Well you clearly know this man right? Enlighten us
CongratsYouAreHereNow
or maybe... not being a software engineer and understanding how to handle these problems
GadenKerensky
He noticed a reoccurring problem and failed to inquire about it with the manufacturers.
stevencloser
And kept doing the thing that caused the problem.
TarekValon
Guess he figured it wasn't that bad and he could learn to live with it.
plonk422
have you ever tried telling Front Line Support about an edge case issue? i'd rather donate blood than retell the issue to multiple drones
valen00
shibboleet
plonk422
slowly working your way up the chain that rarely tells the next level up wtf you told them is going on
stevencloser
You can write them the bug report while donating blood. Win-win.
excepttheoneswhoaredead
I had to do this with Microsoft regarding an Exchange bug. Took months.
infernopg
well he was an engineer for apple ^^
TacticalTurban42
Savage
Megallion
it was an "accident"
1skin2skin3skin
You should tell that to his wife and two children. WHAT A BURN
infernopg
pretty sure they are aware of that fact. They are also aware of the self driving feature not working, he told them.
minkfarm
stankginchfurbuger
Just like his flesh... I assume
1skin2skin3skin
Did you not like my joke?
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iScreenshotProfiles
I can’t tell if you have a bad dark sense of humor, or if you’re satirically trying to point out the morbidity of these comments.