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docHolidei
So it is ok to see people get killed, but not getting nude
PiratedVhsTapes
If I remember correctly the last officer died from his wounds but he touched the back of the car to leave a finger print.
gunther9
this is the only side I always see on imgur
teuro
I'm so glad there's so many handguns around. Makes the place so much safer.
MyFavoritesIsAllComics
"I ain't goina back to jail mudafawker" -worthless MF probably
cleverwittyusername
That doesn't mean you should assume everyone is about to kill you
EccolImportantePeroECheNonDiciCazzate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
iMemeThere4iAm
THIS
RiverRoyal
USA needs to spend some tax money on identifying the root causes of violence in their culture/society. Once you know what the problem is 1/
2/ then you can spend some more taxpayers money dealing with the problems. At the moment the argument is oversimplified to guns/no guns
BearRaid
Look how safe all these guys are.
inspiringandfunnyusernamecoolheh
And now Russian traffic videos seem to be like a civil argument compared.
thisisjustmytemporaryusername
As a dispatcher, this is my biggest fear. Not having a unit close enough to back up the primary unit.
biolologist
How often do you worry about the officers you send to a call killing an innocent person?
Actually never. The officers at my agency are great. Once one of them arrested someone wrongfully and he was fired. We have a good chief.
Where is this out of curiosity? Must be a fairly small area to not have a distressing level of misconduct.
East Texas
Near Galveston?
CapitalizingOnTheAbsenseOfAReasonableUsernameCharacterLimit
Fuck... The first officer didn't even shoot the guy when he pulled out his gun.
raidleadergutts
Funny how none of the power-tripping, trigger-happy psycho cops stumble upon guys like these. The problem would sort itself out.
captainjenkins
Don't pull the gun unless you intend to use it.
The guy tried to pull the gun on the cop. The cop got his gun out first, and instead of taking a life, he gave him a chance to surrender.
MikeVick
Cops are different, they pull it if they feel a situation could result in deadly force. Basically the gun is a dick waving contest.
That's what guns are to cops. They are the final step to getting someone to stand down before it's too late.
SithRuleOfTwo
I always consider both sides. These are clear instances of the cop being in clear danger. But being on someones chest, arms pinned down...
Greaticalia164
Somehow the answer is we need more guns because guns = safety
BlueBomber05
If the cops were armed too, these situations wouldn't have happened...wait
ZombieZooZombieZoo
Unlike the half naked lady posts, this one actually needs to be marked mature.
BigDaddyBacon
No. More people need to see this to know what kind of morons there are in this world.
Mirawatts
It's still mature content. A LOT of people don't like seeing others die. I agree it's important to see, but it's serious shit.
ImmaEaty0Face
I don't see how watching someone get shot/killed can affect someone's day in the slightest. Maybe it's just me....
Eyesofaknee
If watching a person get killed elicits zero reaction from you, you may need to see a therapist for that desensitization issue.
ooMogar
Nope if you're gonna complain about nudity you're damn well gonna mark footage of murders.
FaithAlone
The only thing these videos have in common with everything going on right now is the guns. Maybe we just have too many damn guns.
Correlation is not causation. You know what else is in all of these clips? Criminals and police officers.
pwnface
Maybe we have too many police officers around, we should ban cops and see what happens.
outoforbit500g
you know how it goes; blame the gun, not the person. never consider the factors that lead to violence, that requires too much mental effort.
WaterTastesLikeWater
you can never get rid of crime or criminals. guns just make crime more deadly.
VilleVisnen
In my country police operate in pairs. There is always two
themanwithoutaplanB
Bottom gif: touching the car prior to approaching to be able to document with fingerprints/dna that the officer was at the car.
OpenFacedClubSandwich
Everyone acknowledges it's a dangerous job. And just as measures are implemented to reduce the harm to cops by criminals1/2
we also need to implement measures to reduce the harm to civilians by cops.2/2
No no, all cops are heroes and saints and if you refuse to accept this and worship them you must be a rapist and murderer!
sol3141
Welcome to the job, if youd rather some innocent collateral casualties than your own life, youre in the wrong line of work.
Emilide
Take the guns out of each of these instances and it can't escalate that quickly.
screenaholic
A knife would have been just as bad in the first one.
Mostly agreed. I think he'd have had more of a chance defending against a knife than a gun. Knifes are still nasty though in the wrong hands
Thereisnosafeword
You think a cop unaware that the person he was arresting had a knife would be able to defend against it? LOL. Confirmed. You're retarded.
You're fucking retarded. In that first one, even without guns, the officer is outnumbered. It EASILY could have escalated.
I am not fucking retarded. I think that having fewer guns in the hands of civilians would help reduce the whole police getting shot part.
You are fucking retarded. Sorry you had to find out this way.
Mycologics
So as a Dutch man I don't know what it's like living in the US but after seeing this how can you NOT be for gun regulations
TheGrayBox
As an American, I stopped caring. I'm applying for jobs abroad. Fuck most Americans and they're self destructive opinions.
You know how many cops have died because they were shot in the last few years? None. The answer s none
KharnApproves
5 cops were killed by a sniper in Dallas less than a day ago. Unfuck yourself
I was talking about my own country. I understand that it's not always comparible
He's Dutch, you illiterate moron.
HalloweenAintTillManana
We have plenty of gun regulations. We just have a lot of bad people.
Then why have them available for so many people?
We just have so many they can be purchased illegally. The govt trying to take them back would lead to nothing less than a civil war.
So you're saying that there are people who will kill their fellow citizens in order to protect the availability of illegal guns?
No but legal guns turn into illegal ones in the wrong hands so they would have to take legal guns from legal gun owners to change things.
whytezombie
because bad guys with guns will still have guns.
chickenfriedriceisdabomb
Gotta love the lib-tards downvoting complete common sense like this.
But the petty robber and thief don't have guns. Or if they have them it's never used.
There are bad guys with guns her too. Yet there have almost zero incidents. The incidents that happened were between organised crime members
I have so much to type, but I don't feel like talking to a wall. Nothing I type will change your mind.
You're right it probably won't change my mind about guns. But I'm genuinely curious what your reason for having them in your country is
Give me your main reason then. We don't have to agree nor do I have to change my mind. That's the thing about a discussion. To learn
Frelock
Having guns is a deterrent both to tyranny and to crime. CDC study said that more guns were used to prevent crimes than to perpetrate them.
Secular
You're not wrong in that being an officer is dangerous but we hold them to a higher standard BECAUSE we give them power over us.
SomeGuyYourMomKnows
Your higher standards are unobtainable and the alternative is anarchy. I'll take a trigger happy copy of a rapist on my daughter any day.
Not pulling your gun as a first resort or having a modicum of self control is "unobtainable"? Sure you know what that word means?
wrathbaby
I don't think you meant to say you want "a trigger happy copy of a rapist on my daughter". I really don't.
*over - thanks
I don't think that makes it better? You would rather have a trigger happy copy of a rapist THAN your daughter? I am so confused.
140 characters man.. If I could type you a 1000 word report on my opinion I would. He got it, I got down voted. End of story.
FallOfOlympus
What's the point in even having police if they don't have "power over us". That's the same as me telling you not to do something then.
pleasesarah
Where will we find 1,000,000 officers w/ no regard for their own safety, nerves of steel, perfect situational awareness, reaction time, etc?
jinxhacker
Welcome to the U.S. military. Where if you fuck up. They will run you over with a bus. Back up and roll over you again.
pintDMG
This is how Robocop starts. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
MydeslyxiasFunnyToMe
We need to train them better. It wouldn't be perfect, but it would be much better for everyone.
I think also what people don't realize is that their are probably 1000 non-shootings that could or should be every day in the US by cops...
2/3 with people in the street on a day-to-day basis. The only training that would work in these situations is "disregard your own...
that do wait (perhaps in spite of better judgment). We hear about cherry picked events and not the multitude of defused situations
1/3 I was a cop in a capital city. We trained for almost a year, get constant in-service training, and practical training dealing...
You say that but they are the people with the guns and bullet proof vests
No sense of humor these people
imapencil
If the standard is measured by the next potus, serial criminal or a joke... then...
tekkblade
This might be long but, "disparate impact of police on PoC" isn't real. When you look at number of police interactions with different 1/
races you find that white people have a higher rate of being killed by police than persons of color. Running tally thus far this year 2/
http://killedbypolice.net/
AnotherRegularDude
I've seen the first two gifs - the officer survives in the first and second gif, but that third one ...I'm just hoping that he wasn't killed
underlord2132
We got a girl completely naked and people dying on front page. It's blurry, but still. Wtf imgur?
dresdenreader
2016 is 1 AB - Bowie kept the universe together.
bulpii
what was the girl completely naked about? what was the post about?
Stockyhome
LEOs need to be with a partner. A minimum safety requirement imo
CmdrZellgaudis
Though I completely agree that they need two officers for their own safety.
SengirArchangel
People in general aren't a fan of their taxes increasing to cover costs of new hires or anything really. Took 5 votes for our new school.
Skyraptor
Budget Cuts
I agree with you completely, just saying. so yeah
Zipp4Real
Its law here in Sweden. I think it should be everywhere. There's just so much you can do alone, a partner can save lives!
jadespider
Sounds good, tell it to your city council and mayor to stop cutting police budgets and maybe they can actually do that.
Geelsmark
In Denmark it's standard - i have never seen a cop alone
elleyea
Funding of my department doesn't allow for partners.
InternetGoodGuy
A lot of departments don't have the staffing to maintain it though
TekPriest1975
I work IT supporting County and Municipal Depts. I am all for body/gun cameras and feel that dashcams should be streamed direct to (cont)
dispatch or their supervisors offices. The more eyes on the situation the less likely either side is going to overreact. IMHO
GildedCrane
In Canada the RCMP is exclusively solo, even jn metro areas. Keeps costs down.
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Yeah but we don't shoot constables and they don't shoot us. A traffic stop in Canada is usually a peaceful.
As a former officer...they can't even hire enough people to fill the vacancies let alone double up. Also, who's gonna pay for that?
Zitronensalat
You are in this mess, because you hate taxes and you love your guns.
I would LOVE to see more taxes going to police and less going to entitlement programs numbnuts
Bootsy81
Probably even less chance of hiring good people now. Honestly, who'd sign up to be a cop in America these days? Need rocks in your head IMO.
BewareTheJabberwockie
I have a co-worker who wants to be cop. He worked as a volunteer police officer until he just couldnt afford it anymore. He has the >
> training and everything. He loved working as an officer so much and its hard to see him as he kind of crumbles working at a call center.
OtherDay
And why is this not an issue in the rest of the western world? Ah yes, the guns.
Studies show that when LEOs ride solo, they act less impulsively since they know that they must wait for backup, letting adrenaline abate.
iowawhiteboy
I was about to say the same thing
I can't really argue with that but it's high risk work, a partner can give first aid etc. I'd hope training could help impulsivity in pairs
PiffTheMagicDildo
Not true at all. The only reason LEOs ride around solo is manning and budgets. All police departments would love two man squads.
Wolokos
Interesting
Jacxy
So do we put us in harms way, or do we put cops in harms way?
At this point, is there a difference? Can the cycle be broken once violence has washed into the culture and the trust is lost?
Howdoilife
Time to start the Purge I guess
I apologize for the ignorance, but, what's a LEO?
shinymetalassassin
Someone born between July 23rd and August 21st.
ChefExcellence
Low Earth Orbit?
andaevinn
This! In my country (Switzerland) they always patrol in pairs, minimum, sometimes three... In France it's the same. It's safer that way!
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It's the same in Germany. I don't know how to translate "Eigensicherung" but it's the german term.
EloraLyon
English literal translation: "self assurance".
thank you. :)
NiHZ
I really didn't need to see people die before bed.
SaturnineCult
At least the first gif officer survived, i remember seeing that clip somewhere long ago. I think 3rd one too.
Qumefox
Actually if more stuff like this was actually propagated by the media every time it happened, shit likely wouldn't be as bad as it is now.
Imapurpletoaster
I prefer to believe that they all live and that unicorn exist
What? I really believe in unicorn!
thatguywhohasnoname
Omg i found one of your comments!
\o/ YAS
daginne
Yes you did.
Haagus
#2 lived. Oregon Highway Patrol. He fatally shot that guy who drove off and bled out a bit down the road.
TheGreatAnhey
Wasn't the dude ex military too?
gramirnatsee
Good! Shooting an innocent person let alone a cop fuck that guy. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
so you... needed a .. dare i say it... TRIGGER WARNING?
They lived. But I should have put some warning. My bad!
UsernameRelevance
My dad's a cop, I feel better knowing these guys made it
IIRC top did not survive. Source?
cockiemonster
even that homie that got shot like 6 times in first GIF?
EwokOnAUnicorn
Seriously all of them??? Even the first??? Must be vikings in disguise.
MrHood
How did the top guy live!? Man he's lucky
DutchyMcDutch
body armor and they don't appear to be aiming very well
ifyouareacuntanyouknowitclapyourflaps
One day...hopefully....America will actually stop and think and put strict gun laws in place
InfiniteSynapse
Law =/= Enforcement. Law is what you want people to follow. Enforcement is what you use when they don't.
MothballMystery
There are tons of gun laws, and strict ones for that matter. I don't recall the last time I bought a gun without a background check.
ontop of that it all definitely goes into a registration system with a serial number tied to my information *you know just in case i sell it
TheFinalDoctor
One day...hopefully...America will have a peaceful culture without losing any of its rights
beaupedia
Or we accept it's a stupid fucking "right" written 250 years ago about muskets.
PolarHailStorm
You say that, but from a non-US perspective it's like you put the difficulty on hard mode and haven't understood how to play yet, sadly.
FelixG
I like this Analogy, America is the Dark Souls of the world, Get gud or Get out! :P
I guess, but it's a shame because those that don't 'get gud' suffer, from shootings or healthcare debt or student debt and so on.
(As a gamer, I really like that comment). I grew up being told doing what's right isnt always the easiest thing. And freedom is what's right
Like slavery?
fuck off troll.
Oh I apologise. Did I just win the arguement so you had to resort to 'fuck off troll"?
Notanotherdamnone
Brilliant
It was once a right to have slaves in the states wasn't it? Rights can and should be changed for the safety of everyone
Dude, I'm agreeing with you
CaCaKatana
Ever heard of the Constitution?
gin1105
The same pen that wrote the words you jerk to wrote that some people weren't worth as much as others. Mayhap we take another glance.
willywonkalikedmychocolate
Then go back to muskets and not automatic weapons cause that what the constitution intended
Ever heard of amendments to the constitution?
subjug8r
Yeah I actually have. Coincidentally, the second amendment literally has the words "WE'LL REGULATED" in the text. If firearms aren't 1/2
.....well regulated then it is in itself a violation of the constitution. This is the lie we have told ourselves. That regulation is counter
That ignores the entire point.
PhantomWang
Ever heard of Chicago? They have the strictest gun laws in the country. How's that working out for them? Hint: not so good
One small area, surrounded by places with lax control, it's impossible to stop people bringing them in. It means nothing
[deleted]
SHOUT A LOGICAL FALLACY TO PROVE A POINT
Ever hear of literally every other developed country in the world? Federal gun laws work, city gun laws are useless
Holyshitballsoup
Ever heard of Australia? They have some of the strictest gun laws in the world. How's that working out for them? Hint: pretty well actually
PitbullsPublicist
how's the chicago border control working out ?
Thanks to lax gun laws in other states. Do some research before spewing more stupidity.
JustJacque
Doesn't matter how strong one places laws are when there is freedom of movement between it and places with lax laws.
Point is that those who want to break the law will do it. Magazines over 10 bullets are illegal in CA now. Didn't see gangs lining up to 1/2
Turn them in. 2/2
And yet it works in pretty much every other country in the world that has implemented restrictions.
it would work better if people in Chicago couldn't just hop the boarder to Indiana and get one there. Gun laws have to be strict everywhere
Would also be better if america had stronger borders that kept illegal firearms from black markets. #fastandfurious
Chronicle
We don't even have to hop the border. We can just drive 20 minutes to a suburb or wait till a gun show comes to McCormack place
lancelittle15
False. Background checks with state issued IDs required. No FFL dealer in Indiana will sell to someone with an Illinois ID.
Rogahar
As a non-murican - what's FFL?
Federal Firearms License. It's a license that is required to sell guns professionally. 99% of commercial dealers are FFL.
I guess it's just an inconvenient fact that people other than FFL dealers can sell guns, huh?
(1/2) While that is possible, it's at the risk of the seller. If the firearm is tied to a crime, they are tied to it. Most private sellers
I'd love to sell a gun with a serial # tied to my information to a random person with a tear drop tattoo. Love to be tied to a murder! >.>
FatBoobsDontCount
that day was Sandyhook
Nothing was even done.
JumpTheCheeseburger
I lost all hope after that. If nothing was done after something like that, it never will be.
exactly
Wastyvez
Except making guns illegal will have a significant effect on the black market, especially combined with LE cracking down on illegal sales.
Just today, 10 police officers were shot while armed and surrounded by other armed officers. And police aren't chickens either.
DRVerstenbad
It won't. Too many people are hung up. There would be a violent uprising with guns.
Most likely. Too busy wanting their toys to care about the innocents dying around them
dannicusrex
That top one is brutal. Don't ever let anyone tell you that cops don't have a dangerous job.
CrazyCatLad
No one has ever told me that.
BigRedMonkeyButts
Yeah... it haunted me pretty hard when I saw the full video with sound.
zpjon
Of course their job is dangerous, it's just not the MOST dangerous. Many jobs are much more dangerous
SocoFox
Those are dangerous because of accidents or heavy machinery, not dangerous because of malicious intent from another human.
And?...
nacko
I think it's different because in those jobs, you typically don't need to make a decision on whether or not to harm someone else.
Other jobs being more dangerous is irrelevant, that's why.
Didn't say it was the most dangerous. But a routine traffic stop can turn into a firefight in a split second.
I'm surprised it's so dangerous to be a pilot but not sure that I should be.
Dangerous compared to what?
stinkycheezmonky
Just because being a cop is safer than other things doesn't mean it isn't a dangerous occupation. That's a fallacy of relative privation.
returnoftheboombap
This whole comment section is a logical fallacy
Compared to almost literally anything else in the modern civilian world. Like maybe, I dunno, a fucking biologist?
It's safer to be a cop than it is to be a firefighter. Safer to be a cop than a miner. Safer to be a cop than a factory worker.
flyboy14295
Um, Police Officer LODD'S are way higher than Fire LODD'S.
Not counting Dallas, 36-53.
docHolidei
So it is ok to see people get killed, but not getting nude
PiratedVhsTapes
If I remember correctly the last officer died from his wounds but he touched the back of the car to leave a finger print.
gunther9
this is the only side I always see on imgur
teuro
I'm so glad there's so many handguns around. Makes the place so much safer.
MyFavoritesIsAllComics
"I ain't goina back to jail mudafawker" -worthless MF probably
cleverwittyusername
That doesn't mean you should assume everyone is about to kill you
EccolImportantePeroECheNonDiciCazzate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
iMemeThere4iAm
THIS
RiverRoyal
USA needs to spend some tax money on identifying the root causes of violence in their culture/society. Once you know what the problem is 1/
RiverRoyal
2/ then you can spend some more taxpayers money dealing with the problems. At the moment the argument is oversimplified to guns/no guns
BearRaid
Look how safe all these guys are.
inspiringandfunnyusernamecoolheh
And now Russian traffic videos seem to be like a civil argument compared.
thisisjustmytemporaryusername
As a dispatcher, this is my biggest fear. Not having a unit close enough to back up the primary unit.
biolologist
How often do you worry about the officers you send to a call killing an innocent person?
thisisjustmytemporaryusername
Actually never. The officers at my agency are great. Once one of them arrested someone wrongfully and he was fired. We have a good chief.
biolologist
Where is this out of curiosity? Must be a fairly small area to not have a distressing level of misconduct.
thisisjustmytemporaryusername
East Texas
biolologist
Near Galveston?
CapitalizingOnTheAbsenseOfAReasonableUsernameCharacterLimit
Fuck... The first officer didn't even shoot the guy when he pulled out his gun.
raidleadergutts
Funny how none of the power-tripping, trigger-happy psycho cops stumble upon guys like these. The problem would sort itself out.
captainjenkins
Don't pull the gun unless you intend to use it.
CapitalizingOnTheAbsenseOfAReasonableUsernameCharacterLimit
The guy tried to pull the gun on the cop. The cop got his gun out first, and instead of taking a life, he gave him a chance to surrender.
MikeVick
Cops are different, they pull it if they feel a situation could result in deadly force. Basically the gun is a dick waving contest.
MikeVick
That's what guns are to cops. They are the final step to getting someone to stand down before it's too late.
SithRuleOfTwo
I always consider both sides. These are clear instances of the cop being in clear danger. But being on someones chest, arms pinned down...
Greaticalia164
Somehow the answer is we need more guns because guns = safety
BlueBomber05
If the cops were armed too, these situations wouldn't have happened...wait
ZombieZooZombieZoo
Unlike the half naked lady posts, this one actually needs to be marked mature.
BigDaddyBacon
No. More people need to see this to know what kind of morons there are in this world.
Mirawatts
It's still mature content. A LOT of people don't like seeing others die. I agree it's important to see, but it's serious shit.
ImmaEaty0Face
I don't see how watching someone get shot/killed can affect someone's day in the slightest. Maybe it's just me....
Eyesofaknee
If watching a person get killed elicits zero reaction from you, you may need to see a therapist for that desensitization issue.
ooMogar
Nope if you're gonna complain about nudity you're damn well gonna mark footage of murders.
FaithAlone
The only thing these videos have in common with everything going on right now is the guns. Maybe we just have too many damn guns.
Mirawatts
Correlation is not causation. You know what else is in all of these clips? Criminals and police officers.
pwnface
Maybe we have too many police officers around, we should ban cops and see what happens.
outoforbit500g
you know how it goes; blame the gun, not the person. never consider the factors that lead to violence, that requires too much mental effort.
WaterTastesLikeWater
you can never get rid of crime or criminals. guns just make crime more deadly.
VilleVisnen
In my country police operate in pairs. There is always two
themanwithoutaplanB
Bottom gif: touching the car prior to approaching to be able to document with fingerprints/dna that the officer was at the car.
OpenFacedClubSandwich
Everyone acknowledges it's a dangerous job. And just as measures are implemented to reduce the harm to cops by criminals1/2
OpenFacedClubSandwich
we also need to implement measures to reduce the harm to civilians by cops.2/2
raidleadergutts
No no, all cops are heroes and saints and if you refuse to accept this and worship them you must be a rapist and murderer!
sol3141
Welcome to the job, if youd rather some innocent collateral casualties than your own life, youre in the wrong line of work.
Emilide
Take the guns out of each of these instances and it can't escalate that quickly.
screenaholic
A knife would have been just as bad in the first one.
Emilide
Mostly agreed. I think he'd have had more of a chance defending against a knife than a gun. Knifes are still nasty though in the wrong hands
Thereisnosafeword
You think a cop unaware that the person he was arresting had a knife would be able to defend against it? LOL. Confirmed. You're retarded.
Thereisnosafeword
You're fucking retarded. In that first one, even without guns, the officer is outnumbered. It EASILY could have escalated.
Emilide
I am not fucking retarded. I think that having fewer guns in the hands of civilians would help reduce the whole police getting shot part.
Thereisnosafeword
You are fucking retarded. Sorry you had to find out this way.
Mycologics
So as a Dutch man I don't know what it's like living in the US but after seeing this how can you NOT be for gun regulations
TheGrayBox
As an American, I stopped caring. I'm applying for jobs abroad. Fuck most Americans and they're self destructive opinions.
Mycologics
You know how many cops have died because they were shot in the last few years? None. The answer s none
KharnApproves
5 cops were killed by a sniper in Dallas less than a day ago. Unfuck yourself
Mycologics
I was talking about my own country. I understand that it's not always comparible
biolologist
He's Dutch, you illiterate moron.
HalloweenAintTillManana
We have plenty of gun regulations. We just have a lot of bad people.
Mycologics
Then why have them available for so many people?
HalloweenAintTillManana
We just have so many they can be purchased illegally. The govt trying to take them back would lead to nothing less than a civil war.
biolologist
So you're saying that there are people who will kill their fellow citizens in order to protect the availability of illegal guns?
HalloweenAintTillManana
No but legal guns turn into illegal ones in the wrong hands so they would have to take legal guns from legal gun owners to change things.
whytezombie
because bad guys with guns will still have guns.
chickenfriedriceisdabomb
Gotta love the lib-tards downvoting complete common sense like this.
Mycologics
But the petty robber and thief don't have guns. Or if they have them it's never used.
Mycologics
There are bad guys with guns her too. Yet there have almost zero incidents. The incidents that happened were between organised crime members
whytezombie
I have so much to type, but I don't feel like talking to a wall. Nothing I type will change your mind.
Mycologics
You're right it probably won't change my mind about guns. But I'm genuinely curious what your reason for having them in your country is
Mycologics
Give me your main reason then. We don't have to agree nor do I have to change my mind. That's the thing about a discussion. To learn
Frelock
Having guns is a deterrent both to tyranny and to crime. CDC study said that more guns were used to prevent crimes than to perpetrate them.
Secular
You're not wrong in that being an officer is dangerous but we hold them to a higher standard BECAUSE we give them power over us.
SomeGuyYourMomKnows
Your higher standards are unobtainable and the alternative is anarchy. I'll take a trigger happy copy of a rapist on my daughter any day.
Secular
Not pulling your gun as a first resort or having a modicum of self control is "unobtainable"? Sure you know what that word means?
wrathbaby
I don't think you meant to say you want "a trigger happy copy of a rapist on my daughter". I really don't.
SomeGuyYourMomKnows
*over - thanks
wrathbaby
I don't think that makes it better? You would rather have a trigger happy copy of a rapist THAN your daughter? I am so confused.
SomeGuyYourMomKnows
140 characters man.. If I could type you a 1000 word report on my opinion I would. He got it, I got down voted. End of story.
FallOfOlympus
What's the point in even having police if they don't have "power over us". That's the same as me telling you not to do something then.
pleasesarah
Where will we find 1,000,000 officers w/ no regard for their own safety, nerves of steel, perfect situational awareness, reaction time, etc?
jinxhacker
Welcome to the U.S. military. Where if you fuck up. They will run you over with a bus. Back up and roll over you again.
pintDMG
This is how Robocop starts. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
MydeslyxiasFunnyToMe
We need to train them better. It wouldn't be perfect, but it would be much better for everyone.
pleasesarah
I think also what people don't realize is that their are probably 1000 non-shootings that could or should be every day in the US by cops...
pleasesarah
2/3 with people in the street on a day-to-day basis. The only training that would work in these situations is "disregard your own...
pleasesarah
that do wait (perhaps in spite of better judgment). We hear about cherry picked events and not the multitude of defused situations
pleasesarah
1/3 I was a cop in a capital city. We trained for almost a year, get constant in-service training, and practical training dealing...
MikeVick
You say that but they are the people with the guns and bullet proof vests
MikeVick
No sense of humor these people
imapencil
If the standard is measured by the next potus, serial criminal or a joke... then...
tekkblade
This might be long but, "disparate impact of police on PoC" isn't real. When you look at number of police interactions with different 1/
tekkblade
races you find that white people have a higher rate of being killed by police than persons of color. Running tally thus far this year 2/
tekkblade
http://killedbypolice.net/
AnotherRegularDude
I've seen the first two gifs - the officer survives in the first and second gif, but that third one ...I'm just hoping that he wasn't killed
underlord2132
We got a girl completely naked and people dying on front page. It's blurry, but still. Wtf imgur?
dresdenreader
2016 is 1 AB - Bowie kept the universe together.
bulpii
what was the girl completely naked about? what was the post about?
Stockyhome
LEOs need to be with a partner. A minimum safety requirement imo
CmdrZellgaudis
Though I completely agree that they need two officers for their own safety.
SengirArchangel
People in general aren't a fan of their taxes increasing to cover costs of new hires or anything really. Took 5 votes for our new school.
Skyraptor
Budget Cuts
Skyraptor
I agree with you completely, just saying. so yeah
Zipp4Real
Its law here in Sweden. I think it should be everywhere. There's just so much you can do alone, a partner can save lives!
jadespider
Sounds good, tell it to your city council and mayor to stop cutting police budgets and maybe they can actually do that.
Geelsmark
In Denmark it's standard - i have never seen a cop alone
elleyea
Funding of my department doesn't allow for partners.
InternetGoodGuy
A lot of departments don't have the staffing to maintain it though
TekPriest1975
I work IT supporting County and Municipal Depts. I am all for body/gun cameras and feel that dashcams should be streamed direct to (cont)
TekPriest1975
dispatch or their supervisors offices. The more eyes on the situation the less likely either side is going to overreact. IMHO
GildedCrane
In Canada the RCMP is exclusively solo, even jn metro areas. Keeps costs down.
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Yeah but we don't shoot constables and they don't shoot us. A traffic stop in Canada is usually a peaceful.
pleasesarah
As a former officer...they can't even hire enough people to fill the vacancies let alone double up. Also, who's gonna pay for that?
Zitronensalat
You are in this mess, because you hate taxes and you love your guns.
pleasesarah
I would LOVE to see more taxes going to police and less going to entitlement programs numbnuts
Bootsy81
Probably even less chance of hiring good people now. Honestly, who'd sign up to be a cop in America these days? Need rocks in your head IMO.
BewareTheJabberwockie
I have a co-worker who wants to be cop. He worked as a volunteer police officer until he just couldnt afford it anymore. He has the >
BewareTheJabberwockie
> training and everything. He loved working as an officer so much and its hard to see him as he kind of crumbles working at a call center.
OtherDay
And why is this not an issue in the rest of the western world? Ah yes, the guns.
CmdrZellgaudis
Studies show that when LEOs ride solo, they act less impulsively since they know that they must wait for backup, letting adrenaline abate.
iowawhiteboy
I was about to say the same thing
Stockyhome
I can't really argue with that but it's high risk work, a partner can give first aid etc. I'd hope training could help impulsivity in pairs
PiffTheMagicDildo
Not true at all. The only reason LEOs ride around solo is manning and budgets. All police departments would love two man squads.
Wolokos
Interesting
Jacxy
So do we put us in harms way, or do we put cops in harms way?
CmdrZellgaudis
At this point, is there a difference? Can the cycle be broken once violence has washed into the culture and the trust is lost?
Howdoilife
Time to start the Purge I guess
Wolokos
I apologize for the ignorance, but, what's a LEO?
shinymetalassassin
Someone born between July 23rd and August 21st.
ChefExcellence
Low Earth Orbit?
andaevinn
This! In my country (Switzerland) they always patrol in pairs, minimum, sometimes three... In France it's the same. It's safer that way!
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It's the same in Germany. I don't know how to translate "Eigensicherung" but it's the german term.
EloraLyon
English literal translation: "self assurance".
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thank you. :)
NiHZ
I really didn't need to see people die before bed.
SaturnineCult
At least the first gif officer survived, i remember seeing that clip somewhere long ago. I think 3rd one too.
Qumefox
Actually if more stuff like this was actually propagated by the media every time it happened, shit likely wouldn't be as bad as it is now.
Imapurpletoaster
I prefer to believe that they all live and that unicorn exist
Imapurpletoaster
What? I really believe in unicorn!
thatguywhohasnoname
Omg i found one of your comments!
NiHZ
\o/ YAS
daginne
Yes you did.
Haagus
#2 lived. Oregon Highway Patrol. He fatally shot that guy who drove off and bled out a bit down the road.
TheGreatAnhey
Wasn't the dude ex military too?
gramirnatsee
Good! Shooting an innocent person let alone a cop fuck that guy. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
bulpii
so you... needed a .. dare i say it... TRIGGER WARNING?
theTAUSonMangoSt
They lived. But I should have put some warning. My bad!
UsernameRelevance
My dad's a cop, I feel better knowing these guys made it
GildedCrane
IIRC top did not survive. Source?
cockiemonster
even that homie that got shot like 6 times in first GIF?
EwokOnAUnicorn
Seriously all of them??? Even the first??? Must be vikings in disguise.
MrHood
How did the top guy live!? Man he's lucky
DutchyMcDutch
body armor and they don't appear to be aiming very well
ifyouareacuntanyouknowitclapyourflaps
One day...hopefully....America will actually stop and think and put strict gun laws in place
InfiniteSynapse
Law =/= Enforcement. Law is what you want people to follow. Enforcement is what you use when they don't.
MothballMystery
There are tons of gun laws, and strict ones for that matter. I don't recall the last time I bought a gun without a background check.
MothballMystery
ontop of that it all definitely goes into a registration system with a serial number tied to my information *you know just in case i sell it
TheFinalDoctor
One day...hopefully...America will have a peaceful culture without losing any of its rights
beaupedia
Or we accept it's a stupid fucking "right" written 250 years ago about muskets.
PolarHailStorm
You say that, but from a non-US perspective it's like you put the difficulty on hard mode and haven't understood how to play yet, sadly.
FelixG
I like this Analogy, America is the Dark Souls of the world, Get gud or Get out! :P
PolarHailStorm
I guess, but it's a shame because those that don't 'get gud' suffer, from shootings or healthcare debt or student debt and so on.
TheFinalDoctor
(As a gamer, I really like that comment). I grew up being told doing what's right isnt always the easiest thing. And freedom is what's right
ifyouareacuntanyouknowitclapyourflaps
Like slavery?
TheFinalDoctor
fuck off troll.
ifyouareacuntanyouknowitclapyourflaps
Oh I apologise. Did I just win the arguement so you had to resort to 'fuck off troll"?
Notanotherdamnone
Brilliant
ifyouareacuntanyouknowitclapyourflaps
It was once a right to have slaves in the states wasn't it? Rights can and should be changed for the safety of everyone
Notanotherdamnone
Dude, I'm agreeing with you
CaCaKatana
Ever heard of the Constitution?
gin1105
The same pen that wrote the words you jerk to wrote that some people weren't worth as much as others. Mayhap we take another glance.
willywonkalikedmychocolate
Then go back to muskets and not automatic weapons cause that what the constitution intended
ifyouareacuntanyouknowitclapyourflaps
Ever heard of amendments to the constitution?
subjug8r
Yeah I actually have. Coincidentally, the second amendment literally has the words "WE'LL REGULATED" in the text. If firearms aren't 1/2
subjug8r
.....well regulated then it is in itself a violation of the constitution. This is the lie we have told ourselves. That regulation is counter
CaCaKatana
That ignores the entire point.
PhantomWang
Ever heard of Chicago? They have the strictest gun laws in the country. How's that working out for them? Hint: not so good
ifyouareacuntanyouknowitclapyourflaps
One small area, surrounded by places with lax control, it's impossible to stop people bringing them in. It means nothing
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PhantomWang
SHOUT A LOGICAL FALLACY TO PROVE A POINT
BlueBomber05
Ever hear of literally every other developed country in the world? Federal gun laws work, city gun laws are useless
Holyshitballsoup
Ever heard of Australia? They have some of the strictest gun laws in the world. How's that working out for them? Hint: pretty well actually
PitbullsPublicist
how's the chicago border control working out ?
biolologist
Thanks to lax gun laws in other states. Do some research before spewing more stupidity.
JustJacque
Doesn't matter how strong one places laws are when there is freedom of movement between it and places with lax laws.
PhantomWang
Point is that those who want to break the law will do it. Magazines over 10 bullets are illegal in CA now. Didn't see gangs lining up to 1/2
PhantomWang
Turn them in. 2/2
JustJacque
And yet it works in pretty much every other country in the world that has implemented restrictions.
subjug8r
it would work better if people in Chicago couldn't just hop the boarder to Indiana and get one there. Gun laws have to be strict everywhere
MothballMystery
Would also be better if america had stronger borders that kept illegal firearms from black markets. #fastandfurious
Chronicle
We don't even have to hop the border. We can just drive 20 minutes to a suburb or wait till a gun show comes to McCormack place
lancelittle15
False. Background checks with state issued IDs required. No FFL dealer in Indiana will sell to someone with an Illinois ID.
Rogahar
As a non-murican - what's FFL?
Mirawatts
Federal Firearms License. It's a license that is required to sell guns professionally. 99% of commercial dealers are FFL.
biolologist
I guess it's just an inconvenient fact that people other than FFL dealers can sell guns, huh?
lancelittle15
(1/2) While that is possible, it's at the risk of the seller. If the firearm is tied to a crime, they are tied to it. Most private sellers
MothballMystery
I'd love to sell a gun with a serial # tied to my information to a random person with a tear drop tattoo. Love to be tied to a murder! >.>
FatBoobsDontCount
that day was Sandyhook
biolologist
Nothing was even done.
JumpTheCheeseburger
I lost all hope after that. If nothing was done after something like that, it never will be.
FatBoobsDontCount
exactly
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Wastyvez
Except making guns illegal will have a significant effect on the black market, especially combined with LE cracking down on illegal sales.
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gin1105
Just today, 10 police officers were shot while armed and surrounded by other armed officers. And police aren't chickens either.
DRVerstenbad
It won't. Too many people are hung up. There would be a violent uprising with guns.
ifyouareacuntanyouknowitclapyourflaps
Most likely. Too busy wanting their toys to care about the innocents dying around them
dannicusrex
That top one is brutal. Don't ever let anyone tell you that cops don't have a dangerous job.
CrazyCatLad
No one has ever told me that.
BigRedMonkeyButts
Yeah... it haunted me pretty hard when I saw the full video with sound.
zpjon
Of course their job is dangerous, it's just not the MOST dangerous. Many jobs are much more dangerous
SocoFox
Those are dangerous because of accidents or heavy machinery, not dangerous because of malicious intent from another human.
zpjon
And?...
nacko
I think it's different because in those jobs, you typically don't need to make a decision on whether or not to harm someone else.
SocoFox
Other jobs being more dangerous is irrelevant, that's why.
dannicusrex
Didn't say it was the most dangerous. But a routine traffic stop can turn into a firefight in a split second.
nacko
I'm surprised it's so dangerous to be a pilot but not sure that I should be.
biolologist
Dangerous compared to what?
stinkycheezmonky
Just because being a cop is safer than other things doesn't mean it isn't a dangerous occupation. That's a fallacy of relative privation.
returnoftheboombap
This whole comment section is a logical fallacy
dannicusrex
Compared to almost literally anything else in the modern civilian world. Like maybe, I dunno, a fucking biologist?
biolologist
It's safer to be a cop than it is to be a firefighter. Safer to be a cop than a miner. Safer to be a cop than a factory worker.
flyboy14295
Um, Police Officer LODD'S are way higher than Fire LODD'S.
flyboy14295
Not counting Dallas, 36-53.