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Martin Luther King
Sep 22, 2016 11:54 PM
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thanatos777
Imgur sure does love what it imagines MLK was like. http://imgur.com/lwmHPoy
Thismuchistrue
Was killed for his efforts.
TheGhostInAJar
thanatos777
Remember, everyone, according to this site, obstructing traffic is terrorism, therefore MLK was a terrorist.
berlinson
Fuck off OP
DVSBSTrD
... dead at 39.
lilfella
They cut him open and determined he had the heart of somebody over 60. They said the years of stress were taking its toll on his body.
demonhawk
Got shot anyway.
MountainEngine
Assassinated. There's a bunch of peaceful protest Natives being pepper sprayed and attacked by dogs in ND. Interesting parallel.
eagerophiuchus
Peaceful protest = Media blackout. http://fair.org/home/dakota-access-blackout-continues-on-abc-nbc-news/
PlantainSuperNova
Because the fallout after Kaepernick's protest wasn't a widely covered story.
eagerophiuchus
Oh come on, I didn't say that. But bigger disruptions get more coverage, for better or worse.
bloatedplutocrat
MLK never had legitimate protests while others rioted for personal gain and his opponents used the rioters to discredit him and his ideals.
BattloidKouji
wow, that sure sounds familiar. Can't quite put my finger on it though. It'll come to me eventually.
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
Well, you just let me know when the next BLM leader says something akin to "we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds."
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
http://www.nytimes.com/live/police-shooting-in-baton-rouge/black-lives-matter-leader-calls-for-peace/ like that?
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
I don't see him condemning anyone.
ItTastesLikePurple
People in the 60s still thought he was promoting looting, rioting, and violence.
eagerophiuchus
OK.... but kneeling isn't allowed either, apparently.
TestAccount321
Remember guys. You don't actually have to know black history, you get to preach to black people as ignorantly as you want.
goodtobeme
.. and facts, evidence, statistics and (in today's world) video footage mean nothing
PoliticalWanderer
1/2 They said exactly the same things about MLK during his day that anti BLM people say about BLM today. Including that he was just
PoliticalWanderer
pretending to be non-violent, that he was stoking racial hatred and profiting from it, that he got people angry at innocents, etc.
GandalfUnicorn
Yall don't give a fuck about MLK. Just want people who are oppressed to voice their outrage in a way that's palatable to you. Dont bullshit.
TheGrumpest
"Stop intruding on my fantasy that the world works the way I was taught it does!"
pleonidas
Back in his day many said that he should stop doing what he was doing because it would further separate the country. Like you guys.
UnNedStark
This is an extremely white-washed version of history, and ignores a lot of the violence that did happen.
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
2) of a concept today to comprehend. It's right there in the "I have a dream" speech, too.
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
It's not white-washed. MLK constantly spoke out against riots and condemned the actions of members of his own race. It just seems to alien
Chunky4life
This is idiotic. His era had insane violent riots. Sure he didn't act in such a way but to call the entire movement peaceful is foolish
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
It's not idiotic. MLK constantly spoke out against riots. "we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds." Ring a bell? From "I have a dream"? No?
TheFoxCouncil
"Riots are the language of the unheard" - Who could have possibly said that?
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
Same man who condemned them and said "we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds".
DarthFutuza
You've misunderstood the context if you're thinking he was saying riots were an acceptable response or an effective one.
TheFoxCouncil
No, he's not saying that, what he's saying is when people have no other course of action to express their frustration, they turn to rioting.
DarthFutuza
Yes, but, he's saying violence and anger do not create solutions. And that rioting will not create an effective response.
Chunky4life
Ok, either way the riots happened. It in no way matters if mlk jr was against riots
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
It very much does. There's no great person representing the cause. It needs one, quickly.
Chunky4life
You're making the assumption that MLKs calmness made the change happen. That's not an assumption you can just make. The riots certainly
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
I'm not making any assumption, I am pointing out the lack of a leaders. Leaders condemn and apologize for the negative actions of their own
Chunky4life
Helped bring the issue to the forefront. For years calm people have talked about racism and nothing has changed. Riots get talks started
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
2) people while simultaneously explaining the circumstances that lead to their happening. We don't have that now, and we need it.
megandives
Martin Luther King was also arrested countless times and oh, assassinated for his beliefs.
DarthFutuza
I don't understand your point. That's the price of change. And he full well expected it.
DarkerLink
Obamas motto is change and he isn't dead
DarthFutuza
I wouldn't say he's made much change at all when it comes to racism and racial inequality.
MilanDarlingRoma
By the US government no less
FeWill
"But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, 1/2
WeAreTheNSA
"A riot is the language of the unheard"
BennoJammin
Just so people know this is MLK quote
FeWill
at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. " 2/2
popejubal
Constantly broke the law with his protests. Got arrested all the time. Was hated during his life for those protests.
Greenplantpaperwork
Of course he was hated. That's beside the point. Anybody that speaks out against injustice is going to be "hated."
popejubal
It's not at all beside the point. BLM and MLK are hated for the exact same reasons.
Greenplantpaperwork
Insofar as they are questioning the status quo. Yes they are.
Greenplantpaperwork
It remains to be seen if BLM is actually dedicated to non-violence. The ambush murders call that into question.
WangFire
Last I checked those weren't associated with BLM whatsoever.
TheDeanofLean
People back then claimed he promoted violence and rioting, they also deflected with "What about crime in the black community?"
justicecracker
Yeah but they were wrong. Now they're right.
HipHopSaint
TheDeanofLean
I didn't expect so many upvotes.
bloatedplutocrat
koflan
So... BLM = MLK!
jade0black
Can't remember MLK's protests ever screaming "WHAT DO WE WANT? DEAD COPS!"
princeaizen
So you were alive back then?
SomewhatOxygenated
No, those were Malcom X supporters. Which, incidentally, helped MLK a lot because he seemed like the peaceful alternative.
YamatoIouko
...I think we're missing a "peaceful alternative" in today's day and age, then.
TeeFour
http://www.snopes.com/black-lives-matter-protesters-chant-for-dead-cops-now-in-baton-rouge/
BrofessorDumbleBro
*Looks at the sources* Hm... Not super credible, but hey, it's whatever.
aherdofpenguins
And I guess they never shouted anything like "pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon," either?
Jupman
Except at that time the FBI had and entire program built up to take him down. Not to mention the Black Panther assassination.
SciGuy
And yet they still didn't call for those things.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
Neither did BLM. Stop making shit up.
LeHereux
Well they weren't protesting police state terrorism back then.
jade0black
So they screamed "WHAT DO WE WANT? DEAD WHITES!"? I don't remember hearing that in Humanities.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
Pretty sure some black person somewhere shouted that within the context of segregation.
MASSIVESPACEMONKEY
As a Brit, police state terrorism?
jade0black
Some cops are fucking cunts. No one really bothers to think about this, because when you think you're the victim and go off righting 3
jade0black
be shot by cops, because they're more likely to commit crime (Because poverty) this is mischaracterized generally as *~evil cops~* because 2
LeHereux
US police kill 1000+ people/year. True, some deserve it. However, some are innocent of any crime, and/or unarmed, and some are children. 1/2
LeHereux
2/2 However, police LITERALLY terrorize 100k+ of innocent, law-abiding black people/year through racial profiling, excess force, etc.
jade0black
Lots of people in the US are shot. Several of them by cops. Percapita, black people are more likely to commit crime (because poverty) and 1
jade0black
percieved wrongs, you get endorphine rushes and other "victims" bolster your confirmation bias. Which has lead to a whole heap of shit. 4
MASSIVESPACEMONKEY
So, just to confirm, you are saying there is no police state terrorism but a bunch of people don't understand statistics and got all pissy?
RaRaPotato
So they got rights, but the culture of ignorance never changed or went away???
theresgarlicinthatnebula
*whoooosh
RaRaPotato
I'm not from America so I'm just trying to understand
theresgarlicinthatnebula
Black people in America don't suffer from racism because they're ignorant, it's because we're all racist.
RaRaPotato
I wasn't saying justthe Blacks are ignorant btw. I was saying the culture of ignorance, meaning two-way ignorance between whites and blacks.
TestAccount321
Another ignorant post on MLK Jr. with the point of shaming black people? I'll see you on the front page!
thisismyanonymoususername
this website is ridiculous.
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Seems to me it's shaming people who loot things, burn things, or attack things.
TestAccount321
I'm not saying RIOT=GOOD CHANGE. I'm stressing to acknowledge WHY these happen in the fucking first place.
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But they themselves say why it happens. It's not like they're muted. Why's it your job to step in and "acknowledge" it?
TestAccount321
Listen, moron. If you actually KNEW ANYTHING about MLK Jr, you'd know what he'd have to say about riots.
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I thought we were talking about the reason OP made a post using MLK?
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But I'm not a self-important racist who WANTS black people to be persecuted so I can heroically come to their defense, so what do I know?
TestAccount321
The civil rights movement wasn't all peacewalks and chanting, and it doesn't change that they got beaten for not being violent anyway.
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Is anyone saying otherwise?
TestAccount321
If you actually KNEW anything about history, you'd know that these riots usually come along when people reach the boiling point of what
TestAccount321
they're willing to put up with.
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It's odd how that boiling point fluctuates so darn much.
TestAccount321
But does it matter? Most of the people here are just like you. You don't have to know anything about black people, but you do know that
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What is it you think I need to know about black people?
TestAccount321
"blacks just love to play the victim" or some inane shit. Whatever peaceful protests happen go ignored by you, and then when a riot does
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I wasn't aware that they were directing their protests at me.
TestAccount321
eventually happen, that's when you show up so you can go on about how it's just a black scheme to steal, rob and pillage.
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I actually show up to go on about how people are stealing, robbing, and pillaging, and they should really stop. But keep shouting "BLACK".
TestAccount321
It's morons like yourself that decide to use MLK Jr. as a bludgeon to shame black people without even knowing his history.
01001000011000010111001001100001011011010110001001100101
Uh oh, there he goes again. Make sure to say it nice and loud that we're shaming BLACK PEOPLE. You won't convince yourself, otherwise.
jade0black
TIL you think all blacks are violent savages unable to stop themselves from looting stores and burning buildings. 0100 is totes racist tho.
BraxtonFullerton
Was still gunned down by a white dude. Nice argument though.
Azzreal69
So was Malcolm X...oh wait blacks killed him, nice argument though.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
FBI dude
Flyndaran
Likely known ahead of time by the FBI. They were ran by some seriously paranoid racist fucks at the time.
HipHopSaint
bloatedplutocrat
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That's relevant to him changing the world... how?
DarthFutuza
I guess the point is that people only want to change the world nowadays if they don't have to pay the price of being martyred for it?
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I think there's still martyrs. Like that little girl, shot in the head. I guess they're just not for the specific change certain people want
DarthFutuza
Oh I agree, my comment was mainly bitter sarcasm. Funny how they downvoted you and declined a response to your very fair question.
xesom
Go watch Mississippi Burning if you think the civil rights era was peaceful. All realistic philosophies agree that power comes from violence
bloatedplutocrat
I have nothing of substance to add, I just wanted to point out I read that as "All realistic pedophiles" and was confused. Carry on sir.
vauhtihirmu
"Realistic" in the sense that they call themselves realists. Hannah Arendt makes a strong argument for violence actually destroying power.
xesom
I disagree. Lets fight about it. Just kidding, youre right my statement is too simplistic.
xesom
If you disagree with the violence comment, youre some kind of hippy who should argue with Von Clausewitz.
HD226868
First rule of power: Whoever has the power makes the rules.
xesom
Its amazing who the internet turns up. +1
wonder89
And writes the history books
ImMrbulldops
I'm pretty fed up with people thinking everything that happened in the 50s and 60s was king. Malcolm X, Huey Newton, Fred Hampton, Bobby
ImMrbulldops
Seal all did important work, some of it through violence
shimmernshine
Newton was murdered by a black supremacist drug dealer from a radical offshoot of New Panthers in Oakland. He was kicking ass.
ImMrbulldops
The fbi poisoned and murdered Hampton
shimmernshine
Tried to make it look like he'd od'd on sleeping pills and was shot by a member. They ended up trying to cull witnesses.
shimmernshine
Makes me wonder about if the surviving members of the Move 9 in prison should be exonerated...
shimmernshine
I met Ramona Africa once, John Africa's widow... her activism was a bit scaled back from the 80's move stuff but very interesting to hear.
GiantRobotsRule
MLK though would not approve the folks who only want to complain about BLM and not police brutality against blacks. Quotes:
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
MLK constantly spoke out against riots and condemned their actions. Quote: well, read "I have a dream" - it's in there, too.,
MuttonsChopped
Thank you. Too often I see MLK trotted out to decry this behavior, and while he'd decry it, he'd remind us all of why it was happening.
GiantRobotsRule
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/riot-language-unheard-9-mlk-quotes-mainstream-media-wont-cite
RetConMan
"Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will." wow yep humbled
usernamesaregayboy
Ur right, reading ur link I feel he has been idealised/used. Never considered the appearance of acceptance as opposed to real acceptance
reclusivepope4
I agree with you, but I feel part of the problem is now protests and riots are not focused on brutality, but rather any black death. 1/2
reclusivepope4
Charlotte is not a case of race or brute as far as I can tell, at best, maybe a nervous overreaction. Better cases exist. This feels forced.
Chiseler
most police violence happens to whites and if black people dont want police aroud then maybe they should work on their high crime rate
BattloidKouji
They do work on it. There are tons of urban groups trying to stop gang violence. You just never hear about it because no one thinks it's (1)
princeaizen
No they never heard about it because they don't care to know or listen. They don't care until something piques they're interest in outrage.
BattloidKouji
newsworthy. (2)
Chiseler
and as the crime rate goes down *MAGICALLY* police fatalities go down with it. imagine that
HipHopSaint
Some of these shootings weren't because of crime, and some of the killings were because of Perry crimes (Eric Garner selling cigarettes)
INSANITYisTEMPORARY
If you're going to use facts.... Use THE FACTS... He was ILLEGALLY selling cigs & RESISTING arrest. Not a reason to die..But he wasn't 1/2
BattloidKouji
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. you're first comment implied that they aren't trying, when they are.
Chiseler
some might be but right now blacks account for almost 50% of all murders in the usa and they are only 13% of the population
BattloidKouji
*your, sorry.
Skornish
Even though it does not happen as often as the media wants you to believe?
YamatoIouko
Here's the problem: a lot of these cases are ambiguous. Not all, but a lot. There's no easy right or wrong to be seen with a careful eye.
TestAccount321
I too remember when Martin Luther King Jr. was well respected when he was alive
bumholiday
War. War never changed
TheHumanFund
Interesting that is from the Birmingham, Alabama newspaper.
LeHereux
The sarcasm is strong with this one
gooblegobbleoneofus
After he was killed the D.C. riots burned 1200 buildings to the ground
Flyndaran
Look at what upset followers of that other non-violent guy, if you believe he actually existed, named Jesus did and do.
ajax111
Damn, @TestAccount321. The 13th Amendment was put in place to keep you from owning @OP like that, you know.
danishjuggler21
*Googles 13th amendment* Oh damn, that was pretty good!
EdgelordPrime
This is why I roll my eyes at people who gripe about black protests and riots, who all seem to believe they'd have respected MLK and-
EdgelordPrime
-the Civil Rights Movement, were they alive or older at the time.
UpVoteDragons
THANK YOU SO MUCH. ARGH! I STUDIED THIS BS FOR 8 FUCKING YEARS AND PPL STILL BELIEVE THR FUCKING MEMES!
JoeBien
The police attacked him and his followers. Dogs - fire hoses
wadatahmydamie
How to make @OP look like an asshole with one easy trick!
UltimateBooty
I have to say I'm kinda surprised he isn't drawn in a racial charicachure, implying nothing just find it interesting.
farleyminarley
Ooooo moded
koflan
Who said anything about respect?
thisistheonlycommentiwillevermake
and of course for his efforts HE GOT SHOT.
IGoInCanadaDry
"Sometimes you need to sacrifice the body to make the play" -Vince Lombardi's retard cousin
Feanor19
My favorite speech of his is 'I've been to the mountaintop' his last speech before he was killed that kinda foreshadowed his own death
Feanor19
My favorite speech of his is 'I've been to the mountaintop' his last speech before he was killed that kinda foreshadowed his own death
KashCf
im uploading this pc here
KashCf
never mind you should put it up,you found the pic
marijuaney
What does the writing say?
DidItForScience
http://pastebin.com/pa4acUPj
Talonotw
And even WITHOUT the media on his dick, he and his group remained peaceful and affected meaningful change. Kind of puts it in perspective.
wadatahmydamie
That's how BLM is today, despite the assholes rioting in their name.
JustAGuyWithEpilepsy
I don't think you understood this comic
TestAccount321
MLK Jr wasn't the entirety of the Civil Rights Movement. Various issues such as blacks willing to arm themselves played part as well.
blobtron
What if there were riots and looting during MLKs time too, were there?
gr33narrow
As with any movement, particularly in a formative time, there are several groups under a blanket term. Some of these included-
gr33narrow
"Civil Rights Movement" and "Feminism." During the 50s and 60s, both movements were vastly fragmented, due to various grievances in -
gr33narrow
-localized areas and culture. Oppression and discrimination (on any format) was addressed by local leaders in any way they saw fit to cause-
gr33narrow
-an upset within the community.
DeadlyEnzyme
Yea. Malcolm X and friends really went the physical route instead of the symbolic.
gooblegobbleoneofus
150+ in 1967 alone
Wimpymind
well, they actually had legitimate grievances. So that tends to motivate people and gather support.
TestAccount321
I've seen some ridiculous shit on imgur. But my heart weeps that you could be this ill-informed on the Civil Rights Movement.
squip
Yeah! Because this is America amirite?
CalvinandHobbitses
Perhaps they are not American. I don't know much American history so I didn't know this either.
BourbonBuck
That's why there has been a push for international human rights museums and the education of international struggles and horrors.
SquirtleSquad420
Tons. He didn't start or lead them but they were happening all over.
blobtron
I mean more specifically during his protests. Were there times when they incited violence like this cartoon suggests
Desomega
If by incited violence you mean people were violent towards them for protesting, then yes.
wadatahmydamie
It's the same for BLM - They don't incite or participate in rioting, but they're blamed by ignorant fuckwads anyway.
Muffyns
Im pretty sure blm started a riot
z99nine
A riot is the language of the unheard. MLK. https://imgur.com/2n33Gi4
Knillis
Modern day BLM riots are more stupid students that should know better
PleasantPheasantPhucker
Sure it's a language, and it translates "I'm desperate and angry so fuck innocent people and their things, it makes me feel better"
BlackHawk44
Completely out of context and deliberate twisting of his words.
z99nine
Click the link, it's the whole quote. Not out of context.
JohnnyDeppression
By any means necessary. -Malcom X
wickedunderscoredude
**Malcolm
thekemet
it is worth noting that this is a quote taken from his writings and his speeches concerning how blacks should defend against lynching
thekemet
and other forms of violence against simply because they were black. malcolm X did not once lead violent protest.
VIAI
Never equate MLK and M-X. They had 2 completely different visions for America, one of unity and one of two Americas, a white and black USA
thekemet
that's actually yet another common misunderstanding. the two had a lot more in common than high school text books and public tv let on
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
Yes, but READ THE FIRST LINE. When put eloquently, like this, it could promote understanding. Today, however, I was told "You know
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
3) anecdotal, it's representative of the overall demeanor today. Instead of MLK's quote, we get "shit's fucked up, you don't know."
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
2) absolutely nothing because you're not black and have never been around a black community." (which was wrong) - and while the quote is
Lan098
That's taken out of context. Read the whole quote.
z99nine
I posted the whole quite. It isn't taken out of context.
FrostytheSnowcolt
The rest of the fucking context is right fucking there, you fucking spoon.
z99nine
I have read it, many times. It doesn't change the meaning of the last line whatsoever.
YamatoIouko
Yes, it does. Context matters a LOT. He's not saying it's right, he's saying it's a wrong in response to a wrong.
YamatoIouko
(2) When you say it like this, you make it sound like a riot is acceptable and appropriate response to being unheard.
DarthFutuza
I didn't think that had been misunderstood, but I guess imgur isn't very good for these things.
YamatoIouko
Agreed.
strawmanAlert
My favorite thing about Imgur is when the majority tells the minority how to properly protest.
bloatedplutocrat
My favorite thing is when attractive people post selfies for fapping to, but hey, we all come here for our own reasons. America.
jade0black
TIL demanding the people you don't like die en mass for your disdain for them = a protest. Guess Hitler wasn't so bad eh, Strawman?
theresgarlicinthatnebula
When did this ever happen?
jade0black
WHAT DO WE WANT? DEAD COPS! WHEN DO WE WANT THEM? NOW! PIGS IN A BLANKET, FRY 'EM LIKE BACON!
theresgarlicinthatnebula
http://www.snopes.com/black-lives-matter-protesters-chant-for-dead-cops-now-in-baton-rouge/
jade0black
Please debunk pigs in a blanket now, or any number of other instances of the demand for death by dip shits.
Definitelyanaccount
Is it how to properly protest or just not to destroy shit and hurt people?
DidItForScience
Just like they told Martin Luther King.
Definitelyanaccount
Yea I saw the top comment too, it doesn't change the very real fact that people are getting hurt.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
Yes. That's why they're protesting.