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Feb 12, 2022 12:19 AM
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AnxiaTeaDD
I thought Luke making him choose was some bullshit. Why couldn’t he have both?!
Lurch1911
I didn’t like that gave an ultimatum. It involved believing in absolutes and only the Sith deal in absolutes. Just didn’t fit a Jedi.
Unclescam
Side note...fake Mark Hamill face looked way better this time.
justfewmoredays
should hv taken both
Chronocast
He picked both. I think that will be revealed in S3. Not like Grogu can't take a break and train later when you live close to 1000 years.
Zeigabibblez
Hypocrite! Luke left and still came back to finish his training.
nighthawk526
Mando and Grogu could be flying back to the planet Luke is on? Ending scene paralleled Luke and R2 heading back to Dagobah in RoTJ
darkhalfbreed
They have to keep Grogu out of Kylo's life some how.
GingFreecssjr
Kilo Rens kills him eventually right? Like based on the movie?
killlatwix
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Lichelf
At least he's honest. He gave Grogu a real choice unlike most Jedi of old. Leave or commit, don't half-ass it & later fall to the dark side.
seniorcitizenfightclub
xmtrdude
I kinda hoped he'd do to Luke what Luke did to Yoda. Train for a while, develop skills, then nope out to help his friends half-trained.
Trassation
Anyone elsethink it's bullshit that the guy who would literally have rather died than kill his corrupted father wants Grogu to give up love?
YouTubeRed
jmartkdr
The ATAT logo!
kc2syk
lol the at&t deathstar logo
TheFunionKnight
Crazy religious nutjob or Daddy Djinn, uncle Bobaand Aunty Fennec and the power ranger kids
Aurzyerne
A beskar chain shirt would've been rather useful to those jedi whom Luke saw in Grogu's memories, doncha think?
AStegosaurus
Chain links don't stop non-solids from passing through the holes. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
BurlRavenscroft
Yeah, but, like ... it was a gift, which makes it bullshit, somehow. Oh, Jedi. You cafeteria creed disasters.
GodsFoot
Well until panakin skywanker walks in the room
Sezypatezy
The Mithral protected Frodo so yea, it would’ve helped the Jedi
TheNLK
Not only that, he was a padawan.. he probably learned as much or more about the force as luke, teaching was more comprehensive back then.
jimmythehat1
Luke should’ve made him a fellow teacher at the school
tehdrmonkey
Also…wouldn’t he eventually outgrow the beskar shirt? He’ll never outgrow a light saber…just saying…
koops
Yes but getting a couple of hundred years out of a shirt would be pretty good. Plenty of time to find another armourer that can extend it.
EdelwoodHikes
Not to mention Luke's own students when Ben Solo turns to the Dark Side.
MykillMetal
Who?
RareGoomba
I'm sorry, are you referring to some alternative star wars time line that I don't know about?
AntRam95
In all fairness, I would freak out and join the other side if I woke up in the middle of the night to my uncle holding a sword over me
Markamanic
When he made Ben turn to the dark side.
RulesOfImgur
Yeah, would have helped then when Luke almost became the youngling slayer 2.0
MisuseOfLiterally
that never happened. I dont know what youre talking about
RulesOfImgur
Disney thought it would be a good idea to make luke, the most badass character in SW, a little bitch. Good thing it's legends and not cannon
Zunderfeuer
Can we treat those movies as non canon pleazzzeee?
buttcreambandit
Why? They were fine. Well except 9 that was pretty much all just hot garbage
RulesOfImgur
Headcannon can be whatever you want it to be
Zunderfeuer
I need the official stamp on it to rest easy
KingXizor
A cortosis weave shirt could have helped save Havet and averted Desann joining the Dark Side
JamesBluntThatSmartassCunt
I love you
JamesBluntThatSmartassCunt
Fucking lord I’m with you there, buddy. I refuse to acknowledge them.
Zunderfeuer
I honestly tried to keep an open mind, but seeing Mark Hammil literally getting depressed over his character treatment
JamesBluntThatSmartassCunt
I did too. Then you see people completely shilling over the sequels. I’m like are you people real?
MisuseOfLiterally
what movies
Zunderfeuer
The Disney ones
MisuseOfLiterally
the joke went miles over your head
Valharroth
Hey, in whatever time it takes for the Grogu series to come out it might all be retconned.
Zunderfeuer
I certainly hope so
WeirdandOdd
Would have been real helpful to Qui Gon Jinn!
crusadurus
Ya im guessing the mandos dont usually share and they do fight to take any beskar back.
AStegosaurus
Lasers are made of light. I can't imagine that chain mail would do literally anything.
AStegosaurus
The amount of morons who don't understand how chain links wouldn't stop a non-solid from passing through the holes is too damn high.
Aurzyerne
Think back a few episodes back to The Rescue. When Moff Gideon tried shooting Grogu, Din jumps between them and takes the shots. It was 1)
AStegosaurus
Think back to literally every episode of The Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett. Every Mandalorian has a solid breastplate. What you said is
AStegosaurus
stupid. Chain links don't stop non-solids from passing through the holes. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Aurzyerne
..the beskar armor which stopped the bolts. So even if it doesn't *completely* stop blasters, it's enough of an edge to survive a few hits.
AStegosaurus
Chain links don't stop non-solids from passing through the holes. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
ilhares
Star Wars blasters do not fire lasers. They fire highly charged plasma bursts.
AStegosaurus
Ok, Then this might shock you, but plasma also isn't a solid, so a thing with holes in it wouldn't stop them and it still does nothing.
ilhares
It certainly wouldn't be as useful as plate, true - but it would still be useful against a lightsaber blade.
AStegosaurus
Stormtroopers don't use those. The comment I replied to was in reference to Jedi being shot at. It'd be like Sean Astin wearing his 50 First
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Beskar is an indestructible Space Alloy™ that rapidly dissipates heat & energy (but can somehow be hot-forged in a Mandalorian Space Forge™)
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Essentially Jedi kryptonite. The only space material that withstands all space weapons including lightsabers.
Iceman0624
There’s also Cortosis and Phrik
Aurzyerne
The Dark Saber was heating up the spear rather quickly in the Din/Gideon fight. Apply more heat than what dissipates & it'd likely melt 1)
AStegosaurus
Din explicitly said his breastplate would be destroyed by the sniper rifle Fennec used. It's not magically indestructible.
Aurzyerne
2) ..after a little while. Or at least become malleable enough to shape.
buttabuttabutt
People here acting like the writers of this show actually gave a shit. Hahah
Sauroctonus
But why is Luke following the "no attachments" rule? He saved the galaxy through his unconditional love for his father. He's all about that.
PhilthyCasual
*safEty
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
This would have been the perfect opportunity for Luke to be a tricky mentor, make Grogu choose then give him both. Instead they're >
michealangleo
is this from a thing? is a new episode of mandalorian out?
themisterfixit
Grogu was in Luke’s x-wing, piloted by R2. Also Luke left his training with Yoda to help his friends in ESB. Parallels are being drawn.
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
Luke was also an adult, and Yoda didn't say "if you don't listen to me I won't ever train you" he said "Don't go or you might fall/die."
LadyLionPie
Also, TEENY CHAINMAIL! <3
unsketchytruthslayer
“Look at you, so fancy, bring him some dung worms!”
GeminiMax
i was hoping he would pick up the dark sword and do flippy jedi shzz
canipikatchu
I am glad to see a gorgu meme that doesnt voice him the way yoda speaks
Lp57
Beskar?! Why Mister Grogu you are full of surprises.
unfortunateimplications
Luke isn't repeating mistakes. He gave a long lived person, the choice of going to spend the short time his 'found father' has in the world
unfortunateimplications
that's more choice than the old order ever gave a possible jedi
srsfaceI8C
I think Luke being a dick in this story is great storytelling within universe. Please stay for my TED talk: (1)
srsfaceI8C
The Disney+ shows are canon. The Disney trilogy for better or worse, is canon. They needed a way to bridge Luke from Ep. 6 to being (2)
srsfaceI8C
Luke in Ep. 8. He catastrophically fails Ben Solo, as we all know. So, Luke not getting it right with Grogu checks out. Luke doesn't (3)
srsfaceI8C
Learn the Jedi ways of teaching were flawed until far too late. His failures with Grogu and Ben and the rest of his students is why (4)
srsfaceI8C
He is so hesitant with Rey. Book of Boba Fett got this flaw of Luke's correct for us to witness. Bravo, Dave Filoni and Co. (End)
IheartIndyHanSoloAragornHarryandallthingsfluffy
This was very helpful, thank you. Still doing like what they did with his character, but this helps.
IceWeaselX
(1/2) Hot take: this narrative choice was made to explain why Grogu isn't present in the sequel trilogy while still training him enough to
MykillMetal
Please don't associate those abominations with the canon timeline.
Orbitron99
This also alleviates the looming anxiety of whether the Knights of Ren got him when they razed the temple
IceWeaselX
(2/2) be a significant combatant rather than an escort mission as The Mandalorian continues its story.
srsfaceI8C
It also checks out with the fact Luke is a flawed teacher. Grogu is not the first student he fails because he clings to the old ways.
nighthawk526
Luke and Mando definitely going to be having a convo in season 3 haha which makes me wonder if this will set up to Luke’s quote
nighthawk526
“It’s time for the Jedi to end”. After realizing his greatest mistake I wonder if he believes Grogu will be the one to change the Jedi
nighthawk526
For the better
Jagernot
Even more-so with the line, to paraphrase, "I'm not even sure if i'm teaching as much as he's remembering this stuff" that Luke said 1/
Jagernot
it gives them creative license to have Grogu "remember" more and more powerful skills and abilities seemingly out of nowhere.
caranlach
Or, you know, they could have not tried to shoe-horn the Skywalkers in and just done a completely original story.
IMightGenerouslyUpvoteRandomess
Being Old (school), I liked the Skywalker tie-in. I also like that it may have been a drive by. Nostalgia isn't always a bad thing. IMHO.
caranlach
I love my cigar, too, but I take it out of my mouth once in a while.
Boxingjedi
kuroda121
I want a master Grogu comic. Raised as a mando, yet practices the Jedi way. Prefers a defensive style but will wreck yo shit
Ryanator50
He would likely become THE Mandalore.
EmporerDragon
Legends did have the opposite, Bardan Jusik, who was a Jedi that became a Mandolorean.
pyroxferroite
Could be part of a Grey Jedi beginning
GeneralPrower
Rocking a saber AND blaster, Jedi robes over top Mando armor.
bighuntowski
NotACanadian
Tarre Viszla but he's a Yoda
srsfaceI8C
Naming a Mando after my favorite breed of dog is pretty cool of them.
ColoniaCroisant
It's not pronounced the same, but they are good boys
NSAgent
It’s pretty well set up to flash forward a couple hundred years at some point with young adult Grogu as a protagonist.
nighthawk526
Master Grogu could be the one to bring a major shift in how a jedi should interact with the force. Finding a balance -
nighthawk526
Between Mando&Jedi practices could bring balance. Mando culture is war torn but there was also a peaceful side as seen in TCW
mitanni
None of the Mandalorians Grogu knows are peaceful role models. A middle ground between "killing for fortune and glory" &
mitanni
"avoid killing whenever possible" isn't much of a philosophy.
nighthawk526
Very interested to see how it will play out
HolyHellJezebel
Then take a nap
Ryanator50
or even better, he can write it himself, then change the names around so he doesn't get sued.
historycat
Luke is trying to avoid past mistakes. Leia had attachments and gave up. Luke's father had to give up family and killed everyone.
Knightshade515
Except that Vader was only ever redeemed by his family attachments. Having a secret family was what allowed his manipulation by Palpatine
Imafishwithlegs
To be fair, his attachment to Padme and his mother is what pushed him to the dark side. That coupled with his deep connection to the 1/2
Imafishwithlegs
Force made it all too easy for him to be influenced by the dark side. 2/2
MadnerKami
Attachements are a problem, that has been shown time and again. The real issue lies in the JEDI pretending the probem doesn't exist and 1/2
MadnerKami
thus avoid adressing the problem, which is the problematic part, their true downfall. 2/2
loma45
They're basically teaching abstinence based sex-ed but with attachments. We all know how well that style works
EdelwoodHikes
Ultimately, that's a nonissue. Grogu could spend the rest of Din's life by his side and would still have centuries to cultivate his powers.
Lichelf
Won't the galaxy need his powers LONG before that? Just in case some evil alien called Snoke appears and blows up billions of people?
Spidey209
There will always be Snoke that needs to be retired.
Lichelf
Yeah but if Snoke/The Senate had won the galaxy would either be destroyed or enslaved. Either way tons of dead people likely including Grogu
NobodyTellHim
Those things didn't happen. Rey fell from the top of the crashed star destroyer and hallucinated all that while she lay dying on Jakku.
TriumphOfMan
Literally any one of those idiot force ghosts could instruct him, including Yoda. Oh hell, Anakin.
Jenvas
teach him how to deal with opponents having the high ground
INeedMoreGifMeMoreJustOneMore
The force ghosts are only visible to those already trained in the force
loma45
Luke saw Obi-Wan in ANH and his force training up to that point was.... limited.
loma45
Actually, I think he heard* Obi Wan
TriumphOfMan
Luke could see Obi-wan in Empire strikes back and he had shit for training. Grogu can lift bigger shit than luke could.
Imafishwithlegs
I feel like thats why Luke was so painfully honest with Grogu. He wanted to make the choice to leave easier for him
speershawks
Well now he won't get murdered by emo Ren
DarkSock
…and more importantly, cultivate MASS!!!
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Zulljin4
Are you forgetting about the last time that they started training a Jedi that was too old??
ssthehunter
I mean, Grogu was already 50 at the start of the first season. Also he was technically somewhat trained by Jedi order already.
drmuelr
Pretty sure age in this context refers to stage of development within the life cycle of one's species, rather than time since birth.
lbargomancer
That's because they've formed attachments that are nigh-impossible to break, as Grogu's formed with Mando; this is an chance for him to >
lbargomancer
let free himself from that attachment, possibly by Mando "living to death", then return to his Jedi training in a better frame of mind.
IamTheBestAtDonutEating
Yeah but he was destined to bring balance to the force anyway and ppl have a history of going from light to dark and vice versa all the time
Zulljin4
There was a much more balanced number of jedi to sith afterwards.
KashiofWavecrest
Luke?
Zulljin4
Ummmmm, the SECOND to last jedi to receive training too late!
Jarjarthejedi
Yeah...it's literally Anakin (who /also/ had a sith lord literally manipulating everyone to turn him specifically and /still/ almost held
Jarjarthejedi
out) and Luke (who received barely any training and held off the dark side when the time was right) as examples.
BaconBoy7
But then Luke would be dead, and there would be nobody to train grogu
BernieMittens
Luke said Grogu was remembering more than he was teaching. Learning the force to an already sensitive creature? Cakewalk
BenHobson
Maybe Din's new quest is to gather the teachings of Tarre Vizsla. If a Jedi will not train grogu, somebody must. It is the way.
4554073
Perhaps... /play sinister music... another Skywalker there is.
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
Maybe he could read from
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PenultimateFrisbee
So there are some r cords that say powerful force user Togruta can live 200 years, so maybe Ahsoka could be the master after Din died.
PenultimateFrisbee
https://i.imgur.com/yP5F7qU
MagicBaconBits
Well Luke became a Jedi with bugger all training from Yoda. He didn’t spend years training so Grogu could become great on his own
mendrak
There were force users other than the Jedi.
Neurisko
This. The Jedi are actually kind of weird about it, forbidding Jedi from having emotional attachments to people. It's extremism.
BernieMittens
Don't forget the trauma bonding Luke tries to pull with Grogu letting him watch Mando leave but not see him. Chainmail ATW
Dagordae
Meh. Grogu likely already has more formal training than Luke. Luke's had a matter of weeks to months of actual training. Unless Grogu JUST
Dagordae
got to the Temple, he's had years before Order 66.
Ryebread91
Except grogu is clearly still mentally an infant despite his age. So there's only so many kinds of training you can give him.
deletable
Clearly an infant minded student would be given the choice to leave of their own free will… the will of an infant……
Vesorias
He could just pull a Rey, and pull training out of his ass.
NobilisSaeva
Just to be clear in the OT Luke receives next to no training and becomes and amazing Jedi in no time flat
Vesorias
Luke is shown receiving training from Obi-Wan before he does any force shit, Rey doesn't even know she has it before she's using it.
NobilisSaeva
Anikin intuitively uses the force to podrace. As a child. Without formal training.
4554073
She received training. The montage sequence unfortunately was cut from the film.
SnakuPlisskin
She mind-tricked James Bond, resisted Kylo's mind probe, out-pulled him on the lightsaber, and defeated him in saber combat with no training
Vesorias
So . . . she didn't
TheGloveFTW
Given every detail of Luke's story it was disappointing to see him repeating the mistakes of the original Jedi
RookDefence
I wanted a scene where Grogu makes the choice, and then Luke explains that he understands, because he made the exact same choice once (ESB).
nighthawk526
Hopefully we’ll get a flashback in Mando season 3
ToSisPoS
I choose to believe that’s why he gave him the choice instead of saying cast off your belongings and attachments and become a Jedi no backsy
ToSisPoS
Even sent R2 to give him a ride to his dad.
ace5762
psst, that's the setup for the last jedi
glocksout
That’s how people are though. Bound to repeat the same mistakes.
tlamstrike
Can't be worse than what he did in the EU. There he was boning a force ghost inhabiting the body of one of his students...
TheTrueJoelBaker
For a bunch of people who can surpass death they sure did fuck all to teach and guide Luke all but like twice lol
ColonelColon
Yeah, well Hollywood execs don't like anything that doesn't fit previously analyzed formula. EU will always be the true canon to me.
Kittiesandfarts
Word.
Zoranpowl
This is the way.
gotkrypto
Sames.
nighthawk526
While I do agree it does make sense though. Luke was pretty much on his own and was in his mid to late 20s trying to rebuild the Jedi order
nighthawk526
Probably leaned on the Jedi texts to much but what else could he do? Not like he had a council to discuss difficult topics with
nighthawk526
And who knows how often he was able to speak with Yoda, Obiwan and Anakin
MrRandom314159
Yeah, speaking to two jedi masters isn't exactly the best position to be in, especially when three of them are ghosts.
bobislost
*angry anakin noises*
Spanky93
Interesting how Luke did not have to give up his attachments ( Leah and Han) to train
nighthawk526
He kinda had the same choice (different circumstances though) the armor = Han & Leia and the saber = stay and finish your training
Decitron
That's probably why he didn't end up becoming like Vader, who was trained to bottle his emotions and be ok with losing friends/ family.
Someshithead241
In which he would have not been pressured by the old ways and would know that connections don't lead to the dark side, since he had it. So
nighthawk526
We’ll yea connections don’t but attachments do and his attachment to Leia almost got him pretty close in his last battle with Vader
Someshithead241
And Vaders attachment is what saved the day
Someshithead241
He is rebuilding it, but not having any influence of their shitty traditions or fears or anything. So, it doesn't actually make sense.
UsernamesAreStupidAnyways
This is why the old EU comics (Shadows etc.) were *so* much better as a continuation of the OT than what we got in movie form.
nighthawk526
Once he gets his hands on the texts would he not be influenced by their shitty traditions?
Someshithead241
Nope, because he never read them to learn what those wags are.
matthias451
I know it's moot now but in the books he very much does not repeat the mistakes of the past and allows attachments. Works much better.
nighthawk526
I do wish the sequels would of gone more that direction. Kinda felt like there was only one way to go after TFA
Fuckimgurcunts
Well yeah he openly married Mara jade what a savage
matthias451
Agreed. Married the hot ginger who tried to murder him like a true boss ass Jedi then has some Jedi kids. Made his own padawans hahahahaha
Decitron
Mandalorian takes place shortly after ROTJ, he still hasn't learned about how shitty the Jedi Order was. In TLJ he makes very clear that...
Decitron
the Jedi Order's nonsense rules cut them off from the people they were supposed to help, helping Sidious rise, and creating Vader.
Decitron
He was still attached to the idea somewhat, even acknowledging this. Yoda helped him move on from that final hurdle with their shared scene.
nighthawk526
And given how the Order was wiped out so quickly I doubt there are any written records of their failings
nighthawk526
And they way Luke screams “the sacred JEDI TEXTS” to me is a dead give away on how much he relied on them
BumbleBeeBeardedGingerBear
Probably more like that favorite toy of your beloved dog that is now cherished and integral to preserving their memory.