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Of course, that picture is of an intentionally fake ID. If it’s a real ID (as opposed to Real ID—see what I did there?), the pink ID window would typically say “Normal” (if it was good to go) and the “boarding pass” window would be yellow and say TSA PreCheck, BP Check (for a random boarding pass check), etc.
CAT-2 adds facial matching (and you can opt out)
Meanwhile, before they’ve even completed introducing CAT to all U.S. airports, the TSA is already introducing new technology.
Called CAT-2, the new tech “enhances detection capabilities for identifying fraudulent IDs such as driver’s licenses and passports at a checkpoint and increases efficiency by automatically verifying a passenger’s identification,” Christopher Murgia, TSA’s Federal Security Director for Maryland, said in a recent TSA press release. “This helps ensure that we know who is boarding flights.”
With CAT-2, the unit takes your photo and compares it to the face on your ID. TSA spokesperson Lisa Farstein explained how it works:
Farstein added:
The technology enhances detection capabilities for identifying fraudulent documents at the security checkpoint. The photos are not saved and are only used to match the person standing at the travel document checking podium with the photo on the ID that is being presented. (2 of 3)
It’s a self-serve unit that reduces touchpoints: insert the ID—no handing a boarding pass or ID to a TSA officer. The benefits include improved efficiency, convenience for travelers, and enhanced security. (3 of 3)
That was not good news for this lady, huh?
According to the Dep’t of Homeland Security, the procedure for CAT-2 is as follows:
Passenger presents digital ID at the TDC (read: Travel Document Checkpoint) to engage CAT-2 to prompt the use of the digital ID.
The passenger’s device prompts the passenger to provide consent to securely transmit the requested data (i.e., name, gender, date of birth, and photo) to TSA. The digital ID is submitted to CAT-2.
CAT-2 takes a live picture of the passenger for a 1:1 match against the portrait image from the digital ID.
CAT-2 verifies biometric match, Secure Flight Vetting status (read: TSA PreCheck or other status), ID authentication, and itinerary information by verifying the digital ID is from the correct issuing authority (read: they can tell if you have fake ID).
CAT-2 confirms passenger identity, and TSO directs the passenger to the appropriate screening lane or manually resolves in the event of a no-match outcome.
And if you don’t want your picture taken, TSA can and will still do a standard ID check, same as always.
https://yourmileagemayvary.com/2025/12/13/tsa-sees-when-they-scan-your-id/
seenunseen
76000BatteryLlamas
leviaton
These systems also hate beards and changing of shaped beards
Melbuf
i willingly signed up for global entry they already know everything
9z2nf02h
Facial recognition verification at checkpoints is optional. I was in two airports recently. Of the hundred or so people in each TSA line, I was the ONLY one who declined. And not only wasn't it a big deal IT WAS FASTER THAN THE FACE SCAN.
9z2nf02h
There were at least three signs telling you it was optional.
youreathing
Like I needed more reasons never to go to the US.
spazztastic
Hopefully this speeds it up a bit. What can I say? I'm so fast at taking off my pants and putting them on my head, i'm usually waiting on everyone else o.0
EternalStudent07
People should be able to verify their ID for free from home. Ahead of time.
CraftyGiant
"insert the ID"
That's a big no thanks from me.
There's no guarantee they will give it back.
Evi1Gav
I love the idea that the ID expires. Like, it's still me, the expiration date is only of use for the intended use of the ID - in this case a driving licence. If I'm getting on a domestic flight, it's irrelevant that my driving licence has expired.
Revicus
I may be mistaken, but I think the concern around expired IDs is that someone could give or sell their old ID to someone else when they get a new one.
RetrogradeLlama
“The photos are not saved” - the state that issued your ID already saved them and made them available to the Feds on call. What difference does it make if they save them locally?
RummageSaleBubbler
Updated view of you. ID is one photo. Every time you enter the TSA is another dozen photos taken of your current state.
New glasses? New hair style? New style of clothes? New make-up style? Oh, you like rose-brown lipstick? New colored contacts? Oh, you had a beard from 2025-12-21 but shaved it before returning from Christmas on 2026-01-04 on the way to your small home town...how very Hallmark? Gained a bit of weight on that holiday didn't you?
CraftyGiant
It's easier to commit identify theft as a poorly traiend TSA 'agent' using a local database.
schlummi
It'd be stored in another database. Which means increased risks of a data breach, hack or whatever. Overall should storage of all data be minimized.
FrolickingFrolicking
You want as few as possible theft/attack vectors as possible.
One vector existing doesn’t mean it’s OK for mode to exist
notblubber
I am never using Imaginary Airlines again!
fformulaa
Used one of those about a year ago? Man i need a vacation. Anyways, yeah, just give it your multipass and all good! Probably have guns come out, like in 5th element, if you don't pass! Pretty quick n snazzy. Shit, i get more nervous when they pack us in BEFORE the checkpoint. Anyone with a suitcase full of silly string can come in 9ff the streets and create a rave party with couple 100 people packed in like sardines at the checkpoint. Bottle necked to the max!
FrolickingFrolicking
Is the metaphor/word with silly string just to be funny, or a euphemism to avoid scary topic, mod censoring, or something I don’t know
fformulaa
What I'm afraid of at airports is when they have jammed up lines and areas before the check point where someone could easily roll in with an entire suitcase, not some pressure cooker bombs, filled with explosives and any sort of fragmentation/shrapnel items straight off the street and into a congested precheck area. My anxiety is through the roof in that scenario. Very much like the Boston Marathon bombings
FrolickingFrolicking
Yes I totally get that. Also Mumbai hotel attack made me paranoid of all public places. I was curious about the silly string euphemism/joke specifically
greggbert
papers please
CarlBassett
You can get a NFC app on your smartphone and scan your own passport and get the photo and all your details up on screen.
YeastInfectedWhiskerBiscuit
Just another way for them to build their metrics on every individual on the planet to stuff their data centers with. Because they aren't being used for AI. They're being used to store thousands of data points and info in billions of people as an endless digital mug shot book.
DocFunkenstein
That's the point of ID, though...
Say what you will about TSA, ICE, etc. But acting shocked and appalled that ID is being used to confirm the identify of someone is kind of weird.
CraftyGiant
4th amendment says I don't need ID within the country. No checkpoints, no bullshit like this. Only international borders should require ID.
Revicus
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
To my layman's knowledge, requests to present identification by a business have not been held as a search or seizure, let alone an unreasonable one, in any cases.
DocFunkenstein
You should educate yourself better.
NotBuyinIt
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
Revicus
I believe they consider requests for ID to be an "unreasonable search or seizure," which the 4th amendment prohibits. I am not aware of any legal precedent for that interpretation.
CraftyGiant
It's more about the loss of freedom because it's not normalized to need ID for many things which didn't need ID in the past, like flying domestically.
I object to the growing police state.
NotBuyinIt
Yeah that was 25 years ago, sorry you can't enjoy the benefits of modern life and still live off the grid. It's absurd to think it's ok to get on a plane without identifying yourself
Revicus
A legitimate thing to object to. I do generally agree!
Morg729
So what if you lose your hairline and grow a beard? Or wear different makeup that day?
dreyfusslugado
Ironically, this won't matter if the airlines can't get fuel for their planes. Nobody will be flying.
1mshadowbanned
It actually isn't the govt business who is boarding flights. Supposedly we were all so scared after 9/11 that we had to check everyone to make sure that dangerous people didnt fly.
unluckyandbored
The Republican government used the 9/11 terror attacks to ramrod through a whole raft of overreaching security theater to begin turning the US into the surveillance state they wanted.
captiandavie
THANK YOU! Its wild the level of federal government involvement in domestic travel when you stop to think about it. and now with flock/Motorola they're doing it with driving too
OhIfIMust
netutoring
Sounds like a bunch of fake confidence-building bullshit to me.
Khanamana324
Yeah, it’s just more useless ass theater.
stanleyvanburen
this particular individual is unscannable
SomethingCatchyLater
The last few times I've flown, TSA was so backed up that they just skipped taking the picture and just scanned the ID and waved me on
Melbuf
flew out of SFO last week and the Pre Check line had 2 people looking at IDs, 1 side was doing face scan and the other ID check, was random
RetrogradeLlama
Remember when Republicans strongly opposed National ID systems?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
GamiCross
Opposed when they can't control it.
binge
The REAL ID Act came from Bush Jr. Very much an attempt at a national ID.
2Soon4Baboon
I'm starting to think they might have been lying
Finestructureconstant137
Whaaaaaaaaa
Mapconsuela
sir we have an Invalid ID, mr Sample you are under arrest.
hendawg2020
ROBOTvsMAN
...twas my buddy's last name in high school, first name John to top it off.
llamableat
it only takes a day sail ride up the NE coast to realize just how cynical this political control-led mass-surveilance masquerading as security theater really is.
Don't know anyone personally with a private jet, but stories from those that do also make it clear how laughably non-existant customs enforcement is for the rich.
How many airlines are left now? The state just continues to consolidate its authoritarian control.
RummageSaleBubbler
> "The photos are not saved and are only used to match the person"
Ok, let's have an independent audit then. Has been blocked every time so far.
While it does say "photos are not saved", it doesn't say biometrics are not saved. E.g. a facial embedding or 3D scan, could be stored indefinitely in the DB.
More info: https://eff.org/deeplinks/2019/04/skip-surveillance-opting-out-face-reco">ports">https://eff.org/deeplinks/2019/04/skip-surveillance-opting-out-face-recognition-airports && https://assets.aclu.org/live/uploads/2025/08/2025-07-29-S1691-Support-FINAL.pdf
shammael
Not this system, but I worked in a similar one back in 2004.
The photos were saved as temporary files and deleted after use. So technically not saved but any forensics unit could extract several from the drive.
The one I worked on interfaced with interpol and other international agencies, the photos were sent to them and there was no guarantee of them not saving them and very little we could do.
The company I worked for was the cheapest vendor, so many, many corners were cut to reduce costs
RummageSaleBubbler
Image via U.S. GAO (Government Accountability Office) by way of https://sls.eff.org/technologies/face-recognition ... worth reading.
EricAirheart
Another reason to not fly.
shorey66
*in or to America
license2kilt
Easy to say…
My trip to Boston last summer would have been a two and a half day drive each way, or a two hour flight. Guess which option I picked?
EricAirheart
How? It takes me 2 days to drive 1/2 way across country OR a 6hout flight. Either you are driving super slow or have a super fast jet.
license2kilt
I misspoke, I apologize. Omaha to Boston is about a three hour flight or about 21 hours of drive time. If I split it into eight hour shifts (I don’t know about you, but if I spend more than about eight hours behind the wheel, I get unpleasant) that’s about two and a half days.
freshthrowaway1138
If you're driving halfway across the US in 2 days, then you're either speeding like a madman or you're driving to the point of exhaustion. I've driven across the country 5 times and it takes 5-7 days on average.
M4UsedRollout
My trip to Chicago last summer would have been much quicker by plane but I took the train anyway. I haven’t set foot on an airplane since 2006 and if I have my way, I never will again until the TSA exists only as a chapter in a book about government overreach.
ThePockyJocky
Woo train supremacy!
1stDrunkJoe
Besides paying exorbitant prices to be treated like cattle, over worked air traffic controllers using incredibly outdated equipment, possibly in an aircraft of dubious engineering and/or maintenance, crumbling physical infrastructure, and pollution.
Jarodamus
Because flying is the only way they have that information.
thotheger
Ok so I guess I'll walk
ThisNameUnavailable
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." -Confucius, probably
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Imagine this kind of security theater before boarding a bus, a train, the subway, a ferry etc. Utterly preposterous.
Dracology
give it time
FrogDelay
True but also buses and trains are not hurdling through the air at 600mph where a lot more things can go wrong at any given point. By screening every person and knowing who’s on board, they’re reducing risks. If plane crashes happened as often as bus crashes, I would absolutely never get on one.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Planes were doing fine without the post-9/11 security theater. With the exception of 9/11 of course, but that was a failure of an inept administration to listen to the warnings of both domestic and foreign intelligence. Chances are the TSA theatrics wouldn't have prevented it either. Statistics suggest they're largely useless. Undercover DHS inspectors have smuggled all kinds of weapons through checkpoints with a 95% success rate (read: a 95% TSA failure rate). That's not worth the inconvenience
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
And by inconvenience I mean completely unacceptable violations of basic human dignity and privacy. It's utterly insane that being groped by strangers has become socially accepted. Nevermind being strip-searched. Even if this actually increased air travel safety, contrary to all statistics & research, it is such a severe violation of bodily autonomy – a form of sexual assault, in fact – that it should be entirely out of the question. Even inside a prison. There are lines that shouldn't be crossed
freshthrowaway1138
Also, for 9/11 just remember that we were all taught to stay calm in case of hijacking as they usually had a political purpose. In a post 9/11 world there is virtually no way that a hijacker would succeed simply because they would be ripped apart by the passengers.