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Boris Johnson has decided to try and suspend parliment. I tried explaining to my Canadian friend where this all began, why we got to where we are now and what is currently happening. I've tried to keep this all simple and relatively brief so that even if you don't have a decent following of UK politics you can understand what is happening. I've tried to be impartial in explaining however a lot was skipped over in favour of keeping the post simple.
So that's where we are now. With #GeneralStrike and #StopTheCoup trending on twitter. Please try to keep conversations in the comments CIVIL but feel free to ask questions or send me a PM. The last time the UK parliment was suspended we ended up in a civil war.
Update: The Queen has approved the suspension of Parliment, from what I understand she had no choice, so currently the suspension has been approved and will take place.
FP edit: Horah! In time honored tradition, send bobs and vagne if you enjoyed or learnt something from this post. Alternatively send funny Tinder advice.
Lambavelo
I'm French and I love UK. We didn't had so much fun for years. Keep going folk's !
charliefatspuds
I to voted remain in EU, the majority voted to leave EU, so we leave, simples
valdemarjoergensen
It was basically an opinion poll on a topic the general public didn't understand and it was unclear on what they were actually asking.
valdemarjoergensen
Going through it out of pure principle and stubbornness regardless of if the public actually want it or it's beneficial sounds dumb to me.
muhsinaldoori
Just an update, the Queen has granted the suspension
Itwasmyname
Sounds like you have enough trouble with the PM you've got without anyone sending you any more.
wellineverdidhowaboutyou
What a load of rubbish, who paid you to right this? Parliament is always proroged before the Queens speech. They loose 4 days.
boatere14
And they shit on American politics? really?
Treblaine
"We wanted to destroy the UKIP party" [UKIP support collapses as it's replaced by Brexit Party]
supremecheesehoffinator
As someone who's parents were in thr army when the troubles were going on I am not looking forward to returning to those nights again
KnightsOfShame
It won’t happen, UK and Ireland have both said they will not implement a hard border- or any kind of border.
arcgap
TL/DR If you want to learn about UK politics watch a Benny Hill episode
quixotegut
Ah, yes... The Yakety Sax party.
Billis75
They're all boobs.
GGprince
Fair go at summing up. But must point out that you overview of the north of Ireland and no mention of the hard border significance is poor!
GGprince
Also the stating of the complexity of the "troubles and only mention the IRA is hilariously bad and blinkered. But on the rest fair effort.
F1rools22
I know that I don't understand the troubles period of time in N Ireland very well, so I didn't wanna be too specific on it.
wanderingsibyl
What is your personal opinion on what will happen? @op
F1rools22
My pet theory is a mega coalltion between all strong remain parties. Lib dems, SNP, Plaid Cymry (can't spell, sorry), Greens.
F1rools22
I've had the theory for a couple months now, we will have to wait and see.
lionel1024
"wow you know a lot about politics" sounds like a social cue to say they don't care.
Sw1ftTurtle
"It's fascinating how much you like politics" --> "PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!"
F1rools22
lmao our history is... complex. I would say her texting style is... unique, in most cases I would agree with you but that's just her 1/2
F1rools22
texting in her way. 2/2
Krrrobins
add that on top of their clear misunderstanding of all the information they're given... yeah they don't care.
zeroisnothing
More about your sister please.
krapmyself
Remeber in the 60s we had all these visionaries who wanted to change the world for the better? And they got murdered for it?
CustomBuiltFamilyDad
Hush, we all hate hippies now. The things those people stood for, like love and rewarding work, are totally uncool in the 21st century.
Green223
To be fair people hated hippies in the 60's too.
CustomBuiltFamilyDad
That's true, good point. Also just like now, mainstream media picks the least representative individuals and pretends they are spokespeople
Green223
Exactly. It's easier for people to pretend everyone who disagrees with them is a radical than listen to their arguments.
kaarbaak1337
So they voted against doing anything? Then they voted against doing nothing? Sounds like politicians I'm familiar with.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
There's a majority against everything but for nothing. Sounds more like petulant children.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Cereaza
I wish US TV had UK standards. There's nipples and profanity all over the place!
Deadpoolio7
That last “twat” is some of the greatest comedic timing ever.
Bootsy81
God bless Danny. Most sense I've heard about Brexit since it began.
Elmo18782
Is that Pamela Anderson? Because holy shit. She cleaned herself up and she looks amazing!
BuckRavers
Must be, cuz I was wondering the same thing
malarkyirl
They let Piers Morgan on TV again? FFS.
Cereaza
I think that's who he meant by "Twat".
ColonelColon
Closing Parliament so they can't vote against your wishes sounds rather different from democracy.
Kyodaiki
You're missing the part where the vote to leave already happened and they have been blocking it for years. Does that sound like democracy?
Sarcgasm
It was an advisory referendum and MPs are now trying to avert economic disaster.
ColonelColon
If they're voting about it, yes. They're not blocking it as far as I'm aware, they're blocking leaving with no deal. Just suspending them 1)
ColonelColon
until the vote passes by is literal tyranny by the PM. Even if they were blocking it, the solution isn't tyranny by someone else.
F1rools22
The term dictatorship is being thrown about a lot.
theplayahaterball
Yeah, but Brexit was to leave the undemocratic EU!
theplayahaterball
Oh boy should I have put the /s there...
LasciviousHedgehog
Its like they keep trying give the SNP exactly what they need for a majority for independence.
ThatsMySecretCapImAlwaysHorny
The weird thing is the SNP don't want to be ruled over by London, but are perfectly happy to get ruled over by Brussels.
LasciviousHedgehog
The two systems are not comparable, otherwise the first minister could veto UK laws, currently not a bad idea given the state of Westminster
Gadvance
As much as the SNP are pretty sensible on many things independent Scotland is even less likely to be successful than Brexit, it's madness
itsapirateslifeforme
How do you figure that one?
upfr0mhere
They actually have a pretty terrible track record on stuff like policing, education and buildin multi-million pound hospitals they can't use
LasciviousHedgehog
Which is of course why the sucessful Glasgow police model for tackling violence is being adopted by other cities in the UK :s
rando84
Not if they build a land bridge to Denmark.
malarkyirl
Our Ireland, we welcome our Celtic brethren.
rando84
It may create minor navigational difficulties for ships, but you’ll be able to commute to your offshore rigs/fishing grounds by car now.
malarkyirl
Fishing grounds maybe, worked on fishing boats for years, most of the whelks were inshore.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Scotland leaves because they want to re-join the EU. Last time they had an independence referendum, London basically told them "if you (1)
TheWombatStrikesAgain
leave us, you'll leave the EU and we will block you re-entry". So you might see why the Brexit referendum got them super angry. (2)
Vedar
That's what they get for listening to politicians.
dogestyle
The EU might not let them in in that case though - Spain wouldn't want Catalonia to get more ideas about independence
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Possible. Technically speaking they could be contempt with the situation as is, because Catalonia wants to be part of the EU and as long (1)
TheWombatStrikesAgain
as Spain is also part of it, they could always block re-entry. But that doesn't mean that this will be enough for them. (2)
Kilgravewannabe
That would almost end labours ability to get into power so the tories may not be that against it......
LasciviousHedgehog
Eh, there are currently 7 Labour MPs from Scotland. Its no longer a Labour stronghold due to SNP.
Kilgravewannabe
Is it that bad for them up north now? They may already be screwed then
LasciviousHedgehog
People that oppose independence lost all faith in labour to stop it and switched to conservatives on pretty much that sole issue in 2017
Kilgravewannabe
Sounds like labour and brexit now
infernalcombustionengine
That's what i reckon UKIP were for, between them and the SNP labour have been shredded in the last few years.
lemmesmashplease
It is 2015. You are Putin and you wake up to Russia being completely isolated politically and economically after annexing Crimea (1/x)
2rhody
pretty much, yep.
lemmesmashplease
The US has impose sanctions. You have been kicked out of the G8. The US is building a gas pipeline in the middle east to supply Europe (2/x)
lemmesmashplease
Messing up the one power you hold over Europe. Fast forward to 2019. Your enemies are completely divided. US threatens to leave NATO (3/x)
lemmesmashplease
Other NATO nations understand they cannot count on the US. Your major economic and cultural competitor the EU is now breaking apart (4/x)
lemmesmashplease
Nationalism and isolation is a major movement across Europe and the US: the UK, France, Italy, Poland are being governed (5/x)
lemmesmashplease
or have a strong Nationalist party getting a seat at the table. The US is sharply divided as it has not been since the Civil War. (6/x)
cabooyah
When does Cromwell show up?
SlightlyDodgy
About 3 weeks before the battle of Newbury. So soon. The fires have been lit and Gondor calls for aid. (Oh boy can't wait for November!)
MrRemakes
In the name of God, go!
anubisfike
That would be an improvement.
TheRudeWarrior
DON’T YOU FOOKIN JOKE ABOUT IT. My ancestors were driven out of England by that bastard.
Ambrosia77
Oh no, not the puritens again. They will try to rewrite uk history, distroy faith and building's related to it and burn 'witches'.... Then
Ambrosia77
Claim they are being persecuted and go across the pond to start over again.
zeethenomad
OMG YES! It astounds me how many people don't realize that the Puritans were straight up religious fanatics.
upfr0mhere
Was that not obvious? From y'know *gestures vaguely in America's direction* stuff...
AaronPaulSturtevant
episode three of the scarifyers. best one.
F1rools22
In 3... 2... 1....
Maultasche
QuinnBowyer
Nigel Faragewell, on his horse of Air Raid Sirens and Angry red-faced brandy soaked Rage.
skwint
I have never killed anyone, but there are some obituaries I look forward to reading with great satisfaction.
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
I have never read an obituary.
ArcaneConjecture
Forget Cromwell. Y'all need King Arthur.
Ambrosia77
Good call, don't forget Sir Bedevere the Wise, Sir Lancelot the Brave, Sir Galahad the Chaste and Sir Robin the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-
Ambrosia77
-Sir-Lancelot.
Hutchy01
As a general just after the first shots as a leader, a couple of years into the republic
Beyonder13
The Queen can't say no?
Green223
Her roll in this is largely symbolic. If she did go against it the UK would be thrown into a constitutional crisis.
CustomBuiltFamilyDad
Apparently the suspension only covers 4 days that Parliament would actually be in session? So she's unlikely to see this as worth the effort
Chryos
Conventionally she doesn't. She's a figurehead. She technically has the authority to, but functionally it could lead to the eradication of
jake557
On paper it's shocking how much power the Queen still has. She can veto any law. Appoint lords who can delay/force amendments to laws. (1)
jake557
And while her choice for Prime Minister has always been in line with the result of elections, she can in theory just select anyone. (2)
Chryos
the monarchy, so they basically act as a big fancy rubber stamp for parliament.
Nerubin
Well if the queen fully aware of such reprecussions woud still say no. Then HOOO boy, you really need a reality check for once in your life.
GedoonS
Sounds like she should say "no", then? Like, isn't monarchy a bit last century stuff anyway? A bit costly rubber stamp that.
Chryos
I mean, I'm not in favor of the monarchy, but why on earth would she nuke her cushy job?
GedoonS
Everything else is going up shit creek without a paddle. Crank it up a bit for shits and giggles.
Requiem2389
In other words:
DoublevBomb
I can't help but imagine that it's Ireland saying that.
oneoilybird
I mean, if they're gonna proclaim they'll do it in the most amazing fashion, you just have to cheer them on.
braaaiiiiinnnnsss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxkviXQFm1s
BemusedPenguin
Green223
It's sad there are people who still think EU will cave and give them a more favorable agreement. It's like watching a grandma with dementia.
Dowr
Why would the EU give the UK a good deal? If the UK is successful post Brexit, that would motivate other countries to leave the EU
PangolinBan
The EU might (not likely, but not impossible) be willing to accept a more favourable deal simply because no-deal is going to be very 1/2
PangolinBan
2/2 costly - especially on the level of individual citizens, rather than 'the economy' - but they will never budge on their essential reqs.
Nibtrix
If the EU backs down on the need for the Irish “backstop” then a lot of the smaller member countries will lose faith in the EU
PangolinBan
They won't. An equitable solution for Ireland is an essential requirement for a deal for the EU. They might ease up on the separation 1/2
PangolinBan
2/2 bill or on some of the trade agreement parts, but not on Ireland or the integrity of the common market.
spidrvampyre
Dwight, you ignorant slut...
Vedar
At this point let's just get it all done with and move on.
ScrewYouAndTheDildoYouRodeInOn
TLDR version: White nationalist retards are fucking up more than just America.
mattsall
Tbf, in the UK we have plenty of non-white nationalist retards
attofreak
What are "non-white" nationalists of UK? How will they yell, "Britain for British!" when they know it is targeted against them?
Vedar
It's nothing to do with white nationalism...
ScrewYouAndTheDildoYouRodeInOn
what is it?
MacRockatansky
Everything is to do with white nationalism if you can't think of a better argument.
ScottishRoss
Hilariously our home secretary, Priti Patel, an immigrant, has a hard line against immigration and is for capital punishment.
Vedar
It's ok to think that immigration systems need changing, even if you are an immigrant yourself. One does not exclude the other.
ScottishRoss
No she's a real hard liner. What she wants to implement would have even stopped her parents getting to the UK.
Vedar
That still does not matter. You don't need to be bound to a system just because it once treated you favourably.
TrueLegateDamar
She also wanted to starve Ireland into submission, ignoring the Eire is a net food exporter while UK imports over half it's food.
F1rools22
Yeah I've never really understood that one...
ministerm
The 'pulling up the ladder' concept. Apparently way more common than people realise.
fantasticlight
They don't want to give the opportunities she a d her family enjoyed. Indians usually are selfish as fuck. (im Indian its OK)
namiasdf
Hypocrite who found that he could stand on the other side of discrimination if he sold himself to the devil.
namiasdf
He'll never have true respect, but at least people won't make fun of him right? Irony at its finest.
Vedar
She is a woman, do you even know who you are talking about?
Selerox
She was also fired for trying to open a non-governmental diplomatic backchannel to Israel.
IMayNotReplyToYou
That's good, it's shows even the immigrants understand the immigration problem. There are even people who ignore crimes committed by
IMayNotReplyToYou
Immigrants, because it can be seen as racist! Imagine that! These are bad times
conquer4
So like trump, who hates immigration yet his parents were immigrants?
Darkspire
Maybe he should go fix Germany first...
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Germany here. We already had our version of Trump. Did not turn out well.
Darkspire
Fair enough. I was turning his own words around on him.
IMayNotReplyToYou
I don't think you understand what am immigrant is, or our views. We have no problem with legal immigrants, they help out country a lot,
IMayNotReplyToYou
But illegal immigrants are a huge problem obviously, and slack immigration control (UK here) makes the good legal immigrants look bad
Mireru
shh! 'No human is illegal' ∴ 'no migrant is illegal' ∴ 'they are all just migrants' ∴ 'trump hates mexico' Q.E.D.
honeyissweet
Parliament was going to be closed for conference season ANYWAY, he’s only extended its closure by 5 days.
honeyissweet
What he has done is just leave a little less time for MPs to debate whatever he comes back from Brussels with. Likely forcing thru his deal
CrazyGuyOnABike
Parliament is able to vote to shorten conferences tho, if need be. Prorogation prevents them from lawmaking, even if they want to.
KnightsOfShame
Shh, facts don’t make catchy headlines.
malarkyirl
It's 14 days past the usual 3 week conference period. And he's only suspended the democratic process for the longest time in 400 years 1/?
malarkyirl
At a time when it was looking shady that he could force through a bill. Like, what? He just decided everybody could do with another 2/?
malarkyirl
Couple of weeks of holiday while an entire nation tries to remove itself from the EU? He didn't do that because his position is strong. 3/?
malarkyirl
He literally suspended parliament, meaning, no matter what party you support, none of your elected representatives get to have any say 4/?
malarkyirl
in running the country, and you don't think that's weird or totalitarian?
mthsdvn82
Here in Netherlands people are organising a "send off" for UK, standing on the beach on October 31 at sundown waving to UK across the water
softballguy
That's savage. I'm gonna need pictures.
ninetenduh
That is what the sensible Brits do to their economy. At least Vacations in Britain will be Dirt Cheap for a while.
SaturnineCult
And someone with John Cleese's voice saying "good riddance you freeloading bastard".
HonestCommentFarmer
"Don't let Finland hit you on the way out!"
ColoniseTheGalaxy
The country where I want to be.
upfr0mhere
I think there's a leaving drinks being organised in London too
oneoilybird
And if London burns, I'll be standing on the beach [...] - kinda works, doesn't it?
mthsdvn82
I'd hate to see London burn. I got no problem with UK, apart from the idiots it contains
oneoilybird
I was quoting a song, should have marked it. Ah i forgot. Anyways, yeah, that's not meant literally, it would suck more for us continentals2
mthsdvn82
Didn't realise it was a song. Assumed you meant in proverbially.
malarkyirl
Here in Ireland we're nervously looking at our land border thinking "FFS not again"
FunctioningWorkaholic
Nahhh... it will be the bomb!
Toldavf
Yeah nobody wants a return to the troubles. BoJo has really messed things up this time.
malarkyirl
True, but I really do hope there is a way out of it.
Toldavf
Me 2
Vedar
Cool, we will wave back at you when the sea levels begin to rise :D
mthsdvn82
Deal :)
JHawke
I'm just waiting on a definite outcome on how bad it is. It would sadly probably make family bbqs a lot more fun again without nexit people.
mthsdvn82
You have nexiters in your family?? Poor you
JHawke
Yip :(
mthsdvn82
I'm glad my family isn't like that... I think.... I guess I'll find out this weekend at the annual family weekend...
PangolinBan
A lot of how bad it is will never be known. Not trying to be a doomsayer or pushing Project Fear, but the real negative won't be the 1/3
PangolinBan
2/3 economy going down the shitter for a few years - that'll recover and those in favour will say it's all worth it. The real negative is
PangolinBan
3/3 individuals suffering: people losing their job or their business will take cold comfort from things picking up again years later.
ZackWester
maybe.... there is also the small chance that a no deal brexit will cripple the UK economy so hard England back 30+ year and never recover.
SteveHeap
How do the Dutch perceive brexit, what's their thoughts?
mthsdvn82
Depends who you ask. Some see you as an example to follow, the nexiters. Some think you're idiots. Some fear what's coming with a no-deal.
F1rools22
How many fear the UK getting no-deal? I'm genuinly curious if much of the EU feels that a UK no deal will significantly hurt the EU.
mthsdvn82
Not many. It'll hurt or economy a bit but not as much as it'll hit your economy. Honestly, I'm more worried about the whole Ireland thing...
IAmTheMessenger
Is this the country we want? A slide into undemocratic, blindly xenophobic nationalism? Remember when one of our kindest MPs was murdered?
IAmTheMessenger
He murdered Jo Cox whilst shouting 'keep Britain independent'. Our country is split in half! No one has faith in our parliamentary system.
F1rools22
I should have mentioned that- I feel like it was given enough attention.
IAmTheMessenger
She died only 3 years ago.
IAmTheMessenger
How do we get out of this with our heads up and our reputation among other nations positive? :'(
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
The thing about Jo Cox being assassinated which made me feel physically sick, was on the night of the results Farage saying "and we did it >
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
without firing a single shot!" of course I won't rule out mental health for the guy, clearly the court did however. The lead up to the ref.
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
became more and more nasty and lies and misinformation spread like wildfire.. I dunno. We're plucked whichever way we look at it.
Zarkai
We can't. Even if we cancel it, that's not happening. The UK's reputation and soft power has been irrevocably damaged and deservedly so.
oneoilybird
hard to feel empathetic. The people that voted for that vision of Britn, with hopefully least sinister results, well, they'll have that then
IAmTheMessenger
fuck everyone else huh
PangolinBan
Damage is done, mate. The referendum really blew it from the start. It should never have been simple majority and it should never have 1/2
PangolinBan
1.5/2 been a simple yes or no question. Now the gov't has a shaky mandate to do something unclear; if they don't do it it's undemocratic and
PangolinBan
2/2 if they do it's arguably undemocratic as well. Can't win.
GunneryChef
They really did not sum this up well.
Shanghaidoll
Can you do better?
GunneryChef
The UK voted to leave the EU and the politicians want to delay until they get their personal finances in order
F1rools22
Ok, you can sum it all up in a relatively unbiased way giving all the details if you like.
Yellowboy66
You think you're being unbiased? That's concerning
GunneryChef
UK citizens voted to leave the EU. Politicians voted to delay in an attempt to move their personal financial interests out of the EU.
F1rools22
What happened to the years inbetween?
OscarinoBallerino
It's a summary not a narrative.
mistereddy
Alright, that's a fair conclusion. What did they miss/mess up? What do you have to add? Im sincerly interested and want to understand.
jimmityjammity
Important to note that 1 biased idiot deciding (statistical lies and personal gains) is far worse than many elected officials discussing
WeezyWee
Skipped whole points about how the parliament is 79/30 remain whilst UK constituencies are 70/30 leave. Remain trying to ruin negotiations
WeezyWee
70/30 typo
WeezyWee
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2016_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum for reference 280 constituencies
WeezyWee
Leave, 129 voted remain so 79.8% leave vote. Largest remain areas were London which is basically a municipality anyway, and Scotland
WeezyWee
70.8% fucking typo
Vedar
Notice how they can only downvote, there is no way to explain the facts away.
WeezyWee
Back door deals with EU. Massive govt and media propaganda campaigns etc
spudpicker
Are you saying 70% of UK constituents favor leaving the EU? Because the current polls I see have over 50% in favor of remaining.
WeezyWee
Constituencies. The major population centres of London and Manchester voted remain, but thats not representative of the country
spudpicker
Okay, even as a guy in a small, rural town, I'm getting kind of sick of people saying voters don't count if they live in cities. Screw that.
GunneryChef
It is simple. The UK voted to leave the EU. The politicians are delaying because it lessens their powers, and harms their personal finances
jimmityjammity
Literally that's the only reason ANY of them are pushing to LEAVE, they can personally massively profit from it and fuck everyone else.
GunneryChef
People voted to leave, politicians could have left already as the vote wanted. They haven't because of UK-Eu personal financial interests
theplayahaterball
When Winston Churchill presented the best argument against democracy he referred to voters like you
jimmityjammity
The advisory vote has its glaringly obvious issue highlighted in the post: Leave at all costs vs leave sensibly vs remain is not presented
doobas
The last time we suspended parliament was in the 1990s, due to a scandal involving MPs getting paid to ask questions. No civil war happened.
doobas
The idea of a referendum was put before parliament, and 500+ MPs voted in favour, with 50ish against. That's why we had a referendum.
doobas
After the ref, parliament voted on whether to accept the result, and 400+ voted in favour, to 100ish against.
doobas
The actual referendum vote was the biggest turnout for a vote in the UKs history. 33 million people voted.
kakivara
If Parliament refuses to approve what the population voted for, it doesn't sound like Johnson has any other option.
ThePrimeMagus
They've also refused to hold another vote after the misinformation during the first came to light despite popular support.
kakivara
If they refused to hold another vote, how do you know what popular support is in favor of? Riddle me that.
Mithi
They voted in a NON-BINDING referendum.
spacemagemari
So the proper democratic thing is to ignore the will of the people and run the country how they see fit; i thought that was a bad thing?
KnightsOfShame
Ref was advisory, but Article 50 was not. 80% of MPs voted for Article 50, so it’s law.
kakivara
So what? Just ignore it? Why invoke article 50 at all then? What has the government been doing this whole time? Ignore the people I guess.
ThePrimeMagus
The people don't want brexit. They wanted another vote after the whole shitstorm became more transparent.
kakivara
Haha. "The vote didn't come out like our side wanted, so it doesn't count and the WILLOFTHEPEOPLE is that we vote again."
ThePrimeMagus
If you'll only accept a single popular vote as the will of the people, I'll agree if we make that the vote on 5 June 1975.
kakivara
That's the most absurd argument I've heard yet. That's not how democracy works, bub. Pretty sure it's the most recent vote that counts.
Mithi
Yes, they could have ignored it. Or do it right, starting a longer, and better campaining and doing a binding ref with a) a minimum [1]
WeezyWee
The biggest turnout since 1992 with 72% is high enough? And if remain win 52/48 thats not a supermajority. Get a brain
Mithi
Remain doesn't have to "win". Leavers wanted to change the status quo so they should have to reach the supermajority.
WeezyWee
Basically you want a dictatorship that fixes results so one side is hamstrung. Not even GCSE politics that mate
Mithi
participation and b) a minimum percentage that has to be reached for making a decision of that magnitude. [2]
Mithi
E.g. proposed changes to the German Constitution have to reach as 66,6% majority to be effected.
CorsaC20XE
I am so sad it's going this way. I studied in the UK for 4 years and consider it as my second home. This really shook me up.
IMayNotReplyToYou
I live in the UK, and every other 1st world country looks so much better. Just the pure freedom of other countries is mouth watering
Shoutrr
do you have a permit for that mouth watering?
attofreak
I was there for a year and after that have had back and forth for a few more years. This was simmering under the surface before Brexit.
tyrunn
There are many of us who have been European since birth, old people and racists have fucked away the future because "we won a war once"
IMayNotReplyToYou
That's really not the case
tyrunn
It literally is, and if you voted leave you're a cunt, a racist jingoistic cunt
WeezyWee
More reason not to let children vote
TheWombatStrikesAgain
There is legitimate criticism of the EU. Though the Leave campaign addressed very little of that and instead went with lots of lies, (1)
TheWombatStrikesAgain
empty promises, and imperial nostalgia. But not every Leave voter is a cunt, some were just scared, dumb, or horribly misinformed. (2)
IMayNotReplyToYou
Right..... and instead of insulting people who have different opinions to you, why not see the side, I know there are pros and cons to
IMayNotReplyToYou
Leaving, and you should see both sides instead of being an arrogant propaganda follower