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So this is the EU at the moment. It makes laws for all member states, regulates business and trade as well as allows all people to travel where they want. Obviously this has its ups and downs...
The EU was originally just a Free Trade area, "Great Idea!" everyone thought "We can do business easier anywhere!"
But then Maastricht came along....
The Union began to evolve to create laws for its member states, and the European Court can overrule any smaller countries legal decisions - just wondering - would the US put up with that?
So we're all Xenophobes and Racists.....
Thats what alot of people who voted Remain would have you believe about Leave voters. Immigration was one of the issues (Leave wanted us to have a Australian style or US style system.....so racist right?). But another of the reasons people voted for Leave was in order to take back control of the billions we send to the EU (some of which they graciously spend on us - thanks) and so we arent involved in a Greater European State in the future.
For example - the EU is having its own army soon.....the great 'European project' is one day pledged to create a superstate - whats wrong with not wanting that???
FREEDOM! - Or not quite
So people are saying Scotland might just up and walk out, sorry guys, not going to happen. Scotland had an independence vote 2 years ago and voted to stay in the UK. The EU was actually a much smaller part of that decision. Bigger in Scottish minds was their economy - (largely oil based, and we know how thats gone) and the fact they didnt want the Euro, which they would not have a choice over now....
Opinion polls for Scottish independence are already being taken, they're showing less inclination towards independence than 2014...
'Rule Britannia' they shout as they drown in the Atlantic.....
Nope. The United Kingdom is the worlds 5th largest economy, America, Germany, Japan, and China have already said they want to begin special trade talks immediately. The £ fell, and now has already recovered. The stock market fell, and now is back on track.
So yeah, we're going to do just fine.
InducedVertigo
Thanks Nostradamus.
oOhHELLno
why do i feel when you say the EU is bad that me as a Belgian feel like you're angry at me for somthing i can't controle.
Loco94
It is my opinion that you have a dangerous misunderstanding of how the European Union operates.
BendKC
To be fair, Australia is pretty racist towards its Asian immigrants. And the immigration debate in US is also heavily clouded by xenophobia.
vlej
Your concept of back on track is laugable. And... the billions? you get back almost as much money as you sent, the difference is less than
vlej
100 million a year, and there is nothing wrong--quite the opposite--with a modicum of wealth redistribution amongs member states. The world
vlej
2. survives, that's what it's used to do, but you just made it a little less good of a place with this inane and insane decision
GolFoehammer
Long live the UK!
Machiavellianism
DownBringer
Also France overtook us as the 5th largest economy. This is typical leave, outdated nonsense information.
Fextrus
"Would the US put up with that" is a weak argument. America and Britain are vastly different. Also, state rulings are regularly overturned>>
Fextrus
>> by the supreme court. It's a little ironic to ask that, especially because it draws on the unpopular(In the us) idea of states rights.
supervillaintrainee
Yes but we,re a country, not a state, and i dont see foreign powers intervening in your courts
dunnojustletmein
First part is disingenuous. The only reasons to leave were stupidity, laziness or xenophobia. A lot of people in Scotland voted to stay 1/
dunnojustletmein
because they were assured that staying in the UK was the best way to make sure they stayed in the EU. Lastly no we're not 5th. I'm not 2/
dunnojustletmein
at all surprised at the way you voted. 3/3
HistoryRangerofParkImgur
I would love to see the breakup of the EU
Areallyawesomeusername
There are a bunch of countries now considering leaving and even the EU bureaucrats are saying for Leave to win there are issues with the EU
notasexyrobot
As yesterday under a similar post I suggest once again - a downvote orgy
Mapusaurus
While the Scottish independence is certainly a possibility, the rest of the UK could definitely survive without them.
Areallyawesomeusername
Actually- recent polling after the vote suggests the desire of the Scottish people to leave the uk is dwindling
dunnojustletmein
Yep, I can only hope that their are fewer people who buy into Westminsters lies and fear mongering this time.
ihavetwosnakes
The EU fell hard into crazytown when it wanted its own army.
firabar12
There is no Eurocorps, you twat. Those guys are BORDER CONTROL in the employ of the Union.
TheresABirdOnMyFoot
Limiting immigration isn't racist, it's classist. Stop oppressing the rich and taking away their right to flood the market with cheap labor!
IWishPeopleWouldStopStealingMyUsernames
Racist Delusions: British edition
Muchbeefsodinner
Gpb hasn't recovered for shit. You apparently don't follow the market.
spitfires2000
Just wait until they start producing Kentish strong ale in Germany at half the cost and twice the quality. (Kentish strong ale has a PGI)
waitingforeas
Yeah. Just like we are all racists because we support trump... Get use to a minority of people, that are the loudest, saying shit.
tinkertwat
Real question though. Why do you support Trump?
waitingforeas
If you want an honest answer I'll give you it. I was military. I am a working class man now. He isn't afraid to say what he thinks or 1/2
waitingforeas
Or acts. He represents the way us workers and military feel. We are fed up with career politicians. I may not agree 100% but still
etotheipiplus1
The only thing correct in this post is that, in the medium to long term, the U.K. will probably be ok.
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Thamutznutz
Not in and of itself. But go and listen to the rhetoric behind it and tell me there is no xenophobia...
Butane9000
Sometimes, but it depends on true factual trends such as benefit/welfare usage etc. and gauging whether that's sustainable or even deserved.
BendKC
Aren't the cowards the ones scared of the immigrants? There seems to be a lot of fear in the leave camp.
Machiavellianism
Immigrant = freeloader
BendKC
Immigrant = Hard worker who takes the jobs the natives feel too good to do.
Machiavellianism
"the natives feel too good to do." realy..?
whiskeyvillage
Wait! The EU is developing an army??
Machiavellianism
Yes and they will wear swastika and have HQ in berlin.
BendKC
No they're not. They're building up border control.
notme222
Trade is good. Foreign control is bad. The EU offered both, which is why I get both sides. Lets hope Brussels doesn't kill trade from spite.
Ferne
it's complicated, foreign control is sometimes useful as well and trade isnt good in itself
Areallyawesomeusername
Europe needs us more than we need them. The trade deals will be sorted out without issue because of that.
Tibbus
It's just if they don't want to make an example of the UK and not care too much if it will also harm the EU...
Areallyawesomeusername
Well said! I'm fed up of being called a racist just because I voted leave! I'm an immigrant political science major graduate for f*** sake!
dunnojustletmein
Then why did you vote to leave? Because everything OP said was bullshit. Did you have a valid reason?
Areallyawesomeusername
2- with immigration- I a point system like those used by Canada and Australia would be fairer. It's time Britain took back its sovereignty.
Areallyawesomeusername
It's not bullshit. I don't think a United States of Europe is a worthwhile plan, and that's what the EU is a framework for. I have no issue
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Areallyawesomeusername
Haha
BigLutris
Yea, you'll be fine. You'd just be better off within. It's not wrong to want the things you stated, a lot of ppl just think that they are
BigLutris
outdated. For a century now Europe has been in a state of de-nationalisation. UK took a step back, it is ok, we respect, we regret, we move
BigLutris
on, as some EU parliamentarian said. A lot of people, especially younger, well educated ones, feel like Europeans first, then like Polish,
BigLutris
German, French or whatever. I get that all the hate pouring down on the leavers is annoying, but the leave took away a lot of chances for a
BigLutris
lot of people. And those people i feel sorry for.
HistoryRangerofParkImgur
Actually the correct term is globalization of which the UK rejected yesterday which is a great step for mankind
BigLutris
No, I don't mean globalisation. I mean what I said.
hovelhopper
What are the pros, if any, and cons of globalization in your mind?
HistoryRangerofParkImgur
the views of certain other nations towards such. I would not accept their rulings over my constitutional guarantees
HistoryRangerofParkImgur
The different laws and cultures of each nation do not represent one another. Take my views on right to own and use firearms vs
halfswing
Our immigration system isn't necessarily racist much as just fucked up. Some people are trying to make it racist though.
halfswing
I don't know why anyone would look at American immigration policies and say "we should do that!"
zoxir
'Would the US put up with that?' That's exactly what the US is, The supreme court of Texas can't overule a decision the federal one made
supervillaintrainee
But you're all American..... There isn't a foreign power making your laws
Andolomar
But once upon a time it was a foreign power, and the Confederacy went to war with it. They lost, and now they are a single nation.
zoxir
1 Not American just a fellow European that's glad you left, 2 No one was American when the US was created.
supervillaintrainee
I don't think anyone was Texan either...
zoxir
Yes they were British, French, Dutch, German can you see where I'm going with this?
LemonyVengeance
The US is a Republic.. @OP was referring to a collection of independent countries (like the EU) but in the west. and no, the US wouldn't.
zoxir
He found the worse example possible on this planet as the US struggled for years and even fought a war to become the country it is today
LemonyVengeance
it's fought multiple wars (with other nations AND internally) to get where it's at. IF the US had an opportunity to diplomatically leave /1
zoxir
My bad for not clarifying the American the civil war.
LemonyVengeance
the UK in 1776, I'm sure the founding fathers would have. /2
KnowerOfNothing
Actually, UK is now not the 5th, because their economy just tanked.
v #4 "WAS" true.
supervillaintrainee
Still 5th by all major measures im afraid....
KnowerOfNothing
Nope... http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/683003/Brexit-shock-France-overtakes-UK-worlds-fifth-largest-economy-pound-plunges
supervillaintrainee
Ooooh, the express says so, must be true
Machiavellianism
firabar12
And additionally, our pound has absolutely NOT recovered. It is currently worth 1.23 euros, which is EVEN LOWER THAN YESTERDAY.
dunnojustletmein
It's amazing that these people keep claiming the pound recovered. All the really happened is it stopped plummeting.
demolishon
well it began recovering as it did raise
waitingforeas
Stop being reasonable
demolishon
actually yesterday I saw it go to 1.16 so it is recovering, I imagine it will recover in a matter of months
firabar12
I'm pretty sure that a pound being worth 1.16 euros is NOT recovery, buddy.
Machiavellianism
1gbp=1.23 eur, 1.36 usd,9.03 cny. I check from from xe.com they lost 10 points yesterday and gain back 3-5 point.
Machiavellianism
so maybe we can say recovering but like a dent not big bounce.
firabar12
I was reacting to the previous guy but yeah. Pound is still in the shits, stock market even worse.