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Mar 29, 2018 2:43 PM
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kanibal
I think the population of the US is x40 population compared to switzerland so more variations to consider when comparing crime rates.
richbun
Statistics eh? Apparently 9 out of 10 people enjoy gang rape.
KarlPhylos
You mean if you have a smaller and mostly uniform population, it’s easier to govern? Wow!
whadupdalg
Damn those new moms without paid maternity and all their crime.
KennyK2000
The country is also a bit larger then the city of Dallas
phukimgur
One of these pix is NRA propaganda the other is thoughtfully laid out facts. Which do you think the average GOP voter will understand?
Entartika
Switzerland has 8 million people, USA has 325 million. I would hope they have their shit together lol.
marikesh
Here we see a fundamental lack of understanding of economies of scale.
DamnedAustin
This. The people who are most vehement about keeping their guns are the same people who vilify and work to tear down anything that would (1)
DamnedAustin
improve the quality of life for millions of Americans which would, in all likelihood, reduce crime and poverty just because they might (2)
DamnedAustin
have to pay a few more dollars in taxes and somebody might *gasp!* have a decent life even though they didn't work quite as hard. (3/3)
LincolnsVengeance
It's not about working hard. Sometimes people just don't get the opportunity. I have a friend who works 3 jobs to support his daughter.
DamnedAustin
Agreed. Those aren't my sentiments, but people who oppose having social safety nets tend to be misinformed on this issue.
nabacular
Rewarding failure will produce more failure. Example: Imagine if we were allowed to upvote selfies
DamnedAustin
It's not "rewarding failure", numbnuts. It's making sure that failure is survivable and, as I mentioned, providing those resources work (1)
DamnedAustin
to reduce poverty, which reduces crime. When the people at the bottom do better, EVERYONE does better. (2/2)
nabacular
If helping poor people worked the way you think, there would be less poor people not more
USMCLynch
Switzerland is the size of new york city. You can do all thats with a population that small.
Sebula
Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world because it's filled with Swiss. There's no such thing as magic soil, import Bantus. . .
Sebula
and see what happens.
GlueyPorchTreatments
Nope. Because it is rich and it is not filled with swiss. Switzerland has approx. 20% foreigners.
MoussaillonDuWeb
Are we just comparing the grass eating child to the well educated one ?
Mack1986
Switzerland is also 92% homogenous considering an overwhelming majority of immigrants are other Europeans
Barkinsons
It's not like gun violence is an immigration issue. We have laws that prevent immigrants from war-ridden countries to buy guns
Mokelzwerg
Your point being?
BigTfromDE
They don't have inbreds who like noisy toys.
killernerd
America is a third world country in disguise. We all know that.
EneZio
Why does America obsess over guns so much?
LincolnsVengeance
It's not America as a whole, it's a large minority who like to scream about guns.
Naternutts
We're obsessed with equality. "God created man and Sam Colt made them equal"
SuperNintendoEntertainmentSystem
Because they think guns are cool, they're afraid and insecure, and guns make them feel like a big man.
d0o0o0d
Culture war. One side is trying to impose it's will on the other, and the other is telling them to eff off.
Ginocide
This. Youtube/Reddit banning guns has nothing to do with legality. Forcing them out of standard forums to shadier ones to vilify them.
Naternutts
They are integral to our foundation and evolution as a nation, as well as a key component of our freedom and independence. The great 1/
Naternutts
equalizer, regardless of gender, size, or race, with a gun all are equal, and in the wilderness it putts is at the top of the food chain 2/
flyingdutchfrenchman
... Wow.
Naternutts
instead of the bottom. We didn't settle this land and conquer the west with a smile and a wink.
Naternutts
Also, the 2nd amendment guarantees the rest of the constitution. Without it, they're just words on paper.
genericusernamewasalreadytaken
Maybe back in 1800 it did. These days it has absolutely nothing to do with it. If congress repealed the 2nd Amendment the rest of the 1/
LapisScarab
Lots of reasons, but the biggest on is that the "right to keep and bear arms" is straight up in our Constitution, just under free speech 1/2
thesmelge
Yeah, but so is the "well regulated militia" part. Funnily they're happy to ignore the fuck out of that bit.
GameDevSorcery
It means well trained, as in "regulars" vs "irregulars" in military terms, the regular s know better of tactics, and formations, 4 example
LapisScarab
which a lot of dumbos have decided means they can have as many guns as they want with no restrictions whatsoever. 2/2
LapisScarab
Also there's this weird fantasy that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to make sure citizens can overthrow the US government.
GameDevSorcery
.. That's literally it's purpose though...
LapisScarab
No it isn't. It was there so we could be ready if *Britain* tried to fuck with us again, which stopped being a problem after 1812.
LapisScarab
There were uprisings very early in the country and fuckin Washington stopped them, I think the Founders were pretty clearly against the idea
limbodog
Wasn’t this debunked?
d0o0o0d
The bit about not being able to take ammo home was. That only applies to government-subsidized ammo for target practice.
marsgoose
This is not true they are required to keep ammo at home. But it's aslo a monoculture and everyone gets trained on how to firearms.
Mojayokok
I’m glad somebody bothered to point this out as the NRA rabid fans try to only hold on to the left side as gospel, kudos to Switzerland dude
DimzD
What the point of guns if you can’t have ammo then? Lmao.
PastaMeCrazy
Handguns are the issue and most of those crimes are committed in urban areas.
Andalite
If we think real hard, we might be able to figure out what groups live in poor, urban areas that are known for committing crimes. Some of
Andalite
these groups even color code themselves, making it easier to find them.
ObamaLlama213
CRIP GANG
TunaBabyHippo
I'm interested to see if the spike in teen suicide and school schooling stats correlate with all the social media stuff used on voters. 1/2
TunaBabyHippo
I mean, we saw the riots, Russians went to jail for it, and they just discovered multiple versions have been used on the public since 08'
TunaBabyHippo
And, kids are more deeply saturated by social platforms more than any of us.
imonsei
Ban urban areas. Problem solved!!
jemem
This is similar to Canada. The US social policy stuff is a joke to us, Im afraid to say. You guys not having healthcare is a damn joke to us
TomatoMangler
clearly both of those women have weapons.. your statistics are pooey.
Whenlifegivesyoulemonsthrowthematpeople
It also help if you are ethnically homogenous.
6gunglenn5772
All we need is only 8 million citizens and a banking system that encourages large foreign accounts!
SitusInversus
That's not the whole issue. The US could vote for a welfare system, better schools and also put their guns away. But muh, freedom!
badmusicpuns
People love guns and violence. The "protect myself" is hypocritical.
TheMostSolidSnake
I work with a ton of Gun owners, the ONLY time they mention protection is when a shooting happens. Otherwise is bragging about parts.
Naternutts
That makes no sense. If you know people love violence, wouldn't you want to protect yourself from people? Like with, say, a gun?
GameDevSorcery
Lol yeah
badmusicpuns
Nope. Cause i don't like it.
Naternutts
Ah. Well, suit yourself.
swinny89
Step one: Don't have a massive population of poor uneducated people.
Techpriest93
Step two, tax the shit outta the poor! Or is that just Victoria 2?
flyingdutchfrenchman
No no no, you're supposed to tax the shit outta the rich, who won't even feel the difference in their morning massage routine.
Techpriest93
No u tax the poor, they won't even miss the money XD. U don't tax the rich so more people want to promote to rich strata!
xbxoxy
Shoutrr
step one: don't have a bunch of dude using fear and money to keep a massive population of uneducated people in check
TheDogEnd
Step two: Don't divide the poor, uneducated people into Red and Blue camps so they fight each other instead of those keeping them down
datphone777365
No no no. Step one is spending on infrastructure to allow for a high level of living like education and medical care specialy mental health.
thesmelge
Yeah, except when the President goes on about building infrastructure, what he means is "a really big pointless wall to my ego".
datphone777365
Gotta push the xenophobic agenda with an ineffective solution for those "uneducated people" he loves so much right? http://i.imgur.com/s2x
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thesmelge
We have that in the UK. Politicians blaming immigrants to promote Brexit, when it's their decades of defunding causing a lot of the problems
SmallMoneySalvia
Switzerland also has a better school system then America. O and a better prison system. It's like the people matter.
Zcarsnarl
And huuuuuge banking corporations
Naternutts
Yet America is the wealthiest and most powerful country on the world. Huh.
Xenarion
Lot like it's hard to beat.
GipCee
Maybe the US is just stuck with the people that don't
JOAP
Than*
FrancoUnAmerican
His proving is own point there. lol
JOAP
He's*
FrancoUnAmerican
and His/is damn Could I've been more wrong over this one ?
FrancoUnAmerican
hahahahahaha ohhh ffs, you're so right Hahahahaha but at least I can defend myself by saying i'm French ;) (damn)
WillSCakeWatcher
How unfortunate
AriMawati
the swiss do Most things right
SterlingDangerZoneArcher
The prison system won't change until we get of the bullshit 15th ammendment legalized slavery when incarcerated
HurkWurk
its almost like they have a really low population and high GDP as a nation or something.
WorldsSmallestMegaDick
#PuttingThatNaziGoldToWork
TunaBabyHippo
I think it has more to do with barriers to citizenship. They can control all those things mentioned, plus the culture.
thedunadain
America school system ranking gets beaten all the time by third world countries. Their gov likes to keep them stupid and easily manipulated.
Bukkhockey
This is in no way true. First define "third world country" and then show evidence their school system is superior to the U.S.
thedunadain
Look it up lmao us is ranked one of the worst worlds for public education and this is using a standardized test give at random over ze world
thedunadain
Worst countries in the world* the USA has one of the worst education systems Americans are dumb as hell lmao
KingLost
People matter?
Shoutrr
soilent green
Salmivalli
People are matter
KingLost
True?
sureasyourebornyourenevergoingtoseenounicorn
And better universal healthcare that covers mental health. All of this is a contributing factor
Sprinkleton
It's easier to have good things when your country has 97% fewer people in it to govern
marikesh
Here we demonstrate the lack of understanding of economies of scale and negotiating power.
LoudBirb
Not really, it's just a question of money, but the US's private healthcare system costs MORE per capita than Switzerland's.
Nerfection
Nope. This excuse is always raised and it makes no sense. More people to govern = more people to do the governing (a D pay taxes). It's fine
Sprinkleton
No. 33xthe people = vastly more beliefs, ideologies, and interests, ESPECIALLY in a country as culturally diverse as the U.S.
SmallMoneySalvia
With 33x more people we have 33x more money. That's a lazy thought. America is Capitalist. Public schools are a overhead.
BaconFuzz
And yet people from those vastly different ideologies/interests/cultures all want good HC/jobs/benefits and social security programs. So?
schlummi
That's why there are states and other regional goverments (towns etc.). Swiss has four offical languages, so there is diversity, too.
LurkerOfDarkness
There are not more ideologies, and all the religions are present in Switzerland too, but good governing doesn't mean you cater to their 1/?
Naternutts
My healthcare covers metal health. I have insurance through my job, like most Americans. And since we have the wealthiest middle class in 1/
Naternutts
2/ the world, really all you need is an average job and you're medical is covered. Especially since most hospitals have payment plan options
sureasyourebornyourenevergoingtoseenounicorn
That's just not true. I have a "middle class job" and it doesn't cover mental health, it has high deductible. Glad yours does, though
hartmonica
It’s almost like it’s easier to get people to agree and care for each when their whole country is the size of one US state :(
Zcarsnarl
Why is this downvoted? Its true. America would be better off if we brought government back down to the state and local levels.
Nietsallinav
Hey now, prisons are run by corps and corps are people too here in America.
SmallMoneySalvia
Jeb Bush handed over the first Privatized Prison in America when he was Gov. Fatalities rose, malnutrition was ramped, Reincarnation 67%
Muttons1337
Please clap.
ordazmic
I assume you meant reincarceration, but I laughed really hard when I thought Jeb waterhead bush unlocked Buddhist afterlife for prisoners
avestrainer
Also the word is actually recidivism
nakedasajaybird
Reincarnation? Dali Lama approved!
LurkerOfDarkness
And corporations are the only people the US govt. Cares about.
Zcarsnarl
And super strict immigration laws. It's extremely hard to become a Swiss citizen.
metalfoto
But hey the rifles are cool too
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Barkinsons
Economic collapse my ass
SwordsToTheSkyWeRideAtDawn
"Every bullet should cost $5,000"
dafawkudoin
Why? Your mom only cost $20 and look what she can do
GameDevSorcery
Can make em yourself pretty cheap, it's pretty easy
SwordsToTheSkyWeRideAtDawn
¨Chris Rock
ScrooblyDoobles
It is a bit funny, handgun ammo can cost around $100 per in Japan. They also have almost non existent gun death rates.
Frigididator
And a massive suicide rate.
LapisScarab
The suicide rate is high but gun suicides are virtually nonexistent, the vast majority are hangings.
attackofthequokka
don't need to pay the loans you took to buy bullets if you kill yourself
LapisScarab
...And? Did anybody thing gun control was going to make it impossible to die just in general?
LocalZoophile
True, but having a gun makes a momentary, passing decision, permanent. Not having a gun means quite a bit more time to reconsider.
LapisScarab
I know that, I'm wondering what this guy's comment has to do with anything. Japan's gun control makes gun suicides incredibly rare.
ScrooblyDoobles
Yeah, that’s linked to their insane work culture and social pressures. Can’t stop people from offing themselves if they really want to.
AtsaMattaForYou
But at least they can't use guns
LocalZoophile
True, but having a gun makes a momentary, passing decision, permanent. Not having a gun means quite a bit more time to reconsider.
Naternutts
Can't stop a psycho from killing kids if they really want to. Unless, of course, you put an armed person at the school.
Fedotia
Can stop a teen from murdering 17 students fairly easily.
Lefthandofgod
That's absolutely not true, the Swiss can keep ammunition at home.
Sansdurlannite
*partially not true
Barkinsons
Yeah he's referring to the govt-issued ammo. We used to get a small stash for free with our service rifle but not anymore. Reduces accidents
Bollramm
And yet there has never been "an accident"
Barkinsons
Accidcental discharges are common, suicide too, while actual gun violence is rare. Mostly because absolutely no one actually carries a gun
Bollramm
I've nevere heard of an accidental discharge outside the Army or a shooting range.
LincolnsVengeance
For hunting weapons only.
Shoutrr
and with a very controlled purchase procedure.
Assklowne
7.62 rounds, for example, can be used in both hunting rifles and Ak-47s. Also 223 Is a common hunting round for small game and is the round
Assklowne
Used in the infamous AR-15, and other armalite models.
LincolnsVengeance
Yea but the type of weapon you're shooting it out of us the important part.
Assklowne
What's the difference other than appearance
d0o0o0d
The difference between a hunting weapon and a military weapon is what you're shooting at, not the ammunition being used.
LincolnsVengeance
It's the type of weapon not the caliber. You completely missed the point.
d0o0o0d
The only difference is that the military model might have a full-auto option.
LincolnsVengeance
That depends on where you are. Switzerland doesn't allow it's citizens to own any rifle that has a military model or was military surplus.
LincolnsVengeance
With the exception of they're government issue weapons.
Assklowne
No i didn't you said you can keep ammunition for hunting but not self defense weapons but they often use the same rounds so if you had both
Assklowne
Firearms you have ammunition for each at home
KingDomino
So? .223 is fired by both the AR15 and Mini14, and I use one for hunting and the other for defense.
LincolnsVengeance
In Switzerland?
KingDomino
No, but I’m saying you can still use a hunting weapon/caliber of ammo for crime.
LincolnsVengeance
I get that but what America considers a hunting/sporting rifle is not what Switzerland considers a hunting/sporting rifle.