The beach attack was a blackflag operation to give IDF a motive to kill and invade in order to gain land and erase their neighbors. If theyre willing to kill innocent women and children, theyre willing to kill their own. It was as staged like when trump got "grazed" by a bullet in an attempted "assassination" - it was a pr stunt, with the press camera ready and an american flag waving with his fist up high. That fireman and gunman that died have new identities and millions of dollars now.
And due to how old the buildings of Gaza were? Much of it is rubble full of asbestos and other such materials. The few survivors will likely get cancer later in their lives.
If there was no problem for Israeli people and land I am 100% sure that Israhell would use a nuclear bomb to wipe out everything and everyone in Palestine.
They would not care a bit about the international opinion or morality of the action.
That view is just Hiroshima without radioactive fallout.
Now that it's basically a done deal, and they enabled it the whole way, they can finally show just a little tiny bit of the truth and act like they're the good guys.
We've seen aerial shots of the destruction over a year ago. This is very old news, but CNN didn't cover it then because it was Palestinians reporting it. Now that a white man says it we can take it seriously. And still not a word about the hundreds of reporters that were killed by Israel. CNN remained silent while their colleagues were assassinated.
Ah yes, the long debunked telegraph article. Do you trust all tabloid tales or just the ones that justify killing children?
As for the second link, they've catalogued every time somebody claims on 𝕏itter there's a tunnel? "The tweet did not specify the dimensions of the tunnel, its civilian or military significance, or its relation to known infrastructure or facilities" but they stuck it on the map and labeled it terrorist infrastructure anyway. Not exactly convincing.
Gosh... I wonder why a small percentage of them would become desperate enough to do that. Must be a "complex issue". Anyway... why not use it as a justification to decimate the entire group? /S I wonder how Nazis used to say FAFO when they were removing skin off of babies too. One day those you support as a hobby will turn on you.
I think this is going to follow the Jewish people for a long time. Perceptions have changed. It feels like all I ever see anymore are Jewish people murdering non-Jews and the Star of David flying over mass graves and concentration camps.
I'm trying not to lump them all together but then it turns out most every Jewish actor and entertainer you've ever known is a Zionist in favour of this shit!
The Jews of all people, perpetrators of a Holocaust? The world really is upside down.
I refuse to conflate Judaism with Zionism, but your point is certainly valid. All the Abrahamic religions are poisoned by those who would hide their evil greed behind their supposed "divine rights".
As a Palestinian, I’ve seen many Jewish people stand for Palestine. They literally march with us in demonstrations. Their voices are so loud and they’re so active. Someone of them even live in the occupied land. Some refuse to join the mandatory military service and end up in Israeli jail. Follow Jewish Voices For Peace on instagram. It’ll show you a whole other perspective. Judaism and Zionism are not the same thing.
The israelis marching in pro-palestinian marches are complicit in the genocide, despite their words and performative actions. They live, work and pay taxes in israel. They are functioning economic units who support the israeli state with their money and assets. If their actions were effective they would be stopped; they're ineffective which is why they are permitted. They personally benefit from israeli infrastructure, healthcare, social support and so on. They are complicit.
An israeli who has seen the light, and I understand this to mean that they have realised the full meaning of being complicit in the oppression, ethic cleansing, genocide and so on, should be supported to take full responsibility for their part. Publicly admit that they have benefitted, and continue to benefit, from the situation. Publicly submit to an investigation of their involvement. Be supported to leave israel, sell all assets, and emmigrate. Supported to feel shame.
Okay, but as a gay man myself, is it reasonable for me to expect all straight people to publicly admit that they've benefited from a homophobic system? That they continue to benefit? To expect them to be publicly investigated for any homophobic tweets or jokes or the like?
Do you understand what I'm getting at? What you want isn't feasible, and you surely know it.
Yeah, this will probably have longterm consequences. Imho is a friend going to warn you, if you do something wrong. Is critizing you. An enemy will not do this. If you head for a car crash a friend will tell you to slow down, an enemy will stay silent or even encourage you to keep your speed. To me this seems to be "Netanyahu tries to appear as a tough guy" - so he can stay in power. If people will really keep in mind that many isrealis opposed Netanyahu? Or are these "nuances" that will get
lost? Usually we all stick with more simplified views. Especially if a topic is not a huge hobby of yours - and/or if you only know it from history books. We also need to keep in mind that most of us are from western nations and on the more "pro isreal" side, anyway. Views in other countries are already different. Or see german speaking groups that still sometimes get mocked in other countries with a hitler salute. It also gets worse when there are conflicts or some kind of crisis. E.g. german
politicans (merkel) got pictured as hitler/nazis during the financial/debt crisis of greece. Russians probably will face the same for war in ukraine - and Isreal (and jews), too. Even by friendly nations. This mess will also make it difficult to (locally) justify support for isreal in the future. Isreal might be currently economically and militarily be strong enough - but whats in 20 or 50 or 100 years? Especially if the US shifts its focus on a conflict with e.g. china? Or if americans vote
against politicans that openly support isreal? Or if the US focus shifts to internal issues or to the conflict with china? I am concerned that isreal won't survive on its own longterm. Especially if relations to its neighbours stay as "difficult" as currently. But if the local populations see gaza: politicans in egypt etc. might have a hard time to justify friendly cooperation with isreal. So: I see there enormous risks. Risks which might threaten the existance of isreal in the future. Risks
taken so a "controversial" politican can appease the even more extreme right wing and stay in power. Combined with dehumanizing - sometimes pretty much nazi - rhethorics. I see there no exist strategy. No path to a friendly, mutual relationship which allows isreal and palestine both to live in peace and prosperity. Rabin might have been the last "real" attempt, 30 years ago. Population in gaza is 18 on average. As said: this is not only a problem for palestinians - is a huge risk for
"Israeli" is the word you're looking for. Jewish people who don't live in that ethno-state are just as appalled at this as the rest of us... The ones who aren't also unhinged Zionists, anyway.
Unfortunately, while you are 100% correct that Judaism and Zionism are two different, though connected, things, statistically you are very incorrect that the majority Jewish opinion outside of Israel is anti-Zionist. In reality, the stats show that the majority of Jewish populations worldwide SUPPORT Israel, even if they feel shame for what it's doing. Britain, for example, is 72% support but only 52% feel shame for its actions. Only small, ultra-orthodox temples like the Haredi denounce Zionism
I understand the desire to not conflate the two, but this genocide is being committed by the Jewish people. They have a star of David emblazoned on their flag and are committing their war crimes to build an ethnostate for the Jewish people to live in.
This is them. The Jews. They are the people responsible for the genocide. That's not antisemitic, because it's true. We don't need to hide behind 'Israeli'. We're all adults here, we can just say the Jews are committing genocide. Because they are.
They're probably not in the army, which is my point. Only the Jewish population are conscripted because you don't give guns and military training to the people you're oppressing. Israel doesn't even grant the right of self determination to non-Jews.
Saying Israel or Israeli paints a false picture that the perpetrators are multicultural. But they're not. It's the Jews. They kill or displace as many non-Jews as they can, and oppress the survivors to ensure Jewish primacy.
That's exactly what Israel wants people to think and say. If you can not separate the actions of the Israeli state for the Jewish faith they have won. By doing this any opposition to their war crimes is labeled as antisemitic. This is by design and in fact makes Jews worldwide less safe and increases antisemitism. Jews are not a monolith just like Muslims are not all extremists but in many countries Islamophobia is considered normal
Saying Israel or Israeli implies that this is one country doing this, and not one people. They don't conscript non-Jews, and in fact brutally oppress them. Even when you say Israeli I know you don't mean the oppressed Israelis - the Arabs and Muslims. You mean the Jews, you just don't want to say it. You're afraid you would look antisemitic.
Poor Mohammed and his family, harassed at military checkpoints and trapped on the losing end of apartheid aren't responsible.
No. Israel is committing genocide. A disgustingly large percentage of Jews worldwide may support that genocide but they are not the ones committing it any more than evangelical christian, people over 65, or any other demographic where the majority support are committing it.
The German people took collective responsibility after the war, and didn't shy away from acknowledging what they'd done.
If Israel disappeared tomorrow, do you think diaspora Jews, who overwhelmingly support Israel, would take any kind of responsibility for what happened? Do you think they'd teach about Israel as a bad thing or a good thing? Do you think they'd even acknowledge the genocide, or is that conveniently not them, while everything else Israel did was them?
25% of the Israeli population are not Jewish. That population is not subject to conscription and lives under constant brutal oppression. But they're considered to be Israeli. And those are the non-Jews who Israel begrudgingly granted citizenship to.
I understand why you prefer to say Israeli. But it's unfair to lay blame at every Israeli's feet, because only one demographic is doing the oppressing. And it's not antisemitic to use their name. It's not one country doing this, it's one people.
BobisBobIsHimIsMe
The moon sees all
Festerboob
He didn't mention israel once. He could've said "look at what israel has done".
CatEyebrows
tinyCabbage
Fuck israel, evil fucking bastards
5ynic
https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2024/6/18/israeli-politician-quotes-hitler-talks-of-wiping-out-gaza
RootMeanSqr
Isreals final solution.
EchoDelta141
The beach attack was a blackflag operation to give IDF a motive to kill and invade in order to gain land and erase their neighbors. If theyre willing to kill innocent women and children, theyre willing to kill their own. It was as staged like when trump got "grazed" by a bullet in an attempted "assassination" - it was a pr stunt, with the press camera ready and an american flag waving with his fist up high. That fireman and gunman that died have new identities and millions of dollars now.
Sickpup666
Fuck Israel, free Palestine
YourCatPower
aren't them being freed 1 bomb at a time ??
n3ckr0mantic
We are all complicit. We didnt do enough, we are a party to this : (
LaughingMan2Gig
blah1blah1blah1
Stunning??? You mean devastating!
melmboundanddown
I feel it's time to release the hostages
TodayInSA
Yes, absolutely. Remove the guards, dismantle the walls around the open air prison.
melmboundanddown
Egypt could but they decided to build a second wall instead. The Egyptians are smart.
scubaslayer115
thisuserisafk
Wiped off the earth, literally....
TheFastpaws
And due to how old the buildings of Gaza were? Much of it is rubble full of asbestos and other such materials. The few survivors will likely get cancer later in their lives.
ABotImNot
So much evidence of war crimes!
Toetag1
Damn, prime example of Fk around and find out.
The way they killed the Israelis on Oct...smh
schlummi
Nazis eradicated whole villages if they supported resistance fighters.
lalalalsblablabal
Yup. They executed once 100 elementary school pupils, in Yugoslavia, as a revenge for resistance assassinating 1 Nazi officer.
pr3viso
Mr Hitler said he had a justification: Lebensraum. How well Israel learned.
5ynic
https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2024/6/18/israeli-politician-quotes-hitler-talks-of-wiping-out-gaza
lonelyrangerofthedreams
If there was no problem for Israeli people and land I am 100% sure that Israhell would use a nuclear bomb to wipe out everything and everyone in Palestine.
They would not care a bit about the international opinion or morality of the action.
That view is just Hiroshima without radioactive fallout.
Indeedwearethedead
Damn, Israel. You suck.
YouRadicalizedMe
Nuke em
wadatahmydamie
I no longer think they have a right to exist. Not until Netanyahu and every other nationalist is deposed.
proxyinitiative
They will do that after the genocide and be like "we're better now" but they supported it the whole time
ExplodingPortaPotty
Surprised CNN had the balls to show something like this. Isn't the current CEO Pro-Israel?
FukcTedCruz
He also donated to Trump's campaign
krill3
Though notice the voice is pretty passive and doesn't assign blame, yeah it's pretty obvious who's to blame for most people, but not all.
gayvillian
Now that it's basically a done deal, and they enabled it the whole way, they can finally show just a little tiny bit of the truth and act like they're the good guys.
SquirtVonnegut
We've seen aerial shots of the destruction over a year ago. This is very old news, but CNN didn't cover it then because it was Palestinians reporting it. Now that a white man says it we can take it seriously. And still not a word about the hundreds of reporters that were killed by Israel. CNN remained silent while their colleagues were assassinated.
OhIfIMust
They're being obliterated just to steal their prime ocean-front real estate.
cepacolusmaximus
🌏👨🚀🔫👨🚀
diemajorthrilldie
That and keeping Netanyahu from facing impendnig 'court appointments'.
NinjaCongo
Netanyahu should be hanged upside down, like Mussolini.
ugopb4me
And off shore oil reserves, more than Saudi Arabia I heard.
malakim
That'd ruin the view on the Trump holiday resort though
YourCatPower
nah, they used the money to dig tunnel and retrieve the pipe underground to build bomb, they fofa for goods this time hopefully
inboxmefoxes
Nobody will remember you.
thisisnotfineffs
Entirely incoherent
LostCaterpillar
You got a source on that? No? Didn't think so.
YourCatPower
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/w">kets/">https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/eu-funded-water-pipelines-hamas-rockets/
https://tunnels.honestreporting.com/
LostCaterpillar
Ah yes, the long debunked telegraph article. Do you trust all tabloid tales or just the ones that justify killing children?
As for the second link, they've catalogued every time somebody claims on 𝕏itter there's a tunnel?
"The tweet did not specify the dimensions of the tunnel, its civilian or military significance, or its relation to known infrastructure or facilities" but they stuck it on the map and labeled it terrorist infrastructure anyway. Not exactly convincing.
ChewyTheWookie
Gosh... I wonder why a small percentage of them would become desperate enough to do that. Must be a "complex issue". Anyway... why not use it as a justification to decimate the entire group? /S I wonder how Nazis used to say FAFO when they were removing skin off of babies too. One day those you support as a hobby will turn on you.
DefinitelyaHumanNotanAlien
I think this is going to follow the Jewish people for a long time. Perceptions have changed. It feels like all I ever see anymore are Jewish people murdering non-Jews and the Star of David flying over mass graves and concentration camps.
I'm trying not to lump them all together but then it turns out most every Jewish actor and entertainer you've ever known is a Zionist in favour of this shit!
The Jews of all people, perpetrators of a Holocaust? The world really is upside down.
tonehoundsmoser9
I refuse to conflate Judaism with Zionism, but your point is certainly valid. All the Abrahamic religions are poisoned by those who would hide their evil greed behind their supposed "divine rights".
YELLOWnotYELLOW
As a Palestinian, I’ve seen many Jewish people stand for Palestine. They literally march with us in demonstrations. Their voices are so loud and they’re so active. Someone of them even live in the occupied land. Some refuse to join the mandatory military service and end up in Israeli jail. Follow Jewish Voices For Peace on instagram. It’ll show you a whole other perspective. Judaism and Zionism are not the same thing.
DefinitelyaHumanNotanAlien
Thank you. Yours is a voice I've long needed to hear.
Festerboob
The israelis marching in pro-palestinian marches are complicit in the genocide, despite their words and performative actions. They live, work and pay taxes in israel. They are functioning economic units who support the israeli state with their money and assets. If their actions were effective they would be stopped; they're ineffective which is why they are permitted. They personally benefit from israeli infrastructure, healthcare, social support and so on. They are complicit.
howwouldyoudescribeyourself
Then all the liberals in America are complicit in Trump gaining power as well?
DefinitelyaHumanNotanAlien
Not untrue, but any Israeli who has seen the light deserves support. Not to be hounded because they once did a paper round in Israel.
Festerboob
An israeli who has seen the light, and I understand this to mean that they have realised the full meaning of being complicit in the oppression, ethic cleansing, genocide and so on, should be supported to take full responsibility for their part. Publicly admit that they have benefitted, and continue to benefit, from the situation. Publicly submit to an investigation of their involvement. Be supported to leave israel, sell all assets, and emmigrate. Supported to feel shame.
DefinitelyaHumanNotanAlien
Okay, but as a gay man myself, is it reasonable for me to expect all straight people to publicly admit that they've benefited from a homophobic system? That they continue to benefit? To expect them to be publicly investigated for any homophobic tweets or jokes or the like?
Do you understand what I'm getting at? What you want isn't feasible, and you surely know it.
schlummi
Yeah, this will probably have longterm consequences. Imho is a friend going to warn you, if you do something wrong. Is critizing you. An enemy will not do this. If you head for a car crash a friend will tell you to slow down, an enemy will stay silent or even encourage you to keep your speed. To me this seems to be "Netanyahu tries to appear as a tough guy" - so he can stay in power. If people will really keep in mind that many isrealis opposed Netanyahu? Or are these "nuances" that will get
schlummi
lost? Usually we all stick with more simplified views. Especially if a topic is not a huge hobby of yours - and/or if you only know it from history books. We also need to keep in mind that most of us are from western nations and on the more "pro isreal" side, anyway. Views in other countries are already different. Or see german speaking groups that still sometimes get mocked in other countries with a hitler salute. It also gets worse when there are conflicts or some kind of crisis. E.g. german
schlummi
politicans (merkel) got pictured as hitler/nazis during the financial/debt crisis of greece. Russians probably will face the same for war in ukraine - and Isreal (and jews), too. Even by friendly nations. This mess will also make it difficult to (locally) justify support for isreal in the future. Isreal might be currently economically and militarily be strong enough - but whats in 20 or 50 or 100 years? Especially if the US shifts its focus on a conflict with e.g. china? Or if americans vote
schlummi
against politicans that openly support isreal? Or if the US focus shifts to internal issues or to the conflict with china? I am concerned that isreal won't survive on its own longterm. Especially if relations to its neighbours stay as "difficult" as currently. But if the local populations see gaza: politicans in egypt etc. might have a hard time to justify friendly cooperation with isreal. So: I see there enormous risks. Risks which might threaten the existance of isreal in the future. Risks
schlummi
taken so a "controversial" politican can appease the even more extreme right wing and stay in power. Combined with dehumanizing - sometimes pretty much nazi - rhethorics. I see there no exist strategy. No path to a friendly, mutual relationship which allows isreal and palestine both to live in peace and prosperity. Rabin might have been the last "real" attempt, 30 years ago. Population in gaza is 18 on average. As said: this is not only a problem for palestinians - is a huge risk for
medimr
"Israeli" is the word you're looking for. Jewish people who don't live in that ethno-state are just as appalled at this as the rest of us... The ones who aren't also unhinged Zionists, anyway.
TheMilliner
Unfortunately, while you are 100% correct that Judaism and Zionism are two different, though connected, things, statistically you are very incorrect that the majority Jewish opinion outside of Israel is anti-Zionist. In reality, the stats show that the majority of Jewish populations worldwide SUPPORT Israel, even if they feel shame for what it's doing. Britain, for example, is 72% support but only 52% feel shame for its actions. Only small, ultra-orthodox temples like the Haredi denounce Zionism
DefinitelyaHumanNotanAlien
I understand the desire to not conflate the two, but this genocide is being committed by the Jewish people. They have a star of David emblazoned on their flag and are committing their war crimes to build an ethnostate for the Jewish people to live in.
This is them. The Jews. They are the people responsible for the genocide. That's not antisemitic, because it's true. We don't need to hide behind 'Israeli'. We're all adults here, we can just say the Jews are committing genocide. Because they are.
thisisnotfineffs
I know lots of Jews who vehemently oppose the genocide, stop making anti-semites pushing their bigotry easier for fucks sake
BubblegumPinkSoda
So what about the 20% of the Israeli population that is Muslim?
DefinitelyaHumanNotanAlien
They're probably not in the army, which is my point. Only the Jewish population are conscripted because you don't give guns and military training to the people you're oppressing. Israel doesn't even grant the right of self determination to non-Jews.
Saying Israel or Israeli paints a false picture that the perpetrators are multicultural. But they're not. It's the Jews. They kill or displace as many non-Jews as they can, and oppress the survivors to ensure Jewish primacy.
BubblegumPinkSoda
https://www.timesofisrael.com/taboo-of-arabs-in-the-idf-is-slowly-crumbling-says-first-muslim-non-bedouin-officer/
LaughingMan2Gig
That's exactly what Israel wants people to think and say. If you can not separate the actions of the Israeli state for the Jewish faith they have won. By doing this any opposition to their war crimes is labeled as antisemitic. This is by design and in fact makes Jews worldwide less safe and increases antisemitism. Jews are not a monolith just like Muslims are not all extremists but in many countries Islamophobia is considered normal
DefinitelyaHumanNotanAlien
Saying Israel or Israeli implies that this is one country doing this, and not one people. They don't conscript non-Jews, and in fact brutally oppress them. Even when you say Israeli I know you don't mean the oppressed Israelis - the Arabs and Muslims. You mean the Jews, you just don't want to say it. You're afraid you would look antisemitic.
Poor Mohammed and his family, harassed at military checkpoints and trapped on the losing end of apartheid aren't responsible.
The Jews are.
BubblegumPinkSoda
Have you ever been there? Because you’re very matter of fact about things that are just blatantly untrue.
LostCaterpillar
No. Israel is committing genocide. A disgustingly large percentage of Jews worldwide may support that genocide but they are not the ones committing it any more than evangelical christian, people over 65, or any other demographic where the majority support are committing it.
DefinitelyaHumanNotanAlien
The German people took collective responsibility after the war, and didn't shy away from acknowledging what they'd done.
If Israel disappeared tomorrow, do you think diaspora Jews, who overwhelmingly support Israel, would take any kind of responsibility for what happened? Do you think they'd teach about Israel as a bad thing or a good thing? Do you think they'd even acknowledge the genocide, or is that conveniently not them, while everything else Israel did was them?
DefinitelyaHumanNotanAlien
25% of the Israeli population are not Jewish. That population is not subject to conscription and lives under constant brutal oppression. But they're considered to be Israeli. And those are the non-Jews who Israel begrudgingly granted citizenship to.
I understand why you prefer to say Israeli. But it's unfair to lay blame at every Israeli's feet, because only one demographic is doing the oppressing. And it's not antisemitic to use their name. It's not one country doing this, it's one people.
LostCaterpillar
Again, No. I said Israel. The state. Israel is committing genocide.
Fuck off with your antisemitic bullshit.