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peddroelm
“It’s one small step for a grain one giant leap for silo’s” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1HA9LlFNM0
givemyrighteye
AccordingToYourMom
WorshipTheSun
Haha
TehMightyEngineer
Neil and Jean both commented after this interview that they felt 60 Minutes got their quotes highly out of context. They supported SpaceX.
Vaanhalen
60 minutes has always been yellow journalism and deceptive edits as lies. Look up their wikipedia. It's awful. They're not news.
ParanoydAndroid
To be fair, apparently Musk took the comments in the same light as 60 minutes.
NotEven0nce
First time he had heard them maybe? If they were presented to him in the wrong context originally then ofc he misunderstood them.
SpaceRunner1
What's the background music? The piano at the start of the video? I've heard it so many times before, maybe sped up...
curseyoursudenbutinevitablebetrayal
I think it's from Pixars UP
TheCrassAndTheFurious
We're all in agreement that Elon Musk is a tool right ? Like a "name my kid weird" total tool ?
braindrill
Personally, I wouldn’t go into space. I do admire Elon’s dreams and success in making it happen. That’s an incredible thing.
WoodyGoodman
Props for big plans; but, before we joyride the stars maybe we'd get our house in order first? Otherwise we track dogshit along w/ us
GhostTater
Ol Musky be like:
wildcrab
can someone explain what was bad about elon musk? i was late to the topic and never figured it out
The Wokies only like you if your politics, personal views, work habits, and priorities are identical to theirs.
Not sure either, I suspect it's money made in apartheid South Africa, he makes things for the wealthy, he doesn't care about the rest of us.
jdasler
I can't stand unnecessarily heavy-handed shit like this. So forced.
mixelpixx
New EmoteCHiP working correctly now. Hope Zuck gets the Upgrade, thats one creepy democracy destroying android
McMeowenstein
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Comet260
Yet his employees can be canned for using pot, correct?
MediaBiasCheckerFanboy
Elon got into some big shit for this. I think he had to step down from his position at SpaceX to keep some government contracts
No idea.
CanaDo
Proof that government is inefficient
kwyjiboner
Musk is a trash human, treats other people like assets/liabilities instead of humans.
BeePill
But America is in love with its billionaires.
*new masters
bmorgan1940
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/71/0b/b1/710bb12e8f4e376003e9e2762246b2ff.jpg
morgan0073
I think this pandemic proves that we all are expendable and if only a few die, it well worth the risk for their bottom line.
paintingagency
So... he's a standard billionaire then.
SchrodingersDictator
Does being worried the species is going to exterminate itself justify being an asshole? Musk feels that we don’t have long to make sure
We live past this century. He feels an urgency to combat the existential threats as hard and fast as he can. This leads to assholish action.
ImNotRacistBut
If he truly believes humanity's existence is on the clock, why does he waste so much time on twitter calling people pedophiles?
And that’s a pretty bad straw man.
Because he’s still human. I hate many of the things he’s said and done. But I have the grace to recognize someone with far reaching vision.
A vision of calling people pedophiles, maybe.
You could argue that the "extinction" is a symptom of capitalism, a system that Musk embraces.
Only one form of the extrication is capitalism. There’s also being on a single planet and the potential for rogue ai. Arguably more final
than a bad financial system that promotes global warming. Which he’s also fighting by making people innovate on electric cars and the
underlying infrastructure.
PythonIndentAwwwYiss
Wait, do we like him again now?
imgureg
'Ol Musky is still a jerk
ProfessorChaos
You're actually allowed to evaluate the evidence and formulate your own unique opinion. Crazy, I know. I get what you mean tho.
Evercrimson
He's still an imperialist venture capitalist chasing the almighty dollar and doesn't care who gets in his way or who gets hurt getting there
SoggyWheatbiks
Fuck this binary thinking mob mentality, why do we have to flip like this? How about he's a human, who does some great and some shit stuff.
YourfavouriteAsian
Is he now? Well idk why u say it, but he did solve a fuck ton of problems and is striving to solve more humanitys problems which isnt someth
Something you can say about a lot of people: to mention some of the things i super value (He is going all in with electric cars, space explo
Exploration, and cheap accesible connectivity in the whole earth with starlink.. idk about you but i do hope he achieves this things
If he gets money doing so, idc, since it will help a lot of people and also is striving to make us go further as humans.
Pronak
I have friends from Nicaragua, Chile and Argentina. His stance about coup d'etat was shocking for me and really disgusting (1)
When you know what happened during those dictatorships. It's infuriating for me.
Hey ghere im from argentina, what was his stance? All i found in a quick google: is a twitter reply saying: "we will coup whoever we want"
Or something close to that.. but its most likely joking given the context
LumpWithaLeafHat
He's a mixed bag of a person with hella money. Most of us are weirdos & screw-ups. Lots of us are mean. Giving us money wouldn't change it.
Turambar400
People are complex. It's natural to have complex feelings about them.
GiggleFury
As someone who loves him, there’s a lot he does wrong. Gotta weigh the pros and cons and see for yourself if he has a good overall impact.
Redshadow09
Nope I used to but he hates the poor and thinks they shouldnt get another stimulus check while he pockes all the money so FUCK HIM!
cepacolusmaximus
Well, he's about the only Billionaire doing something other than stuffing cash into their holdings in Grand Cayman, so by comparison, yeah.
metroidmayhem
While I wish he didn't do some things he has I still respect him for all he's doing. If he wasn't pushing space travel no one would be
Aathas
"Armstrong wrote a strongly worded letter to 60 Minutes saying that he was taken out of context. The program editor agreed"
rtgensler11
TV, news included is mostly bullshit clickbait. I never know what to believe anymore.
Rafter1611
He wrote it after he died? That's incredible!!
notashill
the media took some people out of context? I hope this is a one time thing and wont happen again.
dessertcake
Some narratives just annoy me
Notme68
How old is this? Armstrong died like 8 years ago.
NotABadLookingNarcissist
Not defending 60 minutes here, but it sounds like Musk heard Armstrong’s words and came to the same conclusion.
Deadmanwalkn
He might've just seen the media's report of his words
Sankrew
Or was given the questions for the interview ahead if time.
TheGhostOfFutureDisappointments
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/7547788856
leadman112b42
I would of loving to see Elon's reaction to that gift
Floridaguysmyfirstcousin
Thank you both.
Skynet2xx
This makes me so happy, thanks for sharing.
zipfel73m
as hard as it may sound for those former heroes, he is the hero of space exploration now. they are history. elon is the future.
QuiteHugeMegaPlusUltra
Mmm no. There are reasons why sci-fi utopias don't really work. Space is harder than people realize, and economic warfare is absurd at that
scale. I understand Neil's vision of the Cosmos as something more than a colonizers or a capitalist wet dream. Space is for science.
With commercialization of space travel, it'll be easier for scientist to study space. Elon is making space travel affordable...
madbydesign
The way Elon is developing it? You mean his team of engineers and scientists. Let's give credit where credit is due. s/
WalterJrsFatC0ck
Do his team of engineers and scientist find the research? He’s hardly the first person to expect results from an investment.
charlie2979
Most of the research was publicly funded. Hes standing on the shoulder of work done before.
Literally every visionary did that. Why does musk get a bad rap for it?
How many "visionaries" get billions in government handouts to fund their vanity projects?
He's a billionaire. He shouldn't exist, his biggest achievement is investing in existing companies.
EphemeralEternity
Elon is eccentric. But he is hardly robotic. The man feels, and you can see it. Sure he's rich, but he's trying to make something awesome
He even realizes he might never get to walk on Mars, yet his work might mean his children or grandchildren might. Way better hopes than-
- ten years ago when Nasa was being stripped down and given up on ever leaving earth. The feelings he must have to hear those words --
"Your idols. Your inspirational heroes. They don't belive in you." Its like being told that your every effort has been for naught.
SeanBeanDiesAlot
Annnd then he went off the deep end on twitter over, and over, and over again
SonderingStrike
Damn, Elon really is an upgrade to Zuck, could barely even hear his hard drive spinning up to access emotions.exe
protools1983
Elon is likely an SSD
desolatorx
RexMori
"Should I call Niel Armstrong a pedophile?"
TheBasementNerd
Or he's actually sad, that's also an option
IHaveAForest
Exactly. People can have emotions and be questionable! Theyre not mutually exclusive.
But the Zuck is happy now
BoomerTiro
Elon is a cyborg, not an android. Born human and an upgrade from that.
JackBurton777
mstalltree
Zuck used movie robots from the 1960s to learn behavior. Musk has been using robot movies from the 90s-2000s
nirbo
I never thought eugenics would lead to a better robot. Musk’s dad was an awful awful visionary. /mostly/s
MandrewJackson
I feel like I've mostly seen clips of him being overly emotional.
Rifneno
Musk: Imguretards: Aww poor Elon.
I don't think anyone here is remotely saying that
BannedAcc1
I lost respect for him, seeing how he how's l views this pandemic
SiirPounce
Someone call the ambalam!
graft
https://imgur.com/khqCrf8
in a nutshell
fennecbutt
Except you're spreading fake news. Elon made follow up tweets after his initial one was taken out of context.
It may be hypocrite to receive those payments. But id be moronic to not apply to "free money" given by your gov...
If you consider the huge cost it brings to give those stimulus packages, you cannot be certain or rather itd be super risky to say that
The stimulus will bring a positive outcome in the long term. The regulations to the last one from what i read where horrible.
So elon is just being honest and receiving money, he shouldnt be able to get in the first place (remember lots of similar people are doing
donkeymoney
Poooor Ol' Musky
mizcs
apollo1kitten1
Asadsadsadclown
Normally I would agree. But this. This is personal.
The ultra wealthy just have it so dang rough!
Revan1138
Appropriate meme. But I still don't like the idea that rich people aren't allowed to be sad. That they should continuously be happy because
Soufange
I'd still be depressed if I were a billionaire, you just wouldn't notice cuz I'd go in my secret panic room and cry after happily shopping.
insifer
Ill care when they put their sadness into my bank account
Is not about they being able or not to be sad. Is about the rejoice of some being sad after gaining so much by exploitation of others
CrashInfinite
What do you mean rich people aren't allowed to be sad? They can be sad like the rest of us. Off camera.
they have a load of wherewithal.
The problem comes when they are so incredibly rich they detach from reality. I cant expend the emotional effort to feel sorry for someone,
that lacks the ability to empathize with me on even the most basic level. This is something personal to him and it shows hes still human.
I can empathize with him. VS his ultra rich brethren that are full "let them eat cake" mode. Guillotine time.
Being sad because a dream wasn't shared by others is just one of the things poor people are sad of.The comparison is grotesque at that point
He will never be sad because he and his family and friends are at constant danger to die with no health insurance, having to accept
degrading jobs where they're exploited to the limits of mental stability, with the constant threat of having so little resources as to
be close to hunger. Being sad because of a dream is a luxury on itself. But yeah I agree, they can be sad also.
StanleyTucciSaysOHSHlT
Wealthy or not, in the moment, that was a man who thought his heros were critical of something he was doing in their honor. Soul crushing...
godtje
Must hand it to the guy, crazy-ass motherf^%&, but he gets shit done!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
chefsoda
Elon doesn't get it though. They aren't objecting to the technology, which they probably love, their issue is one man controlling it.
AvianFox
Bezos, the man who controls everything else is also involved in space tech tho!
bripi
What kind of BULLSHIT is that? They "object" to the guy with the best idea?? If it were NASA, they'd fucking LOVE it!!
BrotherEstapol
I think if you read this you'll change your mind: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/7547788856
skyblade22
Elon always encourages competition, in fact one of his goals is to inspire competition to try and beat him
InspiredForestRaptor
How he controls it.
TibbzIG
Elon isn't really stopping anyone else from doing the same though. Richard Branson decided to go down that route for a bit and kinda gave up
Not being *insanely* wealthy is stopping almost everyone. You might also need to be a genius...that one's not as clear.
dbba
Wealth and a dose of luck and narcissism is probably all you need
That can be said for anything though... What's stoping gates. Or Mr. Amazon. They have more wealth and could probably gather better resource
Nothing is stopping them, they just choose not to. Plus Elon has the knowledge base
Exactly my point
TheWhiteBarry
Exactly, people are really just upset that no one can win as hard as Elon does. He demands engineers take a first principles approach and 1/
will fire people for not innovating enough. In contrast if you try to innovate in most major corps you get fired for breaking protocol
DarkUranium
If SpaceX is anything like Tesla, then I doubt this is true.
Then you obviously have no clue how Tesla is being run. Sandy Munro will explain it to you if you'll listen. https://youtu.be/9l6DPwKHWpY
Not sure it's Elon they dislike. It's more that privatizing space means both the public loses control & public science funding gets cut
AnAccountToPostThis
NASA is a worthless husk and i would much rather have private companies take over. We're already seeing how much faster and better it is.
causality
As if the public has even the slightest whiff of control over NASA. Senate Launch System, anyone?
FriendlyNeighborhoodLoner
this
Neurisko
And the NASA budget is tiny compared to what privatized companies could do. We need competition & quick iteration, not gov't pork.
FussyZeus
It's almost like if you don't give NASA money, like Elon gives Space X, they can't do things.
Musk vs Branson etc will get us to Mars and the asteroid belt; valuable resources aplenty. NASA *might* get us to the Moon again.
zenoshogun
Conversely if a committee running SpaceX they would probably still be trying to decide if they were going to use solid/liquid rockets..
Dusseldwarf
What a silly notion. A liquid rocket would melt before it even got off the runway.
That sounds like Salvador Dali's space program.
Tsumino79
yeah but those are not the full quotes and its all out of context armstrong wrote a strong letter about it
tomattow
All the work the x team does is pretty well communicated with NASA, and must be approved.
Khrome
Like.... the president?
stabby506
What if I told you about a government agency for space tech + exploration, it's underfunded and getting their asses kicked by private indust
JamesFaction
Lol. Musk says a lot of things I don't like, and there are questions about how he treats his staff. But he's keen on getting to Mars...
vaccinessavelivesperiod
He wants to shape Mars as his own personal planet.
idontenglishsorry
I dont understand why people think that a person has to be likable in a context and be likable in other context, he treats his staff 1/2
like shit? ok, he has some point if views you disagree with? ok. That doesnt mean that his goal is wrong, he is very keen on getting to2/3
Mars, THAT IS GOOD, he realeased his Tesla patent or whatev shit some years ago, THAT WAS GOOD, even if it was so the electric cars 3/4
was more common and he would make a profit out of it, it was good for society. He should be condemned by what he does wrong but also4/5
he has to receive credit where credit is due. You cant just be like "he DOES this, I DONT LIKE HIM, HE BAD, BAD MAN, HE SHOULD STOP!!!!" 5/6
blathergram
Not for me, they want to put us in mines to milk and make jokes!
MrLurkerMcGurker
Honestly he gets shitty and crazy I think he just needs sleep, dude works like 100 hours/week and sleeps at his factories
MrTay
A lot of times I come to find out it’s one tweet in a thread or something taken out of context. Not always but he definitely is smeared. 1/
It became constant when he told some investors to F off if they don’t have faith. When he interviewed a small share holder that had interest
PorneliusHubertII
I try to judge people more on their actions than some stupid thing they said. Even good people have their bad moments.
DoubleNubbin
For most people that is the best way to go, but someone with that much influence can do a lot of damage with what they say.
bwingnut139000
I wish I could up vote this comment a lot more. You? You’re human. Need more of YOU.
KinetoPlay
Saying something, especially on Twitter with a huge following, is an action.
TechnicallyRight
lol you think he sleeps.
fightkostka6
yes on the fucking floor in factories, htere is i think a photo of him sleeping in tesla factory
dannne
Dude just want to go home.
SonOfSeinfeld
Lol
JReene
After this year, I say he has a point now.
Crimesawastin
SpaceX is putting up the Starlink constellation. It's going to break up the telecom monopoly in the US. It's. Fucking. Important.
miklethertrac
Saw him speak at trade show, said he wanted to be the first commercial LEO constellation that doesn’t go bankrupt
I'm glad. Those bloated ticks need to be purged so innovation and advancement can happen.
They'll still be around. They'll just have to offer uh, competitive prices or some kind of customer service.
lordcirth
I signed up for the beta (I'm in Canada). Impatiently waiting. I have very bad DSL.
metalheadmafia
Most people of high intelligence are often very abrasive.
nutjob2
You're an idiot! Oh, sorry about that, it's just that I'm so bloody smart.
SpikeMarshall
Most people who pride themselves on their high intelligence are often abrasive.
Yeah that's a better way of putting it for sure.
I've worked with PHDs and Clinical Directors with amazing soft skills and some who were just conceited jerks
jetflight
The short answer, frankly, is that the old guard is wrong. Commercial space flight is the best thing happening right now. We need MORE of it
Solomon13
Agreed. Competition breeds excellence.
Ewraith
Or we could fund it publicly instead of the almost 800 billion a year to the MIC. It needs to happen but it being gatekept by the 1% is bad.
SteelTech
The problem with publicly funded is the gov't. They have made it intentionally inefficient in how it handles those funds.
WillemHellfire
MIC?
Military industrial complex.
Thank you. :)
Nasas budget is a 35th of what America spends on imperialism to keep the MIC chugging along for profit. It doesn't have to be that way.
blankunderscore
SpaceX is set to deliver cargo and put people into space at 1.3% of the cost that it takes for NASA to complete the same task. Your thoughts
Your assumption that nasa is full of invalids who can't engineer as well is dimwitted. Spacex was built on the shoulders of mountains.
Been ironed out already. So they can hoover up profit without having to spend the money thr public alrwady did.
As is always the case with the public to private pipeline. Public does ALL of the insane lifting before private steps in when the kinks have
Don’t strawman my argument. I’m not anti-NASA. I’m pro private sector and NASA.
Like right now, covid19 vaccine research is being funded publicly. And then pharmaceuticals are going to swoop in to sell it at 3000% markup
Nasa hasn't been funded since the 60s. Pouring unlimited outside capital into spacex is the same concept as properly funding nasa with taxes
SpaceX’s current total worth is about 40bn. NASA annual budget has been around 20bn per year since the late 80’s.
Sure. But they're not mutually exclusive, and NASAs funds would be better spent pushing the boundaries, let private sector deliver bread.
joeinfro
agreed with this as well. government spending is so tied up in red tape and legislation that this is a rare instance of where having a 1/
privatized sector is most likely for the best for the delivery of materials and goods to the ISS or sustaining experiments in orbit, etc 2/
I don't disagree, problem is that public sector has been gutted and public opinion of it has been intentionally tarnished
Huh... I wonder, do they even ask about NASA when asking people rate their trust in public sector institutions?
From my experience most laypeoples' opinion of nasa is "wasting billions of dollars to send robots to space" unfortunately.
They become mutually exclusive when elected officials crave funds. Any private spending is used as a basis to move fed funds elsewhere
Yes, that is true. Still, building stuff in space long term CAN easily be profitable, and not in some superdistant future, but soon.
But that wouldn't help the situation, as those elected officials don't have access to that profit, so they will only defund public science
It's the "best thing happening" because we stripped NASA of their budget & handed it over as tax breaks. Now the benefits are private.
That was always going to be the case. I agree NASA should have more money, but their focus should be science, not asteroid mining for profit
Right, but if spaceflight is controlled by The People, then we get to license it to mining companies and extract a share of the profits.
Yes, yes, I'm a dirty commie. How dare I want corporate profits to benefit the populace. Heresy, I know.
peddroelm
“It’s one small step for a grain one giant leap for silo’s” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1HA9LlFNM0
givemyrighteye
AccordingToYourMom
WorshipTheSun
Haha
TehMightyEngineer
Neil and Jean both commented after this interview that they felt 60 Minutes got their quotes highly out of context. They supported SpaceX.
Vaanhalen
60 minutes has always been yellow journalism and deceptive edits as lies. Look up their wikipedia. It's awful. They're not news.
ParanoydAndroid
To be fair, apparently Musk took the comments in the same light as 60 minutes.
NotEven0nce
First time he had heard them maybe? If they were presented to him in the wrong context originally then ofc he misunderstood them.
SpaceRunner1
What's the background music? The piano at the start of the video? I've heard it so many times before, maybe sped up...
curseyoursudenbutinevitablebetrayal
I think it's from Pixars UP
TheCrassAndTheFurious
We're all in agreement that Elon Musk is a tool right ? Like a "name my kid weird" total tool ?
braindrill
Personally, I wouldn’t go into space. I do admire Elon’s dreams and success in making it happen. That’s an incredible thing.
WoodyGoodman
Props for big plans; but, before we joyride the stars maybe we'd get our house in order first? Otherwise we track dogshit along w/ us
GhostTater
Ol Musky be like:
wildcrab
can someone explain what was bad about elon musk? i was late to the topic and never figured it out
Vaanhalen
The Wokies only like you if your politics, personal views, work habits, and priorities are identical to theirs.
WoodyGoodman
Not sure either, I suspect it's money made in apartheid South Africa, he makes things for the wealthy, he doesn't care about the rest of us.
jdasler
I can't stand unnecessarily heavy-handed shit like this. So forced.
mixelpixx
New EmoteCHiP working correctly now. Hope Zuck gets the Upgrade, thats one creepy democracy destroying android
McMeowenstein
Comet260
Yet his employees can be canned for using pot, correct?
MediaBiasCheckerFanboy
Elon got into some big shit for this. I think he had to step down from his position at SpaceX to keep some government contracts
McMeowenstein
No idea.
CanaDo
Proof that government is inefficient
kwyjiboner
Musk is a trash human, treats other people like assets/liabilities instead of humans.
BeePill
But America is in love with its billionaires.
WoodyGoodman
*new masters
bmorgan1940
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/71/0b/b1/710bb12e8f4e376003e9e2762246b2ff.jpg
morgan0073
I think this pandemic proves that we all are expendable and if only a few die, it well worth the risk for their bottom line.
paintingagency
So... he's a standard billionaire then.
SchrodingersDictator
Does being worried the species is going to exterminate itself justify being an asshole? Musk feels that we don’t have long to make sure
SchrodingersDictator
We live past this century. He feels an urgency to combat the existential threats as hard and fast as he can. This leads to assholish action.
ImNotRacistBut
If he truly believes humanity's existence is on the clock, why does he waste so much time on twitter calling people pedophiles?
SchrodingersDictator
And that’s a pretty bad straw man.
SchrodingersDictator
Because he’s still human. I hate many of the things he’s said and done. But I have the grace to recognize someone with far reaching vision.
ImNotRacistBut
A vision of calling people pedophiles, maybe.
kwyjiboner
You could argue that the "extinction" is a symptom of capitalism, a system that Musk embraces.
SchrodingersDictator
Only one form of the extrication is capitalism. There’s also being on a single planet and the potential for rogue ai. Arguably more final
SchrodingersDictator
than a bad financial system that promotes global warming. Which he’s also fighting by making people innovate on electric cars and the
SchrodingersDictator
underlying infrastructure.
PythonIndentAwwwYiss
Wait, do we like him again now?
imgureg
'Ol Musky is still a jerk
ProfessorChaos
You're actually allowed to evaluate the evidence and formulate your own unique opinion. Crazy, I know. I get what you mean tho.
Evercrimson
He's still an imperialist venture capitalist chasing the almighty dollar and doesn't care who gets in his way or who gets hurt getting there
SoggyWheatbiks
Fuck this binary thinking mob mentality, why do we have to flip like this? How about he's a human, who does some great and some shit stuff.
YourfavouriteAsian
Is he now? Well idk why u say it, but he did solve a fuck ton of problems and is striving to solve more humanitys problems which isnt someth
YourfavouriteAsian
Something you can say about a lot of people: to mention some of the things i super value (He is going all in with electric cars, space explo
YourfavouriteAsian
Exploration, and cheap accesible connectivity in the whole earth with starlink.. idk about you but i do hope he achieves this things
YourfavouriteAsian
If he gets money doing so, idc, since it will help a lot of people and also is striving to make us go further as humans.
Pronak
I have friends from Nicaragua, Chile and Argentina. His stance about coup d'etat was shocking for me and really disgusting (1)
Pronak
When you know what happened during those dictatorships. It's infuriating for me.
YourfavouriteAsian
Hey ghere im from argentina, what was his stance? All i found in a quick google: is a twitter reply saying: "we will coup whoever we want"
YourfavouriteAsian
Or something close to that.. but its most likely joking given the context
LumpWithaLeafHat
He's a mixed bag of a person with hella money. Most of us are weirdos & screw-ups. Lots of us are mean. Giving us money wouldn't change it.
Turambar400
People are complex. It's natural to have complex feelings about them.
GiggleFury
As someone who loves him, there’s a lot he does wrong. Gotta weigh the pros and cons and see for yourself if he has a good overall impact.
Redshadow09
Nope I used to but he hates the poor and thinks they shouldnt get another stimulus check while he pockes all the money so FUCK HIM!
cepacolusmaximus
Well, he's about the only Billionaire doing something other than stuffing cash into their holdings in Grand Cayman, so by comparison, yeah.
metroidmayhem
While I wish he didn't do some things he has I still respect him for all he's doing. If he wasn't pushing space travel no one would be
Aathas
"Armstrong wrote a strongly worded letter to 60 Minutes saying that he was taken out of context. The program editor agreed"
rtgensler11
TV, news included is mostly bullshit clickbait. I never know what to believe anymore.
Rafter1611
He wrote it after he died? That's incredible!!
notashill
the media took some people out of context? I hope this is a one time thing and wont happen again.
dessertcake
Some narratives just annoy me
Notme68
How old is this? Armstrong died like 8 years ago.
NotABadLookingNarcissist
Not defending 60 minutes here, but it sounds like Musk heard Armstrong’s words and came to the same conclusion.
Deadmanwalkn
He might've just seen the media's report of his words
Sankrew
Or was given the questions for the interview ahead if time.
TheGhostOfFutureDisappointments
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/7547788856
leadman112b42
I would of loving to see Elon's reaction to that gift
Floridaguysmyfirstcousin
Thank you both.
Skynet2xx
This makes me so happy, thanks for sharing.
zipfel73m
as hard as it may sound for those former heroes, he is the hero of space exploration now. they are history. elon is the future.
QuiteHugeMegaPlusUltra
Mmm no. There are reasons why sci-fi utopias don't really work. Space is harder than people realize, and economic warfare is absurd at that
QuiteHugeMegaPlusUltra
scale. I understand Neil's vision of the Cosmos as something more than a colonizers or a capitalist wet dream. Space is for science.
MediaBiasCheckerFanboy
With commercialization of space travel, it'll be easier for scientist to study space. Elon is making space travel affordable...
madbydesign
The way Elon is developing it? You mean his team of engineers and scientists. Let's give credit where credit is due. s/
WalterJrsFatC0ck
Do his team of engineers and scientist find the research? He’s hardly the first person to expect results from an investment.
charlie2979
Most of the research was publicly funded. Hes standing on the shoulder of work done before.
SchrodingersDictator
Literally every visionary did that. Why does musk get a bad rap for it?
ImNotRacistBut
How many "visionaries" get billions in government handouts to fund their vanity projects?
charlie2979
He's a billionaire. He shouldn't exist, his biggest achievement is investing in existing companies.
EphemeralEternity
Elon is eccentric. But he is hardly robotic. The man feels, and you can see it. Sure he's rich, but he's trying to make something awesome
EphemeralEternity
He even realizes he might never get to walk on Mars, yet his work might mean his children or grandchildren might. Way better hopes than-
EphemeralEternity
- ten years ago when Nasa was being stripped down and given up on ever leaving earth. The feelings he must have to hear those words --
EphemeralEternity
"Your idols. Your inspirational heroes. They don't belive in you." Its like being told that your every effort has been for naught.
SeanBeanDiesAlot
Annnd then he went off the deep end on twitter over, and over, and over again
SonderingStrike
Damn, Elon really is an upgrade to Zuck, could barely even hear his hard drive spinning up to access emotions.exe
protools1983
Elon is likely an SSD
desolatorx
RexMori
"Should I call Niel Armstrong a pedophile?"
TheBasementNerd
Or he's actually sad, that's also an option
IHaveAForest
Exactly. People can have emotions and be questionable! Theyre not mutually exclusive.
QuiteHugeMegaPlusUltra
But the Zuck is happy now
BoomerTiro
Elon is a cyborg, not an android. Born human and an upgrade from that.
JackBurton777
mstalltree
Zuck used movie robots from the 1960s to learn behavior. Musk has been using robot movies from the 90s-2000s
nirbo
I never thought eugenics would lead to a better robot. Musk’s dad was an awful awful visionary. /mostly/s
MandrewJackson
I feel like I've mostly seen clips of him being overly emotional.
Rifneno
Musk: Imguretards: Aww poor Elon.
MediaBiasCheckerFanboy
I don't think anyone here is remotely saying that
BannedAcc1
I lost respect for him, seeing how he how's l views this pandemic
SiirPounce
Someone call the ambalam!
graft
https://imgur.com/khqCrf8
Rifneno
fennecbutt
Except you're spreading fake news. Elon made follow up tweets after his initial one was taken out of context.
YourfavouriteAsian
It may be hypocrite to receive those payments. But id be moronic to not apply to "free money" given by your gov...
YourfavouriteAsian
If you consider the huge cost it brings to give those stimulus packages, you cannot be certain or rather itd be super risky to say that
YourfavouriteAsian
The stimulus will bring a positive outcome in the long term. The regulations to the last one from what i read where horrible.
YourfavouriteAsian
So elon is just being honest and receiving money, he shouldnt be able to get in the first place (remember lots of similar people are doing
donkeymoney
Poooor Ol' Musky
mizcs
apollo1kitten1
Asadsadsadclown
Normally I would agree. But this. This is personal.
MandrewJackson
The ultra wealthy just have it so dang rough!
Revan1138
Appropriate meme. But I still don't like the idea that rich people aren't allowed to be sad. That they should continuously be happy because
Soufange
I'd still be depressed if I were a billionaire, you just wouldn't notice cuz I'd go in my secret panic room and cry after happily shopping.
insifer
Ill care when they put their sadness into my bank account
QuiteHugeMegaPlusUltra
Is not about they being able or not to be sad. Is about the rejoice of some being sad after gaining so much by exploitation of others
CrashInfinite
What do you mean rich people aren't allowed to be sad? They can be sad like the rest of us. Off camera.
Revan1138
they have a load of wherewithal.
Asadsadsadclown
The problem comes when they are so incredibly rich they detach from reality. I cant expend the emotional effort to feel sorry for someone,
Asadsadsadclown
that lacks the ability to empathize with me on even the most basic level. This is something personal to him and it shows hes still human.
Asadsadsadclown
I can empathize with him. VS his ultra rich brethren that are full "let them eat cake" mode. Guillotine time.
QuiteHugeMegaPlusUltra
Being sad because a dream wasn't shared by others is just one of the things poor people are sad of.The comparison is grotesque at that point
QuiteHugeMegaPlusUltra
He will never be sad because he and his family and friends are at constant danger to die with no health insurance, having to accept
QuiteHugeMegaPlusUltra
degrading jobs where they're exploited to the limits of mental stability, with the constant threat of having so little resources as to
QuiteHugeMegaPlusUltra
be close to hunger. Being sad because of a dream is a luxury on itself. But yeah I agree, they can be sad also.
StanleyTucciSaysOHSHlT
Wealthy or not, in the moment, that was a man who thought his heros were critical of something he was doing in their honor. Soul crushing...
godtje
Must hand it to the guy, crazy-ass motherf^%&, but he gets shit done!
Rifneno
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
chefsoda
Elon doesn't get it though. They aren't objecting to the technology, which they probably love, their issue is one man controlling it.
AvianFox
Bezos, the man who controls everything else is also involved in space tech tho!
bripi
What kind of BULLSHIT is that? They "object" to the guy with the best idea?? If it were NASA, they'd fucking LOVE it!!
BrotherEstapol
I think if you read this you'll change your mind: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/7547788856
skyblade22
Elon always encourages competition, in fact one of his goals is to inspire competition to try and beat him
InspiredForestRaptor
How he controls it.
TibbzIG
Elon isn't really stopping anyone else from doing the same though. Richard Branson decided to go down that route for a bit and kinda gave up
MandrewJackson
Not being *insanely* wealthy is stopping almost everyone. You might also need to be a genius...that one's not as clear.
dbba
Wealth and a dose of luck and narcissism is probably all you need
TibbzIG
That can be said for anything though... What's stoping gates. Or Mr. Amazon. They have more wealth and could probably gather better resource
fennecbutt
Nothing is stopping them, they just choose not to. Plus Elon has the knowledge base
TibbzIG
Exactly my point
TheWhiteBarry
Exactly, people are really just upset that no one can win as hard as Elon does. He demands engineers take a first principles approach and 1/
TheWhiteBarry
will fire people for not innovating enough. In contrast if you try to innovate in most major corps you get fired for breaking protocol
DarkUranium
If SpaceX is anything like Tesla, then I doubt this is true.
TheWhiteBarry
Then you obviously have no clue how Tesla is being run. Sandy Munro will explain it to you if you'll listen. https://youtu.be/9l6DPwKHWpY
chefsoda
Not sure it's Elon they dislike. It's more that privatizing space means both the public loses control & public science funding gets cut
AnAccountToPostThis
NASA is a worthless husk and i would much rather have private companies take over. We're already seeing how much faster and better it is.
causality
As if the public has even the slightest whiff of control over NASA. Senate Launch System, anyone?
FriendlyNeighborhoodLoner
this
Neurisko
And the NASA budget is tiny compared to what privatized companies could do. We need competition & quick iteration, not gov't pork.
FussyZeus
It's almost like if you don't give NASA money, like Elon gives Space X, they can't do things.
Neurisko
Musk vs Branson etc will get us to Mars and the asteroid belt; valuable resources aplenty. NASA *might* get us to the Moon again.
zenoshogun
Conversely if a committee running SpaceX they would probably still be trying to decide if they were going to use solid/liquid rockets..
Dusseldwarf
What a silly notion. A liquid rocket would melt before it even got off the runway.
zenoshogun
That sounds like Salvador Dali's space program.
Tsumino79
yeah but those are not the full quotes and its all out of context armstrong wrote a strong letter about it
tomattow
All the work the x team does is pretty well communicated with NASA, and must be approved.
Khrome
Like.... the president?
stabby506
What if I told you about a government agency for space tech + exploration, it's underfunded and getting their asses kicked by private indust
JamesFaction
Lol. Musk says a lot of things I don't like, and there are questions about how he treats his staff. But he's keen on getting to Mars...
vaccinessavelivesperiod
He wants to shape Mars as his own personal planet.
idontenglishsorry
I dont understand why people think that a person has to be likable in a context and be likable in other context, he treats his staff 1/2
idontenglishsorry
like shit? ok, he has some point if views you disagree with? ok. That doesnt mean that his goal is wrong, he is very keen on getting to2/3
idontenglishsorry
Mars, THAT IS GOOD, he realeased his Tesla patent or whatev shit some years ago, THAT WAS GOOD, even if it was so the electric cars 3/4
idontenglishsorry
was more common and he would make a profit out of it, it was good for society. He should be condemned by what he does wrong but also4/5
idontenglishsorry
he has to receive credit where credit is due. You cant just be like "he DOES this, I DONT LIKE HIM, HE BAD, BAD MAN, HE SHOULD STOP!!!!" 5/6
blathergram
Not for me, they want to put us in mines to milk and make jokes!
MrLurkerMcGurker
Honestly he gets shitty and crazy I think he just needs sleep, dude works like 100 hours/week and sleeps at his factories
MrTay
A lot of times I come to find out it’s one tweet in a thread or something taken out of context. Not always but he definitely is smeared. 1/
MrTay
It became constant when he told some investors to F off if they don’t have faith. When he interviewed a small share holder that had interest
PorneliusHubertII
I try to judge people more on their actions than some stupid thing they said. Even good people have their bad moments.
DoubleNubbin
For most people that is the best way to go, but someone with that much influence can do a lot of damage with what they say.
bwingnut139000
I wish I could up vote this comment a lot more. You? You’re human. Need more of YOU.
KinetoPlay
Saying something, especially on Twitter with a huge following, is an action.
TechnicallyRight
lol you think he sleeps.
fightkostka6
yes on the fucking floor in factories, htere is i think a photo of him sleeping in tesla factory
dannne
Dude just want to go home.
SonOfSeinfeld
Lol
JReene
After this year, I say he has a point now.
Crimesawastin
SpaceX is putting up the Starlink constellation. It's going to break up the telecom monopoly in the US. It's. Fucking. Important.
miklethertrac
Saw him speak at trade show, said he wanted to be the first commercial LEO constellation that doesn’t go bankrupt
JReene
I'm glad. Those bloated ticks need to be purged so innovation and advancement can happen.
Crimesawastin
They'll still be around. They'll just have to offer uh, competitive prices or some kind of customer service.
lordcirth
I signed up for the beta (I'm in Canada). Impatiently waiting. I have very bad DSL.
metalheadmafia
Most people of high intelligence are often very abrasive.
nutjob2
You're an idiot! Oh, sorry about that, it's just that I'm so bloody smart.
SpikeMarshall
Most people who pride themselves on their high intelligence are often abrasive.
metalheadmafia
Yeah that's a better way of putting it for sure.
SpikeMarshall
I've worked with PHDs and Clinical Directors with amazing soft skills and some who were just conceited jerks
jetflight
The short answer, frankly, is that the old guard is wrong. Commercial space flight is the best thing happening right now. We need MORE of it
Solomon13
Agreed. Competition breeds excellence.
Ewraith
Or we could fund it publicly instead of the almost 800 billion a year to the MIC. It needs to happen but it being gatekept by the 1% is bad.
SteelTech
The problem with publicly funded is the gov't. They have made it intentionally inefficient in how it handles those funds.
WillemHellfire
MIC?
Ewraith
Military industrial complex.
WillemHellfire
Thank you. :)
Ewraith
Nasas budget is a 35th of what America spends on imperialism to keep the MIC chugging along for profit. It doesn't have to be that way.
blankunderscore
SpaceX is set to deliver cargo and put people into space at 1.3% of the cost that it takes for NASA to complete the same task. Your thoughts
Ewraith
Your assumption that nasa is full of invalids who can't engineer as well is dimwitted. Spacex was built on the shoulders of mountains.
Ewraith
Been ironed out already. So they can hoover up profit without having to spend the money thr public alrwady did.
Ewraith
As is always the case with the public to private pipeline. Public does ALL of the insane lifting before private steps in when the kinks have
blankunderscore
Don’t strawman my argument. I’m not anti-NASA. I’m pro private sector and NASA.
Ewraith
Like right now, covid19 vaccine research is being funded publicly. And then pharmaceuticals are going to swoop in to sell it at 3000% markup
Ewraith
Nasa hasn't been funded since the 60s. Pouring unlimited outside capital into spacex is the same concept as properly funding nasa with taxes
blankunderscore
SpaceX’s current total worth is about 40bn. NASA annual budget has been around 20bn per year since the late 80’s.
jetflight
Sure. But they're not mutually exclusive, and NASAs funds would be better spent pushing the boundaries, let private sector deliver bread.
joeinfro
agreed with this as well. government spending is so tied up in red tape and legislation that this is a rare instance of where having a 1/
joeinfro
privatized sector is most likely for the best for the delivery of materials and goods to the ISS or sustaining experiments in orbit, etc 2/
Ewraith
I don't disagree, problem is that public sector has been gutted and public opinion of it has been intentionally tarnished
jetflight
Huh... I wonder, do they even ask about NASA when asking people rate their trust in public sector institutions?
Ewraith
From my experience most laypeoples' opinion of nasa is "wasting billions of dollars to send robots to space" unfortunately.
chefsoda
They become mutually exclusive when elected officials crave funds. Any private spending is used as a basis to move fed funds elsewhere
jetflight
Yes, that is true. Still, building stuff in space long term CAN easily be profitable, and not in some superdistant future, but soon.
chefsoda
But that wouldn't help the situation, as those elected officials don't have access to that profit, so they will only defund public science
cepacolusmaximus
It's the "best thing happening" because we stripped NASA of their budget & handed it over as tax breaks. Now the benefits are private.
jetflight
That was always going to be the case. I agree NASA should have more money, but their focus should be science, not asteroid mining for profit
cepacolusmaximus
Right, but if spaceflight is controlled by The People, then we get to license it to mining companies and extract a share of the profits.
cepacolusmaximus
Yes, yes, I'm a dirty commie. How dare I want corporate profits to benefit the populace. Heresy, I know.