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FP Edit: woohooo, Je suis un European meme-r, or somefing like that. Happy Friday.
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FP Edit: woohooo, Je suis un European meme-r, or somefing like that. Happy Friday.
Hardstylelover
it is much more, there are some rules that could be shit. however, within europe we have certain ways to stop things or even slow things
bannannaclip
kwn34
Memes are overrated anyway!
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
birthdaybaboon
Diversion strats are working as intended.
GoldFrieza
Still a bad law. Sites can't know if content is copyrighted.
choakid999
“Parody is protected and memes are parody!” How’s that gonna get Facebook to filter out memes from the other copyrighted material?
marsgoose
They didn't really "ban" anything, just made it too expensive to filter trough all the content on any large site.
OccasionallyDisney
Niradool
The sharing meme thing is not the problem, it's the linktax.
GnomeHomo
primusnominetandemnomine
yeah except the EU won't enforce this. Private companies will, and since it's a bullshit regulation, they'll most likely just blanket ban
primusnominetandemnomine
Everything that might look like it's copyrighted, and since it's in the companies best interests to do what the EU says, they have a
primusnominetandemnomine
censorship tool they can abuse freely now, and should any outrage over a ban happen, they can just claim it was an accident. This law is
primusnominetandemnomine
1984 in the making. It's funny, I always figured the Europeans would go the Brave New World route instead and that the US would be 1984
Wauphale
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:52016PC0593
Wauphale
EU doesn't have "Fair Use" or anything equivalent. Good luck.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
That is the old version. The amendments are here: www.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/ficheprocedure.do?lang=en&reference=2016/0280(COD)
Wauphale
Well, damn and blast, why would the Twitter link me to the old version?
SmartHasTheBrainsButStupidHasTheBalls
Unless you live in Australia where there isn't a parody exception and we just all criminally meme because we've always been criminals
yepwatermelon
"Haha let's try to be funny and relatable to distract from the awful, internet killing link tax." Fuck the European Commission.
mastikator
Taking YouTube as a precedent, parody does not matter to lawyers, they do not care about the spirit of freedom of speech
DtheB8
BlueAtlas
I hope they paid the link tax on those three hyperlinks.
NaturalProgressionGaming
Lets see if that remains true when the meme is directed at politics they don't agree with. xD
dekket
Memes aren't the issue. God damnit there are people on both sides that are too stupid to get this. It's all about the filters, people. >
Cranbananarama
Screw filters! Drink your coffee with bean chunks in it!
dekket
> Let's see if Imgur will be able to afford the content filtering software necessary in order to assure themselves to not be sued l8r
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amstrad
Or if they do get software there's a good chance it'll be even less well handled than Youtube's ContentID system.
dekket
And that system is total asshatery. And that's even before the "killswitch" that big companies have with regards to DMCA takedowns nowadays
TheShadowsLengthen
From what I've read of the directive, "automated filtering" isn't supposed to be systematically applied without concern for the size of 1/2
TheShadowsLengthen
...of the content providers and their means, or the type of content they propose. It leaves a lot for the members states to decide on. 2/2
nppraxis
The problem is by mandating sites police copyright they will deploy automated tools and it is impossible for tools to differentiate parody.
nppraxis
Therefore web sites will likely be forced to deploy tools that will delete memes automatically by default as precaution.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
Devils advocate: There is a planned regress mechanism. I am skeptic tho how well that will work.
nppraxis
Struggling to find any details, got a link?
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
www.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/ficheprocedure.do?lang=en&reference=2016/0280(COD) Article 13 2b
chrisman01
This is a great example of how political organizations lie and don't read on what they voted on. Don't believe the propaganda. Save this.
SmolTenk
Yeah, and the upload filters totally can discern between parody and copyright infringement...
kidburman
Exactly.
ChrisHill297
Well said! and the exact point the EU refuse to look into
spanky82
‘Must blame someone else for me stealing other people work!’
RedDwarfIV
"what is fair use"
amstrad
This. Can't wait for every website to have its own poorly designed version of ContentID.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
Well, then: good news. It probably will only be at most a handful rented out to everyone. Thus helping the big players to get even bigger
neil137
But did he have a permit for his meme license?
playstation360
Because the companies that have to comply with the new regulations will do it the cheapest and safest way, meaning no exceptions for memes.
EastCoastCanadian
Automated systems to recognize pictures, video, and audio clips. Some YouTube videos have been copystricken from a thumbnail or still frame
Krypet004
and for whitenoise, or lack of sound..
playstation360
Exactly. They don't care if there's an exception, blanket bans are safer and cheaper.
EastCoastCanadian
Yup have some +1 friend
AdmiralTails
Yeah, and even if we do get an exception for memes in the automated, it would still likely block any new memes before they start.
AdmiralTails
As the exception would probably just be a list of things to recognize as memes (like facepalming Picard).
TheShadowsLengthen
If there is an exception for some form of protected content (memes), then the EU states will step up to ensure the law is correctly applied.
RedDwarfIV
Then the sites will be in an impossible position. They can't filter all their content manually. And they can't do it well automatically.
TheShadowsLengthen
That's why the actual Directive demands that the nature of services and availability of technology be taken into account in the 1/2
TheShadowsLengthen
cooperation between information society service providers and rightholders when trying to apply copyrights. 2/2
RedDwarfIV
Since smaller services could feasibly do it manually, they would have to pay for content moderators to check everything?
RedDwarfIV
So this is going to result in big services not having to enforce it, while smaller services do?
MrSebi
Except as places like youtube show, stuff is handled by automated systems that don't considert fair use. And it's a shoot first system.
Chereazi
Because they only read headlines of clickbait articles and not the actual content of serious publications on the topic?
TheFrenchGirl
hypothesis : i take a drawing on deviant art and use it on my website w/out consent. Now: the host is not responsible. Then: Yes, they are.
spetcnaz
While you are correct. The law is flawed, detailed read or not. We can see the draconian effects of the US DMCA to this day.
robviously
Don't put a question mark at the end. Be confident in your wild, yet highly probable accusations
ThrowTheAccountAway
Sounds like a job for the [insert any UK based newspaper]
Svartlebee
Because we can look at existing copyright flagging in progress. Youtube is a sterling example of what to expect. Blanket bans.
WastelandPuppy
Sterling example, you say? Clever.
Chereazi
There is a misflag now and then, but extremely few people ever have problems. It's really not a big deal. And it definitely didn't 1/
Chereazi
destroy youtube or made it less attractive or really change anything that'd matter. Aside from preventing people from breaking laws.
Svartlebee
"Few". Pretty much every major youtuber has a video on being fucked over by the copyright process. Even PewDiePie has had flagged shit.
Chereazi
And I bet it was completely unwarranted all the time because those people absolutely do not stream pretty much everything...
frog311
EnterElysium huge flags for free intro music. Nerdcubed received flags by a fake valve corp to attempt to take revenue. Znaproductions flag
Iankill
What they are doing is still fucked though without doubt
equityforpunks
The directive still sets such responsibilities to big social media companies that it is better to filter out automatically all grey area.
voltlunok
No, the directive leaves it to each country on how to approach the 'issue'. That's what a directive does.
Chereazi
Article 13 doesn't even say that filtering has to happen. It even states that automatic blocking of content should be avoided.
DevonGronka
I'm always disappointed at how uneducated people are about topics that they seem to care so much about. Jstor has a free library 1/2
DevonGronka
system to "check out" articles for free a few at a time. There is absolutely no reason not to have read actual research this day and age.
LobsterBandito
You’ll never guess what 6 things the EU wants to ban next! Number 4 will shock you!
AdmiralTails
It's something of a half truth. "Ban" isn't the right word. Memes won't be illegal, but the requirement of filters is going to hit them.
Chereazi
Article 13 even states to avoid automated blocking of content. It's mostly just about giving copyright owners the chance to protect 1/
Chereazi
their work trough independent bodies and making companies liable for not removing copyrighted material on request. 2/2
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
Because they understand the fact that companies aren't going to take a risk on being sued for possibly breaching the law so they'll just 1/
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
ban everything regardless of if it's protected by parody or fair use because no company is in the market to protect its users or content 2/
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
creators. 3/3
Chereazi
Read what they actually wrote in article 13. It's not a "one mistake and you get sued!" Far from it.
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
How do you think "one mistake" would gel on platforms with millions of users and millions of uploaded images every single day?
justinian87
Oh sure. Things always get better when we get the government involved......
cheezedoff68
This won’t stop the jokes. Facts don’t apply to stupid attempts at humor, unless Canadians really are a bunch of maple sucking puck slappers
vampirehedgehog
Exhibit B: France and warfare
AllRicksAreJerrys
I'm a Canadian and all I do is slap pucks and suck maple.
pompidasical
Wait...are Canadians NOT a bunch of maple sucking puck slappers??!?
Nobody7713
Am Canadian, maple good, not big on the puck slapping
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
I thought you slapped moose. And beavers.
kuljeskelen
Nah... not all of them. It's just that 99% of them ruin the reputation for the rest.
BoboTheeHobo
Considering I'm one of them and I have coffee with maple syrup right now. We actually might be.
sleix
Wait, where's the Poutine chomping part? Or does that only apply to Quebec?
WannaBeStarDust
I know a dyslexic puck sucking Maple slapper Canadian.
Chereazi
So far about 99% of Canadians I talked to DID have maple sirup at home. So that part isn't wrong... xD
poopoo911
Sometimes I get mad when people say how Canadian I am, but then I stop and remember that I personally know 5 people who make their own syrup
istrugglewithstairs
Homemade maple syrup is literally the best thing ever. Still hot from the pan . . . .
EastCoastCanadian
There's nothing wrong with being "so canadian". Is there anything wrong with being "So -insert nationality here-"?
FloatingOnACloudOfTitties
Try being So-American & see how everyone reacts, lol... Btw, I love both America & maple sucking puck slappers, lol
EastCoastCanadian
I'm not so fond of America to be honest but could u imagine a world without it. Nope. I love NASCAR n bbq and the porn u make so...
EastCoastCanadian
I have maple syrup. But when u see that 80% of the world's maple syrup is Canadian and we only have 30mil people. We got lots to go around.
Irejectyourrealityandsubstituteitwithmyown
A friend of mine had Vermont maple syrup, as an intentional "import" we are no longer friends
EastCoastCanadian
Good man
OrC23
Glacier jumping maple backs.
RunningWolf
Some of us are.
seanrus16OG
I think I once saw a documentary about Canada that was named maple sucking puck slappers...
MrFancyPanzer
Fuck, I wanted to sell memes on the black market.
Keydan
And I was about to open my first meme den, already got all the crack addicts evicted!
Ohhhlookaunicorneatingasamurai
Black Memekek
SuperTacticalSandwich
I'm still going to
EightyMeterLongDong
I can trade you a Ugandan Knuckles for 2 Doge if you are interested.
Hayashima
You trying to screw me over? Ug-knuck came and went and is near-worthless now, whereas Doge is still relevant!
wolfebane42
You got the good stuff? Nah, tapped out today, just got some left over Skeleton War posts and a couple of rotting Pepes...
BahamutBBob
Skeleton war not good. +1
Spooktergeist
... how much for the Pepes?
wolfebane42
Enh, if I don't sell them soon they'll just get tossed... how's 15 sound for the lot?
TheGreatResurrectorofThreads
Done!
retroparkour
Skeleton war memes? I got rare skeletor memes
Hayashima
I can't possibly match you...
retroparkour
PhustrKluk
I am a collector of rare Pepe’s. May I see your Pepe stock?
wolfebane42
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/020/401/HereDatBoi.jpg
wolfebane42
You might be saying "Those aren't Pepes!" and you'd be right, but this is the black market kiddo, dems the breaks.
PhustrKluk
Sir, you are a liar, a swindler, and a cheat. I bid you good day.
wolfebane42
https://pics.me.me/take-the-hood-o-kermit-and-hav-some-tea-sips-20542422.png
trapperjohnmd
What’s the reasoning behind it? No from the eu. Only hear about it in meme form on here
RacistCoffee
"Hey people of Imgur who are either one-sided, retarded, or un-caring, could you objectively tell me something about the new regulation?"
Thethingwiththechart
The reason for the propaganda against it is that big companies want to save money (Facebook, YouTube, etc.). Just watch this get downvoted.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
Big player are the winner of this thing IMHO. They already have such systems in place and can even make money renting them to smaller sites
Naeaes
For article 13, sure. But they're ciming up with scary stories because they don't want 11 and 12 to pass. The one's about paying journalists
playstation360
Facebook and others will have to filter copyrighted material, it's too expensive to follow the exception so they'll filter out memes too.
DeputyTJunior
Who says its too expensive? Businesses will do what they want when it fits. Gprs didn't change anything
playstation360
Precedent: YouTube's algorithms automatically flagging videos for copyright violation even when fair use clearly applies.
MadDrDrillBit
most don't understand how these stupid laws affect buis longterm, feels good now so do it.
ArtOzz
Fuck fair use. YouTube flags videos which have no relation to the IP that theyre referring to.
DanniLuxgarbe
Correction: Youtube takes people at their word when they file a copyright claim, and put the burden of proof on the uploader to counterclaim
FrozenSteel
And that process is a pain. I used to do videos around '10, had written permission for all copyright material i used. Took weeks every time.
aselleus
They flagged NASA for their own video the Mars rover landing
Grimmrog
because youtube is abloody shithole, or went into one at least. but its now too mainstream to make people use something else.
OrangeFlavours
It's not too mainstream at all. People simply use youtube because it's convenient, if they fuck over users, users WILL switch.
Rogahar
I made several parody videos years ago. To this day I still get companies trying to flag them for copyright violation to claim ad space >
Rogahar
> on them.
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
Obstructing memes is a potential side effect of the new law, not its intention. The new law puts the onus on content hosts operating...
GDSTEVE
Like everything government does, the unintended consequences typically cause more problems than what is ostensibly being solved.
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
...the web site to utilise 'all measures', including filtering software that prevents uploads of copyrighted material, or auto-flags it....
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
...which sounds reasonable unless you learn that automatic filter software is extremely indiscriminate, and will also fuck with...
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
...permitted fair uses of CRIP. Calm technological experts need to be making appointments to speak to EU comminssioners and MEPs, as the...
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
...democratically elected EU parliament has to ratify any directives before they're issued. This one will be voted on in January 2019.
EastCoastCanadian
Basically they r working with the music industry and old school news outlets who are threatened by the new way things work online.
SirKhan
It's not that easy. It's designed to stop big agglomerators (Google youtube,...) from just copy pasting OC so basically anti-repost law
GuardsmanMiku
not to mention this is the kinda thing that smaller websites wont be able to create
bigbrothersbinary
But they may be able to licence from larger companies. However this is still going to be an issue because some cannot afford to.
GuardsmanMiku
but also requires sites to have algorithms to spot things which is almost definately gonna hit fair use accidentally
SFMGifs
So... an international internet-wide YouTube reporter algorithm? Sounds like a brillaint and totally non-exploitable tool /s
SirKhan
And that's where the issues / loopholing starts. #nofilter
shortbuswastaken
'accidentally' sure, they'll do like YouTube and make it super hard to appeal anything and throw out false flags left and right
DylanIsBored
I am American and haven’t properly looked into this, but my understanding is that this law is basically anti piracy right? Like it just 1/
DylanIsBored
Stops people from putting things out illegally like no illegal streaming of music and movies and such. Or at least that is their 2/
FuckMeThenYou
*threatened by "copy paste journalism" that steals contest from news sites
DylanIsBored
To be fair, here in America you could run a news site from your coach and just word it good enough and source enough other sites
DylanIsBored
But that’s the way it should b imo, no one should have rights to information, even if someone else found it first
FuckMeThenYou
Yes? Nobody is even coming close to argue for that. the people researching and writing the news must still be paid for their job
AllTheEbola
Newsworthy content is protected in EU copyright law, so as long as it isn't plagirism you can share those news freely.
Shishoka
Steals content from news sites? half the time I find out the big story of the day on these news sites originated from "The Onion."
Defylightwithdarkness
This rumor was stupid from the beginning. There was not even a clue about banning memes, but so many people got mad over literally nothing!
Telruin
I never got the impression that people seriously thought memes were going to be banned... until they misunderstood people explaining 1/2
Telruin
how memes might be affected as collateral damage. The AI might not be sophisticated enough to separate copyright and memes. 2/2
RedDwarfIV
This is exactly it. Its not a meme ban. Its *effectively* a meme ban.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
As a dev: there is no way to successful automatically detect fair use. All we can do is do some filtering before humans make the decisions.
Telruin
Yeah. It is theoretically possible at best. And I assume the hardware would be too slow to be viable if built with elements we know of.
voltlunok
I moderate a few discords, there were definitely folks who seriously believed memes were gonna be banned. Like, aggressively believed to-
prosperouscheat
Sites will deploy automated tools to remove © material & it's impossible for them to differentiate parody so memes will be removed
voltlunok
prosperouscheat
Probable not just possible. Look at how youtube handles copyright strikes and the hassle to get something restored
voltlunok
The point one user started actively harassing users from the EU and I had to boot them. They're not the majority at all, but they do exist.
Telruin
They are in all groups,but did they get there on their own,or did they hear parts of someone else explanation before using it for a crusade?
voltlunok
In some instances, folks just read TLDRs that grossly misrepresented the issue. Others were just getting info from memes. In the case of-