ElephantNipplesAreWeird
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1) If I made it known that I wanted to cut off my arms or legs psychiatric help would be suggested.
2) I'm bi. So I'm not insensitive to the plight.
3) I use whatever puffin I want! ;P
doobiedoobiedoobiedoo
I thought most reputable places required it. The people I know on hormone treatment to start were required...
librarywyrm
This is already a thing. Maybe read up a little before posting?
Beelsebooob
You realise that pretty much everywhere where you can have a sex change operation, this is required, right?
spicypiggy
What does it matter to you? Not your body, not your problem.
CherryEmpress
It's not like you can just sign up to get a vagina the next day. It's a long process, and involves psychiatric evaluations. So rest easy.
R3tr0P0tat0
Therapy is required and there are levels of approval... So... Maybe do some research before posting next time.
xxlittlemissxx
But that actually takes effort!
ineptusMechanicus
That's why you have to do that under the NHS
Drapetomanius
Just my two cents as an anachist; when you go from "good idea" to "state mandated" you lose credibility with me. Yes, it's a very good idea.
universalcode
Popular opinion: mind your own business.
subbywan
Multiple years of therapy are required
keyserv
It's a several-year process before getting a sex-change.
enargeiac
And a 'sex-change' isn't a definitive thing. There are several different surgeries for any direction of transgender. It isn't an absolute.
TheLoneElectron
You're right, because people are totally getting their sex changed all Willie- nillie
Nyactical
heh, willie nillie
SP0OooO0KY
congratulations, its required
Dayrest
To get that surgery you have to spend that must time talking to a therapist. So...not really sure what your point is....
aralleraill
I often wonder why anyone who this is not a concern for even has an opinion on the matter
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
Because everyone is entitled to an opinion. I'm pro trans for the record.
Thistly
Can see what you're saying, but with how hard it is for most pre-ops already, do we really want to encourage more into dodgy clinics?
ButtAmbassador
Technically the penis isn't chopped off. It's turned inside out, whereas the uterus is removed, the urethra rerouted, and the clitoris grown
TallLightnHandsome
How do you make a clitoris grow?
ButtAmbassador
Testosterone, prolonged stretching, and some surgery black magic. Not an exhaustive list.
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
ButtAmbassador
Turns out, looking in depth about the procedures is a "bonding experience" between me and my trans friends. I know more than I want to.
Nyactical
You're a good friend
ButtAmbassador
I try to be. Some things I just can't do though. Like squishing bugs. You're on your own, pal.
itsthevoiceman
Yeah, not unpopular, since it's eiher usually required or highly recommended.
88dahl
you're bi and still insensitive imo
Rabbit33
I have two really good friends who are trans. Before they were able to do any changes including hormone therapy they had to do 1/2
Rabbit33
2/2 a year of therapy. Then another year before sexual reassignment surgery. A surgeon requires a therapist note confirming therapy before
streptovsky
This is already a requirement you judgmental, uneducated hick.
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
Rude. I'm judgmental and an uneducated hick but you call me these names and know nothing about me. I pro trans for the record.
spudcosmic
Then why did you write it with highly ignorant and condescending language?
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
It is a post on imgur that is my opinion. It doesn't matter who agrees and who doesn't. We all can feel how we chose.
spudcosmic
People are just gathering what they can about you from this train wreck of a post.
Nyactical
The current guidelines yield a regret rate of well under 1% and seeing as it takes years to get it anyway this would just be unnecessary
ButtAmbassador
This would be unnecessary for the simple fact that it is already required in the states. That's not to say there aren't any loopholes...
Nyactical
more stupid arbitrary requirements is the last thing I need
PigeonFace
It's already required in lots of places
randolphjcarter
Why would a person that's bi-sexual have any greater insight into the thought process of a transgender person than...say.....me?
EllEzDee
Because bi people know exactly what desperation is like.
MexicanHandOff
Oh, I didn't realize that bisexual people had cornered the market on suffering.
EllEzDee
Bi is suffering personified. "Big dick, little tits, anything will do, give me a receptacle or i will muder you".
temujin9
Well, aren't you just a shining beacon of humanity.
EllEzDee
Username: Temujin. Huh.
YouKillBugsGoodRigo
I JUST READILY ASSUME ANYONE WHO IDENTIFIES THEMSELVES AS PART OF SOMETHING TO ACCOMPANY A POINT IS NOT PART OF THAT THING. AND AN ASS.
R3tr0P0tat0
I was thinking the exact same thing. I rolled my eyes so hard it hurt when I read that.
MOTHERFUCKINGMOTHERFUCKER
I'm a bi person and I did to. Of course I also rolled my eyes at the post itself, honestly.
TheAngryMarineBiologist
A lot of LGB people tend to forget they can be just as giant cunts to the T community as straight people
lactatingnavel
There are a lot of people in the queer community that are hateful to trans* individuals, so her sexuality plays no role in her defense.
zamielvanweber
As well as a lot people who think bisexuality does not exist. As a gay man the concept of a "queer community" hurts. They can be as bad(1/2)
zamielvanweber
As the rest. (2/2)
excusemesirdoyouhavetimetotalkaboutourlordandsaviorJOHNCENA
Gay friend of mine doesn't like trans people and scolded me for using the word pansexual to describe myself. Bigots abound :/
ZachPutland
The same reason that a Crossfitter or vegan would
primalmammal
They wouldn't. Those are very different identity issues.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
Probably depends on who you ask, but I don't think bisexuality is considered an identity issue at all.
Kiore
Sexual orientation is pretty salient to most people's sense of identity.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
Sure, but gay and bisexual aren't considered disorders (again, depending on who you ask). Gender identity disorder is a different thing.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
Think of it this way. Gay/straight/bi, these are just built-in preferences. I like raspberry, you like strawberry. Trans means there's a
Kiore
Ahh right, I misunderstood how you were using 'issue'.
scottynoface
They dont, but much more likely someone would call OP a bigot with that detail omitted
temujin9
News flash: bisexuals can be bigots, too!
CrestFallenWarrior
Oh you're bisexual? God knows how much shit that oppressed group has to suffer.
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
It's hard to come out as a bi man because people assume you're gay. So the struggle is real. I support trans people FYI.
Iridale
I'm glad that you're a supportive person, though I don't know that you understand what "hard" is.
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
I do. If you think it's easy to tell your super religious family and friends something like that, props to you. It was hard for ME.
Iridale
Yeah. It was a lot easier than telling my very religious and conservative family other things, for sure. Of course, difficulty is relative.
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
You can down play my issues all day. You don't know me but I'm glad to know that what you say/ think of me doesn't change me.
ParsleySage
I mean they do catch a lot of flack, both from the straights and gay people who think they're queering wrong or something.
Isaislol
I'm not bi but... All the same shit that gay/lesbian people get plus dealing with constant bi erasure.
PigeonFace
They didn't say they suffer more. At the most we rarely get is "Just choose" and "You're lying for attention" from both sides.
DoctorNothing00
I've been debating getting my genitals rearranged for years but I'm too scared to go through it. :/
spudcosmic
Go talk to someone about it. I'm sure you'll figure things out after getting some help.
DoctorNothing00
I did. I don't think they took me too seriously because of the way I carry myself. I'm planning to try another one just in case.
DoctorNothing00
I already have low self esteem so the previous therapist didn't help with that...
Lugh314159
You being bisexual doesn't give you special insight into the transgendered community.
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
It's not that at all. You assume that's what I meant. I said that be cause bi is part of the LGBTQA.
Lugh314159
Didn't mean to give quite as much grief as you seem to have got. Sorry for that. All I mean is even within the larger community, all our
Lugh314159
struggles are different, and unique in their own way. Your experience as a bisexual person may not translate to greater empathy towards
Lugh314159
other types of queer folk.
wint0191
This type of judgmental attitude toward the T by the L, G, and B is a huge problem. I get more guff about being trans from inside than out
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
I'm not giving you grief. I think it's brave to make that type of commitment. But I don't think it's generally wise to jump into it.
wint0191
I didn't, i spent 20 years confused and the last year trying to juggle transitioning and regular life, and part of that is regular therapy
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
Then my OPINION doesn't apply to you. My opinion changes nothing for anyone. It's just how I feel. You continue doing you.
Lugh314159
You are, of course, entitled to voice your opinion. But please don't pretend it's somehow more valid than others'.
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
And my opinion is more valid to me because it's mine. Just like you are trying to school me with yours. Same thing. I'm just honest.
ZachPutland
That's not what valid means
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
You're right. I know nothing. Everyone else knows everything. Cool. Bye.
MaxWhale
Speaking as someone with a trans sister. She constantly regrets every day she grew up a boy. I sincerely think that most people know 1/2
MaxWhale
themselves well enough to make the decision. And all of the time and convincing otherwise is for parents who wish it wasn't this way 2/2
albertkaholic
But wouldn't it have been OK if she could have felt happy and comfortable being the kind of boy she wanted to be? Even a very feminine one?
aleister94
Yeah I think there should be a wait period but I think a year is a bit excessive
Nyactical
they schedule out sometimes years in advance and wpath requires 1 year hrt and 1 year RLE, plus it takes a while to get the money
aleister94
Dang, maybe more than a bit excessive
Lockerd
Past events, and the trauma involved do make this necessary, it's not just to be sure you want it, but to help transition
Lockerd
There is something, which people realize later and poor therapy makes this hard. Mentally you are the opposite gender/sex but
Lockerd
Physically you aren't, not everyone takes well to hormone therapy, and some come to realize their new genitalia doesn't work
Lockerd
They struggle to keep positive and they sometimes feel like they are a lie because they aren't completely the gender they feel they should b
goldensky
Nobody should constantly regret anything. She needs help for *that.*
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
Hang it up! It's a losing battle. I realized that about 6 hours ago.
wint0191
I think the point was that she probably looks back with regret and dissapointment. I know I do, but I dont regret my boy-life as a whole 1/2
wint0191
But I do regret not being open and honest with myself and wish I had explored my feelings and reached out to someone at a younger age.
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thecactusfucker
Coming to accept changing a fundamental portion of your identity is still bit more radical than finding out you want to be a fireman.
BeardedMenAreMyObsession
Why is it any of our business? It's that person's body and it shouldn't be up for public debate.
Nyactical
this so much this
Qualtagh
Since you asked, I feel obligated to play devil's advocate: Healthcare costs affect everyone. Whether the procedure is funded by the gov --
Qualtagh
or by an insurer, the added cost of a surgery impacts taxes or insurance prices. Even for procedures paid for out-of-pocket, if something --
BeardedMenAreMyObsession
Between their doctor and the patient to make sure it's good for them psychologically (OP's original concern). $$$ is another conversation.
BeardedMenAreMyObsession
J/K..4/4:) Do you know how many insurance companies cover this? I'm not sure.
BeardedMenAreMyObsession
Good point, but it's a bit off topic of where I was going (my fault). It is a decision for the person to decide if it is right for them. 1/3
Qualtagh
goes wrong, the patient can end up in the ED and that bill can hit others.
BeardedMenAreMyObsession
Whether they can afford it is not where I was going. More just as a friend, we should love and support them. It is a decision to be made 2/3
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
So I'm not allowed to have an opinion on something that has touched me personally?
BeardedMenAreMyObsession
Comes to terms w/ things at different times, which could differ from you or me. I leave the decision with the person and their doctor (2/2).
BeardedMenAreMyObsession
You can, but showing people support and love while being supportive and listening to their needs is key. Everyone is different and (1/2)
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
Who's rights have I encroached on?! Nobody's. I fell how I feel because I have a friend who transitioned and regrets it. Anything else?!
BeardedMenAreMyObsession
No need for hostility. I'm just saying being a good friend is key. Cheers to you if you do the same for your friendz
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
I'm not hostile. People on here attack with no info on me period. Some people like to argue for the sake of arguing. I don't.
BeardedMenAreMyObsession
My friend is transitioning and she has a lot of people handing out unsolicited opinions, so I listen and tell her she's loved.
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
Good for you. I show support without codling people. I ask tough questions to make sure they are sure. They do the same for me.
HighPriestOfCera
You are allowed to have an opinion. Just like I have the opinion that if you aren't trans it hasn't touched you that personally. Ezpz
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
So if it affects a friend of mine that's not my concern?!
HighPriestOfCera
Not really no Lol. We are talking about a very PERSONAL life decision. You don't get a say. You can have an opinion on it but in the end 1/2
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
You have thousands of points worth of opinions and comments. You my friend are a hypocrite.
HighPriestOfCera
this is a choice. The choice to go through this is being made by your friend. Not affecting them. And therefore your opinion isn't even 2/3
jediengineer
It is required, @OP.
ButtAmbassador
Years of therapy is required, @OP. The therapist actually has the power to deny treatment (referrals, etc.) if they think it's premature.
DoggoMcDoggoFace
They can deny treatment for a number of reasons as well, my coworkers girlfriend was was denied because she had other mental health (1/2)
DoggoMcDoggoFace
Conditions and was considered not of sound mind
jediengineer
Unless you're Bruce Jenner...
ButtAmbassador
Playing by the insurance's rules is only for us poor people, remember?
jediengineer
Ahh crap, you got me there....
shinichikitron
It varies state by state, but the overall guideline is at least a year of therapy before going on hormones, let alone surgeries.
demonjester1515
As someone who's sister is in the middle of this, it is not required. It's common, but not required.
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
Thank you! I respect trans people. I just think therapy might help sort some things out before making a huge decision.
demonjester1515
As do I, and I agree, I think it should be required as well.
excusemesirdoyouhavetimetotalkaboutourlordandsaviorJOHNCENA
Cousin of mine went through the surgery recently. I hold to the rule of "wait a year to be sure" with tattoos, big money, and anything perm
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
Good rule of thumb. I wish your cousin the best.
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
It's not enforced. People go to other countries and have the surgery done.
flamingflamingo
So what? If they have the money, they can chop off their limbs for all I care.
ButtAmbassador
People mainly go to (e.g.) Thailand because it costs a quarter of what it would cost in the states.
Nyactical
people also go to Thailand because Suporn and Chettawut are 2 of the best surgeons in the world
Isaislol
...and both require all of the same things as surgeons in the US and UK as the terms are set by the World Health Organisation.
ThatOnePolarBearOnTheLeft
Thai surgeons still need to see proof you've been through therapy and hormone treatment.
jediengineer
That's other countries.
CherryEmpress
So? Are you suggesting there be some sort of international enforcement of this? How would we do that, exactly?
Isaislol
It's already internationally enforced by the world health organisation.
CherryEmpress
I just mean to say there will always be people who find loopholes, but it doesn't make what OP is saying any more of an "unpopular opinion".
Isaislol
No, you'e totally right. OP posted their opinion without researching it, thinking they were being profound.
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
It's a thought. Not a mandate. People love to get riled up over a simple though. I'm pro trans FYI. I just think therapy is a good idea.
CherryEmpress
You're the one making "unpopular opinion puffins" about something that is not only popular opinion, but already common practise.
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
On imgur, not capital hill. I thought I was free to voice an opinion. Oh I am and I will.
temujin9
You're the one finding reasons why the things that are already incredibly commonly done aren't good enough. Maybe YOU need the therapy.
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
I'm in therapy. That's why I thought it was a good idea.
CitizenDickbag
Pro trans, but you're upset therapists can't "change their minds?" Oh sure.
ElephantNipplesAreWeird
I didn't ask for anyone's mind to be changed. Show me where I sad that and I'll give you all my points.