Jun 9, 2017 8:40 PM
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BarryGunt
what is common for the spider is chaos for the fly.
chezzyknytt
Case and point: A lot of rape going on in the animal kingdom.
ashipthatshipsshippingships
One bite should do it, if it is any consolation.
Yetiphobia
Since it's in most cases objectively natural to be thus eaten, your next problem is to provide a sound argument that it's objectively bad.
All these downvotes, but nobody catching that it was sort of a joke about a philosophical question.
itwasbuilticame
It's 'good' too! ... when it happens to people I hate
kiruwa
My usual example is smallpox
Piepersonsmom
Today someone recommended Bear spray, while another said it was just human hot sauce.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
Not if those berries you picked, which are a shade of white and may be poisonous, kill you first. Nature!
DefenderOfDog
Having dog is both natural and good and fair bear detectors
MachineInterface
"Natural" is a set that includes everything, "good" is a set that includes nothing
daelythm
Of course you are right when dealing with absolutes. I just say that our human minds were meant for good. Even relative good has value to me
yapyapblahblahdribbledribbledribble
Hurricanes are also natural, good luck eating one of those.
Bundacious
Bears don't normally kill and eat people. Everybody I know who was attacked by a bear is still alive.
SomeDetroitGuy
Odd, I dont know a single person who has survived a bear attack.
CowboyZ
What about all the people you never met because they were killed and eaten by a bear?
TheLeifOfTheParty
It's good for the bear
terrorofthederp
The gap under the bears head looks like a large man is led on the ground looking up at the bear
captainfuckingobvious
Indeed it does
Zixtank
Do bears even eat people though? I thought they just beat them to death for stepping on their property.
icelandicsealbear
ARSENIC IS PERFECTLY NATURAL
zackofspades
That "into the Wild" dude died a natural death...essentially a suicide of stupidity, but natural af
TakamiStitches
Wait, what? Someone filming wildlife survival actually died from lack of prep? 'Recently' at that?
theitinerantnaturalist
His whole point was to be underprepared. He found out why that's not really reasonable.
A lesson you can only learn once. Whoops.
Main two mistakes being: not bothering to look up changes in river depth and volume, and purposely ditching his map
Arrogance is a hell of a drug.
Sheepyhead
"natural" means nothing, humans aren't above nature.
burningcouchwv
Truth
LosPer
Sam Harris is great. Read some of his books...
thegrimtrigger
His podcast is excellent as well.
BarrackHusseinIslamabama
The podcast is very nice, most people that dislike Sam either think he's boring or haven't listened to him themselves.
Deadpolio
"Whateva! I do what I want!" - Grizzly Man
FuzzyMedic
The Werner Hertzog documentary? Yeah, that guy was stupid.
Aathole
Chased a bear with a hachet once. Did not die......should have. All over taking a damned picture
KnightWhoSaidNi
It also seems VERY natural too me to stay the flip away from bear territory
OldGreggsBloodyMangina
I live in bear country, not an option for me.
TheDivineUsersub
As an Alaskan resident, our territories kind of overlap...
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DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
wat?
Strostkovy
That depends on if you and the bear share a natural habitat.
HahaWubalubadubdubHaha
No i think the bear is going to maul you in just about any habitat
Yeah but if a bear mauls you in a cathedral it's it's not very natural
The bear doesn't know it's in a cathedral. The bear doesn't even know what a cathedral is
I meant Colosseum. But still, chickens don't know they are in a meat farm, but it's still not natural
Well you've got me there, that's actually pretty bulletproof
sosume
Same goes for "Organic." Arsenic is organic.
Actually elemental Arsenic is prohibited by USDA ยง205.602 - Nonsynthetic substances prohibited for use in organic crop production. I lied.
MisterWho
Also, organs. v
And dihydrogen monoxide. Or so I've been told.
NotAnIroningBoard
I only eat gluten free arsenic though
themuttonisniceandlean
But is it free range?
Delrus
Uhh, actually organic means carbon based. So no, As is not organic. Nice try, though.
From a dietary standpoint (which is clearly what was intended) that's incorrect.
Ricin is organic
So, I could say "my cock is organic" and be accurate while making the same point?
SatansTesticles
Meth is organic
CrazyGuyOnABike
That's literally false.
From a dietary standpoint, no. Organic rice contains arsenic.
"organic" means "a carbon-based compound sourced from a living organism". Last I checked, Arsenic wasn't that.
Sam Harris, +1
Flixster
Listening to him and Sarah Haider talking right now.
DickDastardly404
Sam Harris, the Neil DT of philosophy. Kind of an asshole and doesn't quite understand the point of what he's doing.
AloneInTheLight
Rofl
carbonpage
I pure straight hate Sam Harris, but damn do I respect him
ACanadianSalute
I think the pivotal point would be, do you support free speech, without qualifiers. Sam's a free speech warrior, and for that he's respected
disinfectantrum
Why do you hate him? Is it the whole objective morality thing?
Apparently the benefit of the doubt was poorly issued
So my original suspicion was that you were an Affleck clone and didn't have anything better as ammunition than that kind of shit. /2
tehwilsonator
No, it's the unconstrained apologia for racism thing.
Uh... what?
He's consistently hawkish about bombing the shit out of countries full of brown people just because he thinks Islam causes terrorism
grumplestiltzkin
Every time I see someone say they hate Harris, their reason is almost always based on a flat out lie. You're no different.
Harris is on record with tying religious belief to terrorism, and he has absolutely zero qualms about tying Islam directly to it. Both>>
He professes equal treatment, then treats practitioners of Islam as a monolith. It's classic xenophobia.
BarryGunt
what is common for the spider is chaos for the fly.
chezzyknytt
Case and point: A lot of rape going on in the animal kingdom.
ashipthatshipsshippingships
One bite should do it, if it is any consolation.
Yetiphobia
Since it's in most cases objectively natural to be thus eaten, your next problem is to provide a sound argument that it's objectively bad.
Yetiphobia
All these downvotes, but nobody catching that it was sort of a joke about a philosophical question.
itwasbuilticame
It's 'good' too! ... when it happens to people I hate
kiruwa
My usual example is smallpox
Piepersonsmom
Today someone recommended Bear spray, while another said it was just human hot sauce.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
Not if those berries you picked, which are a shade of white and may be poisonous, kill you first. Nature!
DefenderOfDog
Having dog is both natural and good and fair bear detectors
MachineInterface
"Natural" is a set that includes everything, "good" is a set that includes nothing
daelythm
Of course you are right when dealing with absolutes. I just say that our human minds were meant for good. Even relative good has value to me
yapyapblahblahdribbledribbledribble
Hurricanes are also natural, good luck eating one of those.
Bundacious
Bears don't normally kill and eat people. Everybody I know who was attacked by a bear is still alive.
SomeDetroitGuy
Odd, I dont know a single person who has survived a bear attack.
CowboyZ
What about all the people you never met because they were killed and eaten by a bear?
TheLeifOfTheParty
It's good for the bear
terrorofthederp
The gap under the bears head looks like a large man is led on the ground looking up at the bear
captainfuckingobvious
Indeed it does
Zixtank
Do bears even eat people though? I thought they just beat them to death for stepping on their property.
icelandicsealbear
ARSENIC IS PERFECTLY NATURAL
zackofspades
That "into the Wild" dude died a natural death...essentially a suicide of stupidity, but natural af
TakamiStitches
Wait, what? Someone filming wildlife survival actually died from lack of prep? 'Recently' at that?
theitinerantnaturalist
His whole point was to be underprepared. He found out why that's not really reasonable.
zackofspades
A lesson you can only learn once. Whoops.
theitinerantnaturalist
Main two mistakes being: not bothering to look up changes in river depth and volume, and purposely ditching his map
zackofspades
Arrogance is a hell of a drug.
Sheepyhead
"natural" means nothing, humans aren't above nature.
burningcouchwv
Truth
LosPer
Sam Harris is great. Read some of his books...
thegrimtrigger
His podcast is excellent as well.
BarrackHusseinIslamabama
The podcast is very nice, most people that dislike Sam either think he's boring or haven't listened to him themselves.
Deadpolio
"Whateva! I do what I want!" - Grizzly Man
FuzzyMedic
The Werner Hertzog documentary? Yeah, that guy was stupid.
Aathole
Chased a bear with a hachet once. Did not die......should have. All over taking a damned picture
KnightWhoSaidNi
It also seems VERY natural too me to stay the flip away from bear territory
OldGreggsBloodyMangina
I live in bear country, not an option for me.
TheDivineUsersub
As an Alaskan resident, our territories kind of overlap...
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DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
wat?
Strostkovy
That depends on if you and the bear share a natural habitat.
HahaWubalubadubdubHaha
No i think the bear is going to maul you in just about any habitat
Strostkovy
Yeah but if a bear mauls you in a cathedral it's it's not very natural
HahaWubalubadubdubHaha
The bear doesn't know it's in a cathedral. The bear doesn't even know what a cathedral is
Strostkovy
I meant Colosseum. But still, chickens don't know they are in a meat farm, but it's still not natural
HahaWubalubadubdubHaha
Well you've got me there, that's actually pretty bulletproof
sosume
Same goes for "Organic." Arsenic is organic.
sosume
Actually elemental Arsenic is prohibited by USDA ยง205.602 - Nonsynthetic substances prohibited for use in organic crop production. I lied.
MisterWho
Also, organs.
v
daelythm
And dihydrogen monoxide. Or so I've been told.
NotAnIroningBoard
I only eat gluten free arsenic though
themuttonisniceandlean
But is it free range?
Delrus
Uhh, actually organic means carbon based. So no, As is not organic. Nice try, though.
SomeDetroitGuy
From a dietary standpoint (which is clearly what was intended) that's incorrect.
LosPer
Ricin is organic
TheDivineUsersub
So, I could say "my cock is organic" and be accurate while making the same point?
SatansTesticles
Meth is organic
CrazyGuyOnABike
That's literally false.
SomeDetroitGuy
From a dietary standpoint, no. Organic rice contains arsenic.
CrazyGuyOnABike
"organic" means "a carbon-based compound sourced from a living organism". Last I checked, Arsenic wasn't that.
Delrus
Sam Harris, +1
Flixster
Listening to him and Sarah Haider talking right now.
DickDastardly404
Sam Harris, the Neil DT of philosophy. Kind of an asshole and doesn't quite understand the point of what he's doing.
AloneInTheLight
Rofl
carbonpage
I pure straight hate Sam Harris, but damn do I respect him
ACanadianSalute
I think the pivotal point would be, do you support free speech, without qualifiers. Sam's a free speech warrior, and for that he's respected
disinfectantrum
Why do you hate him? Is it the whole objective morality thing?
disinfectantrum
Apparently the benefit of the doubt was poorly issued
disinfectantrum
So my original suspicion was that you were an Affleck clone and didn't have anything better as ammunition than that kind of shit. /2
tehwilsonator
No, it's the unconstrained apologia for racism thing.
TheDivineUsersub
Uh... what?
tehwilsonator
He's consistently hawkish about bombing the shit out of countries full of brown people just because he thinks Islam causes terrorism
grumplestiltzkin
Every time I see someone say they hate Harris, their reason is almost always based on a flat out lie. You're no different.
tehwilsonator
Harris is on record with tying religious belief to terrorism, and he has absolutely zero qualms about tying Islam directly to it. Both>>
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tehwilsonator
He professes equal treatment, then treats practitioners of Islam as a monolith. It's classic xenophobia.