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Jun 23, 2020 8:59 PM
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rtgensler11
Nothing get better workers and better work out of people like cutting pay!
frozensoul94
In third world countries its almost expected by the cops to receive bribes. Then again also 0 oversight and they could just kill you.
LoTRFanatic42
Politicians want you to believe that "defund" means "abolish," but they've been defunding schools for decades.
sadurdaynight
Cut funding on things that proactively create better society, so you get stuck over-spending on things to keep it in line. Makes sense. /s
Winntir
"We call that the September surprise."
imadoctornotamechanic
well were trying to cut the fucking duties too
Br0doSwaggins
78Hamster
We're going to end up with cops found in Mexico. That is worse, I promise. Unless you have cash, I guess it will be okay for u then.
chrisjohnson76
They got all the city's money now and still ain't doing their job
therainmon
Maybe because teachers care about people and the lives they have ahead of them while the police do not...
u2bist
I like the nurse who posted that she subdues drunk, drugged up, panicky belligerent people all the time and hasn't killed anyone yet.
ThailandExpress
atomiccheesegod
But but..but who is gonna fine people for having tinted windows?
WhoaaBlackBetty
Box tops for cops, coming soon!
ThatOnesIrrelevant
Why do you think Americans are so dumb lmao
TheNoirAntagonist
if we didn't cut other programs like mental health programs and stuff maybe there wouldn't be as much job for them to do?
ChinesiumWuhanJones
Because that’s what the average cop and teacher look like.
folkscallmehi
As a former teacher, this is nonsense. There is no comparison bw what can happen when ISD funding vs police funding gets cuts. FOH
Tonanamous
Bad example. Not a single high school student in all of Baltimore City schools is proficient in math. So it won't work for schools OR cops
blackmar
You need funding to beat civilians? Just use your fist
VresiBerba
So... is defunding bad or is defunding good? What's the message here?
YourMomsSidePiece
The US spends nearly $14,000/student/year. Maybe schools should start spending that money more wisely before asking for more.
YourMomsSidePiece
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=66
YourMomsSidePiece
There's some irony in people who claim to be pro education downvoting a source because they don't like the facts it shows.
LeftyLeftLeft
The police can just hold some bake sales. Maybe have the people they shoot supply their own bullets. Works for teachers.
keebs63
Or maybe neither should have to buy their own shit. We're the richest country in the world, it's time to stop pretending we can't do that.
Domehammer
"So were building a new stadium and giving the principal a raise, we had to cut your funding." -People in charge of schools
GinM17
Former public school teacher - can confirm.
BannedGeek
I teach in a public charter (still funded by DoE, etc...) and last year our principal gave himself a promotion to 'Executive Director' 1/2
ObiHaiv
That's a public charter for you. Funded by the DoE, but funded differently. At least here in Florida, it is. Different set of rules.
BannedGeek
20k or so raise for himself, a shit ton less student interaction, and more work for the real admins in the building. 2/2
BrazilianThunderPanda
You want to know why they need so much money? Newspaper here did a FOIA for Seattle city police salaries:
GiantSquanchy
https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Police_Lieutenant/Salary lieutenants make avg like 79k. Wtf is going on in Seattle?
BrazilianThunderPanda
LOL that’s site is VERY wrong starting Officer pay in Seattle is $85K
GiantSquanchy
Not for Seattle, that link was for national avg. I was commenting that those making 200-300k are way above the average, outrageously so.
BrazilianThunderPanda
Ah yeah I have no fucking idea. Even with our high cost of living that’s insane.
fluffmeister
Check your voter registration at vote.org and 16 years or older can register so voting can start as soon as youre 18.
thevortexmaster
I do! I'll vote in the next election in 2023!
fluffmeister
fluffmeister
Also don't forget that there are elections for your local government too that have a big impact, vote in those elections too
thevortexmaster
I vote in all for sure. Electing a prime minister here is also voting really for your local representative at the same time
fluffmeister
Fuck yeah!
thevortexmaster
DontDoWhatDonaldDontDoes
Yeah, but teachers don't have to deal with crazy people with gu... oh, right.
SupraLove
DeathandtheMaiden
WeaponOfMemeDankitude
SgtJohnsonsJohnson
Defunding police just means more speeding and parking tickets. Theyll get their revenue from us one way or another
wekilledbambi03
Defunding the police would mean making practices like this illegal. They shouldn’t be paid by the # of crimes. It encourages over policing.
Frankasti
De-funding police means paying a social worker to go talk to annoying homeless dudes instead of sending cops with guns.
MaoZedong
I mean Corona virus ended school shootings
ThePunisherJB3
No, it's just more work now. You have to go door to door, ask for your classmates, and then shoot them. Honestly Covid is running society.
Fuckme721
Lmao ?. Ohhhh that's dark.
DogGuyInCatWorld
Teachers bring their own supplies so why can't police bring their own bullets to distribute.
FuttBuckit
Probably because they would use more dangerous rounds like hollow points and kill more people
VresiBerba
But teachers having to bring their own supplies is being touted as a bad thing, yeah, so why would this be good for police?
Arcticstorm141
I wonder how those hallow points got in my mag, huh...
KnightCommanderRahl
Hunting Undead and Daemons? /s
MissMittens
Serving and protecting the living
keebs63
Cops already use hollowpoints as standard, far less chance of overpenetration which is obviously important.
Arcticstorm141
Oh wow you're right, I learned something today
packardcaribien
The US spends $2155 per year on public education per capita ($12500 per student, more than most of Europe) but $353 per capita on police.
Samja192
I get what you are saying - but which schools get that money? Schools don't get 12500 per student. Some schools get vastly less.
IceCracker
We don't facts on imgur, it's all about feelings and outrage.
CandyMan92
You expect the people on Imgur to accept facts? Are you feeling ok?
packardcaribien
Just a little more optimistic than usual I guess. Plopping down facts and seeing people deny them is usually entertaining, if pointless.
CandyMan92
I mean, thats kinda why I troll on here, I'm typically never actually serious lol
whadupdalg
Teachers wouldn’t last a week as a cop. To equate the two jobs is ridiculous.
napzack
And yet we’re shit in STEM
packardcaribien
It's not exactly terrible (https://www.nsf.gov/nsb/sei/edTool/data/highschool-08.html) but yes there's something rotten in our school 1/2
packardcaribien
system that more money cannot fix, given we already spend more than almost all the countries that outperform us. Any idea what it could be?
GinM17
At my school we didn't have enough books for all students and made due with broken furniture. Coach to football player ratio was 1:2.
packardcaribien
Well that can only be fixed with priority changes at the school board/superintendent level, not w/ more top-down funding like everyone wants
AVaultDwellerNamedNONE
Okay, but a teacher spends hours with the same students every day. I can count on one hand how many encounters I’ve had with the police.
packardcaribien
Just putting things into context for everyone saying defunding police will provide enough to revolutionize education and social programs.
packardcaribien
So yes, ofc schools need more $ than police, but given the US spends plenty with little to show, means education has problems $ won't solve.
MichaelHames
It’s as if no one looks up data
SynMonger
So what?
packardcaribien
Merely a statement of fact, take what you may. I conclude redirecting police funding (inflated or not) to education will make no difference.
SynMonger
You conclude wrong.
packardcaribien
Pray tell. How would, oh say, $100 more per student per year make all the difference when we already fail to match Europe with $3000 more?
SynMonger
No.
CommanderCaribou
It's funny because I feel like our teachers were better funded we might have a lower crime by design, so people can obtain degrees and jobs
CommanderCaribou
By way of having a deeper understanding and respect for their own education. And others. A vicious cycle so it seems
DarthPotatus
It's a great sentiment, but education already has great funding. It just needs better allocation of those funds. Some schools get everything
DarthPotatus
While schools in shit neighborhoods get fuck all. That is what is creating the cycle of poor education, crime, and poverty.
napzack
When you see that the majority of taxes goes to education you’ll realize money doesn’t solve the issue. At least in my state.
PastureofMuppets
Education is a huge bucket with alot of areas. The elementary school i went to was overcrowded and each student got less time per teacher 1/
PastureofMuppets
The 4th and 5th grades were squished into one class because th other whole 5th grade room was full. That half of 5th graders should have 2/
PastureofMuppets
had their own room and teacher, but instead they were squeezed into one of the nearly full 4th grade classes, with 1 teacher for the room 3/
PastureofMuppets
Money would have TOTALLY fixed that. Also the school library was a small trailer. For a K-6 w about 500 students. Low-lowmid income suburb.
HollyRex
Teachers are overworked, underpaid, and under supported. The money isn’t going to them. Allocation of funds is the issue.
HollyRex
The people on the board shouldn’t have multiple houses and cars, while teachers buy supplies and work unpaid overtime.
napzack
We have officials earning more than $100k bonus because they don’t use sick time. The Administration is the problem not the teachers.
HollyRex
Right. That’s my point too. People see all this money going towards education and say it’s not fixing anything. I argue that’s because it’s
HollyRex
not making it to the teachers (to pay us what we’re really worth or fund support for us). Instead the board and admins get extra vacations.