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Mar 26, 2025 8:52 PM
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vodkaho
There are ALWAYS men like you.
tchoukiwalimou
History said, first who stand up is dead.
CyberHexx
AND UNIONIZE!
BonnieFlut
Where there's a whip, there's a way
bahnapa
The TV production mangled that line. Tolkien's original phrase was much cleverer: "Where there's a whip there's a will." It was a corollary to the old saw "Where there's a will there's a way."
BonnieFlut
Unsure metaphorically it makes much of a difference. Perhaps way rhyming with nay was the reason for altercation.
UnlimitedTrickPony
depends on your interpretation ... what do you see in that picture? "resist Trump" or "resist the woke mind virus"? ... and if you tell me, that only your opinion is valid ... then you are the guy with the whip
devolutionary
The problem with your example is that one of those two things is real, and the other is not.
UnimpressedButNaked
One side wants to eradicate people. One side wants to exist.
GoodBrotherGrimm
Oh for fucks sake.
ProfFurryPaws
howimetyourauntrobin2
guardian19d
psmith00
KleptoKea
The rest of the world knows how this works. You Americans need to catch the fuck up. Where are the spines of even one single million of your 340 million people??? Every day you don't rise up is another day you collectively betray your own children to a fascist dictatorship, and betray Ukraine, and betray the Free World.
KnorkBax
'The rest of the world' you say? *looks at a map* hmm, no most countries do not
KleptoKea
The Turks, Hungarians, Serbians, Germans, French, South Koreans and the Kiwis are just a small part of a large list of examples of populations who do not tolerate a fraction of what Americans normalise.
MediocreExtremist
I agree, Americans are very passive about this.
Hercules99
A whip is easier to resist than machine guns.
AZRAELSBLADE
Gotta start somewhere
shadowmega
Then get on your knees and try to enjoy
shieldsjimmy7
They have to reload some time constant and heavy pressure can over come anything given the time
ThanksForTheThing
ZeroGat
giraffinator
Thankfully the US is riddled with em
Kingdomonsterdeath
It is until the machine gun jams or runs out of bullets. Then it is just a paperweight.
Gnakenheimer
But until then it's a murder machine
KommanderKayriel
And if you're not fighting back then you're part of the murder machine until it kills you, too.
LuminoZero
Contrary to popular belief, most human beings are not willing to machine gun down a crowd of their neighbors.
SpectreA19
The "most" is what I'm worried about at this point.
ViviAdorkable
The Nazi's were a minority. They still conquered most of Europe and killed millions.
It doesnt take a majority. Just a few in the right position of power.
LuminoZero
Because the Germans didn't stand up to them. The rank and file LET them get that bad.
A dictator is ONE man. Without legions and legions of normal people to carry out their will, they are powerless. People need the courage to stand up and say no.
ViviAdorkable
Because, no one stands up in history, ever, until its the only option. No one wants to risk death if there is a chance of a less risky option working even if its unlikely to change anything.
Its not about simple courage, people arent desperate enough to risk it all, yet.
Sheldonian
And yet, the metaphor stands
Xerxes4242
No, it really doesn't. We're so far past the point of resistance being effective, I don't think you guys understand.
Sheldonian
I don't think you understand what is been said here, historically, resistance and by consequence revolution is how things change when there's an oppressor
Xerxes4242
The Nazis wern't defeated because of the German resistance. And they only had a fraction of the concentrated power we're talking about now.
Sheldonian
You think any of those movements come out of thin air, one day everyone goes from doing nothing to everyone coming together against one enemy? No it's out of groups forming everywhere demanding change, gathering more people and governments that then form Alliances if it's an international threat
FaptainPicard
Unlike the people gunned down
Yellowchopsticks
What if we resist with machine guns?
ToSisPoS
The gun lobby gets very angry
SpectreA19
Fuck em. Get trained, get equipped (within your means), and most importantly, get as much practice and further training as you can
ToSisPoS
Oh I misread. I thought it said “what if we resist machine guns?”
Gibleteousjack
At the rate we're going the local 7/11 with sell them in vending machines like cyberpunk in 6 months already doing it with ammo down here.
MediocreExtremist
* this does not include the dead bodies from the first few hundred that resist
mrose50
Nor the last panel with the whip bearer impaled on a spike for said murders.
ThanksForTheThing
KawaiiInari
One who is willing to resist understands the sacrifice.
monkeyfly
I volunteer.
WoeToHice
I once read an explanation about suicide that stayed with me. The author talked about people who jumped from the Twin Towers on 9/11 and explained that they didn't do so because they thought they would survive, but because the prospect of burning to death was more unbearable than the prospect of jumping. The reason why I mention this is because that's also how uprisings work. The people who rise up are those who can't bear staying down anymore and have nowhere to run.
InTangier
This is a pretty interesting parallel. This is corroborated by a long and rich history of peasant uprisings everywhere, when folks barely had clothes to wear. You make people desperate enough, you'll get some who will push back no matter the cost.
There's also the stories in the US about those coal miners who wanted to unionize and ended up fighting against the US national guard. More Americans should know about that instead of the weird worship of the "founding fathers".
PrincessBatCat
This is why it will get to the point of bloodshed, but no amount of "just riot!" or "protests don't do anything, do more!" will help speed that process up. If there us a better alternative, then people will not push back with force. Once it reaches the point where death is the better outcome, when there is nothing left to lose, that's when people will start to get violent. It happened with Luigi, it will happen with this.
AnerDyfan
Or all the dead bodies like in Sparticus.
crapybarra
What happened to the Roman Empire?
AnerDyfan
It survived for another 400 years, with parts lasting another 1400
crapybarra
So a couple hundred bodies
DinkyDoinky
Tops
Varenvel
this might surprise Americans and imgurians but soviet union "fell apart" with less , when Solidarity protests started in poland who began whole "fall of soviet union" only about 40 people lost their life in poland , while i cant say how many died in protests in Germany and Baltics less died then you expect , https://youtu.be/d_St3QZajJ4
So rise up.
Varenvel
This is a lot because every person who died became martyrs who made people protest even more.
MaleProstateMilker88
Getting Americans to rise up for anything is impossible because they've decided that they can't do it even before they were born. The closest to changing things by resistance they got was the George Floyd protests, but generally Americans are defeatist and they don't wanna do anything that would "rock the boat", which perfectly portrays the second one of their two political system, the democrats. They also love to talk but aren't actually interested in doing anything.
FPAlpha
Counterargument China and the Tian An Men Square massacre.
There are no solid and provable casualty numbers but the Red Cross estimates up to 2600 dead and 7000 wounded.
It is by no means safe to rise up - you don't know how quickly it will spread to numbers that no state can hope to squash and if it's local chances are you will simply be arrested or even gunned down in extreme cases.
Varenvel
Fight for freedom is never guarantee you will make it out , you wont ever be free man if you live in dictatorship or be oppressed like in USA now , being complicit or passive will never earn your freedom back it only preserves power of these in power. communism killed a lot people , but if my country would be sulking over how many people would die , eastern europe , baltics , balkans would never be free , freedom has a prize. question you want to pay it. id sugest you watch the link from erlier
FPAlpha
I was born 1975 in Europe and i have lived through all of that. Europe got lucky that Gorbachev was at the helm during this time and the Soviets were in a steep decline.
If there had been a hardliner from the 50s and 60s at the helm in the Kreml things might have worked out quite differently i'm afraid.
Though i'm 100% sure that no dictator can hold it indefinitely, sooner or later they will squeeze too hard and people will rise up. It just has to sometimes get real bad before they do.
BrdCdn
Not really. Democracy is not the default nor inevitable. Dictatorships are the more common government type in history and most Dictators die of old age.
Varenvel
I live in town next to Gdansk , and while gorbachev helped , ultimetly russia crisis contributed more to fall of soviet union , while he indeed helped a lot during the process , even without him we would be free
more people ould likely die and freedom would come later , but even without him we would be free.
OwlXiozee
Easy to say. I have doubts that your walk is as strong as your talk.
Alurkerforcedtologin
*The sound of children screaming has been removed*
cantevenbewhenicantevenpee
In the US going to school can be as dangerous as going shark diving covering in open wounds
gearsmith
We've installed gutters so the blood of the innocent will no longer flow freely down the streets; it now flows under them.
StarscreamAndHutch
MasterMookie
I bet he isn't on the governments side after this one. He could still be voting Republican like an idiot though.
RaytheForgetful
Why do you assume he's a Republican? /gen question
MasterMookie
He is wearing a cap and has a American flag tattoo. I know profiling is bad but I judge what people wear and tattoos are included in that. People choose what they wear. Nationalistic goes hand in hand with Republicans.
sunyudai
'could be' is not an assumption.
ThrowingSchadenfreude
Trump got twice as many votes as Harris in the county that includes Uvalde. I would hope this man wouldn't be voting Republican, but I'd also have bet on this community rejecting Republicans & incumbents...and been very wrong.
https://www.uvaldeleadernews.com/articles/over-60-of-county-voters-favor-incumbents-in-state-races/