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Mar 21, 2023 2:44 PM
SisterMidnight
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morninggloryshade777
Oooh, good Q!
nothingtolurkhere
CobainsSarcoma
no that's different because reasons and such furthermore comma freedom christian soldiers flag. Eagle.
jamesx
But the thing is, Murder is not against their religion.... /s
Abraxaz777
Yes! I’m waiting for the day when heterosexual couples start getting arrested. They alone are responsible for most gay people. Just saying 🤣
Abraxaz777
Edit…they alone are responsible for making most of the gay population.
bangonsteve0
Maybe the makers of guns should have to keep a record of where their guns are?
imyourrealdad
Of course it does
BillHubbard
Yes, the shopkeeper, manufacturer and politicians making the purchase of the firearm and/or bullets possible are all responsible.
HowlingCrow
No guys. That's totally different. Totally. Different.
reksu
Hypocrisy is virtue to them A stall tactic to tire the opposition They dont care if find fault in their logic Punch a nazi Write humane laws
cinecito360
Of course it does.
zHurk777
That's Different !!! - magas. ..... >>>
zHurk777
>>> Reference magas who said trump voting by mail was different than Democrats voting by mail.
Gargantubrain43
by the transitive property, YES
BeckyLookAtHerButt
Trans?
Bigdaddykane99
Yes. Trains 🚊
Shifuede
Imapseudonym
It does if they knew the intention was to kill other people.
JodyBird
It's a gun. That's what they're for.
Imapseudonym
Guns are also for hunting and target practice. If they ask what your intended use is and you say "I'm going to shoot someone" they are1/2
Imapseudonym
legally required to not sell you that weapon. If they did the. They would be accomplices to murder.
unluckyandbored
Yes, it absolutely does.
z1chefdaddy1
See also dram shop laws
NunyaBizness
YES !!!
JahNoodles
Yea but this is America, GOD is always on outside /s
chiechien
Participating in firearm murder is the most important Republican Jesus sacrament.
RecurringNightmare
by that logic a muslim could refuse to sell beer to you, a jew to sell bacon, a hindu beef...enjoy your sober poultry BBQ 'christians'... ^^
Abraxaz777
Priorities! Mentioning,”Sober” could “out” the studies that prove that Alcohol kills more women and children than Drag Queen Story Hour.
mrsparkle001
Nope, unless the gun store owner knew the gun he was selling was for a murder OR the baker didn't know what the cake was to be used for.
MotoCanuck
Yes, as well as the pricks who made it legal.
Stefnos
yes
AnniCannibal
Well if a bar over-serves somebody and they go out and get in a wreck, the bar is liable under the law, soooo
OliverOtter
Just as a gun store could be liable if they sold a gun to someone who told them he was going to use it to kill his wife. They can tell (1/2)
OliverOtter
if someone is acting drunk, or how many rounds he had. Otherwise, the bar isn't liable. Without knowledge, the gun shop isn't either. (2/2)
Icantthinkofacleverusernametouse
No, cause... see it's not that simple... hold on, have a talking point for this /drops note cards... um TRANSGENDERS IN THE BATHROOM!!!
CGWN
A baker can assume that a gay wedding cake is intended for a gay wedding. A gun shop can't always assume that a gun will be used for murder.
Icantthinkofacleverusernametouse
There it is, whew thanks! /scoops up notecards
bardman135
Yeah, for example, I bought MY gun as a gay wedding present.
CGWN
I support the right of gays to use guns to protect their Arab hashish.
mistermixelpix
No, not unless the store knew that the customer was going to kill someone with it. I'm anti-gun and pro-gay cake but this is a BAD argument.
ThailandExpress
real Christians dont use guns, they turn the other cheek
TheNoirAntagonist
Depends on the gun being sold you can imply intent when you get high capacity magazines and armor piercing rounds and fully automatic guns.
iputthefiresout
Please show me where in America I can walk into a store and buy a fully automatic weapon
AxelBeingCivil
If they knew what it's for, yes, and that is indeed a crime. Bit of ignorance on display here.
MarsIsAfire
So you're saying just don't tell the baker you're going to shoot their cake?
psmith00
no, don't tell the baker that you're using the cake to shoot someone.
Simusar
But what if the cake has school children decorated on it?
PutThePRNDLinD
Many 'accidental' deaths create legal liability. It makes not one bit of sense that intentional deaths often don't. A firearm death isn't...
unluckyandbored
Guns are designed to kill. If the gun kills, it's working as intended. Ban the goddamn guns.
hwatL4bloopy
This isn't a post about legal liability. By their argument they participated in murder which is a no no in their faith. But it's ok...
tgiaa
Thou shalt not kill?
hwatL4bloopy
According to picking and choosing and grace over law.
PutThePRNDLinD
an accident; it's an example of a product working as designed.
ProphetofEntropy
guns are designed for them to be safe for the operator to use, not others. but america does need more gun control.
gilliamv
"gun control" is the big bad words. More accurately, "gun education". My example: kids at anime cons w prop guns, no finger discipline.
OliverOtter
Rifles are generally designed to kill hoofstock. Misusing them to kill humans is not an example of them working as designed.
mistermixelpix
Yes, guns were designed for harm, but they aren't intended for CRIME. Unless the store reasonably knew a crime was the intention.
sharkhugs
*buys an assault rifle without a background check* “Don’t worry it’s for huntin”
PutThePRNDLinD
I hear you, but in a vehicular death the driver, the municipality, the vehicle manufacturer, etc. are all potentially on the hook.
kerrigan778
The vehicle manufacturer is only on the hook if the car had a design flaw that contributed to the accidents or injuries.
goxpal350
Ah no. If not all the alcohol companies would have been sued out of existence by now. People make decisions they are responsible.
AsheLake
Then I should be allowed to sell flamethrowers and fireworks. If some dork burns down a forest or blows up their neighbors.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
C141Clay
The user of any properly functioning device (car/gun/whatever), not the device - bears the blame for misuse or crimes committed.
PutThePRNDLinD
Firearms manufacturers do not deserve the protected status that they enjoy.
C141Clay
That was a good act, it's makes good sense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_in_Arms_Act
PutThePRNDLinD
Drunk driving enforcement increased exponentially after people started litigating drunk driving deaths and injuries.
mistermixelpix
ONLY if there were faults in the manufacturing or the roads, and the dealership is NEVER responsible for selling the car.
mistermixelpix
Like if a self-driving car swerves into pedestrians, yes. But when that guy drove his truck into protesters the company who made it wasn't.
PutThePRNDLinD
At this point I'd refer you back to what you wrote: "designed for harm". Designed for harm, but held harmless...you can see how that sounds.
Fancypants9000
I this again? It wasn’t about the sell of the cake. They offered to sell a blank cake. Even referred to another baker. The decoration was…
Fancypants9000
the issue. And it depends on if you perceive cake decoration as an art form. As an artist I can relate to this somewhat. This always has…
Fancypants9000
a misleading title to say they refused a sale. Should a painter be also sued for refusal to paint something?
ZebraCockSandwich
thank you. I am also an artist and have had this SAME conversation. So by this standard if a guy asked me to draw gay porn for him am I 1/
ZebraCockSandwich
not allowed to say "No, I don't want to draw gay porn"? doesn't mean I hate gay people, I just don't want to draw your porn dude. No 2/
ZebraCockSandwich
person or business owner is obligated to take on every client that comes to them, most will because they want money, but if something 3/
Hamfighter
Also other bakers including lgbt ones were happy to bake their cake, but they refused, they were kinda being pricks.
Rascael
yes...
KillerTofu69
Spoiler alert: they don't care.
gilliamv
Here, you forgot this :) ...
philsnow
P -> Q can be true even if P is never true
Abraxaz777
🤣