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givemefakeinternetpointsplease
The vast majority of tape claims are not false... but you wouldn’t know that from Imgur front page.
StalkerMagnet
Woman getting punished? False rape allegations? See y'all on the front page.
raidleadergutts
A piece of shit getting punished? Rape? See y'all on the front page.* There, I fixed it for you.
Valkhi
Good.
Kiore
Someone who did something illegal got convicted. How novel.
raidleadergutts
Eh, it's rare for a woman to get convicted for this. Most of the time, they go free.
totalwiener
...you got any numbers to back that up?
SpaceCowboyHappy
Seriously need to start making these people placed on sex offender lists
BanesOnAPlane
I agree. A “Cry Wolf” doctrine of sorts.
seeingsalty
I worry of retaliatory litigation against actual victims who lose in court. Slippery slope argument but even so, I can see it being abused.
Threeleggedcow
FINALLY! Some protection for men against this shit. False rape claims completely ruin a dudes life, this bitch deserves every second.
preaction
We've always had protection against "this shit". False or true rape claims rarely ruin lives of the accused (but often do to the victim).
preaction
Case in point: Asia Argento fleeing Italy after speaking out about Harvey Weinstein: http://nyti.ms/2l4pBLT
ifmusicbethefoodofloveplayon
What do you mean by 'case in point'?
krypticz
Ha. Fucking good you cunt.
Forgotmyoldaccountbutohwell
Good. But this needs to become the norm because these horrible people cannot be allowed to do this anymore.
pagingdrbob
I wonder what is more prevalent, false claims of sexual abuse in the military... or factually based ones?
pagingdrbob
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault_in_the_United_States_military V V
pagingdrbob
"At least 25% of U.S. military women have been sexually assaulted, and up to 80% have been sexually harassed."
pagingdrbob
Cheers
Kafua
Good, if you falsely accuse someone of a crime especially one as heinous as this you should be penalized for it.
DaggertheFox
She should also be placed on the sex offender registry
SundaysOnthePhonetoMonday
I'm glad she's going to jail and all, but imgur is simply obsessed with false accusations of rape
kelleykakes
Good!
kissmyash
Much deserved
unpopularreaction
Just curious how they proved it was false
Gunthervonhinten
The source is right there dude
MnightShariaLaw
Innocent before proven guilty. There was probably 0 evidence. Rape victims usually have physical wounds and other bodily evidence.
unpopularreaction
Innocent til proven guilty should work the other way too. Unless she confessed to lying, what physical evidence did they have that she did?
JAFO69
Just as he was about to be sentenced, her conscience finally kicked in and she confessed that she made the whole thing up.
Memes4Cheap
conspiracy to ruin someones life sound like more than 5 years type of crime
UnbreakableDNice
But actually ruining someone’s life by raping them is a 3month type of crime? #brockturner
raidleadergutts
"Some male escaped justice?!? LET'S LET ALL WOMEN OFF THE HOOK!!" - UnbreakableDNice 2017
BriefausdemGeist
6Oh4
Good. She tried to ruin someone's life. Glad she got punished for it.
raidleadergutts
Only five years. The human trash should've gotten more. She'll get out in 5 & definitely do more of the same.
6Oh4
I got down voted 2x for my post. I'm curious who they are and why they think I'm wrong. Do they think she was treated unfairly?
esatz4
She is a piece of poo
happytreeleaf
Stinky poo
EyeSirius
Beautifully put
RotundYoshi
Dude calm down, that sorta language isn't appreciated here.
iamdeadlol
She is a piece of shit
DoctorWh0m
that's better
DetectiveSherlockHolmes
Please watch your language, this is a Christian site.
chinesemario
A real dingus
mmartin762
Indeed.
shoulkion
A step in the right direction.
SirBaldrick
Ahhhhh good to see Imgur caring about the false accusers. Keep circle jerking
raidleadergutts
Ahhhhh good to see Imgur caring about rape.* There, I fixed it for you.
ifmusicbethefoodofloveplayon
It's amazing to see false rape accusers getting tons of attention here and elsewhere but not actual rapists.
illegalacorn
If brock turner's sentence was somehow overruled and become 6 years instead of 6 months I'd bet my entire life savings it would hit FP
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
And this is a news story because of the statistical prevalence of this over say, actual sexual assaults.or unreported assaults.
XoxSmotpokerxoX
Well there is nothing to be said over unreported statistics. But fake claims range %20 to %40 of all claims
storebrandproductmascot
Oh bullshit.
Asteroidrules
Actually 2-6%.
preaction
[citation needed]
DirtRockets
That is unequivocally wrong. The most accurate number is 8%. While high (higher than any other crime), it is not *nearly* what you claim.
XoxSmotpokerxoX
Check the study from Eugene Kanin from Purdue.
illegalacorn
That's only for what can be proven maliciously false. What can be proven right is also small, ~60-75% unaccounted for. Extrapolate...
DirtRockets
That's a wildly idiotic extrapolation to make. You don't extrapolate data by assuming that unaccounted for samples must only be composed of
illegalacorn
That's a wildly idiotic assumption to make. Of fucking course you keep it proportional, dumbass. Still massive increase in expected false.
DirtRockets
one possible outcome. The correct thing to do is assume that the sample is representative (it usually is if the sampling is sound), which
raidleadergutts
Yeah, because those are TOTALLY not blasted all over the news, while we hear about false accusations daily. /s
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
You have confused anecdotal experience with statistical prevalence.
oooooooooof
Genuine question: what are the stats on false rape accusations, generally speaking? Like, 1/10, 1/100...?
AliceTbag
Yeah the concerning thing are the accusations that aren't officially made, i.e not police reported by still life ruining.
boneclawmother
It's roughly the same as false accusations as every other crime. 2%. So, 2 out of every 1000 accusations.
XoxSmotpokerxoX
Those numbers are wrong though, there isn't enough info for real numbers. Several studies have found %20 to %40
orginelenaam
2% is 2 out of 100, not 2 out of 1000. Also, it's impossible to know this because it is very hard to prove an accusation is false or true.
boneclawmother
Also, not impossible. If a person accuses somebody specific and DNA disproves it, that would count.
orginelenaam
I'm not saying it's impossible in any case, just that it is impossible in every case, should have been clearer about that.
boneclawmother
Yeah sorry, mistype.
guardian19d
Was falsely accused of sexual harassment by a girl i rejected at my last job. I was fired the next day. They didn't even investigate.
jesusedgarhoover
This is why we need feminism!
guardian19d
Men have been branded with a certain stigma in this situation. I see that it is perpetuated by certain forms of feminism.
LoveBigD
Girls can never accuse me. I am gay as fuck! I love big cocks
ChristaE
LOL< best excuse ever, but you could still be nasty to people if you choose. You can haz the big cocks, send me the mediums? ;)
nothinbutcabbage
White bitches...
guardian19d
How'd you know? She is also blonde btw. In the end, those facts are irrelevant though.
teddyoctober
wrongful dismissal
ShamnusMcfee
Rofl you can't just say 'wrongful dismissal' everytime somebody gets fired. 99% his employment was at will
MalcomReynoldsWrap
So it was justified then? Speculation? I have an inkling you're a dickbag, so you should delete your account.
jfd8u438fdsfkds
You're fired!
raidleadergutts
Wrongful dismissal!
usedpatiofurniture
In Florida, we're considered a no-fault state. They can literally fire you for the color of your shirt and get away with it.
guardian19d
At-will state. It's like they can dismiss for no reason at all at anytime.
illegalacorn
if he was employed "at-will" which like 90% of everyone is, it won't accomplish shit
GeorgeHWBushsGhost
You can still sue in an at-will state and win. It's not an uncommon thing.
The5SecondFuse
Lets not go to America, tis a silly place.
brassknucklenerd
As a Canadian, what is "at will" employment?
LiuMeien
It's where you can get fired for just about anything.
DukeDarkwood
It's when employers have a clause that says they can fire a person without requiring a reason. It's distressingly common, and I'm not
DukeDarkwood
entirely sure what possible grounds could justify the creation of such a clause - what POSSIBLE scenario would make an at-will termination
guardian19d
I'm married BTW. That's the primary reason I rejected her.
Mumalot
Hopefully the job was a dime-a-dozen job... I'm sry if it was a GOOD job though :(
guardian19d
I do have a better job now. At the time it was one of my better paying jobs.
Dagrfinn
Marriage or not you should be able to reject someone without having to deal with this kind of shit.
guardian19d
I agree, however it was HR who didn't even listen to my defence.
doggobell
I'm so sorry that happened to you. She's shit.
guardian19d
Thank you.
lmarrs123
Sorry to hear that there are people/women like that. I cannot imagine doing that to a man or a woman.
guardian19d
I was blown-away by the whole thing. Sadly, no witnesses. It's like a guy has no defense these days when faced with such accusations.
BMuff
I just hope your wife didn't believe the bullshit. Sorry that happened to you.
guardian19d
It took some explaining but she understood.
mineovermatter
Btdt. And had witnesses that it was HER talking shit and I said nothing.
guardian19d
I spoke with HR and i could tell they made their judgement before i had a say. I worked there happily for 3 months. She was there 1 week.
TheEightfoldPath
I'm guessing no money to spare for a lawsuit?
XoxSmotpokerxoX
I was fired for asking a woman nicely, to not break the law. She said my nagging made her uncomfortable. It was twice, a month apart.
jfd8u438fdsfkds
did you sue?
XoxSmotpokerxoX
Was in a right to work state
intaglioguy
Document, document, document.
XoxSmotpokerxoX
And actually the 2nd time it was just asking her not to force college interns to break the law for her.
Webel
Brake the law how?
mrbossavage
Yes
XoxSmotpokerxoX
It was plagiarism, which yes I know is not something that is they arrest you for. But in the news industry people could still get hurt
DenaliRaven
Break
YouTwoStayHereAndMakeSureHeDoesntLeave
How long would he have gotten if convicted? She should get the same amount.
LapisScarab
That isn't how law or justice work. Committing rape and lying about it are fundamentally different crimes.
SethReborn
inst punishment related to the consequences of the crime? in this case the consequences were life destroying for him.
LapisScarab
Certainly that's a factor, but it's not the *only* factor.
DirtRockets
Depends on the severity of the lie. It could range from defamation per se as a civil tort if it's just gossip, to criminal defamation (which
DirtRockets
is very rare), to perjury, to filing a false report, to perverting the course of justice or a similar statute. California, for example, used
DirtRockets
to have the death penalty as an option for perjury, if you perjured yourself in a capital case.
LapisScarab
Equal in that they're both colossal piece of shit things to do, but that's where the similarities end.
LapisScarab
It's the same reason we have degrees of murder, for example. Nuance is important in how justice is delivered.
raidleadergutts
If we have degrees of murder, there should be degrees of lies. Subhuman filth who lie like this need to be punished accordingly.
DirtRockets
There are degrees of lies. In the UK, where this was committed, perverting the course of justice carries a maximum sentence of life.
proto99trees
Equal rights, equal fights
TritonPontus
Do this for every crime. It would definitely reduce false accusations.
DirtRockets
The UK handles perversion of justice fairly well. Partly because they've heavily depoliticized sexual assault. What wouldn't have been a sex
DirtRockets
crime before now is, charges are not gender-dependent, etc.
Camelspotting
I like how imgur is all 'rehabilitation not punishment' until something like this happens.
wadatahmydamie
Imgur has a lot of neckbeards with persecution complexes. Especially later at night. That’s why the title of this post is “Rights.”
cthulhaa
The same or less. Do you really think fraud/lying is worse than or even comparable to rape tho?
YouTwoStayHereAndMakeSureHeDoesntLeave
He would have gotten a dishonorable discharge, prison time and possibly raped in prison.
ilikeyourlight
Depends on the outcome of lies/fraud.
cthulhaa
Yeah, I think it depends on how far it goes. If the lie has actually caused prison then its a whole different story but before that? idk
ilikeyourlight
I should probably have said the potential outcome.
cthulhaa
the potential outcome isn't something that should be punishable though
SquirtleSquad420
in america? probably less.
DirtRockets
Perverting the course of justice carries a maximum sentence of life in prison.
Arsikere
i like how no one really answered your question. i wish i could answer myself, but i cant.
wadatahmydamie
Probably because it doesn’t matter.
Arsikere
that would be ideal, but sadly this is reality, and it does matter
wadatahmydamie
Nah. Two different crimes come with two different punishments. Your dumbassed line of “reasoning” comes up every time one of these is posted
ThatWillBuffOut
"How long would he have gotten if convicted?" the sentence depends on the circumstances of the crime, the judge follows guidelines...
ThatWillBuffOut
...and takes into account any mitigating or aggravating factors, factors in stuff like early pleas and remorse shown. But, since the crime..
ThatWillBuffOut
...didn't happen and their are no factors the question asked is a question without an answer.
XoxSmotpokerxoX
If we were going for same penalty, then she would be labled as a sex offender as well and have her life fucked
TGWolf
Well she tried to fuck him out of his freedom so...
aesthesia1
Actually that's not a bad idea. After all they'll slap the label on kids for having their own nudes.
Isuckedalotofpenisforthisname
Fair enough
thebrinkofdestruction
As she should
MnightShariaLaw
And? She tried to fuck his life over because she is a petty human being, so why shouldn't she get fucked over?
anarkhiya
That's more than fine with me. She nearly had a man labeled as such, and his just the same, if not more so. Golden fucking rule.
stonefalcon
Maybe that's what we need to stop all these fake accusations.
preaction
What "all these"?
stonefalcon
Keep hearing about these cases all the time. There was one where the guy was in jail for 5 years and she admitted it was a lie.
preaction
You mean OP's picture? And "I keep hearing about these cases" is not statistics. The statistics are that false accusations are rare.
preaction
You keep hearing about them because that's the narrative that people want to hear.
lelk
Why is the jail time for false accusations longer than actually raping someone...?
AliceTbag
Single offence by a single offender with no aggravating factors - 5 years minimum by CPS guidelines. Kindly stop spreading inflammatory BS.
raidleadergutts
They aren't. 99% of the time, women who falsely accuse get 0 punishment, while their victims have their lives ruined.
DirtRockets
It isn't. The sentence for rape in the UK, the jurisdiction this story applies to is a maximum of life in prison.
Marick2Die
The sentence for rape in England is under five years? US doesn't fuck around. That's serious time here.
AliceTbag
CPS guidelines 5 years is the absolute minimum. Which sounds about right to me. But I have a broader definition of rape than most.
Strasburg6592
Tell that to Brock Turner.
Marick2Die
Average sentencing is 8-9 years and in excess of 10 years for cases involving children.
OmnipotentBeing
Plus the pedos are on the sexual predator watch list for life.
cthulhaa
A case I knew the guy raped multiple people, had been in jail for rape before and got 7 years
cthulhaa
(This was in London)
ChristaE
GOOD question!
CountryMetal01
BLAH, BLAH
dontrike
Because the jail time isn't the only consequence of a potential false accusation. Lives are ruined far beyond jail after them.
OmnipotentBeing
Both crimes destroy a life. Rape is still worse, but she is getting what she deserves IMHO.
Tyrosine68
Good. False sexual assault accusations not only hurt the accused but also undermine legitimate complaints.
loltard
How so?
bigdaddyfatpants
I'm glad this happened. I would really like to see the falsely accused person sentence as the baseline and then add the 5 years.
Gomer592
damn right, the accusation boils blood, it can create an innocent murderer
Gomer592
to clarify, most fathers WILL kill a rapist for their daughters, and i think this is fair justice, rape hurts more than her
wingmanofmayhem
I took you to 3k upvotes. Call me Mr 3000.
QueensybLilpunk
Yes. So much yes
Timeandrelativedimensionsinspaghetti
It took awhile but the tide is turning on this madness
Kiore
Just like no one believes people who have been mugged or had their car nicked, and assume the worst of the complainant.
DirtRockets
Yes! That's called the just world hypothesis; it's a psychology bias (a coping mechanism/terror management mechanism) that tells us the
Kiore
I wasn't serious; people who report other crimes are absolutely not put through thing wringer anything like victims of abuse.
DirtRockets
Well then you were accidentally right even though you were trying to be wrong!
DirtRockets
world is a safe place as opposed to an arbitrary place. For all people harp about "rape culture" (not in the West, no -- Iran, India, sure)
DirtRockets
because of victim blaming, they cheerfully (calculatedly, I would say) ignore the fact that the same people who blame victims for rape also
DirtRockets
blame victims of murder, robbery, theft, illness, poverty -- including themselves, when they're victimized. It has zero to do with rape.
SonicKai7th
Also RIP social life.
DiabetesPorn
I like how this says “complaints”. Like “yea I just had an issue with someone who pushed me against the wall and groped me and I just wan1/2
DiabetesPorn
ted to let management know that next time they should be a little more gentle. Thank you so much.”
ORCNOTPORK
Not to mention the stain of that false accusation will follow and affect their lives forever regardless of the falsehood.
YourSelfMan
aflarge
Yupyup. People are just itching for an excuse to hate each other. They live without principles and latch on to any statement that feels good
Nuka7up
That is really true. I'm 40 and I still don't know why it is like this.
ThePinkestPigglet
I think it's looking for reasons it's ok to use others as a human shield should the need arise.
SFMGifs
Something about survival, as i have seen it. Insecurity makes people lash out.
geiokami
Hurt? It ruins their lives
Ryanator50
exactly. everyone gets hurt.
Fiss
Amen.
byllman
THIS
GoodNewsCigaretteJuice
It's more about the falsely accused, though
MyHumanForm
Now, if only actual rapes got treated as seriously as a false accusation.
DanielleKillrich
there we go
MyHumanForm
Damn, it took you 5 minutes to find me. I should try to hide better next time.
MyHumanForm
DirtRockets
Until SCOTUS' ruling in Coker v. Georgia in 77, it was legal to execute for rape. Tell me about how the US doesn't take rape seriously.
MyHumanForm
Just because that exists, doesn't mean that filing a report for being raped is taken seriously.
DirtRockets
It doesn't exist. Not any more. Can you read? They were overturned in 77 and 08, thank fucking God, as all capital punishment should be.
DirtRockets
Point is, when you have serious consequences -- consequences reserved for one other crime against persons -- you take that shit seriously.
DirtRockets
Keep in mind, that was the *only* crime against another person (ie: not a crime against the state like treason) other than murder for which
DirtRockets
a person could be put to death. Oh, and it took until Kennedy v. Louisiana in 2008 for Coker to apply to rape of a minor. Though do go on.
MyHumanForm
OMG! Laws make everything better! I am so wrong. So sorry that I forgot we live in a world where everybody does everything perfectly.
raidleadergutts
I think you got that the wrong way around, friend.
MyHumanForm
Get raped, go to police, police question if you want to follow through with this as it will hurt his reputation.
MyHumanForm
Get raped, go to police, police ask you what you were wearing, if you knew the rapist, if you were drinking, if you were flirting...
raidleadergutts
How DARE the police question the validity of your claims?!?!
raidleadergutts
Oh wow, with the reach you have, you could slam dunk from half court.
MyHumanForm
Must be nice to have a penis.
MyHumanForm
Do you not even remember the Brock Turner case? Go find HER testimony. See what it is really like.
YepImRobbie
I’m impressed at how concisely this was conveyed.
Beelsebooob
Hopefully she also got put on the sex offenders register for life, as he would have been.
QueensybLilpunk
Omg yes. This should be a thing
Badsequence
Yeah but here in the USA women who do shit like this are rarely ever prosecuted which is total bullshit. They pretty much ruin someone's 1/2
Badsequence
life by making a false accusation which even when they are proven innocent the rape moniker follows them around and is hard to clear 2/3
Badsequence
their name within their local community while the woman who made the false accusation is free to do it again as they don't fear reprisal.
weaselymidget
I think that deliberate false accusations should carry the sentence of the accusation.
quattroformaggix4
Preach.
TheEightfoldPath
Inb4 "but these kinds of punishments discourage real victims of rape".
magichal
Women are discouraged by the idea of being punished for a liar. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't punish liars.
MartianWeasel
Well if shitty people wouldn't lie about a shitty thing, then there wouldn't be a problem for real victims.
DirtRockets
Funny thing is, if shitty people wouldn't lie about shitty things, you'd have nobody lying to themselves that raping such-and-such person
DirtRockets
was an OK thing to do in the first place. We'd have none of this, no rape, no racism, no murder. It's all predicated on self-deception of
DirtRockets
acceptability, the lie we tell ourselves that somehow what we're doing is "OK".
ScaredSpitless
If people weren't shitty in the first place, there wouldn't BE any victims. [some] people are shit.
MartianWeasel
You're absolutely right. But unfortunately, there will always be shitty people. As much as we would like that to change it won't.
MartianWeasel
But someone cashing in on the misfortune of others is as shitty as it gets.
dangerousDoc
Yeah that's why the defendant must provide proof of malicious intent
QueensybLilpunk
They don't
MetroidJunkie
If you were actually raped, you shouldn't have anything to worry about. They're only punished if it's proven they lied.
DirtRockets
Not the case, unfortunately. Women have also been falsely accused of falsely accusing. We're a pretty shit species, overall.
cookiesnatcha
If a rape occured, all the proof is there. Problem is when they wait days months years and then try to report it.
DirtRockets
Yeah, no. Not really. You tell me how to differentiate, forensically, between the DNA of a rape that involved no overt violence, such as
alcaray
That sounds like something someone would say that someone else said. It doesn't sound like something that someone would say, though.
minkuschild
How many men falsely accuse rape?
Outlavv
Haha men that get raped rarely report it, let alone falsely
justino37
Yes, but can you tell me why the first part of that is funny?
minkuschild
Or how I got downvoted for asking a question, when they got upvoted for an answer.......?!?!?!........?!?!?!?!?!?! What the fuck imgur cunts
Thankyouforthis
Lol, as a male victim of rape, I sure can. This little thing called society.
quattroformaggix4
No. The fact that 2 in 1000 rape victims actually receive justice is what discourages them. Also, society.
ImADouchebag
Ah yeah, the society tha makes rape illegal and punishes rape discourages rape victims coming forward. Tell me more?
orginelenaam
Where does that statistic come from? If we actually KNEW they were rape victims, the perpetrator would have been convicted.
orginelenaam
Did some digging, 58% of those charged get convicted in the UK. The mythical "6% gets convicted" is based on attrittion rates.
orginelenaam
Source: http://humanrights.ie/criminal-justice/stern-review-into-the-handling-of-rape-cases-in-the-uk/
DirtRockets
I really hate hyperbole for that reason. It's always some demented, perverted logic.
NotSquanchy
My friend fought this same thing. Luckily her conscious got to her and on his sentencing day she stood up and confessed it was a lie. 1/2
2shy4you
And her name? Albert Einstein!
jfd8u438fdsfkds
the whole courtroom stood and applauded
Ihavewaytoomanyfavoritestosort
So what convinced her not to be evil?
RaynWisp
Satan
nanyatenyaa
She's still evil. Accusing an innocent person of such a serious crime will ruin their life regardless of conviction. She's a piece of shit.
NotSquanchy
He still has no idea. He has never spoken to her since then
AliBarber
Conscience *
eskimowins
*Couscous
jeremizzle
The food so nice they named it twice
NotSquanchy
Oh I’m sorry autocorrect failed me. I’m glad you corrected me. Someone might have not understood what I meant
2shy4you
Even worse? Someone might have propagated false information, the boogeyman of the modern age.
BrokeMyFunnyBone
Wow, your irony is to be applied. Gourd job tear.
ILiveUnderARock
AbsolutelyBarbaric.jpg
Skyhighatrist2
You almost won again, Eskimo.
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AliBarber
Yeah but that's just petty whereas you used a totally wrong word.
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AliBarber
But now all the losers who misread things are downvoting me in return. Nice
AliBarber
If it makes you feel any better, I never downvoted you.
Tcob2031
If she had a conscious in the first place. She would have never made the report.
teddyoctober
If she wasn’t conscious, she could’ve been raped.
Mcdeathcore
Its guilty until proven innocent for men
Winterous
It's not fair, but let's be honest, if you charge someone after they confess to lying, it kind of discourages the truth. Is that worth it?
furlan92
not punishing them means there's no reason not to lie
nanyatenyaa
Saying you did something wrong does not absolve you of having done some thing wrong. She ruined his life, hers should be ruined too.
nanyatenyaa
A rape accusation can rip a family apart and much worse it can totally destroy a person's life. She should be in prison much longer.
Winterous
I know, I absolutely know, but, think of it this way. Is it more important the liar gets punished, or the person lied about is absolved? 1/2
DirtRockets
Both. That is the purpose of the justice system. To segregate, if necessary, a person from society for such a time as they understand the
DirtRockets
consequences of their actions, and, by giving closure to the victim, symbolically making society whole again (that is, justice must not only
nanyatenyaa
They can't be absolved. Friends, family and public will always view them as an accused rapist, a possible rapist.
nanyatenyaa
Doing something horrible to another person then saying you done something horrible doesn't some how repair what was already done.
Winterous
I agree honestly, abusing the justice system, using the law as a weapon to wound someone, is worse than most crimes.
Winterous
As a sort-of-metaphor, if rape is punished more harshly than murder, what incentive is there NOT to kill your victim? 2/2
Icouri
Absolution is best. But trials are public, is part of the problem. The person lied about now has a lifelong negative stigma
DirtRockets
In the US, rape was punishable by death until 1977, and rape of a minor was punishable by death until 2008. So all those people that raped,
tzxAzrael
except that by the time the "victim" confesses it was a lie, damage has already been done that can't be fixed. some people never hear that
SuperDuperSaiyanGuy
I think if they charged the liars it would stop people doing it in the first out of fear that they get caught out, Action - Reaction
Winterous
One would hope. The problem is, punishing them after they drop the case incentivises them to keep lying, but if they crack and tell the 1/2
Winterous
truth then the victim goes free (legally, at least). We want them to tell the truth, because then the innocent is proven so, but if 2/3
Winterous
there's a punishment for their confession, they probably won't confess. Complicated moral dilemma. 3/3
SuperDuperSaiyanGuy
I think theres a fair argument to be made for both sides of this discussion both have pros and cons, Shame this is even a problem :/
Winterous
Yeah, it SUCKS. True justice can only exist in a vaccuum, sometimes you need to offer bad people a plea deal to get somewhere.
DirtRockets
Right. That's why we don't charge confessed murderers. If we did, we'd just solve less murders because nobody would confess! (WTFFFFFFF?)
Winterous
Are you fucking stupid or something? That's not even vaguely close to what I'm saying. What I'm suggesting is the question, what do we 1/2
Winterous
value more: Punishing the liar. Or not convicting someone of a crime that didn't happen. If we punish the liar after that retract their 2/3
DirtRockets
And what I'm doing is providing the answer. It's a stupid question. Confessing mitigates one's liability to society, it doesn't obviate it.
Winterous
You werne't providing an answer, you were just misrepresenting the question.
Winterous
question, just asking the question! 4/4
Winterous
accusation, that potentially means others won't confess in future, meaning innocent people go to jail. I'm not even taking a side on this3/4
NotSquanchy
She got nothing from lying except for it let my friend go free. Our justice system is horse shit.
floorwaffles
So she's an EX-friend now, right?
DirtRockets
The UK is better at prosecuting for perverting the course of justice than many other countries.
pterodactylptime
When you say "friend", we're talking about another person, right? Just checking because we're on Imgur.
NotSquanchy
Yeah definitely a friend not myself. I could not imagine what he went through and still has going on in his head from that
whatsisname
We don't have a justice system. We have a legal system.
D3forc3
damn thats true af
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lizthestarfish
That's probably what she was jailed for.
NotSquanchy
Like I said I don’t know every single detail of what happened after. He doesn’t talk much about it. It led to some really deep depression
raidleadergutts
Most probably not. Law is kind to women.
vaspap
Exactly the same thing happened to one of my friends, I was horrified that nothing happened to her but everyone seemed fine about it.
NotSquanchy
That is really sad and absolutely unacceptable for these things to happen. I hope he or she can move past it at some point
Neogreenyew
It still really hurts his image and chances of getting jobs in the future even if he is found innocent
IProvideFakeContext
One of the big problems is that you're never found "innocent", only "not guilty". If there was a fatal flaw in the prosecution, theres
IProvideFakeContext
no third option to show people just how terribly wrong it was.
Neogreenyew
Yeah and it is super fucked up that there isn't a reversal for a confirmed lie.
SendMeDogs
At first I thought your friend was the lier, but glad I was wrong. Never be friends with anyone who does that
storebrandproductmascot
Going by the Imgur FP, I'd have to guess there are 20 fake rape claims for every real one. What a weird obsession to post about constantly.
MerlinSacrebleu
is justice a weird obsession?
damspam
I always wondered how old people get to be so grumpy. I can see how now. I'm watching imgur age and get angrier over the stupidest shit.
Cheomesh
I don't think Imgur has really "aged". If anything it feels like there's an increasing number of younger kids coming onboard.
raidleadergutts
TIL people talking about false rape accusations = stupidest shit
damspam
No people using false equivalency to generate outrage is stupid shit. False rape accusations are morally wrong, but not a systemic problem
raidleadergutts
the lives of men matter or have ever mattered, right? Women are raped so let's just throw men under the bus. Sounds very logical. 2
raidleadergutts
Says YOU & everyone else who is trying to sweep this very prevalent systemic problem under the rug. But who cares, it's not like 1
damspam
Provide a source that this is a systemic problem.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
The Imgur community will get back around to bashing on transpeople soon, I imagine. Seems to be a circle here.
ThatWillBuffOut
Totally agree.
ifmusicbethefoodofloveplayon
Its also followed by carbon copy comments of "good," "she should be convicted as much as a rapist" and clapping gifs.
Felman
It wasn't always like this. Ages ago imgur was almost exclusively funny shit and awesome stuff. But then fuckers got addicted to anger
Felman
It's easier to make people angry than laugh.
eskimowins
Meh there used to be a lot of emo shit for crytards though which seems to have reduced at least.
FelixG
It was part of the NSFW purge. NSFW releases endorphin that make you happy, and you like more funny stuff. No NSFW=more anger. -shifty eyes-
ChattingAtTheAqua
But... NSFW makes me angry.
zoomer296
Then fix it with more NSFW.
MusicIsJustWigglyAir
As I said to the other guy, we upvote justice.
storebrandproductmascot
Seems like you only upvote one extremely specific kind of justice.
MusicIsJustWigglyAir
You’re right. I support rape and racial hatred. /sarcasm.
anatolel
I know right? As if making a rape claim wasn't traumatic and difficult enough for women. 'False claims' is a dog whistle to MRAs imo.
ItsTorgueToYou
Or maybe a "dog whistle" to those who have been a victim of false accusations, whom you apparently care nothing at all about?
Strasburg6592
Tell that to Brian Banks.
raidleadergutts
I know right? As if men making rape claims were totally taken seriously. Women making rape claims is a dog whistle for feminists imo.
raidleadergutts
Ooh, that triggered a lot of assholes.
Shadehawk
yeah cuz men dont find it difficult to tell people they were raped right? weve got so much support!
raidleadergutts
Lol you triggered all the feminists hell bent on sweeping false rape accusations under the rug. +1 for all its worth.
Kytt
Who the fuck even said that? Jesus you're a self-centered prick.
unpopularreaction
But there also like, "why didn't the women assaulted by Weinstein speak up earlier?!" Bc everyone wants to believe they're lying
ifmusicbethefoodofloveplayon
Defranco talked abt how even tho 50 women stepped forward in the Cosby case, they're still not being taken seriously. Unlike with Weinstein.
XoxSmotpokerxoX
Pretty sure people would of believed their beloved stars.
DukeDarkwood
Which wouldn't be a problem if false accusations were not a "thing". A "collateral damage" dealt by those cases that they don't consider.
eugenialukin
That's just it, though. It isn't a "thing". False reports like this are somewhere between 2%-10% of all cases. Terrible, yes. Common? No.
DukeDarkwood
That even as much as 10% are false is cause for concern, IMO. Can you tell me what the numbers were ten years ago?
eugenialukin
About the same, with some obvious variance, according to a Wikipedia survey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape
eugenialukin
Source: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1077801210387747
eugenialukin
More source: https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-about-false-rape-accusations/
XoxSmotpokerxoX
Those numbers are bullshit. 9 year study at Purdue found %40, Ottawa police found %30
eugenialukin
http://www.davidlisak.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/SARFalseAllegationsofRape.pdf
TheShiftyEyedDog
Why is it that these stories always make FP, but there aren’t a proportional number of stories about rapists getting jailed?
CaldariBob
MRAs control the media!
Cheomesh
Redpill leaks like a sieve.
DiddyDollar
Because this is rarer..
faebala
Yes. Thank you.
MerlinSacrebleu
yeah let's just ignore the 54651 Brock Turner posts. nice selective memory
TheShiftyEyedDog
Bruh that was literally one guy who was obsessively posted about
GeneralPigly
Because muh false rape reports and women lie statistics.
CowardTheCouragelyCat
Chill the fuck out. This post isn't an attack on women.
ImHereToTellYouThatsWrong
No mostly it's the comments.
MusicIsJustWigglyAir
We upvote all justice. Troll.
ruthlessneno101
THANK YOU ????????????
xyrax
Wait what? We literally not long ago had that crying rapist cop on the front page. We celebrated endlessly in the comments. Stop projecting.
MechanusIncarnate
I imagine it's like "cop shoots unarmed man" vs "cop shoots armed robber".
preaction
You know why
DirtRockets
No, you *believe* why. It could just as easily be women who've been victimized outraged that somebody would exploit their suffering for gain
preaction
No, I know why. "since Sep. 2014"
DirtRockets
Right. The length of your pareidolia and assumptive beliefs doesn't alter pareidolia and assumptive beliefs.
preaction
Being on Imgur for 3 years and knowing what parts this community is made up of is pareidolia and assumptive beliefs?
DirtRockets
as it could be whatever ideas of sexism I'm (assuming) you're imagining. And it likely is. Some people likely do believe all rape awareness
DirtRockets
is a witch hunt, some people are genuinely outraged about any injustice, some people may view her as exploitative.
DukeDarkwood
As others said, it's "the norm" and "not worthy" of specific mention. You will find, however, they come down hard on the ones that don't
DukeDarkwood
get jailed. Righteous indignation is in full force then.
MerlinSacrebleu
you're absolutely right. i remember dozens of post about that Brock Turner guy
SDGuitar
Same reason we care more about stories of innocent people falsely convicted than criminals committing crimes. 1/2
storebrandproductmascot
I don't really see anything on the FP about innocent people falsely convicted of other crimes. Just rape.
SDGuitar
Perhaps that is because more people are falsely convicted of rape....
SDGuitar
In all seriousness, you do see the occasional murder conviction overturned,etc. but those are less likely due to requiring evidence.
SDGuitar
Whereas rape convictions have been done purely on the basis of the testimony of one individual (often when the accused is black)
Gunthervonhinten
You do know there is a medical check involved, right?
SDGuitar
Most internet users are innocent of major crimes and thus identify with the person who is in trouble despite doing nothing wrong. 2/3
SDGuitar
We see a person with a ruined life and realize that person could easily be us unless we work to make changes to prevent this. 3/3
Feriority
But we don't see posts just about people getting acquitted. We see posts of the accusers being punished, specifically.
SDGuitar
2/2 who was in jail for years before his accuser came out. AFAIK the accuser wasn't punished and the guy forgave her.
SDGuitar
We see fewer of them sure, but I've seen that one guy on the FP multiple times. Forget the details, he was a black highschool fb player