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mithiwithi
FRIENDisCHUMisBAIT
If your product can be found somewhere else for less, it isn't piracy, it's because you suck at business.
cobacalao
Also Finns:
cobacalao
I'll bet my right testicle that no human trafficer benefits from me streaming illegally anime.
PaleChapter
Is "la taa" the Finnish version of "yarr" or "yo ho ho" or something?
mediumrarechickenstrips
I think they'll find that's exactly how society works
theworldcouldbeflat
Food gets too expensive you steal it.
SkinnerTBD
"copyright collective" sounds like one of those places that buys up copyrights and flags youtube and instagram videos.
thrael
Yes. That is correct.
BloodyDisappointment
I have bookmarks for the streaming services I like and use frequently, but right next to them are bookmarks for streaming pirate sites. Sflix, 123movies, and Blfix. They are practically the same website, but sometimes one works better than the others.
Zedrapazia
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CaptCrobar
There was a great balance with media streaming cost 5.99 a month and people didn't need to pirate anything, it was simpler to just pay the 6 bucks. They got to greedy once again and fucked it up.
Idontneedrealfacts
It aint just the Finns
trinxter
Vote with your feet, and keep your money.
Folsee
I went full pirate when Prime decided that the money I was paying them wasn't enough to not get ads. Never went back.
Wraid
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
In the Beginning, Netflix had every show and 0 ads: piracy almost died out because paying for Netflix was easier. Then Netflix became cable.
DanOrtega
You are all writing this in a sort of bible style, and I like it.
LordHelmetTheThird
Before Netflix becoming cable every content company had to also create their own service and in the process remove their content from Netflix. So now you're paying more for Netflix (as the prices keep going up) but the content catalogue keeps shrinking. And to watch all the shows you used to watch on Netflix, you now have to subscribe to about 10 different streaming services. Of which 6 work with your smart TV, 2 require additional box, and 2 you have to watch on your computer. Good times!
barnwolf
There were also like two or three major strikes over how much actors and writers were paid for streaming.
huffnpuff72
I think there's room for a model where you are subscribed to a service for $0 and you can opt to pay for shows you stream. I don't want 7 $14 monthly subscriptions for 1 show on each service. But id likely pay around $20 for a TV series or $10 for a movie. Or how about $2 for episode one, then $18 for the rest of it so I can decide wether its good enough.
slipmagt
Noogys
so long as it is more convenient than streaming the jolly roger shall fly
Clayman8
Thats exactly how society works. They just forgot that when they started being able to whipe their asses with dollar bills.
Its fine, we're all here to remind them.
Turkleturts
Once a month I go to the websites of a handful of streaming services to see what is available. Then I type that into one of the many pirating sites and get the whole season. When you need at least half a dozen services to watch the shows you like, at $10-15 a month each, it gets too expensive to bother.
The only sub service I have is Amazon, but only because it comes free with Prime and I order enough that it's worth the free shipping. The streaming service is just a bonus.
williamvanauger
Piracy is always and has always been a supply issue. Provide a better service than the pirates.
Totallycasual
I know a certain Aussie that went back to the high seas too (Netflix doubled the cost of their subscription overnight and tried to add advertising).
ExtremeAndViolentButtFun
Insert Mike Ehrmentraut "we had a good thing going" gif.
W92Baj
Just got an email today saying netflix going up 20%. Bye!
GirdleTurtle
Supply vs demand. It works both ways: If you don’t supply goods at the right price point, demand will drop.
Note 1: Also, pirating is inconvenient. If your service and price point are good, ppl would rather pay than resort to it.
Note 2: you haven’t lost sales to piracy. More eyes = more word of mouth = free advertising. You supply a luxury not necessity. Even if ppl stop pirating they won’t come back to pay b/c the price vs benefit is not good for them. Just make it affordable & convenient.
SneakorsMcSneakorsface
But won't you think of the shareholders.
studog2010
I absolutely agree on all points. Recall this: https://imgur.com/that-is-why-we-pirate-movies-2jawG3W
SaintSleepyWeasel
Note 1 always got me. I don't WANT to pirate something. There are so many risks in that world like viruses and hackers. I'm not literate on piracy software. Im only going to pirate what doesn't have the value they tell me it does. If your product isn't good enough, that's your fault as a company. Maybe if they stopped caring about making obscene amounts of money with nothing of real value...
I want to watch new anime all the time, but I'm not paying a whole 5th-6th membership fee.
Shaodyn
Streaming services seem to have forgotten that their entire business model is being more convenient than piracy.
Bobothehobomcjojo
If the service you're providing is worse than piracy, more people are going to pirate. Remember when Netflix started making the rounds before the streaming wars and Pirate Bay users dropped? I do, maybe we should go back to that instead of making the services even worse with anti-piracy measures.
mithiwithi
https://yle.fi/a/74-20061429
The ""No vittu yhyy." kommentoi asiantuntija" is not in the original article, but is still pretty funny.
WilliamHuskerAdama
Knowing some Finnish, the "No vittu yhyy" is just
dasklaus
Can you elaborate? DeepL gives me wildly diverging translations depending on which language I translate to. I can tell it's vulgar and "well boo fucking hoo" is probably conveying the message properly but I'd like to know how it's originally phrased.
iraslak
You mean as in pronounciation? Or just translation? Because boo-fucking-hoo is solid
dasklaus
I like learning about grammar and idioms in other languages, so yeah, I'd be most interested in literal translation/explanation.
WilliamHuskerAdama
For me it's just knowing how/when Finns use vittu, I can hear my friends say this in my head
iraslak
Then your go-to "no vittu yhyy" goes "well fucking boohoo" in literal
Fyreworx
They turned streaming back into legacy cable TV and charge through the nose for dog shit content. Of course people are going to start just pirating again and i 100% support this.
SideBoobsWillGetYouBanned
Plex media server. First add sonarr and radarr. Then overserr, and bazarr. It takes a bit of time to set up, but you won't regret it. Make sure to set the filters to only get x265 files and it won't take much space at all. Or so I've heard
ballsoutflyer
They sure did. I spotted the trend towards cable tv boogaloo years ago. Got told I was an idiot; it wasn't true; etc etc. Cancelled my Netflix account before it was cool. While everyone was bitching, I was torrenting and buying blurays.
Now, I have over a hundred blurays and many more media files.
bunnylizard
Literally just got an ad/"offer" upon opening the youtube app that said, "We've redesigned cable" or something similar, in an attempt to get me to sign up for the youtube live TV subscription. That's a no from me dawg.
DarkZalgo
Idk what the prices are like in Finland but it's absolutely still significantly cheaper than cable for me. With the added benefit of no ads and everything on demand.
Trustrup
The problem isn’t just prices, it’s what’s available, due to who holds rights for things in each area, the amount of content available on each streaming service is limited significantly from countries like UK, Canada, or Netflix. So imagine paying almost $200 a year for Disney+, and not getting half of Disneys content, and the same for Netflix, Max, and Prime, on top of that is all the local streaming services with locally owned content, which are even more expensive, and less content.
DocBenny
precisely. the few shows I want to watch are spread across five different streaming services, or not available in my country. i just keep Netflix around for convenience and pirate the rest
RatsLiveOnNoEvilStar
The good thing about streaming services is that you don’t need all those services all the time. Unless you’ve signed up for some multi-month deal, you can just turn them on and off as you want from month to month. Let your shows build up and binge them.
You couldn’t a la carte cable like that.
Trustrup
But that is not convenient, pirating shit has never been easier, yes there is some minor setup with Kodi/Plex, maybe use et if you go that way, and everything is just there, always.
DarkZalgo
And with cable I'd be paying double what I pay now for five different streaming services and still wouldn't be able to watch the shows I want unless I happen to have free time only when the specific episode I want to watch is on.
Trustrup
But it’s not Cable vs. Streaming, it’s Streaming vs. Pirating.
Jarjarthejedi
Which service are you using? Because only a handful are "no ads" anymore...and those aren't gonna be that way for long...
DarkZalgo
Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, Discovery+, peacock, Max all have no ads for the plans I have. And all together still cheaper than cable.
ThatKidWhoYoyos
Dropout? It's a smaller scale, almost independent streaming service, whole culture behind them and it's refreshing.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
We have Disney and Netflix.... Still insanely cheaper than cable ever was with more content, on demand and no adds.
Its slowly getting worse on all fronts though...
MySushi
Disney has no ads? Since when? It is a craptastic service I wonder is worth paying a dime for. Tubi is free, legal and sports about the same length of ads as Disney
DarkZalgo
Did you really not know that streaming services have multiple plans? I don't think there's a single one that exists that doesn't have an ad-free plan.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
No adds on Disney+... Not sure what you have been watching.
JadeNB1729
I just recently got the updated ToS for my Hulu subscription which specifies that a plan whose name is "no ads" doesn't mean that they will show no ads. Just in case you think that you can get decent service by paying for it.
slinkydust
I believe that's owned by Disney who did the exact same email for Disney+. Also they're showing Hulu content in Disney+ and trying to upsell you.
bunnylizard
I recommend getting at minimum two different ad blocker extensions and trying the cheaper Hulu plan with ads. I've literally never seen an ad and I have that plan. Fuck wasting money on the "ad-feee" tier. Now I've got the annual plan to save even more, and signed up right before the price hike in October too. Works for both Firefox and even Chrome, surprisingly!
JadeNB1729
What do you use in Firefox? Firefox of course has the better ad-blocking ecosystem (though they've got that recent weird change in ToS that gives them way too many rights to use your data), so there are lots of options, but, whatever I tried, videos just wouldn't play, or stopped when they hit the first ad break. Chrome with uBO plays, although I assume that'll go away with the enforced registry-ignoring "upgrade" to V3.
INeverReadTheTOS
“This is not how society works,” lmao, yes it is. When the ruling class gets a bit too exploit-y, the masses start getting crime-y.
kheftel
This^
emu314159127001
You've proven it's EXACTLY how they work. Started with Netflix having most of the stuff you wanted to watch, because why not, no one else had a service, and most people still used cable. But cable sucks, you just flip channels, and there's still ads. But now everything has its own service, and you can't get network over the air because of the great digital tv scam. Better hope you live right by the transmitter or you get ion and qvc
DonL9
Sometimes they get stabby and shooty, too.
Imetz123
👌 Perfect username for this comment @INeverReadTheTOS
notmyrealface
Not their society. There are reasons these countries are happier than the rest. They hold corruption accountable.
jetact12
Uh, that's Crimey-whimey
Helixninja333
It's not even crimey imo, if buying isn't ownership, piracy isn't theft.
Madara1389
People can recite this rhetoric all day long, but according to actual laws, yes, it is theft and it is a crime. Thinking it shouldn't be (and I agree that it shouldn't) doesn't change the law until you convince your local government to change those laws.
LeMegachonk
You should actually look up some criminal statutes. You will find that theft almost always requires taking property without the owner's consent and depriving the owner their lawful use of said property. Intellectual property crimes fall into a whole other category of crime completely unrelated to theft statutes. In some places, IP violations aren't even criminal, but rather fall under civil law (where the aggrieved party has to take on the burden of suing for redress).
Madara1389
What we have here is a classic case of arguing semantics and ignoring that it doesn't matter if it fits the traditional definitions of theft. Laws were passed declaring that it's theft. That's the end of it.
LeMegachonk
Laws were passed making copyright infringement illegal, at least in some places (it still isn't illegal in some countries). There are also laws making punching people in the face illegal. That doesn't make assault theft. Copyright infringement isn't considered theft because nothing is actually being taken from anybody. You pretending that it's the same as theft because both are illegal and claiming "that's the end of it" doesn't make it so.
EternallyIgnorant
People can claim anything they want is a crime. Its a crime to be a Jew, its a crime to drink out of that drinking fountain, its a crime to stop that soldier from raping your wife.
Madara1389
Your absurd examples aside, if lawmakers declare something a crime, it becomes a crime... Yes. Do you not realize that all crimes are things that lawmakers have decided shouldn't be allowed in society? Crime is just "breaking the rules we made up."
GreenMnM
If you read the laws and actually understand them, pirating (downloading) something actually isn't illegal. Sharing them is. So technically you downloading your favorite por.... movie isn't a crime. Allowing others to download from you is the actual crime.
Madara1389
That's not actually true. The DMCA explicitly forbids copying the files from an unathorized source (aka downloading them) as well.
Frederf
DMCA explicitly allows copying for maintenance purposes
agonarch
That's a US law, it doesn't apply to everyone.
Hell given recent events I'm not sure if US laws apply to anyone unless they feel like it.
BythepowerofPlank
we all pirated so much they started streaming services, and we are not beyond dusting off utorrent again :D
SwedishGuyYesIDoHaveLongBlondHairWhy
Real Debrid and Fen Light or Umbrella! I run it on Kodi, but I've heard that Stremio is better
hotrodny
U mean qbittorrent
Isthe4thtimethecharm
I have never let go of my private torrent site.
Daealis
Utorrent has ads, qbittorrent is open source, free and with plug-ins for search.
Prettyasknives
True! Back on the ship time, though it's so hard to find non sketchy sites now a days. Though if anyone has some favorites that are safe id love to hear them!
BuiltonSin
Few people use torrent search engines, instead using jackett or prowlarr to search for them. This can be done inside qbittorrent or automated via sonarr. I did find setup for automation frustrating, however after about a month it became very useful. !!!!!WARNING!!!!! With automation it is liable to download viruses that are easy to spot manually suck as: episode.mkv.lnk, etc
lrateyourrig
Utorrent if you keep below 25-30 torrents. It samtarts to fall apart around 50. Qbuttorrent is better in most ways
coffeeandprozac
You haven't already? Set up yourself a Jellyfin server. DIY netflix for free. *mask your network usage to avoid internet provider tantrums.
sombercitizens
PaperinoVB
Uhhh... Jellyfin + Jelllyseer are your friends. Not easy to setup, AFAIK, but very very good.
Cindex1337
Jellyfin was a breeze to set up. Just a regular installer for windows and you're good to go.
I didn't really know about jellyseerr. Is it for your users to request media or does it actually download it for you?
billstranger
I dunno jellyseer? But jellyfin is like 1 click to set up, and the client app is available for most devices (i use it daily on my 10 year old Roku 3)
ballsoutflyer
I've been using Deluge for my uses. Simple, straightforward, and quick. It does its job extremely well.
StarmineRendezvous
What are the benefits over the other torrents? Can't think of much room for improvement functionally.
Cindex1337
Jellyfin is basically just an interface, so it acts more like your own personal Netflix. I just download torrents right into the folders Jellyfin uses and it automatically adds cover art and other details. It's just nicer to browse through imo.
BythepowerofPlank
Do you have something easier to set up?
Iwouldbenick
Proton vpn. Transmission. Tor browser. Plex server. All very simple. Ill be happy to help if anyone needs it!
jedipigeon
Get Kodi. Get a VPN. Then install add-ons for it (you can find many via a simple search). It looks complicated but it’s very simple if you just follow some step-by-step instructions.
jedipigeon
Just to clarify, I mean a search on a web browser for “best kodi add-ons”, not a search within Kodi itself
Forensickle
Plex is the way to go for that. A basic "every single streamer" Netflix replacement media server can be setup in minutes. Torrents and newsgroups still the way to go, but best to find private trackers
ballsoutflyer
How do you find these private trackers? IRC?